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[Daashi]

Frozen83 wrote...

Asperius wrote...
Then will wait for Dragon Age 3. I wonder how they will handle S/S options on DA after reaction to ME3 ones (like exclusive S/S options). I swear if they will push another elf male for S/S romance into my face, I will go straight on every DA games.

The spawn companion will be s/s option ! M.

I have to ask, have you seen that video?

[Frozen83]

Ummm, what video ? M.

[Daashi]

Frozen83 wrote...

Ummm, what video ? M.

Someone uploaded a vid from a modded game. It the sex scene with Alistair and a Darkspawn with Madonna in the background and smarta*** comments throughout the vid.

[Knightly_BW]

devSin wrote...

I don't think the DA team would be interested in non-companion romance.

We'll see, I suppose, but I think they have other priorities (and because the companion space is limited, so to speak, gender exclusivity, even homosexual, probably is off the table).

As far as elves, with DA2, it's your CHOICE. If you don't like Fenris, romance Anders. If you don't like Anders either, then do whatever you want. They have given you, for the first time, the same options as everyone else. They're not "pushing" anything on you, and you're just as free as every other player to find the romance that works for you, or to do without if you find none.

Yeah this is why other than first run I romanced with Isabela with every Hawke, male or female. She had the best one (well at least between Fenris, Merrill and Isabela. I hate Anders). This is why I said I will go straight. If people okay with elven loving, more power to them.

[Frozen83]

Daashi wrote...

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Ummm... Ohhh... Ermmm...  I withdraw my last couple of posts. No spawn for romance! Ever! M.
p.s. and thanx for ruining Madonna for me...

[devSin]

Asperius wrote...

Yeah this is why other than first run I romanced with Isabela with every Hawke, male or female. She had the best one (well at least between Fenris, Merrill and Isabela. I hate Anders). This is why I said I will go straight. If people okay with elven loving, more power to them.

So it's not really about getting a non-elf LI, it's about getting the LI you want? Because DA2 didn't "push another elf male for S/S romance into" your face; it offered one alongside another option.

But apparently that's only good enough if the alternative option is the one you want?

Honestly, if not getting what you want every single time is all the incentive you need to take your toys and run home, I kind of hope you do have to "go straight" in future games.

I don't want to be mean. It would be nice were there options that satisfied you, but if your response to not always getting them is to turn your back on all of them, I'm really not sympathetic, sorry.

Modifié par devSin, 05 mars 2012 - 10:54 .

[bleetman]

ElitePinecone wrote...

devSin wrote...

I would die of joy were different gameplay mechanics the only thing to worry about. I can still play ME and have fun, but knowing and experiencing the end of the story that we're getting in ME3, I'm fairly sure I'm not ever going to really want to again.

Agreed - once is more than enough. 

Y'know, coming from you two, that's getting me especially worried over the endings.

Modifié par bleetman, 05 mars 2012 - 11:06 .

[ElitePinecone]

bleetman wrote...
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I'm just bitter. It's not as bad as people are screaming about, but if you're at all the sort of person that got invested in Shepard and the universe, I don't think it'll be satisfying at all. In fact, I think it'd be pretty upsetting. 

I probably notice it more here on the BSN and in this thread in particular, but there are a lot of Mass Effect fans that get attached to the characters to a huge degree. I don't think any of them will like the endings.

When I think how easy it would've been to make a different ending, it suggests the writers were trying to aim for something profound and arty with what they did. Frankly, I don't think it works, and I think they'll annoy and frustrate more people than they'll delight.

It seems like an awfully odd, and unfortunate, end to 100+ hours of story over three games. 

[bleetman]

I'm generally ok with characters dying, ish. Sort of. If the situation is so dire that there are deaths, but surviving with others generates a tangible sense of accomplishment, that's preferable. If their deaths are significant and serve some kind of purpose (Virmire works as that, I thought), that's ok too.

It's when you've got multiple deaths concentrated within a small timeframe and orchastrated in such a way as to be both nigh unavoidable and Crewman Red Shirt style (which is to say 'we're killing people off to show how grimdark the situation is') that I start flipping tables. Any hack can have their characters killed off. Doing it in a way that's satisfying, if not especially enjoyable, seems to be far more rare.

Not that I've read into the specifics of the endings, but I suspect I'm going to need to start buying more furniture.

Modifié par bleetman, 05 mars 2012 - 11:31 .

[Game_Fan_85]

I started playing the game last night and was only going to play a little bit because I don't have access to the DLC yet and without looking at spoilers, I gather it is an important part of the story. Almost 19 hours later I stopped playing.....

I am loving it to say the least, it already brought tears twice in that play time and I expect more. I stopped playing at the point where I had invitations to meet Kaidan, Steve, Liara and Garrus on the Citidal. I was thinking all along that I'd go with Kaidan's story first but I really like Steve's character, it's hard to choose. Oh well, it just gives me an excuse to start playing again when I finish. I will put a ***SPOILER WARNING*** for below....












I went through both Kaidan and Steve's conversations. When I spoke to Kaidan first, Steve mentioned "you have a thing with Kaidan" when Shepard asked why he was not "eye candy". When I spoke to Steve first, Kaidan never mentioned anything about liking Shepard. The kiss between Shepard and Steve on the dance floor was OK, but it was a bit of a cop out. Just as their lips meet, you get a far over behind the head shot. Not exactly like Hawke and Anders. There was no kissing or anything with Kaidan and when I went back to the ship he just said "don't want to talk now", WTF? I guess I have to do more missions! I DO like the fact that like DA2, when a character has nothing to say, the talk wheel does not come up. I got so sick of hearing Garrus tell me about his calibrations. I did like his and Shepard's little "bonding moment", I chose to miss on purpose

I really like Vega as well, he is pretty much what I expected him to be which is to say, not what most people were calling him when he was first shown. I never expected a dumb Gears/Army of Two/CoD character. I did say I didn't like his face all that much because it looked a bit ape-like but it looks much better in game. Now I wish I had a 3rd reason to play... The bit when James was invited up to Shepard's room to talk when Shepard gave the "The bed is softer than it looks" line, there was no flirting from Vega, he seemed like he could not get out fast enough.

EDIT:  Oops, forgot one thing.  I was surprised when Kaidan asked Shepard if he was flirting when he visits him in hospital the first time, I really didn't expect any hint of "gay" unless it was specified by the player.

Modifié par Game_Fan_85, 05 mars 2012 - 12:19 .

[devSin]

Could we not have wholesale spoilers like that yet, please? If you're going to parrot exactly how things play out, at least find a more clever way to disguise it.

bleetman wrote...

Not that I've read into the specifics of the endings, but I suspect I'm going to need to start buying more furniture.

I think you're going to be disappointed. It will be interesting to see how you react, in any case.

I also agree that it has stolen a lot of my thunder for the relationships, including the same-sex romances. I'm not sure of EP's specific thoughts, but to me it all just seems a little pointless now. Especially the same-sex romance, in fact, because they don't have the benefit of being cultivated over the past two games, where you could actually experience some growth and have at least a little hope for some lasting impact (although I think everybody will get the shaft equally, in the end).

To be truthful, I don't think I would have been bothered at all if this game ended up not having gay romance, with the way it's going to play out. Not that my straight Shepards are going to be any happier, but at least they had room for their moment in the sun in past games.

[Knightly_BW]

devSin wrote...

Asperius wrote...

Yeah this is why other than first run I romanced with Isabela with every Hawke, male or female. She had the best one (well at least between Fenris, Merrill and Isabela. I hate Anders). This is why I said I will go straight. If people okay with elven loving, more power to them.

So it's not really about getting a non-elf LI, it's about getting the LI you want? Because DA2 didn't "push another elf male for S/S romance into" your face; it offered one alongside another option.

But apparently that's only good enough if the alternative option is the one you want?

Honestly, if not getting what you want every single time is all the incentive you need to take your toys and run home, I kind of hope you do have to "go straight" in future games.

I don't want to be mean. It would be nice were there options that satisfied you, but if your response to not always getting them is to turn your back on all of them, I'm really not sympathetic, sorry.

Hmm I think I passed wrong impression.  I usually check each LI available play whichever I like more (unless they are too irritating like Garrus or Anders).

Origins had bi Zevran which was an elf, DA 2 had Fenris which was also an elf. Can you see a patern here? Both human males were reserved for straight romances (Alistair & Sebastian). You can say Anders also bi but that was more plot mechanic and fan service. Maybe those were chance but making elves bi and making human boys straight kinda make me see elf males equal to Asari.

Again I don't care much who my characters pursue romance path. Just bit uncomfortable with tendecy of serving elves as bi options. That doesn't mean I don't like them (Zevran and Fenris are my second favorite romances) I just don't like how they treat elves. I will be happier to see straight only male elf than bi or m/m exclusive human male.

I hope this make things a bit clearer.

[Collider]

I'm not sure 2 elves counts as a tendency.
Better to wait until DA3 to make that judgement, imo.

[Collider]

The bit when James was invited up to Shepard's room to talk when Shepard gave the "The bed is softer than it looks" line, there was no flirting from Vega, he seemed like he could not get out fast enough.

Looks like Vega's straight.

[Maferath]

If Anders doesn't count because of "game mechanics", then Fenris doesn't count either.

[Knightly_BW]

Maferath wrote...

If Anders doesn't count because of "game mechanics", then Fenris doesn't count either.

Anders doesn't count as he is plot point for "whaaa I romanced that guy and he turned out terrorist" double impact emo combo. That was what I wanted to say with mechanics. If you betrayed by your LI you feel more ****ty at the end.

@Collider;

You're right. This is why I don't want to see another m/m elf LI on DA 3. I don't want to believe they can use them subtitue for Asari.

Anyway, just watched ME 3 ending videos and if you'll excuse me I want to bang my head to the wall... if all endings are like that (saw ony 2 version so far)... I don't know if I can bother to finish this game more than once.

[Arik7]

The DA2 implementation of the romances is the best so far, with everyone but DLC Sebastian being open to both genders. Call it "fan service" if you will, but that's the point of these types of games, IMO.

Game_Fan_85, thanks a lot of the update. Congrats to all the Kaidan fans. Can't wait to get the game.

[Collider]

Hypothetically, what if they use a qunari or dwarf M/M LI? Same reaction?

[TMA LIVE]

Collider wrote...

Yes, it's great that ME3 finally has a Male option, but same sex in ME isn't new.

M/M romances in ME3 are new in the trilogy.

And that's groundbreaking?

Especially when other Bioware games have done so?

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 05 mars 2012 - 12:56 .

[Collider]

It's not groundbreaking, but it's pretty rare in video games.

[TMA LIVE]

Collider wrote...

It's not groundbreaking, but it's pretty rare in video games.

But it's treated like same sex never existed in ME. Yes, this is a first for Male Shep, but as I said, Femshep had same sex options since ME and ME2.

They aren't saying "Wow, Mass Effect now has a dude option". They're saying "Wow, Bioware is putting "Same-sex" options in ME3."

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 05 mars 2012 - 01:00 .

[Collider]

Yes, it's a misrepresentation.
Doesn't help that Bioware hasn't been very good about Liara's gender, though.

[Knightly_BW]

Collider wrote...

Hypothetically, what if they use a qunari or dwarf M/M LI? Same reaction?

I guess that question directed to me. If they use any  same non-human race as m/m or bi option on every game, yes my reaction will be same.

If they change the races around I will be more comfortable. Will I romance with a dwarf or a qunari? If they are enjoyable yes even I don't like dwarves. I wouldn't mind to romance with Oghren but won't romance with Varric.

Qunari is dangerous for romances but yeah it would be interesting if they doesn't imply it as a S&M sex (I had that impression from Sten). I don't like that kinda thing even in a game.

Maybe my favorite romances give you a clue:
Dragon Age:Origins - Alistar or Zevran, it was hard to make a choice betwen those two
DA2 : Isabela (Fenris a bit but his life story kinda cliche)
Jade Empire: Sky
Mass Effect 2: Miranda (Jack is second close one)
Neverwinter Nights: Hordes of the Underdark - Valen.

I hope that will answer questions on your mind.

[Ricvenart]

Semi-related and Minor hint of a Spoiler:

There's a bonus tied to a fish with Kelly, but only if you've romanced her so far as to her promising to look after your fish.

Does anyone know what it actually is and maybe stop me from exploding from it being something more then romance related. I've been dissappointed about some things so far but this...

[LukaCrosszeria]

4 days till ME3 for me...assuming they ship on the 8th and it gets delivered on the 9th. I didn't continue playing my custom Shep until I was sure Kaidan was available for MShep, but now that I know he is, I'd better get playing again. At least I'm motivated this time.