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[swiftnissity]

Didn't they say their was going to be DLC romances? (Or they made it so it was possible to add them, or something like that)

Perhaps Ash will get that. I could see them putting in Bisexual romances with that rather then keeping them straight/gay/limited. (Ash and Vega would be easy candidates for it)

[Abispa]

WildOrchid wrote...

Eternal Dust wrote...

Going by BioWare history, the lead female for the male PC has always been exclusively straight.

So... there's no hope then. :/

Liara, here i come!

Well, DA2 has Isabela for their lead female LI, and one could argue that Leliana may have been the lead for DA:O. I do believe one could make the case for Morrigan since she's on the box, but Leliana was the one I saw on TV.

[Collider]

I doubt Vega would be an easy candidate. They'd have to make entirely new scenes.

[Cathey]

Have any of the people who already have the game mentioned a choice maker? Ages ago someone said there would be some kind of choice generator in the game. They said it might not be a comic like ME2 but there would be one.

In the demo we got to choose our VS. Is that all we get in the full game? Mainly i'm interested in if we get a romance choice because I just cba doing any more run throughs of the previous 2 games right now.

[bleetman]

DLC romances have not, to my knowledge, ever been announced. They've certainly been suggested by the Not A Homophobe But crowd over and over, but that's not exactly the same thing.

[ADLegend21]

IsaacShep wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

until now They've been treated on in the same.

Have they been really? Kaidan had less dialogues with mShep than Ash had with fShep in ME1. Kaidan didn't have his own cool introduction scene in ME1 like Ash had. Who's soldier-with-riffle animations we saw on Horizon? It's rather clear it was for Ash and they just copy+pasted it on Kaidan, ignoring his biotics and all. Phoenix armor on Kaidan in ME2 Prologue. Ash being a posted character for ME1, featured in ME2 launch trailer, poster LI in ME3 launch trailer and featured in the majority of ME3 marketing material. I understand your disappointement and I wish Ash was available for fShep, but no. They haven't been treated equally in previous games. Ash was taken care more of.

Kaidan's always a higher Rank than Ashley, Kaidan outranks shepard after ME2, has command over his own soldiers. He isn't blacklisted and had been held back in the alliance and he didn't have to deal with ebing calld racist because of issues with Wrex and Garrus. He also has a wider range of powers in combat and, with the phoenix armor, TWO separate outfits in ME2 while Ashley just has the same outfit for two years in game. Also anyhting you say for Ashley in marketting can be said for dude shep and sfehseho gets the same Shaft as Kaidan since default has maleshe save Ashley on Virmire but as youknow Marketting is a different department than the actual game. David Silverman's team has no say of what goes on in game. so yes MAJOR Kaidan Alenko and COMMANDER Ashley Williams have been treated similar.

[shepskisaac]

Eternal Dust wrote...

The way I see it, it has nothing to do with Ash and Kaidan individually. It has more to do with Ash being the lead female for a straight ManShep while Kaidan is the accompanying male for FemShep. His scenes are copy+pasted as much as FemShep's animations were. The Ash/ManShep scenes were obviously done first, though I wish their laziness didn't show so much. Going by BioWare history, the lead female for the male PC has always been exclusively straight. DA2 was the only game that really broke this trend.

So in the end they weren't treated fairly. Ash was taken of more. And she had more dialogues with fShep than mShep had with Kaidan. You couldn't even talk to Kaidan as mShep till after the first major completed planet after the Citadel. Nearly the middle of the core plot. As fShep, you could talk to Ash after Eden Prime.

[Eternal Dust]

Abispa wrote...

WildOrchid wrote...

Eternal Dust wrote...

Going by BioWare history, the lead female for the male PC has always been exclusively straight.

So... there's no hope then. :/

Liara, here i come!

Well, DA2 has Isabela for their lead female LI, and one could argue that Leliana may have been the lead for DA:O. I do believe one could make the case for Morrigan since she's on the box, but Leliana was the one I saw on TV.

Yes, I did say DA2 was the only game to break the trend. And just to be devil's advocate, you could completely miss Leliana and not even recruit her or kill her off later. Morrigan won't bugger off though. Oh, and God child.

Modifié par Eternal Dust, 03 mars 2012 - 11:54 .

[Abispa]

swiftnissity wrote...

Didn't they say their was going to be DLC romances? (Or they made it so it was possible to add them, or something like that)

Perhaps Ash will get that. I could see them putting in Bisexual romances with that rather then keeping them straight/gay/limited. (Ash and Vega would be easy candidates for it)

I've read that rumor, but never from a Bioware employee. I seriously doubt that there will be any DLCs with new version of in game characters anyway. More likely, if these DLC LIs are introduced they will be entirely new characters (to ME3 at least).

[Collider]

Ashley being the lead female for ME3 is...debatable. She was in the CG trailer but Liara is otherwise more marketed. Not to mention Ashley can be dead.

[bleetman]

Eternal Dust wrote...

Yes, I did say DA2 was the only game to break the trend. And just to be devil's advocate, you could completely miss Leliana and not even recruit her or kill her off later. Morrigan won't bugger off though.

You can actually just tell Morrigan to leave as soon as you reach Lothering :3

[Eternal Dust]

bleetman wrote...

Eternal Dust wrote...

Yes, I did say DA2 was the only game to break the trend. And just to be devil's advocate, you could completely miss Leliana and not even recruit her or kill her off later. Morrigan won't bugger off though.

You can actually just tell Morrigan to leave as soon as you reach Lothering :3

Really? I guess I liked having her around so I could slap her later.

[BrianWilly]

This is from a couple pages ago, sorry for dragging it up but just wanted to address it real quick:

jlb524 wrote...

BrianWilly wrote...
We do not "choose" the predetermined traits or personalities of any of the other characters in the game in any way that affects their preexisting storyline, so why should sexuality be exempt?

But you can choose whether or not Kaidan likes vanilla ice cream because the narrative doesn't explicity show us Kaidan's opinion on that type of ice cream.  

Why should sexuality be exempt from something like that?

I agree that there are specific traits shown in game for these characters but there are many left up to the imagination.  Sexuality typically fits into that category.

Whether or not Kaidan likes vanilla ice cream has no impact whatsoever on game mechanics or storyline in any way.  We "choose" it only in our heads, unlike a romance path that is shown onscreen and set into those characters' narratives..

This is why I'm always so confused that people think Bioware allows people to "design" their own versions of Bioware characters, because...well, they don't.  We customize their equipment, we allocate stats, and -- occasionally -- our player characters influence their squadmates' actions and mindsets in one way or another, such as the case with Garrus and Sidonis or Miranda and her sister.  Our player characters' actions have an affect on the world, yes, because actions have consequences and so on and so forth.  But we've never influenced a predetermined trait or piece of canon.

I definitely agree with you that, sure, we can believe what we want about a squadmate's sexuality if it's never mentioned, and maybe it'll even turn out to be true some time down the line as it apparently has for Kaidan.  But I think that actually clicking a button that turns a character straight in one playthrough and gay in another playthrough would count as influencing a predetermined trait or piece of canon.

[shepskisaac]

ADLegend21 wrote...
Kaidan's always a higher Rank than Ashley, Kaidan outranks shepard after ME2, has command over his own soldiers. He isn't blacklisted and had been held back in the alliance and he didn't have to deal with ebing calld racist because of issues with Wrex and Garrus.

This is story, not the amount of content BioWare was willing to give to the characers.

ADLegend21 wrote...
He also has a wider range of powers in combat and, with the phoenix armor, TWO separate outfits in ME2 while Ashley just has the same outfit for two years in game.

Two small things, compared to unique introduction scenes, more dialogues, preference in animations and marketing exposition.

ADLegend21 wrote...
Also anyhting you say for Ashley in marketting can be said for dude shep and sfehseho gets the same Shaft as Kaidan since default has maleshe save Ashley on Virmire but as youknow Marketting is a different department than the actual game. David Silverman's team has no say of what goes on in game. so yes MAJOR Kaidan Alenko and COMMANDER Ashley Williams have been treated similar.

But we're not talking DudeShep/FemShep. We're talking how equal Ash & Kaidan were. You said it was equal, I say it was clearly not.

[Abispa]

bleetman wrote...

Eternal Dust wrote...

Yes, I did say DA2 was the only game to break the trend. And just to be devil's advocate, you could completely miss Leliana and not even recruit her or kill her off later. Morrigan won't bugger off though.

You can actually just tell Morrigan to leave as soon as you reach Lothering :3

I forgot about that. Another nail in the coffin for the idea that the Old God baby will play an important role in DA3 since his existence isn't even canon.

Ow!

Sorry about that. Oghren just slapped me upside the head and Leliana is laughing at me.

[Collider]

But we've never influenced a predetermined trait or piece of canon.

But I think that actually clicking a button that turns a character straight in one playthrough and gay in another playthrough would count as influencing a predetermined trait or piece of canon.

Strangely enough...this is kind of what they did with Anders.
If you play as male, Karl was Ander's lover. If you play as female, Karl was Ander's friend.

[swiftnissity]

Arguably I'd say Aveline may actually be the main female lead in DA2 rather then the LI's. Even though you can't romance her she's with you from practically the start and can't be made to leave, thus she's a required part of the plot. Everyone else can be skipped and/or made to leave.

[anotherlamenick]

franciscoamell wrote...

Collider wrote...

Ashley being the lead female for ME3 is...debatable. She was in the CG trailer but Liara is otherwise more marketed. Not to mention Ashley can be dead.

But Ashley's way cooler than Liara.

Maybe, but it's easier to devote time and resources to a character that will definitely be around then to one who has a 50/50 chance of being a corpse (ok, I doubt half the players went with Kaidan, but hey).

This is great news and I applaud the devs for this move, now I just have to find out where Jacob's been hiding

[bleetman]

Karl was always Anders's lover. He just doesn't mention it if Hawke is female.

Modifié par bleetman, 04 mars 2012 - 12:05 .

[Collider]

swiftnissity wrote...

Arguably I'd say Aveline may actually be the main female lead in DA2 rather then the LI's. Even though you can't romance her she's with you from practically the start and can't be made to leave, thus she's a required part of the plot. Everyone else can be skipped and/or made to leave.

Doesn't she give female Hawke a kiss?

[Eternal Dust]

IsaacShep wrote...
So in the end they weren't treated fairly. Ash was taken of more. And she had more dialogues with fShep than mShep had with Kaidan. You couldn't even talk to Kaidan as mShep till after the first major completed planet after the Citadel. Nearly the middle of the core plot. As fShep, you could talk to Ash after Eden Prime.

I wouldn't say that Ash was more taken care of. It's just that ManShep came first, so she went along by default. I thought their roles were always sort of interchangeable. If you played FemShep, Kaidan touched the beacon. If you played ManShep, Ashley touched the beacon. To differentiate them now, at this point in the trilogy, by sexual orientation of all things, is pretty freakin stupid IMO.

[ADLegend21]

I said the same. not equal. Kaidan' already part of your crew while you rescue Ashley on Eden Prime sine her unit was wiped out by the Geth. Kaidan was already there. That's why you get to talk to Ashley on both games because you're checking on her after she's been through traumatic events.

[Collider]

They are still different people with different personalities, even if their roles are the same.