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[KillTheLastRomantic]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Weltea wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

cicimae wrote...

SolidBeast wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I said feminine. Someone else said girly.

I think people are misunderstanding. Kaidan isn't doing something like a Meryl from Metal Gear. At least not as far as I can tell. It's more of Kaidan moving and reacting the exact same way Ash is. Which seems wrong, because they should be more different, and clearly it's more written and acted with Ash in mind. Like Horizon.

If you want to compare it yourself, I don't think I can post a link, but just go to youtube, type Mass Effect, change the upload date to today, and find a walkthrough with the user name Ninja Assassin.

If you think nothing is wrong, that's your choice.

Searching and nothing like that is coming up. You sure that's the username? I only found one playthrough that had Ashley in it, and incidentally, she sits with her legs open like femShep (or manShep? ...Or Kaidan).

Ninja'd  
But personally, I don't really see him being all that feminine... 

Spoilers:
-snip-

This is what makes him "feminine"...Seriously?

I just don't see someone like Kaidan acting like that with Shepard. Ash maybe, but not Shepard.

But he's doing that "because" Ash does that as well.

I'd feel that was more out of character for Ash, if anyone. Kaidan never struck me as particularly stoic or overtly 'masculine' going by the usual perception of masc/fem.

I don't think so. Kaidan was always the type that held back, and tried to be more professional. Especially with Male Shep. Femshep even makes a point that he's always holding back.

Perhaps I've got that impression from the whole 'losing a limb' speech. I never played femshep.

Sorry about the text pyramid. I'm **** on computers and don't know how to cut out the rest of the text without messing up the quote.

Modifié par Progressive_Stupidity1, 04 mars 2012 - 06:21 .

[SolidBeast]

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

Perhaps I've got that impression from the whole 'losing a limb' speech. I never played femshep.

Sorry about the text pyramid. I'm **** on computers and don't know how to cut out the rest of the text without messing up the quote.

Just delete all the quote tags except the very opening one and the last one, as that is the post you're quoting. The ones further out are the more recent quotes.

Anyway, Kaidan is not a different character if you play femShep, that's the point. So if you're femShep, you get to see the more sensitive side of him since there's so much dialogue missing with manShep. But that doesn't mean that side doesn't exist in manShep's universe. Overall, I think that was a very poor argument for "femininity".

Although, I will add that those three = sexyness overload.

...And Liara is forced on me YET AGAIN.

Nvm, I'm still rewatching that hotness.

Modifié par SolidBeast, 04 mars 2012 - 06:32 .

[AmuHav]

I really need to go listen to that "Losing a limb" speech again... just...

[KillTheLastRomantic]

SolidBeast wrote...

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

Perhaps I've got that impression from the whole 'losing a limb' speech. I never played femshep.

Sorry about the text pyramid. I'm **** on computers and don't know how to cut out the rest of the text without messing up the quote.

Just delete all the quote tags except the very opening one and the last one, as that is the post you're quoting. The ones further out are the more recent quotes.

Anyway, Kaidan is not a different character if you play femShep, that's the point. So if you're femShep, you get to see the more sensitive side of him since there's so much dialogue missing with manShep. But that doesn't mean that side doesn't exist in manShep's universe. Overall, I think that was a very poor argument for "femininity".

Although, I will add that those three = sexyness overload.

...And Liara is forced on me YET AGAIN.

I don't really dislike Liara, even. I just don't like Bioware's treatment of her.

"Liara. A prothean expert, adept at biotics and maybe most importantly daughter of Beneziah, Saren's top lieutenant. And like most Asari...as beautiful as she is intelligent! Oh and there was Ashley too, somewhere."

Is it particularly bad in 3?

[TMA LIVE]

SolidBeast wrote...

...And Liara is forced on me YET AGAIN.

Looks more like Shepard is forcing himself on her, with that smile and all.

I'm a Liara fan, so it works for me, but again, I don't understand why Bioware is forcing how Shepard reacts to squadmates. Example, Shepard doesn't even try to say anything to the VS in the intro. He just walks past them without saying "Nice seeing yah".

[SolidBeast]

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

Is it particularly bad in 3?

Oh, it's bad. Especially if you romanced anyone other than the VS. But even so, the **** just won't die.

@TMA - I meant forced on me as the player, but also, my Shep is like Jim Carrey in Liar Liar. He never asked for it.
Also, you can't pick Vega over her in that mission. I hope no other missions are set up like that.

Modifié par SolidBeast, 04 mars 2012 - 06:50 .

[Ricvenart]

AmuHav wrote...

I really need to go listen to that "Losing a limb" speech again... just...

I'm sure Solid could sure a compliation MP3 with all his dialogue

Think I'll have to leave the forums tonight with so many people getting the game? In the UK.
Gonna sound odd, but I hope my copy doesn't arrive Wednesday, I'm off to that London, don't want to spend the whole day looking at David Hockney's art, picturing ME3 related stuff in all of them or seeing Kaidan in them all, cause the CE is sitting in my house 200 miles away from me.

[KillTheLastRomantic]

SolidBeast wrote...

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

Is it particularly bad in 3?

Oh, it's bad. Especially if you romanced anyone other than the VS. But even so, the **** just won't die.

Goddamnit. I want to romance Steve.

[jlb524]

Collider wrote...

I believe Thane's Siha nickname would be one. I don't see any real stereotypes involved there.

Kaidan's conversation with male Shepard seems to be absent for female Shepard. There's one from ME3 itself that doesn't have any stereotypes.

Those types of things are pretty superficial (Thane could just have a different nickname with MaleShep).  The core of the romance is the same as would be most dialog.

As for giving extra dialog...I don't see the point in allowing one gender to have more content over the other.  In this case, it's probably necessary b/c Kaidan wasn't an option for males in the first game.

Abispa wrote...

Now why are there so many "straight" male and lesbian options again?

Because the Mass Effect team isn't as cool as the DA team.

DA2 made everything fair for everyone.  Actually, with dlc there was even one more male LI then female.  Pre-DA2's release, I recall a forum member throwing a fit b/c straight females got one extra options (Sebastian) than the straight males got...it was amusing.

Modifié par jlb524, 04 mars 2012 - 07:06 .

[Parmida]

@Solid your avatar rocks dude, everytime I see it, it just makes me happy, I don't know why...

[Ricvenart]

Wow just wow, I hope MShep was "Lost without you" too (Romance Theme, it's...there are no words).

Modifié par Ricvenart, 04 mars 2012 - 07:22 .

[syllogi]

jlb524 wrote...

Abispa wrote...

Now why are there so many "straight" male and lesbian options again?

Because the Mass Effect team isn't as cool as the DA team.

DA2 made everything fair for everyone.  Actually, with dlc there was even one more male LI then female.  Pre-DA2's release, I recall a forum member throwing a fit b/c straight females got one extra options (Sebastian) than the straight males got...it was amusing.

David Gaider said himself on the DA2 forum that he didn't consider Sebastian a romance option (and neither do I, personally).  But there was something to be said for a character who gives more roleplaying options, for those who want to imagine a future.  I guess that's what they're going for with Vega.

[LemonCurry?]

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

I don't really dislike Liara, even. I just don't like Bioware's treatment of her.

"Liara. A prothean expert, adept at biotics and maybe most importantly daughter of Beneziah, Saren's top lieutenant. And like most Asari...as beautiful as she is intelligent! Oh and there was Ashley too, somewhere."

Is it particularly bad in 3?

Ugh, I just started ME2 again and was reminded why I hate the Genesis comic. "Beautiful and intelligent" vs. "good kid" or "good soldier".  "Kaidan was worried about the connection between Liara and I" - no he frickin' wasn't, I didn't pick her up until after Virmire in this playthrough and she didn't have any chance to even hit on Shep. Mostly she just acted crazy and then upset because of the Prothean infodump on her.

Re: Sebastian, didn't the writer (or someone) say his story wasn't over yet? Not sure if they'd incorporate the almost-romance there. Or I could be imagining things.

Also I should thank whoever it was who linked Dave Gahan's "Saw Something" earlier in the thread, I kind of love that song now. <3 I don't know why I haven't listened to more of his solo stuff, I've been a DM fan for a long time...

[Carfax]

Daashi wrote...

Actually in Australia the highest gamer demographic is the woman over 18.

The only way thats true, is if you include casual gamers in the gamer demographic. 

For serious gamers, men will always outnumber women.

[KillTheLastRomantic]

crayonsun wrote...

Progressive_Stupidity1 wrote...

I don't really dislike Liara, even. I just don't like Bioware's treatment of her.

"Liara. A prothean expert, adept at biotics and maybe most importantly daughter of Beneziah, Saren's top lieutenant. And like most Asari...as beautiful as she is intelligent! Oh and there was Ashley too, somewhere."

Is it particularly bad in 3?

Ugh, I just started ME2 again and was reminded why I hate the Genesis comic. "Beautiful and intelligent" vs. "good kid" or "good soldier".  "Kaidan was worried about the connection between Liara and I" - no he frickin' wasn't, I didn't pick her up until after Virmire in this playthrough and she didn't have any chance to even hit on Shep. Mostly she just acted crazy and then upset because of the Prothean infodump on her.

Re: Sebastian, didn't the writer (or someone) say his story wasn't over yet? Not sure if they'd incorporate the almost-romance there. Or I could be imagining things.

Also I should thank whoever it was who linked Dave Gahan's "Saw Something" earlier in the thread, I kind of love that song now. <3 I don't know why I haven't listened to more of his solo stuff, I've been a DM fan for a long time...

Solid, I think? I dug that song too.

[Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut]

Carfax wrote...

For serious gamers, men will always outnumber women.

[citation needed]

[jlb524]

syllogi wrote...
David Gaider said himself on the DA2 forum that he didn't consider Sebastian a romance option (and neither do I, personally).  But there was something to be said for a character who gives more roleplaying options, for those who want to imagine a future.  I guess that's what they're going for with Vega.

Oh, I see.

Well, I guess Tallis kinda evens that out then.

[Quething]

Hey everyone, Carfax is back! Hi Carfax!

I am going to say that Shep doesn't say anything to Ash when they first meet up because there is still such a bond between them that they can communicate solely with facial expression and there's no need for clumsy words to convey the wounded but profound yearning between them. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Modifié par Quething, 04 mars 2012 - 07:35 .

[KillTheLastRomantic]

Quething wrote...

Hey everyone, Carfax is back! Hi Carfax!

I am going to say that Shep doesn't say anything to Ash when they first meet up because there is still such a bond between them that they can communicate solely with facial expression and there's no need for clumsy words to convey the wounded but profound yearning between them. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Or s/he's just playing hard to get.

[Carfax]

Dave Exclamation Mark Yognaut wrote...

[citation needed]

No citation is needed, because most women obviously have more important things to do in life than gaming.........like fixing sammiches for their gamer boyfriends

[Carfax]

Quething wrote...

Hey everyone, Carfax is back! Hi Carfax!

Yes, I'm back from the treatment.  And I promise to behave this time.....

[ADLegend21]

Carfax wrote...

Daashi wrote...

Actually in Australia the highest gamer demographic is the woman over 18.

The only way thats true, is if you include casual gamers in the gamer demographic. 

For serious gamers, men will always outnumber women.

Or you know that could actually be true.

[Espurr]

Quething wrote...

Hey everyone, Carfax is back! Hi Carfax!

I am going to say that Shep doesn't say anything to Ash when they first meet up because there is still such a bond between them that they can communicate solely with facial expression and there's no need for clumsy words to convey the wounded but profound yearning between them. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Lol I like that story. I too will be sticking to it.

As a fan of certain TV shows, I am all too familiar with the term "eye-sex"

Side-note: anyone on the EAST coast planning to get the game and guide at midnight tomorrow, who could let us poor west coasters know what the LI section officially says (I've given up on hearing back from that one dude)?

Modifié par ToastPants, 04 mars 2012 - 07:56 .

[wisperhill]

need mass effect now

Modifié par wisperhill, 04 mars 2012 - 07:57 .

[Eternal Dust]

ToastPants wrote...

Quething wrote...

Hey everyone, Carfax is back! Hi Carfax!

I am going to say that Shep doesn't say anything to Ash when they first meet up because there is still such a bond between them that they can communicate solely with facial expression and there's no need for clumsy words to convey the wounded but profound yearning between them. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

*simba snip*

Lol I like that story. I too will be sticking to it.

As a fan of certain TV shows, I am all too familiar with the term "eye-sex"

Yes, and subtext. :happy: