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[Xyraphius]

devSin wrote...

Xyraphius wrote...

Edit: Then again I also have no idea how the ending works out, but I've been hearing over and over that it's what the game is being slammed on for. We'll see.

Take all your hopes and dreams, and murder them. Slit their throats, watch the blood drain from them, and stomp their limp, lifeless corpses.

Then you will be prepared for the end.

So you want me to take Cortez and do that to him?...

Well, damn. I'll keep that in mind.

Modifié par Xyraphius, 09 mars 2012 - 08:52 .

[Xyraphius]

*Deleted, accidentally hit quote instead of edit*

Modifié par Xyraphius, 09 mars 2012 - 08:51 .

[Blue_Shayde]

Asperius wrote...
This is why I am alienating myself with date scene shepard response. I knew it maybe a bit out of context. However a simple "I'd love to" or "I was waiting to hear that" would be enough instead of a guy who tries so hard not to act gay. You know something to hint Shepard also had some feeling towards Kaidan. This is why I see that lines as bad slash fiction words. Not Kaidan's but Shepard's response to a guy who is pouring his heart out.

As a long time fan who has had to resort often to slashing things in my own mind, i'm fully prepared to take what is given and rewrite it properly in my head to something I feel is right. xD 

From what I saw, both Shep and Kaiden act like blushing virgins...not even ready enough to at least hold the others hand after declaring their feelings. xD

[devSin]

Asperius wrote...

This is why I am alienating myself with date scene shepard response. I knew it maybe a bit out of context. However a simple "I'd love to" or "I was waiting to hear that" would be enough instead of a guy who tries so hard not to act gay. You know something to hint Shepard also had some feeling towards Kaidan. This is why I see that lines as bad slash fiction words. Not Kaidan's but Shepard's response to a guy who is pouring his heart out.

I think it fits more for me because I see Shepard as a bit of a dork.

His heart's in the right place, but it's not as if he's smooth with the fellas (he spends most his time keeping the peace and shooting people). And although I agree that the romance reads more like he's being led to the well than the reality (which is that he's been standing in line for three years, waiting for a drink), I don't doubt his sincerity with what they've provided.

His affection for Kaidan is there (particularly the last two or three auto-replies, or however many it was), and feels genuine (if not overtly masculine, which I agree can be a bit out-of-character with all the other interaction they force him into throughout the trilogy).

My primary complaint is how they never expand on anything until sexy-time. I guess we're going out and being close and having sex, but a line or two after "we're going out" that says something like "we are in fact going out, and we're happy" always never seems to be on the table. You don't have to be specific, but at least say somewhere before the end that we're a couple now. How hard could it be?

Modifié par devSin, 09 mars 2012 - 09:08 .

[devSin]

Xyraphius wrote...

So you want me to take Cortez and do that to him?...

Let's just say I wouldn't judge you too harshly for doing so, all things considered.

But who knows, you may just enjoy the game, ending and all. Let us know, whatever the case turns out to be.

Blue_Shayde wrote...

From what I saw, both Shep and Kaiden act like blushing virgins...not even ready enough to at least hold the others hand after declaring their feelings. xD

I think it's a bit light on passion, sure, but I don't think it fares much worse with the other romances. I mean, was Tali talking about linking suits and researching antibiotics any more "mature" than this date?

He also implicitly offers his body to you, or something like that (I'm still not sure quite what to make of the "benefits" line, actually). So it's not like they're solely discussing courtship and chaperoned dates. :-)

Modifié par devSin, 09 mars 2012 - 09:06 .

[Knightly_BW]

Blue_Shayde wrote...

Asperius wrote...
This is why I am alienating myself with date scene shepard response. I knew it maybe a bit out of context. However a simple "I'd love to" or "I was waiting to hear that" would be enough instead of a guy who tries so hard not to act gay. You know something to hint Shepard also had some feeling towards Kaidan. This is why I see that lines as bad slash fiction words. Not Kaidan's but Shepard's response to a guy who is pouring his heart out.

As a long time fan who has had to resort often to slashing things in my own mind, i'm fully prepared to take what is given and rewrite it properly in my head to something I feel is right. xD 

From what I saw, both Shep and Kaiden act like blushing virgins...not even ready enough to at least hold the others hand after declaring their feelings. xD

Now this tempts me to play a Shep who romanced Ashley then let her die. So maybe Kaidan/Shepard romance would make more sense.

Shepard even can't look straightly into eyes of Kaidan. My real life experiences speak volumes here... this is virgin act as you said. Not sexual virgin but gay relationship virgin straight guys who later admit they are bi/gay or deny everything and go on braging about how straight they are. However if my shepard ain't romanced so far and resist the charm of ladies throwing themselves at him, he shouldn't be act like that. Putting a simple "no romance" flag to that conversation and adding something more mature than bashfull gay virgin Shepard talk shouldn't be a problem... if you can think like that.

[Daashi]

devSin wrote...

Take all your hopes and dreams, and murder them. Slit their throats, watch the blood drain from them, and stomp their limp, lifeless corpses.

Then you will be prepared for the end.

Why on Earth did this make me laugh!?!

devSin wrote...

I think it fits more for me because I see Shepard as a bit of a dork.

I think the ME team do too considering Shepard's dancing. I know not the nicest of stereotypes (hey look at this guy dancing, you know only someone that dances that badly can only be a dork) but one that I find funny and so, so true (which is why I never dance).

[Xyraphius]

devSin wrote...

But who knows, you may just enjoy the game, ending and all. Let us know, whatever the case turns out to be.

I will most certainly do. I'll be playing it some more today once I've actually gone to bed and woken up.

I've been lurking around the forums here, as this is generally the first time I've posted extensively or been active within the community. As such, I haven't been to sleep yet.

Modifié par Xyraphius, 09 mars 2012 - 09:13 .

[Knightly_BW]

devSin wrote...

Asperius wrote...

This is why I am alienating myself with date scene shepard response. I knew it maybe a bit out of context. However a simple "I'd love to" or "I was waiting to hear that" would be enough instead of a guy who tries so hard not to act gay. You know something to hint Shepard also had some feeling towards Kaidan. This is why I see that lines as bad slash fiction words. Not Kaidan's but Shepard's response to a guy who is pouring his heart out.

I think it fits more for me because I see Shepard as a bit of a dork.

His heart's in the right place, but it's not as if he's smooth with the fellas (he spends most his time keeping the peace and shooting people). And although I agree that the romance reads more like he's being led to the well than the reality (which is that he's been standing in line for three years, waiting for a drink), I don't doubt his sincerity with what they've provided.

His affection for Kaidan is there (particularly the last two or three auto-replies, or however many it was), and feels genuine (if not overtly masculine, which I agree can be a bit out of character with all the other interaction they force him into throughout the trilogy).

My primary complaint is how they never expand on anything until sexy-time. I guess we're going out and being close and having sex, but a line or two after "we're going out" that says something like "we are in fact going out, and we're happy" always never seems to be on the table. You don't have to be specific, but at least say somewhere before the end that we're a couple now.

They have some lines. The Cerberus Scientist after dialogue starts something like that. Kaidan tries to flirt with Shep and he admits he needs to practice more. It was so sweet. This is why I simply fixed on date scene. Too out of context with later phases of romance. Or earlier if you please, my Shep asked Thane to watch over Kaidan with very very concerned tone. Also Kaidan says "He is happy to back on Normandy... very happy".

Yeah I keep poking him whenever I see him around.

I haven't romanced him yet and will take sometime to do it as I need to restart whole thing thanks to rushing. I don't want to miss Jack's mission on ME3 which has a very ugly outcome.

PS: Ah I forgot to mention that Ex-cerberus convo take place in soldier's sleeping room (forgot what its called atm).

[shepskisaac]

So do we know already if Diana romance grants Paramour achievement?

Also, I assume Samantha romance definitely grants it right? (despite what Cloasced bin file said)?

[devSin]

Asperius wrote...

Not sexual virgin but gay relationship virgin straight guys who later admit they are bi/gay or deny everything and go on braging about how straight they are. However if my shepard ain't romanced so far and resist the charm of ladies throwing themselves at him, he shouldn't be act like that. Putting a simple "no romance" flag to that conversation and adding something more mature than bashfull gay virgin Shepard talk shouldn't be a problem... if you can think like that.

Didn't he look directly when questioning Kaidan?

Afterward, I don't recall that he was actively avoiding eye contact with Kaidan (and aren't they looking straight at each other when talking about "benefits"?). Cinematically, I think they were trying to convey "deep thoughts" by giving him the faroff look out over the Presidium. I agree they probably should have just gone more personal and had them leaning over the table toward each other, but their approach isn't totally invalid, is it?

I always take staging second to story. The writer wrote what they intended, and the cinematic designer interpreted that as they felt best and within whatever limitations they have.

Asperius wrote...

They have some lines. The Cerberus Scientist after dialogue starts something like that. Kaidan tries to flirt with Shep and he admits he needs to practice more. It was so sweet. This is why I simply fixed on date scene. Too out of context with later phases of romance. Or earlier if you please, my Shep asked Thane to watch over Kaidan with very very concerned tone. Also Kaidan says "He is happy to back on Normandy... very happy".

I've been running around too quickly to really pay attention to the small bits, but I never saw much interaction that was romance-specific. The ridiculous sexual tension is there in the beginning, but I'm not sure I saw anything post-date that was more than that.

Toward the end, my fortitude was rapidly expiring, so I had to just plow through priority missions (I'm not sure how much I skipped that wasn't simply probing for space junk), and I also played for real up until Palaven (where I first decided to just rush ahead). Since I didn't know when Kaidan rejoined, I ended up doing a bunch of crap before Tuchanka, so I don't know what interaction I may have missed prior (and by the time he did come back, I just wanted it to be over as quickly as possible).

[devSin]

Daashi wrote...

devSin wrote...

Take all your hopes and dreams, and murder them. Slit their throats, watch the blood drain from them, and stomp their limp, lifeless corpses.

Then you will be prepared for the end.

Why on Earth did this make me laugh!?!

Sometimes, you need to laugh to distract yourself from the pain. ;-)

IsaacShep wrote...

So do we know already if Diana romance grants Paramour achievement?

I don't know. I got to the interview where I think you could hit on her, but I can't remember if it was before or after starting a Kaidan romance (I couldn't even get Liara to romance me, even after a billion conversations). I know I selected the top reply (I think something about telling her she can come up for extracurricular activities), but nothing happened. (And now the Paramour achievement is stuck in my profile, so I'll never know, sorry.)

I've not been paying attention to her, although she hasn't bothered me the way some people seem to hate her. I guess it helps having no idea who this lady is (same as with the MotA nonsense for DA2). She's not taking in any awards, but she does OK as far as I can tell.

Modifié par devSin, 09 mars 2012 - 09:49 .

[Necoc Yaotl]

It has not been easy trying to play a gay xenophile in this game. I guess I'll go weep in a corner on behalf of my Shepard for his terrible unrequited Garrus love.

[Knightly_BW]

IsaacShep wrote...

So do we know already if Diana romance grants Paramour achievement?

Also, I assume Samantha romance definitely grants it right? (despite what Cloasced bin file said)?

Diana who? I avoid that person like a plague. She looks like bad botox victim. I already dealed with two reporters don't need one another.

I can't avoid lame ninja assasin but I can avoid that blow up doll. However I remember posts about her being counted as fling, like Kelly.

Edit: Ah I was nearly forgeting to mention. Did anyone else noticed a woman arguing with an officer in Citadel Embassies? She was talking about her wife... very loudly.   One more point for gay marriage in galaxy.

Modifié par Asperius, 09 mars 2012 - 09:54 .

[Daashi]

Necoc Yaotl wrote...

It has not been easy trying to play a gay xenophile in this game. I guess I'll go weep in a corner on behalf of my Shepard for his terrible unrequited Garrus love.

*pats on back*  There, there. When in doubt, head-cannon it. That is my only advice.

Modifié par Daashi, 09 mars 2012 - 09:54 .

[Xyraphius]

Necoc Yaotl wrote...

It has not been easy trying to play a gay xenophile in this game. I guess I'll go weep in a corner on behalf of my Shepard for his terrible unrequited Garrus love.

Y'know... I thought Garrus was the best thing since sliced bread in ME1 and ME2. I had my little moment where I wished he was romanceable.

But then a whole slew of characters came along in ME3 and I just found him to be extremely boring and drowned out by the other characters. Their backstories have been more compelling and pulling.

Not to mention his comment when I missed the shot on his friendship hangout thing... I kind of rolled my eyes. He just became too... "Bro"sy for me.

[Blue_Shayde]

honestly, though, nothing Shepard does romance line wise can out-dork or out-facepalm Hawke's lines in Dragon Age 2. So many times I felt embarrassed by what came out of Hawke's mouth. xD

[Sporothrix]

Frozen83 wrote...

Blue_Shayde wrote...

i find this arguement about Liara's gender rather amusing. xD

I seem to remember back during ME1, Bioware trying to claim a relationship with an asari was not lesbian. That asari had no gender. And we all argued that the asari are very much obviously female, between their body and the way they address themselves, their daughters, their matriarchs. And now its finally been corrected to acknowledge that Asari are in fact an all female race and yes, its an s/s romance. And now we're arguing that Asari aren't actually female. xD

Interesting observation. I guess it isn't lesbianism. It is asarianism. M.

Technically it is of course lesbian, but it doesn't qualify as proper same sex romance. ME devs not so long time ago insisted that there's nothing lesbian in this romance for the same reason why Liara is the face of TV trope "DISCOUNT lesbians". Let me cite one sentence:

"This usually seems to be a device used within the story to maintain a status quo that lets the (presumed) audience watch two hot chicks making out without having to think about the associated real-world issues or feel threatened by the notion of a genuine relationship between two women with no need for a man."

Because of THAT romance with Liara doesn't qualify, it's only a substitute.

And aside of that romance, there's really nothing. Just because they called that written on the knee fling with Samantha as "romance" doesn't magically turn it into one.


BTW, even though you guys got two full fledged real gay romances, I hope you will support f/f cause. Propably when it comes to this game it won't change anything, but the fact is that lesbians got nothing, and if people won't say anything about it, it will happen again.

[Necoc Yaotl]

Daashi wrote...

*pats on back*  There, there. When in doubt, head-cannon it. That is my only advice.

I will have to. Yet, at the same time, it kind of pleases me because my Shepard will just forever be tortured by it. I'm kind of a character sadist. hahahaha

Xyraphius wrote...

Y'know... I thought Garrus was the best thing since sliced bread in ME1 and ME2. I had my little moment where I wished he was romanceable.

But then a whole slew of characters came along in ME3 and I just found him to be extremely boring and drowned out by the other characters. Their backstories have been more compelling and pulling.

Not to mention his comment when I missed the shot on his friendship hangout thing... I kind of rolled my eyes. He just became too... "Bro"sy for me.

Really? I thought he became incredibly fun and interesting in ME3. Hell of a lot more smartass-y. Wrex and Garrus have been my two most favourite characters, in that order, throughout all three games.

Thane was cool, too. Odd and totally not what I expected when I first met him, but cool. Again, this is my curse for trying to play my Shepard as a xenophile. There's no options for same sex manAlien love. So my Shepard has settled with a couple Asari in the past, and Tali.

[Blue_Shayde]

misoretu9 wrote...
BTW, even though you guys got two full fledged real gay romances, I hope you will support f/f cause. Propably when it comes to this game it won't change anything, but the fact is that lesbians got nothing, and if people won't say anything about it, it will happen again.

Well, I can't speak for others. But I've always believed in equal opportunity and rights for everyone. Straight, lesbian, gay, and anything between those. So of course, I believe you have as much right to s/s content as I would like with mine.

I'm just trying to understand the Liara thing, since she happens to be my favorite of the females in this game. That's all. But I can understand being unhappy about Sam having so little content compared to Cortez.

[Knightly_BW]

misoretu9 wrote...


BTW, even though you guys got two full fledged real gay romances, I hope you will support f/f cause. Propably when it comes to this game it won't change anything, but the fact is that lesbians got nothing, and if people won't say anything about it, it will happen again.

Personally I will. However I can't see a future for Mass Effect franchise. At least to Shepard's story. Hopefully there will be more games in Mass Effect Universe and you will get what you want... forget it... what you deserve.

As I said there is always a lesbian couple in game which is very lovely to see.

I don't brush aside Samantha tho'. I guess as this game is new people usually brush aside non-face to face conversations. Samantha has very nice side to side conversations with my shep. Maybe she ain't getting attention she deserved but she is very solid character. Keep in mind still playing with my main shep and probably it will take sometime to bring Tina (my lesbian or bi Shepard) to ME3. So can't comment on her romance.

I can see many things I would change in ME3. One of them is Kaidan equal of F/F romance. Not Ashley probably but Miranda or Jack would serve that purpose very good. I see Jack more closer to Kaidan. She didn't know love and seeing closeness from another human would lead to romance.

Using ME1 companions as party members but dismissing ME2 crew for side quest fodder seems wrong in the first place. On top of that giving new characters like EDI the Robot or Vega nearly insulting to guys like me who started playing ME games with second one. Tali and Garrus don't count as ME2 characters as they are also from ME1.

Okay I better stop before getting it out of topic.

In short, I will continue to support equality in Bioware games.

Modifié par Asperius, 09 mars 2012 - 10:31 .

[Knightly_BW]

I should watch where I am clicking. Not nice to quote myself, yes?

Modifié par Asperius, 09 mars 2012 - 10:32 .

[Frozen83]

misoretu9 wrote...
BTW, even though you guys got two full fledged real gay romances, I hope you will support f/f cause. Propably when it comes to this game it won't change anything, but the fact is that lesbians got nothing, and if people won't say anything about it, it will happen again.

Of course. That was never an issue. Everybody should be able to get married to whoever they want and be miserable ! M.

[Blue_Shayde]

I agree. I am a little annoyed that none of the ME2 characters have been in my party. And so far, they've mostly been the resident 'casualties' of the storyline. Albeit they went down strongly and honorably.

It'll be interesting if they do continue the series, if they provide s/s romances. Since they've sort of given it to us with ME3.

And yes...I still think Jack would have been an awesome s/s choice. xD I didn't think I'd like her, then I did. I didn't think she'd be a great teacher...but damn is she awesome. xD

[Knightly_BW]

I will re-start game just to get Jack's quest. As I moved Tuchanka/Geneophage so fast and school already crushed.

Miranda is killing me tho'. We talked second time and she ran off again. I know from leaks she is in serious danger but I can't help. She's always been a pain in behind but I love her anyway.