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[KoiWeiss]

Spatchmo wrote...
Kaidan's s/s romance didn't get the shaft, but Shepard sure did!

^this

[Knightly_BW]

makenzieshepard wrote...

Asperius wrote...

 Who are the new romance options for Male Sheps? I play my renegade shep as a jerk who doesn't care about what people's feelings. After cheating Ashley with Jack, Miranda and kinda with Tali he needs new lives to ruin.

What a jerk, I am so not telling you!    Your optionare Kaidan and Cortez, a fling with Allers or restarting/startting a romance with a squadmate from a previous game.

No way I sacrifice Kaidan to him so I think Steve got the shortest stick.

Thinking on Dash's perspective he is perfect victim. Emotionally vulnerable and easy to decieve... I wonder if he will get "I was waiting for the right guy" option... That will sound hilarious.

[Daashi]

Spatchmo wrote...

Kaidan's s/s romance didn't get the shaft, but Shepard sure did!

I know what you meant, but I still couldn't help but to snigger like a school child when I read this.

[Ailith Tycane]

KoiWeiss wrote...

*snip*.

This mentality makes no sense to me, because you would probably be complaining just as much if Kaiden wasn't available. It just seems greedy to tell people to "get over it" because they have had an iota of fanservice while you haven't had any and suddenly do. It's lame. The main reason why most people are confused and annoyed that Ashley isn't an option is because Kaiden is this time around. So how come they can logically justify Kaiden going from exclusively straight to at least bisexual and they can't do the same for Ashley? Because there have been more female LI's in the past? Because they decided to add Chobat as a bisexual bootycall that almost nobody wanted? I don't see how that's relevant, especially since the people who wanted Ashley as a S/S love interest were never saying that Kaiden SHOULDN'T have been an option.

[KoiWeiss]

Ailith430 wrote...

KoiWeiss wrote...

*snip*.

This mentality makes no sense to me, because you would probably be complaining just as much if Kaiden wasn't available. It just seems greedy to tell people to "get over it" because they have had an iota of fanservice while you haven't had any and suddenly do. It's lame. The main reason why most people are confused and annoyed that Ashley isn't an option is because Kaiden is this time around. So how come they can logically justify Kaiden going from exclusively straight to at least bisexual and they can't do the same for Ashley? Because there have been more female LI's in the past? Because they decided to add Chobat as a bisexual bootycall that almost nobody wanted? I don't see how that's relevant, especially since the people who wanted Ashley as a S/S love interest were never saying that Kaiden SHOULDN'T have been an option.

Actually I wouldn't have cared who I got as long as I got a male/male romance. I'm not saying that Ashley SHOULDN'T have been an s/s LI, what I'm saying is that the way game designers think the majority of the time is how best to placate the players and that rather than raging as to why Ashely wasn't an LI for s/s relationships they need to just take it at facevalue.

EX:
The players wanted more s/s LIs? Okay we'll give them two of each. 
Hmmmmm Liara is already one so we only have to make one other one.
****. We don't have any men in the series who enjoy the company of other men.
Let's make two- eh no, too much effort. 
Let's make one and then make another LI doubly as useful.
Who do we use?
Garrus?
No, too monstrous, then we'll get the same comments that Dragonage got about their elves. How we're "Dehumanizing" or "Making monsters out of" the gay male.
Thane?
He's dying.
Jacob?
Already slotted as a side character.
So that leaves... Kaidan?
PERFECT.
Doesn't that form some continuity errors-
SILENCE.

In any case there's no logical reason from my standpoint why she shouldn't have been an s/s LI, I mean any argument I can use to rationalize Kaidan is just as applicable to Ashley.

- They've known one another for a long period of time so the relationship grew slowly
- They were both extremely hurt by Shepard being a part of cerberus, arguably more than "just a friend" should ever be
- Their sexuality was never expressly stated
- Shepard is one charismatic jerk

It just needs to be taken at face value. They needed to fill a quota for s/s romance and unfortunately Ashley was skipped over.

[Quething]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Sinnerj117 wrote...
I heard it was a religious debate.

There's been no official word, so I'd treat that totally as a rumour. I wouldn't expect an explanation for a long time, if ever. 

My personal theory is that it's a case of "careful what you wish for." VS fans have been complaining since the ME2 launch that Kaidan and Ashley are not the same person, dammit, stop treating them that way.

Well... it's certianly a hell of a difference. <_<

I think the thing that frustrates me the most is that Ash *is* a new romance for dudeShep. Dammit, he already had his chance!

[Frozen83]

Daashi wrote...

But that goes back to my orgiinal question I posed, that you didn't answer. If a human female were to act as a "father" for an Asari child, does that make the human woman in question a hermaphrodite? By the explaination you give your theory it seems the answer is yes.

But surely the act of communting telepathically or engaging in some sort of telepathic bond shouldn't radically change your brain gender (this is of course purely hypotheothical, as telepathy as yet to be proven).

You are right. Since human do not reproduce the way Asari do, I would guess that Asari mind somehow makes human minds "donors" i.e. makes them "male" for the purpose of reproduction, regardles of actual sex of human. I would say,, simply, Asari are of female sex, but their minds during the matink process can act as female or male. On the other hand, with other species, other species minds must act as "donor" since asari can only be recipients in interspecies reproduction... Note the heavy quotes. Again, I'm not saying my point of view is the right one, just saying that it makes sense to me.

To stay at least somewhat ontopic - I've imported MShep with Liara as LI. Kaidan and Steve are totally friendly. No flirting, nothing. I like it. Will see on my next playthrough with foreveralone Shep . M.

Modifié par Frozen83, 10 mars 2012 - 12:42 .

[bas_kon]

Lmao. I just kicked Diana out of the Normandy. After she told my Shepard Kaidan was staring at her or somthing alike, I had the option to tell her "get the hell out of my ship!" and she was like "what did I do?" and my shep was "You know it". I'll just always recruit her to see that, hilarious.

[J-Reyno]

SonicZX wrote...

Reyno411 wrote...

I cannot romance Kaidan to save my life! Lol. I'm trying to do this with a maleShep and I am failing. I'm not getting any of the romance options, whatsoever. Any tips?

For reference this Shep is an import but has not been involved in a single romance... not even briefly. Made specifically for Kaidan. Is it because he's mostly renegade and isn't always super-nice to Kaidan? Agh... frustrating. For now I'm just setting this run aside because I have no idea what I'm supposed to do.

did you talk to him at the cafe after he rejoins you?

Yep, that's where I realized that I was locked out of the romance, as he stated that they were just friends.  Of course, even before that in the hospital I never got the "are you trying to flirt with me?" comment, and when I mentioned him getting better with age he also gave me the neutral response about having more experience instead of saying it was because he served under my Shep.  But I thought those were little things that wouldn't matter to the romance.  So maybe the problem was somewhere way back, but I have no idea what it could be.

Arik7 wrote...

You have to chose paragon options to advance a relationship, even if you are a renegade otherwise.  In most cases, this will not affect your allignment.

 

Starting to think this might be the case.  I think I might have to pretty much ALWAYS choose Paragon and completely suck up to Kaidan... but that's so very against my character it's ridiculous.  Especially since I still choose paragon options when I feel it's appropriate anyhow.

IsaacShep wrote...

Did you visit him at the hospital, bought him present and still expressed that you like him (even if in Renegade way)? I don't think being a Renegade would lock out the romance, unless you pick every single Renegade option even the ones that are blatantly super-rude to him

 

Yep, visited him as often as humanly possible.  Got him the present.  Even though I was a renegade sometimes I still chose paragon responses when I felt appropriate, especially in lines that I felt made it seem like my Shep genuinely cared about him.  I wonder if the citadel confrontation makes any difference.  I always go renegade in that situation and shoot Udina... he seems to take issue with that.  Still, I've heard that even if I don't shoot him Kaidan does so wtf lol.

Anyhow, well... I tried, dammit.  My biggest worry is that it might be because I was a jerk to him on Horizon, choosing pretty much every renegade response possible.  Still, I felt like that was justified because Kaidan wasn't too kind either.  But that'd mean it's basically impossible to romance him with my import Shep.

On to Steve, then!

Modifié par Reyno411, 10 mars 2012 - 01:37 .

[Criz]

bas_kon wrote...

Lmao. I just kicked Diana out of the Normandy. After she told my Shepard Kaidan was staring at her or somthing alike, I had the option to tell her "get the hell out of my ship!" and she was like "what did I do?" and my shep was "You know it". I'll just always recruit her to see that, hilarious.

I never even let her on my ship
actually by accident so to speak; when she asked to be allowed onto the Normandy I rejected because I thought she'd probably go to Udina or Hackett, so they'd order me to let her on bord, which I could have accepted as long as she knew I didn't like her <_<
alas, that didn't happen, so no reporter on my ship

[Daashi]

Okay people, take this from the burned. Don't watch a walkthrough!!! I honestly don't know if I want to play ME3 now. *pouts*

It started off simple enough, I wanted to see the male Shepard/Kaidan romance in context, but I got sucked in. Can Shepard do it? Can Shepard make it? And the answer is; NO!

And BTW what the **** is with the Normandy? What was it doing? Where is it going? How did the crew get back on to it when they were fighting on Earth?

And further questions, how come the decision is to destroy all AI, not just de-activate the Reapers? Why do we need to destroy the mass relays for it?

The last question; what is going to me, make us want to replay this game, this whole series if this is truely the outcome of it? I mean at the end of the Star Wars trilogy (the Original Trilogy) there is a party scene, is it too much for BW to give us a feel-good ending, or at least an epilogue that makes us feel that it was worth it. I want my escapism to be that, escapism; if I want to feel like s*** I would watch the news or read a newspaper!

*sarcasm*  And thanks BioWare for ripping off the endings of Deus Ex, way to move the art of storytelling foreward. What kind of RPG doesn't let the decisions you make throughout the game mean s*** when it comes to the final choice.

If anyone hears anything about this mysterious 4th ending (that is probably nothing more than a fool's hope started by some fans) I have heard about or about why we need a ME3 save for future use could you pass me a line.

[SierraGHOSTN7]

HJF4 wrote...

Astaiir wrote...

I have a question for FemSheps playing with modded file and romancing Ash.
Can you progress the relationship til the romance scene at the end of the game or is it just at the beginning of the game and in the hospital that femshep says things that MaleShep would have said?
I'm curious. I tried myself, but it didn't work - maybe I missed something, since I kinda rushed with the game.
I'd appreciate any help.

The voice files don't exist for female Shepard.

Yeah, they aren't recorded. But you could have romanced her in previous games if you played with the modded file. Here in ME3 I got some scenes with FemShep, where the voice lines weren't recorded, but the subtitles were and Shep acted as MaleShep.
I kinda rushed with the game, because I forgot I did some other decisions in previous games, different that I wanted, so I figured I'd better play all the games from the beginning. So, maybe I just missed some dialogues with Ash, since then the MaleShep scenes stopped.

KoiWeiss wrote...

As far as I'm concerned people need to get over not being able to romance Ashley with a Fem!Shep. Lesbian romance has been in the game since its conception because of Liara, and don't you try feeding me the "Oh well she's an alien whose race are all female so the concept of a lesbian doesn't translate to them.," line. Bottom line is that in Mass Effect 3 both male on male, and female on female relationships were given one main party LI and one supporting character LI. Lesbian romance was given Liara for the main party and Traynor for the supporting characters, and then I lucked out as a gay male and was given Kaidan Alenko (drool) for a main and Cortez for a support.

Just be happy that homosexual LIs are offered at all is what I'm getting at really, because goodness knows there are some ignorant fans out there who would have rather seen them never get off the ground.

Well, I won't get over with this. Liara was never appealing, she rather pushes away if you look at her in sexual way, but it's just my opinion. And I know that in ME3 there are Traynor and Allers for lesbian romance, both are uninteresting. It's nothing compared to Cortez.
I know it's good there are some homosexual LIs. I just find it unfair, that they made one VS homosexual, leaving other hetero. Especially when people asked for both to be romanceable for s/s. To be honest I really could buy a DLC if it would make Ash available for s/s.
But, I won't be angry, try to yell at anyone because of this. In the previous games you could have modded the Shep that she romanced Ash. Sure, there were some bugs, like somewhere in the game there was a MaleShep voice once or twice. No matter. Because you still got Ash if you wanted. And there were recorded lines for them too.

[bas_kon]

Criz-Zone wrote...

bas_kon wrote...
Lmao. I just kicked Diana out of the Normandy. After she told my Shepard Kaidan was staring at her or somthing alike, I had the option to tell her "get the hell out of my ship!" and she was like "what did I do?" and my shep was "You know it". I'll just always recruit her to see that, hilarious.

I never even let her on my ship
actually by accident so to speak; when she asked to be allowed onto the Normandy I rejected because I thought she'd probably go to Udina or Hackett, so they'd order me to let her on bord, which I could have accepted as long as she knew I didn't like her <_<
alas, that didn't happen, so no reporter on my ship

Lol. I don't like her either, and I was gonna do that but I wanted to try and see what could happen, and it was worth it.
I mean, she hit on me and I rejected her and then she said that thing about Kaidan and I kicked her off the Normandy very rudley, was priceless. My Shepard is so possesive with Kaidan!!! (he's been waiting for him for 3 years so he's not gonna let some PSP-licking chick even look at him) 

Modifié par bas_kon, 10 mars 2012 - 03:07 .

[Daashi]

Astaiir wrote...

Well, I won't get over with this. Liara was never appealing, she rather pushes away if you look at her in sexual way, but it's just my opinion. And I know that in ME3 there are Traynor and Allers for lesbian romance, both are uninteresting. It's nothing compared to Cortez.
I know it's good there are some homosexual LIs. I just find it unfair, that they made one VS homosexual, leaving other hetero. Especially when people asked for both to be romanceable for s/s. To be honest I really could buy a DLC if it would make Ash available for s/s.
But, I won't be angry, try to yell at anyone because of this. In the previous games you could have modded the Shep that she romanced Ash. Sure, there were some bugs, like somewhere in the game there was a MaleShep voice once or twice. No matter. Because you still got Ash if you wanted. And there were recorded lines for them too.

Well lets face it. If Ash was made a same-sex LI we would still complain;

- Ashley and Kaidan are not the same character, shame on BioWare for treating them so.
- There are more female same-sex LIs than male same-sex LI, the ME team are bias and not representing the gay/bi/lesbian community properly.
- I don't think that the romance was done properly.
- Continuity error.
- It's just fanservice. Not every character should be romanced by both male and female Shepards, that isn't how it works in real life.
- While we're at it, why not make every LI bi.

Do I need to continue. We are the internet crowd, if we weren't b****ing we would be silent.

Modifié par Daashi, 10 mars 2012 - 03:14 .

[Kitten Tactics]

Holy crap is the Traynor "romance" awful. One conversation and it's upstairs for game night? And ten seconds in, she is admiring your shower. It's like a bad porno.

[ElitePinecone]

Just had the Apollo Cafe scene with Kaidan. Excuse me for a sec.

THAT WAS SO SWEET!

Wasn't sure if I'd done everything correctly, but then the piano music started

(Also, Shep's autodialogue in Kaidan's first Normandy conversation, after the coup, was full of really weird lines like "Hell yeah!")

It looks like the "Have you ever known me to be with anyone?" line is for ME/ME2 imports, perhaps just new games get the line about someone handsome.

[ElitePinecone]

Daashi wrote...
snip

There's no 4th ending, apparently.

Bioware are making DLC for ME3. Michael Gamble (some kind of a producer, I can't really be bothered checking) said that they are working on some very interesting things, and that it was frustrating having to weather the fan rage when they had things in the works. 

I presume Bioware were surprised by the fan reaction, again. 

I don't know if they'll ever make it possible to have a different ending, or set of endings - I guess it depends on the value of satisfying fans versus defending their own vision. 

(I'm struck by just how fantastic the other 99% of the game that *ISN'T* the last five minutes is - I just can't believe the quality of storytelling they had going for so much of this amazing game turned into... whatever that was at the end.)

[noxsachi]

Daashi wrote...

Astaiir wrote...

Well, I won't get over with this. Liara was never appealing, she rather pushes away if you look at her in sexual way, but it's just my opinion. And I know that in ME3 there are Traynor and Allers for lesbian romance, both are uninteresting. It's nothing compared to Cortez.
I know it's good there are some homosexual LIs. I just find it unfair, that they made one VS homosexual, leaving other hetero. Especially when people asked for both to be romanceable for s/s. To be honest I really could buy a DLC if it would make Ash available for s/s.
But, I won't be angry, try to yell at anyone because of this. In the previous games you could have modded the Shep that she romanced Ash. Sure, there were some bugs, like somewhere in the game there was a MaleShep voice once or twice. No matter. Because you still got Ash if you wanted. And there were recorded lines for them too.

Well lets face it. If Ash was made a same-sex LI we would still complain;

- Ashley and Kaidan are not the same character, shame on BioWare for treating them so.
- There are more female same-sex LIs than male same-sex LI, the ME team are bias and not representing the gay/bi/lesbian community properly.
- I don't think that the romance was done properly.
- Continuity error.
- It's just fanservice. Not every character should be romanced by both male and female Shepards, that isn't how it works in real life.
- While we're at it, why not make every LI bi.

Do I need to continue. We are the internet crowd, if we weren't b****ing we would be silent.

-Their personalities are entirely different, even without bringing orientation into this. Just because they go through the same actions does not make them the same character.
-I think the vast majority of people who have been hoping for a lesbian LI would not count Liara as a s/s one. In either case Sheploo has way more LI's than Femshep so letting Ash be romanced would work to even that up.
-Possible, but from what I have seen of ME3 only the VS and Liara get decent romance arcs.
-Given that both VS's were written as bi in ME1...not having Ash be bi seems to me the bigger continuity error.
-As long as the romance is well developed and thought out it can surpass being fanservice, just throwing a romance at you and claiming it exists is more fanservicy than having a full one. *Cough*Tranyor*cough*
-I did not mind that in DAII, best way to make everyone happy.

[J-Reyno]

I have a question about Steve if anyone can answer. It contains a spoiler about the ending so if someone doesn't want to know don't read ahead....


.....in my playthrough Steve died during the final stretch as he was shot down by.... I think it was a harvester, not sure. Anyhow what I want to know is, does this always happen no matter what? I never got to the part where you go hang out with him at the club so I'm wondering if he died because I didn't "complete" his friendship or whatever. Can anyone enlighten me?

[Daashi]

ElitePinecone wrote...

I presume Bioware were surprised by the fan reaction, again. 

I don't know if they'll ever make it possible to have a different ending, or set of endings - I guess it depends on the value of satisfying fans versus defending their own vision. 

"Their own vision", *snorts sarcastically* the endings were a total rip-off of Deus Ex, I thought especially Deus Ex 2 in the execution of them (both DE they shared the same endings basically). Execpt in Deus Ex 2 we were given the "I choose not to choose" option (which I found insanely hard to do and never managed to do it, but it was there). The last 5 minutes of a trilogy of games is not the best place to turn it into classic Cyber-Punk.

And I hate this whole "this last decision is the only decision that truely matters" thing that several of the BioWare games have. What is the point of creating a world where every decision has consequences and can potientally change the rest of the game, just so the last decision can undo all the good/bad decisions that you have made.

Also didn't BioWare promise 5 or 6 different endings. We only get three and they suck!

Modifié par Daashi, 10 mars 2012 - 04:38 .

[Daashi]

noxsachi wrote...

Daashi wrote...

Astaiir wrote...

Well, I won't get over with this. Liara was never appealing, she rather pushes away if you look at her in sexual way, but it's just my opinion. And I know that in ME3 there are Traynor and Allers for lesbian romance, both are uninteresting. It's nothing compared to Cortez.
I know it's good there are some homosexual LIs. I just find it unfair, that they made one VS homosexual, leaving other hetero. Especially when people asked for both to be romanceable for s/s. To be honest I really could buy a DLC if it would make Ash available for s/s.
But, I won't be angry, try to yell at anyone because of this. In the previous games you could have modded the Shep that she romanced Ash. Sure, there were some bugs, like somewhere in the game there was a MaleShep voice once or twice. No matter. Because you still got Ash if you wanted. And there were recorded lines for them too.

Well lets face it. If Ash was made a same-sex LI we would still complain;

- Ashley and Kaidan are not the same character, shame on BioWare for treating them so.
- There are more female same-sex LIs than male same-sex LI, the ME team are bias and not representing the gay/bi/lesbian community properly.
- I don't think that the romance was done properly.
- Continuity error.
- It's just fanservice. Not every character should be romanced by both male and female Shepards, that isn't how it works in real life.
- While we're at it, why not make every LI bi.

Do I need to continue. We are the internet crowd, if we weren't b****ing we would be silent.

-Their personalities are entirely different, even without bringing orientation into this. Just because they go through the same actions does not make them the same character.
-I think the vast majority of people who have been hoping for a lesbian LI would not count Liara as a s/s one. In either case Sheploo has way more LI's than Femshep so letting Ash be romanced would work to even that up.
-Possible, but from what I have seen of ME3 only the VS and Liara get decent romance arcs.
-Given that both VS's were written as bi in ME1...not having Ash be bi seems to me the bigger continuity error.
-As long as the romance is well developed and thought out it can surpass being fanservice, just throwing a romance at you and claiming it exists is more fanservicy than having a full one. *Cough*Tranyor*cough*
-I did not mind that in DAII, best way to make everyone happy.

I wasn't creating arguments, I was merely stating that whatever happens, whatever choices are made for the story, there will always be someone who is unhappy and complaing about it.

[SierraGHOSTN7]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Daashi wrote...
snip

There's no 4th ending, apparently.

Bioware are making DLC for ME3. Michael Gamble (some kind of a producer, I can't really be bothered checking) said that they are working on some very interesting things, and that it was frustrating having to weather the fan rage when they had things in the works. 

I presume Bioware were surprised by the fan reaction, again. 

I don't know if they'll ever make it possible to have a different ending, or set of endings - I guess it depends on the value of satisfying fans versus defending their own vision. 

(I'm struck by just how fantastic the other 99% of the game that *ISN'T* the last five minutes is - I just can't believe the quality of storytelling they had going for so much of this amazing game turned into... whatever that was at the end.)

There is 4th ending.
*spoiler*
Not the choice, but ending scene, if you did everything right and had the paragon choice - destroyed Reapers. Shepard survives then.

And about the endings... I was actually pretty satisfied with the ending. I was into destroying Reapers and Shepard sacrificing. And it did. Pity Relays got destroyed.
Now I wish they'd do more DLCs.

Modifié par Astaiir, 10 mars 2012 - 04:36 .

[HopHazzard]

Reyno411 wrote...

I have a question about Steve if anyone can answer. It contains a spoiler about the ending so if someone doesn't want to know don't read ahead....


.....in my playthrough Steve died during the final stretch as he was shot down by.... I think it was a harvester, not sure. Anyhow what I want to know is, does this always happen no matter what? I never got to the part where you go hang out with him at the club so I'm wondering if he died because I didn't "complete" his friendship or whatever. Can anyone enlighten me?

If you complete his friendship or romance him, he survives the shuttle crash.

[Game_Fan_85]

devSin wrote...

Is it a conversation, or is it one of his "barks" (where they just stand around and throw some lines out)?

Is the "wake me up" thing part of a conversation, or is it also a bark?

I can't believe I was paying that little attention, but I guess it's to be expected from skipping side quests. :-)

It was a bark

HopHazzard wrote...

I didn't get the "why didn't you wake me?". When does he say that?

It was one of the random non interactive conversations in the observation deck.  I can't remember exactly when it happened, but it was probably a good few missions after the romance started.  I spoke to all characters after every mission, if you speak to him every time, you should hear it eventually. 

HopHazzard wrote...

If you complete his friendship or romance him, he survives the shuttle crash.

Very happy to hear that!  Someone in another thread told me he dies at the end and it was made clear.  I was confussed because he got shot down at the end but was fine.  I even had the farewell speech with him before the big battle.  Shame it's only via the holographic thingy.  I guess it wont be as sweet and tear inducing as Kaidan's was.  Well it may be, just not physical.

Modifié par Game_Fan_85, 10 mars 2012 - 04:56 .

[Daashi]

Astaiir wrote...

And about the endings... I was actually pretty satisfied with the ending. I was into destroying Reapers and Shepard sacrificing. And it did. Pity Relays got destroyed.
Now I wish they'd do more DLCs.

You were happy with then endings?  Every part of all endings?

Spoilers
The most I found jarring was the Normandy part of the endings. Why is the Normandy going through a mass relay, shouldn't it have been at Earth? And how did the crew get onto the Normandy when they were on Earth fighting? Just didn't make sense.

And the epilogue of the "Destroy" and "Control" choice, it was like watching a movie, where the main character has this amazing adventure, just to realize at the end that it didn't really happen, because before the beginning of the movie they fell asleep or something. Yeah, like a said jarring, and totally not to my liking.

Modifié par Daashi, 10 mars 2012 - 05:16 .