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[Xyraphius]

Asperius wrote...

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On the other hand Steve is a no go either. Even Shep's "I'm waiting for the right man" line can't save its from haunting ghost. Steve's clearly still in love with his hubby. His grief is so... real. I feel like I am tricking him to get in my bed. Steve's love for David (I hope I remember his ex-husband's name right) maybe one of the most romantic ones in Bioware history. I prefer to be his friend no matter how good or handsome he is.

I have to disagree with you somewhat, here. I can identify with Steven to a degree. I was in a relationship for quite some time, won't give time frames, names or anything of the sort. Fact of the matter is that I lost him. I think this romance communicates something I really understand to that effect. No matter how much you love someone, once you've lost them, you've lost them. They'll always be a part of you, and that's all you can do aside from knowing you'll always love them. Steven may have been in love with Robert, but I doubt Robert wanted him to mourn forever. I think that's why I appreciate the romance as I do. Remember, Steven said Robert had been dead for several months prior to the events of ME3.

EDIT: In retrospect, I would want someone to do for me what Shepard did for Steve if I was in his situation. I would want someone to remind me that you can't cling to someone who needs to be let go, otherwise you're just aiming to be miserable forever. And I think that's the most interesting part about it for me. It's like playing Shepard the way I'd want someone to respond and react to me.

If I was killed while I was married or in love with someone, I would want them to eventually move on and be happy with someone else if they chose to. I wouldn't want them to question everything or compare others to me, or feel the need to be shackled down to memories with, or commitment to, me.

As for the picture comment. Thanks! :3 I think I'm more lucky with Steve than the other way around. My Shep used to be blonde with purple eyes and the same skin tone in ME2(With the same goatee Steve uses now). Figured I would try something different, and tried to model my Shep after my actual self. Only... I couldn't quite get the right beard so I stuck with that one. And I actually made my Shep with no prior knowledge to Steve's appearance.
:innocent:

Steve and Kaidan are most definitely both sweet characters. After that dinner scene with Kaidan(I didn't get any dialogue about flirting), however, I completely lost interest and decided to pursue Steve instead.

I look forward to seeing how the romance plays out with Steve. ^^

Modifié par Xyraphius, 09 mars 2012 - 08:36 .

[Daashi]

Zandilar wrote...

*bangs head against desk* How many times do I have to say this?

Liara is female. There's no need for special pronouns, she and her are quite sufficent.

By the biological definition of what female is, Liara is female.

Liara looks, acts, and sounds female.

By human perception, Liara is female.

By the perception of the other ME races, Liara is female.

Just like those Whiptail Lizards are ALL female. Liara and all Asari are female.

She's not trans. She has a single sex, she is neither hermaphrodite (both) nor androgynous (neither). She is female.

The bloody codex in the fragging game says that the Asari are all female. You'd think that should be enough to settle it, right?

And yes. She most definitely deserves to be loved.

Finally someone other than myself seems to get it!

[devSin]

Asperius wrote...

I hope I am the only one getting that feeling. Most of the regulars on this thread really wanted Kaidan and they don't deserve that kinda crappy romance dialogue written by a bad slash fic writer.

I looked at it, and I don't see it the same way you do.

Yes, it's a bit gushy (more than I would have liked; I would have wanted Shepard to be a bit more forceful and a bit less mystified or wistful sounding). But they don't waste time trying to dress it up (why do they have to explain why two guys have feelings for each other?), which I appreciate. (I'm also curious as to the different interactions that supposedly only occur for a new Shepard, but I don't know if I'll ever check it out, since you have to play through so much to get the date.)

Kaidan likes you. And if you turn him down, he still really likes you, and you obviously really like him, even if that doesn't extend to romance.

As for the initial prompt to what he's discussing, I don't view it negatively, although I do think it partly exists by mechanics (it's the last "opt-out" moment you get). You have to admit that he is being a bit cagey in trying to address how far those feelings extend, so it's not completely uncalled for to press him on it.

As for "gayness", I think that's all in your head. I don't consider Kaidan/mShep to be any different than any other romance, whether that extends to heterosexual or homosexual or bisexual or pansexual. I think if asked if he were gay, Shepard would say that he likes Kaidan. What the implication of that is is up to you.

Asperius wrote...

On the other hand Steve is a no go either. Even Shep's "I'm waiting for the right man" line can't save its from haunting ghost. Steve's clearly still in love with his hubby. His grief is so... real.

I took to Steve's character, but I don't see the romance. The interaction at the bar is... unusual, but I do prefer the frankness of it to Kaidan's meandering date.

As for grief, he's totally checking out that guy in the background. Sure, he's lost someone close, but he's still a human being, and you have been helping him through some of the residual grief in prior interactions.

I've really liked Liara so far, but her interactions more than not just depress the hell out of me (actually, the whole game has been depressing, to an absurd degree), knowing where all roads lead to. Then again, this is the way she was in LotSB, so it's not like I was expecting her to be shining any rays of hope here either.

I'm still looking forward to Ashley and Liara romance, if I can overcome the despair of how brutally ugly this game is. I'm just so glad that I didn't ever romance anyone in ME2. Talk about dismal. Ugh.

Modifié par devSin, 09 mars 2012 - 08:07 .

[Xyraphius]

Daashi wrote...

Zandilar wrote...

*bangs head against desk* How many times do I have to say this?

Liara is female. There's no need for special pronouns, she and her are quite sufficent.

By the biological definition of what female is, Liara is female.

Liara looks, acts, and sounds female.

By human perception, Liara is female.

By the perception of the other ME races, Liara is female.

Just like those Whiptail Lizards are ALL female. Liara and all Asari are female.

She's not trans. She has a single sex, she is neither hermaphrodite (both) nor androgynous (neither). She is female.

The bloody codex in the fragging game says that the Asari are all female. You'd think that should be enough to settle it, right?

And yes. She most definitely deserves to be loved.

Finally someone other than myself seems to get it!

As for reading what went on on the previous page, this quote just about sums it up for truth. Yes.

[Knightly_BW]

Xyraphius wrote...

Asperius wrote...

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On the other hand Steve is a no go either. Even Shep's "I'm waiting for the right man" line can't save its from haunting ghost. Steve's clearly still in love with his hubby. His grief is so... real. I feel like I am tricking him to get in my bed. Steve's love for David (I hope I remember his ex-husband's name right) maybe one of the most romantic ones in Bioware history. I prefer to be his friend no matter how good or handsome he is.

I have to disagree with you somewhat, here. I can identify with Steven to a degree. I was in a relationship for quite some time, won't give time frames, names or anything of the sort. Fact of the matter is that I lost him. I think this romance communicates something I really understand to that effect. No matter how much you love someone, once you've lost them, you've lost them. They'll always be a part of you, and that's all you can do aside from knowing you'll always love them. Steven may have been in love with Robert, but I doubt Robert wanted him to mourn forever. I think that's why I appreciate the romance as I do. Remember, Steven said Robert had been dead for several months prior to the events of ME3.

EDIT: In retrospect, I would want someone to do for me what Shepard did for Steve if I was in his situation. I would want someone to remind me that you can't cling to someone who needs to be let go, otherwise you're just aiming to be miserable forever. And I think that's the most interesting part about it for me. It's like playing Shepard the way I'd want someone to respond and react to me.

If I was killed while I was married or in love with someone, I would want them to eventually move on and be happy with someone else if they chose to. I wouldn't want them to question everything or compare others to me, or feel the need to be shackled down to memories with, or commitment to, me.

As for the picture comment. Thanks! :3 I think I'm more lucky with Steve than the other way around. My Shep used to be blonde with purple eyes and the same skin tone in ME2(With the same goatee Steve uses now). Figured I would try something different, and tried to model my Shep after my actual self. Only... I couldn't quite get the right beard so I stuck with that one. And I actually made my Shep with no prior knowledge to Steve's appearance. :innocent:

Steve and Kaidan are most definitely both sweet characters. After that dinner scene with Kaidan(I didn't get any dialogue about flirting), however, I completely lost interest and decided to pursue Steve instead.

I look forward to seeing how the romance plays out with Steve. ^^

Sorry to hear your loss. As you said life goes on, everyone need to overcome grief of losing beloved ones or any other tragedies. You know I spoiled myself with leaks and such. I was okay with that. However seeing him crying like that stop me on my track from pursuing anything romantic with him. With your insight I better follow Steve's romance for my main. At least give it a try and see how it unfolds.

Shep's Kaidan date scene talk really puts me off thanks to whoever wrote Shep's words. Kaidan deserves better man than Shep... at least writer's cannon Shepard.

For flirting line with Kaidan you need to ask him about his biotics on hospital visit. On first one after auto cutscene you can click on him again and talk with him.

[Frozen83]

Daashi wrote...

Zandilar wrote...

*bangs head against desk* How many times do I have to say this?

Liara is female. There's no need for special pronouns, she and her are quite sufficent.

By the biological definition of what female is, Liara is female.

Liara looks, acts, and sounds female.

By human perception, Liara is female.

By the perception of the other ME races, Liara is female.

Just like those Whiptail Lizards are ALL female. Liara and all Asari are female.

She's not trans. She has a single sex, she is neither hermaphrodite (both) nor androgynous (neither). She is female.

The bloody codex in the fragging game says that the Asari are all female. You'd think that should be enough to settle it, right?

And yes. She most definitely deserves to be loved.

Finally someone other than myself seems to get it!

Actually, Asari are (humanoid) female-looking hermaphodites. They can also act as a father... M.

[Xyraphius]

Asperius wrote...

Xyraphius wrote...

Asperius wrote...

...

On the other hand Steve is a no go either. Even Shep's "I'm waiting for the right man" line can't save its from haunting ghost. Steve's clearly still in love with his hubby. His grief is so... real. I feel like I am tricking him to get in my bed. Steve's love for David (I hope I remember his ex-husband's name right) maybe one of the most romantic ones in Bioware history. I prefer to be his friend no matter how good or handsome he is.

I have to disagree with you somewhat, here. I can identify with Steven to a degree. I was in a relationship for quite some time, won't give time frames, names or anything of the sort. Fact of the matter is that I lost him. I think this romance communicates something I really understand to that effect. No matter how much you love someone, once you've lost them, you've lost them. They'll always be a part of you, and that's all you can do aside from knowing you'll always love them. Steven may have been in love with Robert, but I doubt Robert wanted him to mourn forever. I think that's why I appreciate the romance as I do. Remember, Steven said Robert had been dead for several months prior to the events of ME3.

EDIT: In retrospect, I would want someone to do for me what Shepard did for Steve if I was in his situation. I would want someone to remind me that you can't cling to someone who needs to be let go, otherwise you're just aiming to be miserable forever. And I think that's the most interesting part about it for me. It's like playing Shepard the way I'd want someone to respond and react to me.

If I was killed while I was married or in love with someone, I would want them to eventually move on and be happy with someone else if they chose to. I wouldn't want them to question everything or compare others to me, or feel the need to be shackled down to memories with, or commitment to, me.

As for the picture comment. Thanks! :3 I think I'm more lucky with Steve than the other way around. My Shep used to be blonde with purple eyes and the same skin tone in ME2(With the same goatee Steve uses now). Figured I would try something different, and tried to model my Shep after my actual self. Only... I couldn't quite get the right beard so I stuck with that one. And I actually made my Shep with no prior knowledge to Steve's appearance. :innocent:

Steve and Kaidan are most definitely both sweet characters. After that dinner scene with Kaidan(I didn't get any dialogue about flirting), however, I completely lost interest and decided to pursue Steve instead.

I look forward to seeing how the romance plays out with Steve. ^^

Sorry to hear your loss. As you said life goes on, everyone need to overcome grief of losing beloved ones or any other tragedies. You know I spoiled myself with leaks and such. I was okay with that. However seeing him crying like that stop me on my track from pursuing anything romantic with him. With your insight I better follow Steve's romance for my main. At least give it a try and see how it unfolds.

Shep's Kaidan date scene talk really puts me off thanks to whoever wrote Shep's words. Kaidan deserves better man than Shep... at least writer's cannon Shepard.

For flirting line with Kaidan you need to ask him about his biotics on hospital visit. On first one after auto cutscene you can click on him again and talk with him.

See, that was the strange thing about it. I had the romance active all throughout. I even held his hands with unspoken dialogue in the hospital due to the import bug. When I killed Udina, Kaidan told me he was trying to wrap his head around everything. And it was alluded to that my Shepard was still in a fixed romance with him. Right down to getting an awkward cam shot of his rear end at the cutscene's finish.

But when that CS was done and he sent me the e-mail inviting me to dinner, I didn't see any such convo. It was as though the romance never existed and he told me I was like a brother to him. I was pretty confused.

And yes, I say give Steven a chance if you really like him. He's a great guy, and I love his banter when you chat with him outside of CS'es. He's such a sweet guy.

Modifié par Xyraphius, 09 mars 2012 - 08:12 .

[devSin]

Asperius wrote...

For flirting line with Kaidan you need to ask him about his biotics on hospital visit. On first one after auto cutscene you can click on him again and talk with him.

I think he doesn't do this for adepts? And he also doesn't talk "handsomeness" if you import?

It just figures that gay Shepard would be my canon adept. No flirt jokes and no statements of manly attraction for him. :-)

Modifié par devSin, 09 mars 2012 - 08:21 .

[devSin]

Xyraphius wrote...

But when that CS was done and he sent me the e-mail inviting me to dinner, I didn't see any such convo. It was as though the romance never existed and he told me I was like a brother to him. I was pretty confused.

Because the game was obviously giving you female romance, but Kaidan's date is specific to progress in ME3.

The things you'd have to do to get the Kaidan date couldn't be done, because you were getting phantom Kaidan romance interaction before.

So you got the friendship luncheon.

That sounds reasonable to expect to me. It sucks that your saved game got borked, but you can't fault the game for not being able to tell quite what was going on. :-)

Modifié par devSin, 09 mars 2012 - 08:19 .

[Xyraphius]

devSin wrote...

Xyraphius wrote...

But when that CS was done and he sent me the e-mail inviting me to dinner, I didn't see any such convo. It was as though the romance never existed and he told me I was like a brother to him. I was pretty confused.

Because the game was obviously giving you female romance, but Kaidan's date is specific to progress in ME3.

The things you'd have to do to get the Kaidan date couldn't be done, because you were getting phantom Kaidan romance interaction before.

So you got the friendship luncheon.

Ah, well... Suppose I'll have to see if I can mess around with my save to try and fix that little Kaidan bug. It'll have to be for another playthrough.

Not that I'm at all disappointed with Cortez at this point.

Also, "phantom Kaidan romance" made me laugh. Funny thing is that there were lines even in the beginning that were voiced by male Shep regarding the romance.

"There are things too important to me to let down."

*Camera pans over to an oblivious Kaidan looking around*

*Proceeds to turn around to Liara and Shep with a "Wut" expression*

Probably one of the most adorable moments of my playthrough.

Modifié par Xyraphius, 09 mars 2012 - 08:23 .

[Knightly_BW]

devSin wrote...

Snip... to prevent long wall of text

Well I can feel Kaidan. He is good but Shep's attidute on date screen is very off. This is why I gave that gayness example, to address my point of view more specificly. Pass that specific line, it is very fun instead.

To me ME3 really suffers from limited/auto response dialogues. Suddenly Shep says something and my jaw drops as it is very out of character how I build my Shepard so far.

Probably real reason is playing with my Main on first run. I usually create my main after couple of runs, when I learned most things in game. So I can get the pieces I liked and create my view of game.

I agree with depressing part. Game puts great weight on Sheps shoulders and I feel restless, weary and hopeless most of the time as things very very bad. Actually if I found myself smiling playing thru the game that comes as surprise. Also knowing endings and illogical part* (at least for me) of the story makes ME3 kind of stale.

*You see what Reapers can do in game. So I doubt Earth would stand a chance against them while you are running around in the galaxy playing politics/chasing Cerberus. I don't know how long it would take to go to other planets but guess those travels at least should take good chunk of time. Reapers on the other hand can devour half of the Earth's population in couple of days.

[Knightly_BW]

devSin wrote...

Asperius wrote...

For flirting line with Kaidan you need to ask him about his biotics on hospital visit. On first one after auto cutscene you can click on him again and talk with him.

I think he doesn't do this for adepts? And he also doesn't talk "handsomeness" if you import?

It just figures that gay Shepard would be my canon adept. :-)

No he uses same line on Adepts as well. Also he founds a common point with Adepts. My main is also an adept.

As far as I know he uses "handsome" for fresh start Sheps. Probably he knows about crappy import results of ME3 and wise enough to not call import Sheps handsome.

[Daashi]

Frozen83 wrote...

Actually, Asari are (humanoid) female-looking hermaphodites. They can also act as a father... M.

While the merging of nervous system seems to trigger Asari fertility, daughters are clones of their mother, there is no combining of two seperate DNA, merely the replication of a single set of DNA. So there is no "father" as least as we understand it, merely a second parent who is not geneticly related to the child. And for them to be hermaphrodites they need both male and female reproductive organs, they only have female reproductive organs; therefore the Asari are female.

And person reguardless of their gender or species can be the "father" of an Asari child, if a female human became the "father" of a Asari child that does make the woman in question a hermaphrodite? No it doesn't. It is merely a peculilarity of Asari biology that requires telepathic contact with another to give their fertility a kickstart.

[Xyraphius]

Asperius wrote...

devSin wrote...

Asperius wrote...

For flirting line with Kaidan you need to ask him about his biotics on hospital visit. On first one after auto cutscene you can click on him again and talk with him.

I think he doesn't do this for adepts? And he also doesn't talk "handsomeness" if you import?

It just figures that gay Shepard would be my canon adept. :-)

No he uses same line on Adepts as well. Also he founds a common point with Adepts. My main is also an adept.

As far as I know he uses "handsome" for fresh start Sheps. Probably he knows about crappy import results of ME3 and wise enough to not call import Sheps handsome.

Because he assumes we're all female, which... As you can see by my Shepard, he is most definitely not female.

<_<

Modifié par Xyraphius, 09 mars 2012 - 08:41 .

[devSin]

Asperius wrote...

I agree with depressing part. Game puts great weight on Sheps shoulders and I feel restless, weary and hopeless most of the time as things very very bad. Actually if I found myself smiling playing thru the game that comes as surprise. Also knowing endings and illogical part* (at least for me) of the story makes ME3 kind of stale.

It's just so... devoid of any sense of happiness or hope. I played Thessium earlier and I realized this simply isn't fun. The gameplay is great, better than ME2 in every way, but death and destruction and mayhem and horror and despair make it difficult to play through. I'm like, I'll fight through here, while everyone is dying, and then everyone will die, and then we'll accomplish nothing, and genocide and misery and failure.

I wanted to push through all the way to the ending, just to get it out of the way and maybe see if I could recuperate and gather the courage to play after some future DLC or patches, but I just couldn't do it.

I seriously am left wishing I had some opiate prescription around here somewhere. Maybe if I was doped out of my mind I'd be able to better navigate the black hole of emotion that is ME3.

Modifié par devSin, 09 mars 2012 - 08:29 .

[Xyraphius]

Asperius wrote...

*snip*
I seriously am left wishing I had some opiate prescription around here somewhere. Maybe if I was doped out of my mind I'd be able to better navigate the black hole of emotion that is ME3.

I'm too busy being an excitable creature(Yes, "creature") over Cortez. No despair, or misery, or genocide is going to bring down my enthusiasm from his adorable magic prowess!



Edit: Then again I also have no idea how the ending works out, but I've been hearing over and over that it's what the game is being slammed on for. We'll see.

Modifié par Xyraphius, 09 mars 2012 - 08:35 .

[devSin]

Asperius wrote...

No he uses same line on Adepts as well. Also he founds a common point with Adepts. My main is also an adept.

Ah, that's good to know. I've been mostly trying to pay not too much attention, because I still don't consider this a canon run (I'm mostly just running through to get a feel for some of it; I had planned on playing ME and ME2 again, although given how ME3 plays out, those plans are very much in jeopardy, as is ever having a canon run of ME3 at all).

Asperius wrote...

As far as I know he uses "handsome" for fresh start Sheps. Probably he knows about crappy import results of ME3 and wise enough to not call import Sheps handsome.

I'm not sure why. I mean, every Shepard saved him on Virmire, so they all have history, whether you import or not.

I would have preferred he dropped a stronger "gay" hint, although I'm typically against over-exposition in that area (I know some disagree, but I don't think it's necessary that they call attention to gender all the time, if at all). Probably my only real criticism of the way Shepard responds is that my gay Shepard would have been far more "it's about time" than "you and me? I'd like that", and I think "handsome" would probably have been a better way to set up an "I knew it" reaction from Shepard (who always knew, let's be honest). ;-)

Modifié par devSin, 09 mars 2012 - 08:45 .

[Knightly_BW]

devSin wrote...

Xyraphius wrote...

But when that CS was done and he sent me the e-mail inviting me to dinner, I didn't see any such convo. It was as though the romance never existed and he told me I was like a brother to him. I was pretty confused.

Because the game was obviously giving you female romance, but Kaidan's date is specific to progress in ME3.

The things you'd have to do to get the Kaidan date couldn't be done, because you were getting phantom Kaidan romance interaction before.

So you got the friendship luncheon.

That sounds reasonable to expect to me. It sucks that your saved game got borked, but you can't fault the game for not being able to tell quite what was going on. :-)

Yeah it is because your import is damaged, Xyraphius.

****SPOILER*****

Kaidan's normal imported Shep romance goes like this:
- Hospital visit. Give present. Ask about biotics and get "Are you flirting with me" line
- Date is kinda weird. After Udina crisis he asks you to join you on Normandy and become part of the crew again. You can get the romance scene right after this if you go Citadel Presidium again. He's sitting in a table just talk with him and date scene plays. However in story-wise he asks you about going out together on a convo after you rescue Cerberus Scientists. No matter how you get date scene it gives that "romancing someone" achievement.
- No date mails from him to my Shep. Only mails he got so far is from Liara (invited ot Cİtadel for friendship talk), Samantha (wanted a chess match) and Vega (who wanted to talk privately).

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[Xyraphius]

Asperius wrote...

Yeah it is because your import is damaged, Xyraphius.

****SPOILER*****

Kaidan's normal imported Shep romance goes like this:
- Hospital visit. Give present. Ask about biotics and get "Are you flirting with me" line
- Date is kinda weird. After Udina crisis he asks you to join you on Normandy and become part of the crew again. You can get the romance scene right after this if you go Citadel Presidium again. He's sitting in a table just talk with him and date scene plays. However in story-wise he asks you about going out together on a convo after you rescue Cerberus Scientists. No matter how you get date scene it gives that "romancing someone" achievement.
- No date mails from him to my Shep. Only mails he got so far is from Liara (invited ot Cİtadel for friendship talk), Samantha (wanted a chess match) and Vega (who wanted to talk privately).

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Yeeeah. I got plenty of emails asking me to visit him in the hospital. Wish I would have noticed sooner. I'd have started the playthrough completely fresh or messed around with the import save in ME2's save editor.

*Sigh*

Edit: On the bright side, at least I didn't have to play a female Shep to see how the romance works out that way.

Modifié par Xyraphius, 09 mars 2012 - 08:40 .

[Blue_Shayde]

i find this arguement about Liara's gender rather amusing. xD

I seem to remember back during ME1, Bioware trying to claim a relationship with an asari was not lesbian. That asari had no gender. And we all argued that the asari are very much obviously female, between their body and the way they address themselves, their daughters, their matriarchs. And now its finally been corrected to acknowledge that Asari are in fact an all female race and yes, its an s/s romance. And now we're arguing that Asari aren't actually female. xD

[devSin]

Asperius wrote...

Kaidan's normal imported Shep romance goes like this:

I know you don't have to do the liquor (I love how the bottle just floats in the air after the conversation, stupid rushed development). I don't think you have to get the flirt joke either (do you even have to talk to him again)?

I'm not sure what the criteria for it is exactly, though. I know somebody earlier said they knew a male player who got the date without even trying to romance him.

[Frozen83]

Daashi wrote...

Frozen83 wrote...

Actually, Asari are (humanoid) female-looking hermaphodites. They can also act as a father... M.

While the merging of nervous system seems to trigger Asari fertility, daughters are clones of their mother, there is no combining of two seperate DNA, merely the replication of a single set of DNA. So there is no "father" as least as we understand it, merely a second parent who is not geneticly related to the child. And for them to be hermaphrodites they need both male and female reproductive organs, they only have female reproductive organs; therefore the Asari are female.

And person reguardless of their gender or species can be the "father" of an Asari child, if a female human became the "father" of a Asari child that does make the woman in question a hermaphrodite? No it doesn't. It is merely a peculilarity of Asari biology that requires telepathic contact with another to give their fertility a kickstart.

True. But they need a "father" to be able to reproduce which can be another Asari. They are not exactly clones, but rather use only "mother's" genetic material and recombine it. Maybe "mother" and "father" are inaccurate descriptions. But rather "birthing partner" and "telepathic input partner". I don't know. In my mind, if an Asari can act as a "telepathic donor" or as "the one who gives birth", they are, at least, telepathically hermaphrodites. Of course, they look female and have feemale physiology (I guess), I was just trying to expand the definition of gender and sex beyond Earth . M.

[Frozen83]

Blue_Shayde wrote...

i find this arguement about Liara's gender rather amusing. xD

I seem to remember back during ME1, Bioware trying to claim a relationship with an asari was not lesbian. That asari had no gender. And we all argued that the asari are very much obviously female, between their body and the way they address themselves, their daughters, their matriarchs. And now its finally been corrected to acknowledge that Asari are in fact an all female race and yes, its an s/s romance. And now we're arguing that Asari aren't actually female. xD

Interesting observation. I guess it isn't lesbianism. It is asarianism. M.

[Knightly_BW]

devSin wrote...

I would have preferred he dropped a stronger "gay" hint, although I'm typically against over-exposition in that area (I know some disagree, but I don't think it's necessary that they call attention to gender all the time, if at all). But "handsome" would probably have been a better way to set up an "I knew it" reaction from Shepard (who always knew, let's be honest). ;-)

This is why I am alienating myself with date scene shepard response. I knew it maybe a bit out of context. However a simple "I'd love to" or "I was waiting to hear that" would be enough instead of a guy who tries so hard not to act gay. You know something to hint Shepard also had some feeling towards Kaidan. This is why I see that lines as bad slash fiction words. Not Kaidan's but Shepard's response to a guy who is pouring his heart out.

[devSin]

Xyraphius wrote...

Edit: Then again I also have no idea how the ending works out, but I've been hearing over and over that it's what the game is being slammed on for. We'll see.

Take all your hopes and dreams, and murder them. Slit their throats, watch the blood drain from them, and stomp their limp, lifeless corpses.

Then you will be prepared for the end.