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[Daashi]

Game_Fan_85 wrote...

For BioWare to go with such a sh!tty over used cliche, it just baffles me.

I could have written better endings, I would have done it for free. Although I am starting to buy into the dream/hallucination theory now.

Modifié par Daashi, 14 mars 2012 - 06:43 .

[Game_Fan_85]

I am buying into that theory too, the more I think about it the more it makes sense. BioWare could have given the greatest cliffhanger ending ever if the game really is continuing but they blew it, big time.

[Daashi]

Game_Fan_85 wrote...

I am buying into that theory too, the more I think about it the more it makes sense. BioWare could have given the greatest cliffhanger ending ever if the game really is continuing but they blew it, big time.

But the fact remains that when the original game was brought out, it was marketed as a science-fiction RPG trilogy, where all the decisions you make throughout the game would culminate through the trilogy and affect the ending.

They left science-fiction RPG at the door; it is now an science-fiction action-adventure FPS with minor RPG elements (or in other words; Deus Ex). And while throughout the games choices you made carried on into the following games, but choices you made throughout the games didn't have any impact on the endings offered to you, and all three endings (I refuse to acknowledge Earth surviving or not as a seperate ending) are basically the same.

And when you think about ME2 DLC Arrival basically says that a destruction of a Mass Relay in a system will kill the lifeforms in the system. The Sol system has a mass relay in it, so the destruction of the relay will kill all life on Earth reguardless of whether or not Earth has been "saved".

EDIT: The whole hold onto your ME3 saves just screams we're making a ME4 and want to milk you (the fans) for all the money their worth. Wait wasn't it suppose to be a trilogy, and wasn't ME3 marketed as the end of that trilogy.

Modifié par Daashi, 14 mars 2012 - 07:54 .

[devSin]

I think it's nonsense, sorry. It would be nice, but I don't see how they could ever use it even were it true. And there's no set up at all for anything of that sort. No, they use the kid as a cheap plot device, and the clues you think you see are unintended. Just this once, the reality truly is as bad as it looks.

My greatest fear is that the ship parts come from some older finale, and they only reused them in the final version to give an illusion of closure for the ship and crew without having it actually mean anything in the context of the story. As terrible as the implication of those scenes are, the reality would be that they exist solely to offset some of the bleakness of the rest of the finale.

Maker save me, please don't let that be the case. I don't think I could handle it, to have the ship and crew tossed away so casually and mutilated beyond all recognition.

Modifié par devSin, 14 mars 2012 - 08:03 .

[vengerturtle]

Honestly, the indoctrination theory is the one I'm going with for my headcanon, but if that was what they were trying to convey, they did a ****** poor job of it in the story, which is really what's important. If it takes people days of digging to put together a coherent reason for an ending, it wasn't presented the right way in the game, which is really inexcusable imo. The ending was probably the most important part of this game and they messed it up so, so badly.

For something related to this thread: I finished my Kaidan romances and I've decided that I really like the m!Shep/Kaidan one more than the f!Shep/Kaidan one. My pairings are gonna be Kaidan for my Sheploo and Garrus for my femShep; I really loved both of those relationships so very much. They were perfect.

Modifié par missnicolec, 14 mars 2012 - 08:04 .

[Game_Fan_85]

Yea, Dashi, devSin, you are both right, I am still in heavy denial....

But if, just if there is some sort of continuation to end the game from the breath scene, I don't mean ME4 but an expansion for ME3 (ME3-2? Yea, keep putting sh!t on Japanese RPGs after that BioWare, haha) the fact that it is supposed to be a trilogy culminating with ME3 is the reason there should have been something said at the end of the game if any of it is true. How could they not expect this reaction otherwise?

I'll stop dreaming and go back to being depressed about the ending now.

Modifié par Game_Fan_85, 14 mars 2012 - 08:11 .

[Zandilar]

Daashi wrote...
EDIT: The whole hold onto your ME3 saves just screams we're making a ME4 and want to milk you (the fans) for all the money their worth. Wait wasn't it suppose to be a trilogy, and wasn't ME3 marketed as the end of that trilogy.

They might be making a game set in the aftermath of ME3, but it doesn't necessarily follow that it will be ME4.

I'm pretty sure I remember Bioware saying somewhere that Sheperd's story is over. I also recall them saying that they weren't done with the ME universe (though that could be my poor memory showing itself there, or wishful thinking).

I don't think they're done with the ME universe yet. The only reason I might be able to accept the endings as presented in the game, is if there's sufficent follow up to show us what the long term effects were. (And I'm never going accept a dead Shep, so I'll just keep trying until I have have Myrmeen Sheperd survive.)

Modifié par Zandilar, 14 mars 2012 - 08:13 .

[Game_Fan_85]

The problem with that is, Shepard is shown to be alive in the destroy w/4000+EMS so does he do a Hawke and Anders and just disappear after that?

[vengerturtle]

Zandilar wrote...

Daashi wrote...
EDIT: The whole hold onto your ME3 saves just screams we're making a ME4 and want to milk you (the fans) for all the money their worth. Wait wasn't it suppose to be a trilogy, and wasn't ME3 marketed as the end of that trilogy.

They might be making a game set in the aftermath of ME3, but it doesn't necessarily follow that it will be ME4.

I'm pretty sure I remember Bioware saying somewhere that Sheperd's story is over.

That doesn't mean they're done with the ME universe yet. The only reason I might be able to accept the endings as presented in the game, is if there's sufficent follow up to show us what the long term effects were. (And I'm never going accept a dead Shep, so I'll just keep trying until I have have Myrmeen Sheperd survive.)

The thing I'm curious about is: how do you make a game set after ME3 that adequately reflects what happens? You can have geth destroyed or working with quarians; no quarians or quarians who are settling their homeworld; krogan who may or may not be able to make babies, etc. And that's IF those races aren't so ****ed that they end up stuck on earth cause they can't travel home. And then you get to the end, where you can make everyone partially synthetic or leave everyone as they are. I'm not even sure they can do it. How do you make a game that can take all those different paths into account adequately, since there's a huge difference? I mean it's not even like Awakening for DA, where you can just continue on the game, unless they want to handwave the endings away and set up one as canon. It's partially why I'm so confused that they did this.

Modifié par missnicolec, 14 mars 2012 - 08:17 .

[Daashi]

I'm reading the Endings Thread and it is just ugly. Really f***ing ugly.

Comments like;
- Yeah the ending was unforgetable, just like being raped is unforgetable.
- If I meet Hudson, I'll make it an unforgetable expirence for him by kicking him in the balls.
- Definding BW about the endings is like defending someone who happy slapped a person in a wheelchair.

I just want to let everyone know that I do not approve of said comments, they are just shocking to me. Can I just say that I am happy that this threat hasn't degraded into that kind-of ugliness, granted it was a close call when Ashley was revealed to not be a same-sex romance option, but we haven't gotten that far. And I hope we never do.

[shepskisaac]

Yeah, many people are taking way too far. Especially the personal insults are ridiculous.

[Game_Fan_85]

Daashi wrote...

I'm reading the Endings Thread and it is just ugly. Really f***ing ugly.

Comments like;
- Yeah the ending was unforgetable, just like being raped is unforgetable.
- If I meet Hudson, I'll make it an unforgetable expirence for him by kicking him in the balls.
- Definding BW about the endings is like defending someone who happy slapped a person in a wheelchair.

I just want to let everyone know that I do not approve of said comments, they are just shocking to me. Can I just say that I am happy that this threat hasn't degraded into that kind-of ugliness, granted it was a close call when Ashley was revealed to not be a same-sex romance option, but we haven't gotten that far. And I hope we never do.

Those type of morons give us all a bad name.  There were few morons that kept trying to raid this thread from time to time but I am also impressed that they were fairly few.  The anti-gay threads were struck down and deleted pretty quickly too.  All credit to the BSN site for that.

[Cuddlezarro]

Daashi wrote...

I'm reading the Endings Thread and it is just ugly. Really f***ing ugly.

Comments like;
- Yeah the ending was unforgetable, just like being raped is unforgetable.
- If I meet Hudson, I'll make it an unforgetable expirence for him by kicking him in the balls.
- Definding BW about the endings is like defending someone who happy slapped a person in a wheelchair.

I just want to let everyone know that I do not approve of said comments, they are just shocking to me. Can I just say that I am happy that this threat hasn't degraded into that kind-of ugliness, granted it was a close call when Ashley was revealed to not be a same-sex romance option, but we haven't gotten that far. And I hope we never do.

neckbeards... *facepalm*

[devSin]

missnicolec wrote...

For something related to this thread: I finished my Kaidan romances and I've decided that I really like the m!Shep/Kaidan one more than the f!Shep/Kaidan one. My pairings are gonna be Kaidan for my Sheploo and Garrus for my femShep; I really loved both of those relationships so very much. They were perfect.

I think the Kaidan romance with male Shepard was splendid. I'm a huge fan of Luke's, and I worried what the new writer was going to do, but she rocked. She rocked and she burned down the venue.

I'll probably never do Cortez, simply because my only canon gay Shepard has been waiting for Kaidan from near the start.

I really wanted to see Ashley and Liara romances (I don't have any female Shepards to do, I'm not happy to say), but I just can't do the game again.

I could never romance anyone in ME2, thankfully. Creep city. :-)

missnicolec wrote...

The thing I'm curious about is: how do you make a game set after ME3 that adequately reflects what happens?

This was where I scratch my head.

Not only all the various plot choices, but the three choices in the finale should lead to drastically different settings (not just current state, but the whole setting would conceivably be different).

I have no idea where they're going. I'm not really interested in it at this point, though. Probably it's just going to be comics and novels and stuff for a while, although I have no idea what this team is going to do now (the DA team is happily working on DA3).

Modifié par devSin, 14 mars 2012 - 08:50 .

[shepskisaac]

Cortez made my pretty much forget about Vega. At first I was going to the Shuttle Bay mainly to talk to Vega, still bit bummed he wasn't an option, now it's all about Steve And he's almost perfect example how to make non-squadmate romance work. Not that I would complain if Vega was available for m/m romance, but Cortez (and Kaidan) is just so great for my Shep I'm pretty much fully satisfied with m/m side in ME3, I think BioWare did great and made up well for lack of any options in ME1/ME2

Modifié par IsaacShep, 14 mars 2012 - 08:52 .

[goodventure]

I really want to experience Steve's romance...

 ... but, saying yes to Steve, means saying no to Kaidan... 

Why didn't they have an ME1-esque "can't I just have the both of you?" line? I would LOVE to see both Steve's and Kaidan's reactions, ahahaha.

[vengerturtle]

devSin wrote...

missnicolec wrote...

The thing I'm curious about is: how do you make a game set after ME3 that adequately reflects what happens?

This was where I scratch my head.

Not only all the various plot choices, but the three choices in the finale should lead to drastically different settings (not just current state, but the whole setting would conceivably be different).

I have no idea where they're going. I'm not really interested in it at this point, though. Probably it's just going to be comics and novels and stuff for a while, although I have no idea what this team is going to do now (the DA team is happily working on DA3).

Exactly. A universe that continues with everyone being part synthetic should be vastly different from one that continues with everyone still the way they were before. With DA:O, the end result was the same no matter how you got there - dead archdemon. Then to avoid explaining what happened to your Warden, you started a new character in DA2 and they only had to worry about brief cameos. (Which also had the exact same ending - the Chantry blowing up). You can't just do that with these three endings, not with synthesis being an option; starting a new character doesn't fix that issue.

Sidenote: I'm rather excited for DA3, but then again I really enjoyed DA2 besides the recycled dungeons, so. I'm looking forward to more from that team of writers, I really am.

Modifié par missnicolec, 14 mars 2012 - 09:00 .

[Knightly_BW]

Maybe it is not a place to ask this but for this this thread is kind of sanctuary of sanity so asking here.

What makes Shepard so special for Reapers? Is he immune to indoctrination so they waited perfect moment (emotional stress from war and lost he lived thru ME3) to break him and achieve adding him to their ranks? Why they were after Shepard on ME2? Shepard is just one guy. As we can see Reapers even don't give a damn about whole united galaxy and brush them aside easily. What does Shepard have that any other human/alien don't?

Every hero in epic stories has some kind of unique quality. Luke was the first Jedi after long years, Warden in DA:O was one of the only two capable of doing something, Hawke was important figure in Kirkwall.

According to cinematic no matter which ending you pick Relays always destroyed... alien races stuck in Sol system which has only one planet with perfect living conditions for many of the races (Krogans, Salarians and Asari). Also only one leads to Shep survived end so even if there will be a Mass Effect 4 there won't be a Shepard... and no Kaidan. (

[shepskisaac]

goodventure wrote...

I really want to experience Steve's romance...

 ... but, saying yes to Steve, means saying no to Kaidan... 

Why didn't they have an ME1-esque "can't I just have the both of you?" line? I would LOVE to see both Steve's and Kaidan's reactions, ahahaha.

You can always go on a date with Steve first so then you won't even have to say no to Kaidan. If you're already in a relationship, Kaidan talks friendship during his scene (both for FemShep and mShep)

[New Display Name]

I think Shepard is supposed to be the greatest humanity has to offer.
S/he's nearly unstoppable in combat and is extremely strong willed. The latter makes him/her resistant (though not completely so) to indoctrination.

S/he was also upgraded by Cerberus.

[ElitePinecone]

devSin wrote...
I think the Kaidan romance with male Shepard was splendid. I'm a huge fan of Luke's, and I worried what the new writer was going to do, but she rocked. She rocked and she burned down the venue.

Who wrote Kaidan in ME3?

The thing I'm curious about is: how do you make a game set after ME3 that adequately reflects what happens?

This was where I scratch my head.

Not only all the various plot choices, but the three choices in the finale should lead to drastically different settings (not just current state, but the whole setting would conceivably be different).

I have no idea where they're going. I'm not really interested in it at this point, though. Probably it's just going to be comics and novels and stuff for a while, although I have no idea what this team is going to do now (the DA team is happily working on DA3).

Mac already said they weren't going to set anything after ME3, since (in his words) it's a wasteland. They couldn't possibly account for different universes based on the Synthesis/Destroy endings, for example. 

So presumably anything in the future would be set in the 30 years or so between humanity's discovery of the Mars ruins and the beginning of ME. There's plenty of material there to work with, especially if they're not making it as 'epic' as the Mass Effect series. 

[Game_Fan_85]

goodventure wrote...

I really want to experience Steve's romance...

 ... but, saying yes to Steve, means saying no to Kaidan... 

Why didn't they have an ME1-esque "can't I just have the both of you?" line? I would LOVE to see both Steve's and Kaidan's reactions, ahahaha.

That is the dilema.  Even though my second play is specifically for Steve, the hospital scenes had me thinking "Can Shepard really just be friends with Kaidan?"  But, I am determined that Shepard will be with Steve this time, that guy is too great.

[shepskisaac]

Game_Fan_85 wrote...

That is the dilema.  Even though my second play is specifically for Steve, the hospital scenes had me thinking "Can Shepard really just be friends with Kaidan?"  But, I am determined that Shepard will be with Steve this time, that guy is too great.

On the other hand, when Steve was talking how he feels alone in-between the missions, I had a "Can Shepard really just be friends with Steve?" moment, it broke my heart, I wanted my Shep to scream "You're not alone, you have me!!!" The guys's just made to me loved <333

[Frozen83]

I considered Kaidan for my second playthrough, but Steve is just someone my SHep needs at this point. With the whole galaxy going down the drain, my Shep didn't need someone "I never... You didn't... Wow, we are... Urm, this is awkward...", but rather "I thought I felt something!" guy. M.

[Knightly_BW]

Heh it seems I am alone in my Steve/Kaidan resolution. No matter how I try I can't see more than a friend in Steve. Maybe it is because of Kaidan. Relationship between Kaidan and Shep is deeper. If I go for Steve it will surely feel like a pity sex... To be honest I feel more sorry for Kaidan than Steve. Steve at least had a lovely husband. They loved each other greatly. Kaidan on the other hand feels like fought with feeling he has for Shepard all those years. Saying no to Kaidan is more cruel.

Only option I have for Steve romance is my renegade shep if Ashley won't trust him after spending that much credit for her... Tho' Shep only gave her a book probably eat flowers and chocolate himself.

I can't believe Ashley heard our little fling with Jack. I bet Ken and Gabby spill the beans. I knew I shouldn't get back them to Normandy. Also if you did the quickie with Jack don't try to compliment to her new looks. >.<

Only other romance I wonder in ME3 is Samantha. Still need to bring myself to play my femaleShep.