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[bas_kon]

FoxHound109 wrote...
No, he was a safe choice. I don't care what Recon Team says; if you honestly believe his argument was about character integrity, then you're completely missing the obvious problem. Kaidan is the safe choice because he can be dead, and the one game where you are FORCED to deal with him (Mass Effect 1) never shows his bisexuality. So basically, if I'm a homophobe and don't want any "gay" in my game I can easily pretend that Kaidan is straight, kill him off in ME, and then carry on with the game as if I'm right. He's not a truly bisexual character: he is optionally bisexual. If Cortez is anything like Kelly, then I'm pretty sure you can avoid him altogether.

But I don't care what they see in their games neither should you, but they will have to deal with a gay character and FORCED to be ok with him being so.
As for Kaidan in ME1, well what's done is done now, there's no coming back. They didn't give Shepard the chance to save him on Eden Prime, or tell him how he felt, in the first place. Kaidan himself, says to Shepard he needs a strong person by his side, so Eden Prime moment might have triggered his feelings for fem!shep.
And don't worry about Steve, he's fisically very atractive (there's some pictures over here) and I'm pretty anti cc made NPC LIs, and his plot is very good, I'm ab****ely play a Shep for him.

@Luca Stern: You could use gibbed before importing and have him alive. That's what I i to kill Kaidan w I thought he was gonna be straight. 

[Eternal Dust]

What I'm very confused about ATM is the claim that Ash doesn't even have any sort of conversation with FemShep AT ALL. What ever happened to the assurance that there were friendship paths?!

Modifié par Eternal Dust, 01 mars 2012 - 09:16 .

[FoxHound109]

Carfax wrote...

How many gays and lesbians do you think play Mass Effect?  Not many to be sure.  If gays/bisexuals are 4% of the general population as surveys state, then it's conceivable that at most 2% of the people that bought these games are gay/bisexual, but probably much less than 2%..

The overwhelming majority of Bioware's consumers are heterosexual men, and it's a good business practice to cater the most to your largest consumer base.

Gays and lesbians should be thankful they are getting this much if you ask me.

No, I don't have to be thankful for anything. At all. They're creating a product, I am consumer, and I am dysatisfied. It's a pretty simple thing to guage.

Wait a sec, so your magical gaydar didn't detect the gayness oozing off of Kaidan?  How is that possible?! 
According to many in this thread, Kaidan is as gay as they come!

Cool! I don't see how that relates to me in the slightest, but thanks for pointing that out to passive-aggressively attack other posters in this thread!

Modifié par FoxHound109, 01 mars 2012 - 09:15 .

[Collider]

Can I just say how funny it sounds to kill Kaidan because he might be straight?

[jlb524]

Eternal Dust wrote...
What I'm very confused about ATM is the claim that Ash doesn't even have any sort of conversation with FemShep AT ALL. What ever happened to the assurance that there were friendship paths?!

Wait wut?

I hope that's not true.  

*sigh*

I hated that about ME2.

[Espurr]

Eternal Dust wrote...

What I'm very confused about ATM is the claim that Ash doesn't even have any sort of conversation with FemShep AT ALL. What ever happened to the assurance that there were friendship paths?!

Yeah I'm a little confused by hearing that we barely get any sort of conversation with her (I think they said there was ONE conversation post recruitment and thats it).

If I can't romance her, why can't she at least be my bro?

[Ryzaki]

Collider wrote...

Can I just say how funny it sounds to kill Kaidan because he might be straight?

It's an amusing reversal I'll give it that.

[Maugrim]

jlb524 wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...
TBH they wouldn't be hugely different I think, mostly it would be in the overtones in the ones like Kelly and Samtha the stripper  bits and the shower scene might be differnt.  It's hard to find anything wrong with something in isolation but string many incidents toghther and you suspect things are not what they seem.  And no I don't think Ash would've been inherently for the gay/bi community I don't like not having her but that's not the issue here.  And again TBH I wouldn't be complaining most likely because I would've got what I wanted and damn the rest, I am only human!

So it comes down to the 'sexy' thing?

I just worry about going down the 'lesbian's don't like sex/sexy stuff' road.  Though, I get were you are coming from.

I'd be troubled if the f/f romances were nothing but 'the sexy stuff'.

That's a legitimate concern, because I do like the sexy stuff, I like Kelly and Liara and I'll probably like the shower scene.  But that's not the same as not liking the implications, it just one area where I though the flavor of the scene might play differently or it might not.  Unfortunately lesbian depictions tend to fall into two areas overly sexualized for the male gaze and no sexulization at all (lesbian moms etc).  Some middle ground might be nice!  And maybe we will get it in this Samantha romance as I've said my info is second hand on it.

ETA:

Eternal Dust wrote...

What I'm very confused about ATM is the claim that Ash doesn't even have any sort of conversation with FemShep AT ALL. What ever happened to the assurance that there were friendship paths?!

Also this.  If I can't romance her I want a strong commrade in arms and/or sisterly like vibe!

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 01 mars 2012 - 09:19 .

[Eternal Dust]

jlb524 wrote...
So it comes down to the 'sexy' thing?

I just worry about going down the 'lesbian's don't like sex/sexy stuff' road. Though, I get were you are coming from.

I'd be troubled if the f/f romances were nothing but 'the sexy stuff'.

No I VERY much like teh sexy. What I don't like is how it's a big neon sign and becomes the sole foundation of the relationship. That is, [insert F/F relationship] only exists because they are two sexy women being sexy together.

[Carfax]

ToastPants wrote...

I think the argument is mostly coming up in this context because some people (not all, just a few) are trying to say that we're just being whiners by being unhappy that Ashley isn't available.

You are a bunch of whiners.  The F/F content in these games was aimed at heterosexual men, not gay/bisexual women.  It's purely by coincidence that you are getting anything at all..

Gay/bisexual women are amongst the smallest of all the minorities that play Mass Effect, next to transgendered and transsexuals (yeah there's a handful of them on these forums), yet there is quite a bit of F/F content nonetheless. 

Gay and bisexual men are more justified in whining, because even though more gay/bisexual men will play these games than gay/bisexual women, they got the least amount of S/S content.

[Collider]

Eternal Dust wrote...

What I'm very confused about ATM is the claim that Ash doesn't even have any sort of conversation with FemShep AT ALL. What ever happened to the assurance that there were friendship paths?!

There's 3 conversations total - but only one after recruitment.
That's the exact number male Shepard had with Kaidan in ME1.
Though, I must say that the one conversation female Shepard has with Ashley doesn't necessarily make Ashley look good.

Modifié par Collider, 01 mars 2012 - 09:17 .

[LoveAsThouWilt]

FoxHound109 wrote...

Hawke has always been a superior character to Shepard in every way. This is just the final straw on the camel's back which proves it for me. His/her personality has always been more interesting, more developed, and STILL full of more options for the player. DA II fails in a lot of respects, but the game still manages to create some magical situations that Mass Effect as a series has been missing. Keep in mind that ME is my favorite series this generation, so there you go...

Favorite just the same, and I agree with DA2 (sent you a message). But I still prefer Shepard as a character over all, thats where our agreements change lol perhaps its just the face, or the voice... Either why thats my thoughts.

I can't wait till I can get some good artists and programmers together for my own idea. (terrified of learning to program and art skills are seriously lacking lol)

[Eternal Dust]

Collider wrote...

Eternal Dust wrote...

What I'm very confused about ATM is the claim that Ash doesn't even have any sort of conversation with FemShep AT ALL. What ever happened to the assurance that there were friendship paths?!

There's 3 conversations total - but only one after recruitment.
That's the exact number male Shepard had with Kaidan in ME1.
Though, I must say that the one conversation female Shepard has with Ashley doesn't necessarily make Ashley look good.

This day just keeps getting better doesnt it? Could you PM me the details about that conversation between FemShep and Ashley?

[wisperhill]

I think the everybody "bi" option is better (like DA2). There sexuality ist stated, they are, how the gamer it wants it to be.

[LukaCrosszeria]

Now now, children. I'm going to take away your cookies if you don't stop attacking each other and spoiling the endings.

ToastPants wrote...
Aaah same. I miss my Hawke.

Me too...bit.ly/zukN6J and bit.ly/yCR7Gp 

Tbh, I prefer throw-against-the-wall by angsty porcupine over deep meaningful conversations, like with Cortez. Not that I'm not pleased he's in the game.

Modifié par LukaCrosszeria, 01 mars 2012 - 09:22 .

[jef379]

FoxHound109 wrote...

*Sigh* This is why, hate it all you want, I enjoyed DA II so much more than ME 2. Hawke felt "mine" because I had choices, many of them, right down to whom he chose to share his love with. It was the first time I ever played a video game and felt like I was playing a gay hero. Shepard will never feel quite as "mine" as Hawke does. It's a shame.

This.
People can whine about all Bi LIs all they want, but the fact is that it made the game incredibly better. Thinking only O/S options would have made the game better is foolish, no matter how you look at it. O/S options are not better because they are only geared towards one gender, the only thing that would have changed is "You are such a wonderful person Hawke" would have become "You are such a wonderful man/woman Hawke". If this changes your opinion on a romance radically, the romance is not the real problem. I don't get all the hate on Anders because he hit on you either. People hit on other people. It happens. You claim it not to be realistic when everyone is Bi, yet you whine when a realistic situation where you're very nice to a vulnerable guy and he hits on you arises ? And in a game where you can blow up, actually, scrap that, disintegrate, a building with urine crystals and stone, realism is not really a concern.
I enjoyed DA II even if it forced some stuff upon you (I'm looking at you Anders), because they were justified by the story and the characters. No matter if you were friends or rivals with Anders, you only strenghtened his idea. It was really obvious something would happen when you think about it. Anyway that's not what this thread is about.

Whoa, sorry for the wall/rant/whatever 

[SolidBeast]

Ricvenart wrote...

@Solid: You okay? Seem ready to blow.

Why do you think so?

[AmuHav]

@ toastpants i thought we were all getting til *someone* told you to suck it ><

To clarify, ive never been a huge fan of Ash, but i still feel for her fans. Like the most of us im sure

On another note, keeping up with these forums on a mobile is ridiculous xD

[Maugrim]

I think a lot of this comes down to the fact that if someone is a romance and your character can't romance them then there is nothing else to do with them. Friendships are important and relationships steal all the limelight. There is this truly great conversation with Jacob on the romance path that my Shepard's will never see despite them supposedly being friends.

[Espurr]

Eternal Dust wrote...

Collider wrote...

Eternal Dust wrote...

What I'm very confused about ATM is the claim that Ash doesn't even have any sort of conversation with FemShep AT ALL. What ever happened to the assurance that there were friendship paths?!

There's 3 conversations total - but only one after recruitment.
That's the exact number male Shepard had with Kaidan in ME1.
Though, I must say that the one conversation female Shepard has with Ashley doesn't necessarily make Ashley look good.

This day just keeps getting better doesnt it? Could you PM me the details about that conversation between FemShep and Ashley?

also requesting a pm if thats alright

[BlankPage]

IsaacShep will not be pleased at all! We're way off of schedule! Today was supposed to be doubt, leaving a nice jump to doom n' gloom! But, no! All I see is happiness, over enthusiasm, and a little anger..

Why make a schedule if we're not going to follow it? I'll start: "Man I'm getting this sinking feeling about Kaidan."

[FoxHound109]

jef379 wrote...

FoxHound109 wrote...

*Sigh* This is why, hate it all you want, I enjoyed DA II so much more than ME 2. Hawke felt "mine" because I had choices, many of them, right down to whom he chose to share his love with. It was the first time I ever played a video game and felt like I was playing a gay hero. Shepard will never feel quite as "mine" as Hawke does. It's a shame.

This.
People can whine about all Bi LIs all they want, but the fact is that it made the game incredibly better. Thinking only O/S options would have made the game better is foolish, no matter how you look at it. O/S options are not better because they are only geared towards one gender, the only thing that would have changed is "You are such a wonderful person Hawke" would have become "You are such a wonderful man/woman Hawke". If this changes your opinion on a romance radically, the romance is not the real problem. I don't get all the hate on Anders because he hit on you either. People hit on other people. It happens. You claim it not to be realistic when everyone is Bi, yet you whine when a realistic situation where you're very nice to a vulnerable guy and he hits on you arises ? And in a game where you can blow up, actually, scrap that, disintegrate, a building with urine crystals and stone, realism is not really a concern.
I enjoyed DA II even if it forced some stuff upon you (I'm looking at you Anders), because they were justified by the story and the characters. No matter if you were friends or rivals with Anders, you only strenghtened his idea. It was really obvious something would happen when you think about it. Anyway that's not what this thread is about.

Whoa, sorry for the wall/rant/whatever 

[Halarid]

Carfax wrote...

 If gays/bisexuals are 4% of the general population as surveys state

  

This is misinformation. A lot of people are still reluctant to say they're gay or bisexuals in surveys.. because they're not out (yet) and are afraid someone will find out.
Bisexuals are even less likely to say they're bisexuals because they can simply pretend they're straight (after all, they are attracted to the opposite sex).

For example, a survey says that 19,3% of the male population in Rio de Janeiro is gay or bisexual. That's a city of  12 millions inhabitants in the metro area.
Incidentally, gay pride parades in Brazil are the largest in the world.

http://en.wikipedia....eople_in_Brazil

[bigbrowncows]

I have to say, the more I watch that new Shep/Steve video and the more I hear and see about Samantha, I think they are the real victories in all of this. They seem like such great, sexually secure characters. I'm glad we've got Kaidan but I feel so bad for those who wanted Ash. I know I'd be livid if it was the opposite so thank you ladies for your grace and good humour. Hopefully Sam will be as great as she's shaping up to be! X

[shepskisaac]

Off topic and all but lol @ Xtina in that gif xD