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[Ravensword]

Tietj wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Eternal Dust wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

I'm still upset that THIS is how they decide to make the VS different people.. it could have been given them both unique dialoge throughout the game, but no, it had to be this. meh.

I'm a little out of the loop. What's the deal w/ the VS now?

Kaidan's bi but Ash is not.

Well, that's not quite fair now, is it?

Don't get me wrong, I'm sad for those who wanted s/s Ashley, but it's not really fair or unfair.  They're different people.  And lesbian Shepard still has more options than gay Shepard.  But still, it sucks for those who wanted it

Well, I guess more people wanted an s/s romance w/ Kaidan than w/ Ashley. Plus, maybe they didn't want to make a character that identifies as being Christian available to a s/s Shepard. Makes sense, as there are absolutely no people who are both openly gay and religious in the real world. I'm glad BW didn't try to ruin my verisimilitude.

Modifié par Ravensword, 02 mars 2012 - 06:40 .

[Eternal Dust]

ToastPants wrote...

Eternal Dust wrote...

ToastPants wrote...

Eternal Dust wrote...

Speaking of Hawke. Yes, I think I'll go perform some Blood Magic right now, summoning abominations and such; cutting wrists and dancing naked in the moonlight...

I'll bring the sacrifice!

No live animals, but I've got a frozen ham. Will that work?

Er...we may have to dress it up a bit, add a snout, and pour some ketchup for the blood.

I'd bring my dog, but he's too cute and pathetic to make a good sacrifice.

Though I'm sure my GF would volunteer the cat (who she is convinced is the antichrist).

Evil cats are perfect!

[Isaidlunch]

Tietj wrote...

What dialogue are you talking about that you're taking out of context?  And what about Kaidan?  Vega is not m/m

Cortez romance spoilers
The "tonight would be even better" bit implies that the sex scene happens the night of the dancing/club scene and the "tomorrow we might all be dead" implies it's right before the end of the game, which fits perfectly with the dialogue in the sex scene which is for sure right before the end. So either I'm taking it out of context or they go straight from flirting to sex within a few hours with nothing more to the romance.

As for Kaidan, I think his romance is great but I'm not too fond of his character and I don't feel like retconning my Virmire decision just for him. I won't complain about lack of options or anything, though I wish they had done the Cortez romance differently. Beggars can't be choosers I suppose.

Modifié par Kazanth, 02 mars 2012 - 06:43 .

[Espurr]

Eternal Dust wrote...

ToastPants wrote...

Eternal Dust wrote...

ToastPants wrote...

Eternal Dust wrote...

Speaking of Hawke. Yes, I think I'll go perform some Blood Magic right now, summoning abominations and such; cutting wrists and dancing naked in the moonlight...

I'll bring the sacrifice!

No live animals, but I've got a frozen ham. Will that work?

Er...we may have to dress it up a bit, add a snout, and pour some ketchup for the blood.

I'd bring my dog, but he's too cute and pathetic to make a good sacrifice.

Though I'm sure my GF would volunteer the cat (who she is convinced is the antichrist).

Evil cats are perfect!

She will make an excellent sacrifice! Sorry, Holly, I need to summon some demons.

(she's glaring at me from across the room).

[Tietj]

Kazanth wrote...

some spoilers I don't know how to hide...

As for Kaidan, I think his romance is great but I'm not too fond of his character and I don't feel like retconning my Virmire decision just for him. I won't complain about lack of options or anything, though I wish they had done the Cortez romance differently. Beggars can't be choosers I suppose.

You're taking it out of context.  The club scene is the beginning of their relationship; they probably had sex that night.  The second part of the video takes place much later, but certainly isn't the first time they've had sex.  They're already in an established relationship at that point.

Modifié par Tietj, 02 mars 2012 - 06:45 .

[Eternal Dust]

ToastPants wrote...

Eternal Dust wrote...

ToastPants wrote...

Eternal Dust wrote...

ToastPants wrote...

Eternal Dust wrote...

Speaking of Hawke. Yes, I think I'll go perform some Blood Magic right now, summoning abominations and such; cutting wrists and dancing naked in the moonlight...

I'll bring the sacrifice!

No live animals, but I've got a frozen ham. Will that work?

Er...we may have to dress it up a bit, add a snout, and pour some ketchup for the blood.

I'd bring my dog, but he's too cute and pathetic to make a good sacrifice.

Though I'm sure my GF would volunteer the cat (who she is convinced is the antichrist).

Evil cats are perfect!

She will make an excellent sacrifice! Sorry, Holly, I need to summon some demons.

(she's glaring at me from across the room).

Tell her it's for the greater good.

[ElitePinecone]

Ravensword wrote...
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*bangs head against wall*

Ashley isn't Christian. She never says that.

Not aimed at your post specifically, but I've seen this a lot and it's infuriating. 

Belief in a monotheistic deity and an afterlife are not exclusive to Christianity, or any organised religion. 

[Arik7]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Ravensword wrote...
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*bangs head against wall*

Ashley isn't Christian. She never says that.

Not aimed at your post specifically, but I've seen this a lot and it's infuriating. 

Belief in a monotheistic deity and an afterlife are not exclusive to Christianity, or any organised religion. 

Her religion is (intentionally?) never mentioned.  But considering Ashley's Anglo-Saxon name, she is strongly implied to be a Christian, "All American" girl.

Modifié par Arik7, 02 mars 2012 - 06:54 .

[Ravensword]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Ravensword wrote...
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*bangs head against wall*

Ashley isn't Christian. She never says that.

Not aimed at your post specifically, but I've seen this a lot and it's infuriating. 

Belief in a monotheistic deity and an afterlife are not exclusive to Christianity, or any organised religion. 

True, but she is religious or at least spiritual, and one can infer that the reason they didn't make Ash bi so as not to offend any conservative religious people here.

[Revan312]

Arik7 wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

Ravensword wrote...
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*bangs head against wall*

Ashley isn't Christian. She never says that.

Not aimed at your post specifically, but I've seen this a lot and it's infuriating. 

Belief in a monotheistic deity and an afterlife are not exclusive to Christianity, or any organised religion. 

Her religion is (intentionally?) never mentioned.  But considering Ashley's Anglo-Saxon name, she is strongly implied to be a Christian, "All American" girl.

Pretty much. If it's not explicitly stated otherwise, then one can assume she's christian as the majority of gamers who play the game live in predomidently christian nations.

Whatever one has the most exposure to will ultimately be the assumption they jump to concerning something not stated otherwise. So, we guess that she's christian.

[ElitePinecone]

Arik7 wrote...
Her religion is (intentionally?) never mentioned.  But considering Ashley's Anglo-Saxon name, she is strongly implied to be a Christian, "All American" girl.

Implications, no.

Perceptions, yes. 

Right up until someone from Bioware mentions Ashley's Christianity or we see it in-game, she can't be called Christian. 

[Knightly_BW]

crayonsun wrote...

Asperius wrote...

I beat that genie. He couldn't guess Sky.

Whaddaya know, you're right. Although Sky is on the list of known characters it offers afterwards, I dunno why it can't guess it (is it because Sky is fantasy-kinda-but-not-really-Chinese? Kept offering me Chinese characters)

Uh, have MShep/Kaidan by I-wish-I-knew-who for on-topicness! (If it works...)

Maybe it is because I introduced him to genie?

Also added Flash Thompson. That genie not familiar with hot guys it seems. Tho' he guessed Valen Shadowbreath.

[corky_g]

Village Idiot wrote...
*snip*...So I really hope I don't offend.  
*snip*...And sorry, I want on a bit of a rant.  I hope that answers your question. 

After rereading my post, I actually realized I might have been offending. But really, I was just curious and wanted to gain some insight, so thank you very much for your response. And don't worry, I don't post often because they all seem to end up as rants

So it`s the intent that really bothers you the most, and not the way in which anything was handled in-game. For example, I brought up the shower scene because so far, I`ve only seen negative comments about that (`typical male fantasy`or whatever), but personnally that sounds like it could be great. I guess I was more wondering if you had any suggestions on how to make f/f better. Because, I love BW too, but there are still decisions on their part that ****** me off, so I know how you feel.

And let`s face it, if they had originally designed Liara with a lesbian audience in mind, even if they made a genuine effort, Liara would still probably be wearing Doc Martin`s, a flannel shirt, and a trucker hat. I'm exaggerating, of course, but I would like to point out how things have improved on BW's end

[ElitePinecone]

Perhaps it's a reflection of how disillusioned some are with anything Bioware does that even good-faith things like providing an exclusively lesbian option is dismissed as pandering to straight males. Or the tens (hundreds?) of hours of work required to put in Diana, Sam, Steve and Kaidan's s/s romances (as well as Liara and Kelly in ME/ME2) are apparently not done with good intentions, or can't make up for two games' worth of absence.

I think that's an ungracious attitude to have, myself, particularly when there's no obligation on Bioware's part to do any s/s at all.

[LukaCrosszeria]

jlb524 wrote...

Hey, the missing Legacy party banters were patched in today so that's not a bad idea.

See that high res picture of Kaidan is exactly why I wanted him for MShep since the start. If you don't care about the man, then don't look at him like that.

I skimmed the last 20 pages hoping I wouldn't see a post from Chris telling us we've been trolled again. Hasn't happened yet, so let's hope this time we're on the right track.

[Zandilar]

Revan312 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

Ravensword wrote...
snip

*bangs head against wall*

Ashley isn't Christian. She never says that.

Not aimed at your post specifically, but I've seen this a lot and it's infuriating. 

Belief in a monotheistic deity and an afterlife are not exclusive to Christianity, or any organised religion. 

Her religion is (intentionally?) never mentioned.  But considering Ashley's Anglo-Saxon name, she is strongly implied to be a Christian, "All American" girl.

Pretty much. If it's not explicitly stated otherwise, then one can assume she's christian as the majority of gamers who play the game live in predomidently christian nations.

Whatever one has the most exposure to will ultimately be the assumption they jump to concerning something not stated otherwise. So, we guess that she's christian.

Christian or not, it isn't as if there are no bisexual or gay christians in this world... No matter what the fundie Christians might want everyone to believe. Besides which, we're not talking about 2012 Earth here, Christianity isn't static and unless it wants to go extinct (my personal opinion: I'd quite happily see all organized and semi-organized religion go the way of the dodo), it has to keep up with the times. And no matter how much the fundies (of any persuasion) might want to fight it, the world IS becoming more accepting of non-heterosexual sexualities.

Ash's faith should not have been any impediment to her being bi.

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ElitePinecone wrote...

Perhaps it's a reflection of how disillusioned some are with anything Bioware does that even good-faith things like providing an exclusively lesbian option is dismissed as pandering to straight males. Or the tens (hundreds?) of hours of work required to put in Diana, Sam, Steve and Kaidan's s/s romances (as well as Liara and Kelly in ME/ME2) are apparently not done with good intentions, or can't make up for two games' worth of absence. 

I think that's an ungracious attitude to have, myself, particularly when there's no obligation on Bioware's part to do any s/s at all.

 

Did you look at Kelly's "romance" in ME2? Seriously. I'm not anti-sex to any degree (in fact I'd put myself under the heading of pro-sex feminist), but I could have done without Kelly's pole dancer impression. It's kind of hard to take that sort of thing seriously, even if it was "just a fling". (And it makes it hard to take her seriously in ME3 as anything other than a fling too, IMHO.)

Also, Bioware (in general) is not smelling of roses lately on the s/s romance front. Take a look over at the SWTOR forums to see what I mean (specifically the thread in the Story and Lore forum about SGRA (Same Gender Romance Arc) clarifications). Some heat on this is definitely deserved.

Modifié par Zandilar, 02 mars 2012 - 08:33 .

[Tietj]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Perhaps it's a reflection of how disillusioned some are with anything Bioware does that even good-faith things like providing an exclusively lesbian option is dismissed as pandering to straight males. Or the tens (hundreds?) of hours of work required to put in Diana, Sam, Steve and Kaidan's s/s romances (as well as Liara and Kelly in ME/ME2) are apparently not done with good intentions, or can't make up for two games' worth of absence.

I think that's an ungracious attitude to have, myself, particularly when there's no obligation on Bioware's part to do any s/s at all.

I could not agree with you more!  I'm almost embarrassed when something that was obviously done with us in mind is picked apart by the people in this thread.  I was kind of annoyed with the exclusion of m/m in ME1 and ME2, but they have completely redeemed themselves in my opinion.  Times change, opinions change, there's really nothing more they could possibly have done, and we're not satisfied because... I have no idea why, actually. 

[Knightly_BW]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Arik7 wrote...
Her religion is (intentionally?) never mentioned.  But considering Ashley's Anglo-Saxon name, she is strongly implied to be a Christian, "All American" girl.

Implications, no.

Perceptions, yes. 

Right up until someone from Bioware mentions Ashley's Christianity or we see it in-game, she can't be called Christian. 

What really bothers me is, if people think she can't be bisexual because they assume she is Christian. It amaze me how they are contend with her being a racist.

So racist christians okay, LGBT are not? Hello people of earth, you born as gay but you learn/want to be a racist.

This is worse than lesbians are hot, gays are icky situation.

[LukaCrosszeria]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Perhaps it's a reflection of how disillusioned some are with anything Bioware does that even good-faith things like providing an exclusively lesbian option is dismissed as pandering to straight males. Or the tens (hundreds?) of hours of work required to put in Diana, Sam, Steve and Kaidan's s/s romances (as well as Liara and Kelly in ME/ME2) are apparently not done with good intentions, or can't make up for two games' worth of absence.

I think that's an ungracious attitude to have, myself, particularly when there's no obligation on Bioware's part to do any s/s at all.

Well put. I posted my take on it a good while back.

I myself have been (admittedly) inordinately curious about the whole shebang, but that's because I just wanted to know either way, I get eager about stuff that excites me. But if you can't accept that things don't turn out the way you'd hoped for, it's just going to make you frustrated. For some people to the point where they started insulting BioWare 

Modifié par LukaCrosszeria, 02 mars 2012 - 08:11 .

[Maugrim]

Guys seriously one at a time we are going to run out of sugar cubes over here!

[Zjarcal]

Tietj wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

Perhaps it's a reflection of how disillusioned some are with anything Bioware does that even good-faith things like providing an exclusively lesbian option is dismissed as pandering to straight males. Or the tens (hundreds?) of hours of work required to put in Diana, Sam, Steve and Kaidan's s/s romances (as well as Liara and Kelly in ME/ME2) are apparently not done with good intentions, or can't make up for two games' worth of absence.

I think that's an ungracious attitude to have, myself, particularly when there's no obligation on Bioware's part to do any s/s at all.

I could not agree with you more!  I'm almost embarrassed when something that was obviously done with us in mind is picked apart by the people in this thread.  

[ElitePinecone]

Zandilar wrote...

Also, Bioware (in general) is not smelling of roses lately on the s/s romance front. Take a look over at the SWTOR forums to see what I mean (specifically the thread in the Story and Lore forum about SGRA (Same Gender Romance Arc) clarifications). Some heat on this is definitely deserved.

There doesn't seem to be a way to only see dev replies in that thread, do you have a summary of what happened in both of the threads?

(If the complaint is that it's taken too long to get the SGRAs up, well - I'd say more SWTOR content in general has taken a long while to arrive, and SGRAs likely aren't even a priority)

[corky_g]

Tietj wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

Perhaps it's a reflection of how disillusioned some are with anything Bioware does that even good-faith things like providing an exclusively lesbian option is dismissed as pandering to straight males. Or the tens (hundreds?) of hours of work required to put in Diana, Sam, Steve and Kaidan's s/s romances (as well as Liara and Kelly in ME/ME2) are apparently not done with good intentions, or can't make up for two games' worth of absence.

I think that's an ungracious attitude to have, myself, particularly when there's no obligation on Bioware's part to do any s/s at all.

I could not agree with you more!  I'm almost embarrassed when something that was obviously done with us in mind is picked apart by the people in this thread.  I was kind of annoyed with the exclusion of m/m in ME1 and ME2, but they have completely redeemed themselves in my opinion.  Times change, opinions change, there's really nothing more they could possibly have done, and we're not satisfied because... I have no idea why, actually. 

^ this.

Not everyone will get what they want. I want Kaidan baaaad... and it looks like I may have lucked out, but I was still prepared to accept Cortez in the event that Kaidan wasn't an option (I should point out that he's still not absolutely, positively, confirmed %100). Because ultimately, simply having any m/m content is pretty damn rare in video games, and I'm very proud of BW for making an effort to be inclusive.

To catch up, I had to read over 100 pages in the last two days. I understand people expressing their dissatisfaction, but I'm shocked that some were saying they're no longer going to buy the game.

Unrelated: there was a link posted earlier to a pic of Cortez, but it keeps sending me to a 404 page. I want to see him, but I can't bring myself to watch the romance video. Can anyone direct me to said pic?
Original link was http://i147.photobuc...fect/cortez.png

[Criz]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Zandilar wrote...

Also, Bioware (in general) is not smelling of roses lately on the s/s romance front. Take a look over at the SWTOR forums to see what I mean (specifically the thread in the Story and Lore forum about SGRA (Same Gender Romance Arc) clarifications). Some heat on this is definitely deserved.

There doesn't seem to be a way to only see dev replies in that thread, do you have a summary of what happened in both of the threads?

(If the complaint is that it's taken too long to get the SGRAs up, well - I'd say more SWTOR content in general has taken a long while to arrive, and SGRAs likely aren't even a priority)

actually if there's the "BioWare" logo under the thread title in the main area, clicking on that logo will only give you the BioWare peeps posts

[RomanDark]

Anyone know if it will be possible to mod Steve's skin tone? I like how he looks but if the video is any indication he is too dark to even make out! Besides, I see a Cortez as being a bit more latino in appearance. I would like him to be just one shade lighter.