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[Knightly_BW]

IsaacShep wrote...

Game_Fan_85 wrote...
Kaidan was so sweet, am I the only one that felt like screaming at Shepard "Show some feeling man!  You aren't signing a damn contract!"  That's how it felt to me.  They could have at least hugged for crying out loud.  I get to paragon kiss Steve, why not Kaidan?

Meer's just not the best with romance lines. Ain't different with m/f romances either. In 90% of all romances he sounds like he's talking to a friend, in the remaining 10% (Tali romance from ME2), he sounds like a sex offender lol. Hale may sometimes sound like a sex offender too (Jacob romance lol), but especially in ME3 she sounded good in romances, like she really cared. It ain't that big of a deal to me, I've accepted long time ago that Meer's just not super-stellar in this role and frankly, I don't care what and how he says things. Shep is still a RP character even if BW tried damn hard to make him/her more pre-defined in ME3. To me it's all about my choices and what I think and how characters respond to it. Shep's lines are just platform to deliver what I chose in the game. Steve and Kaidan's voice actors carry the m/m romances well enough on their own.

Hmm I like maleShep (Meer) voice acting too much. He reflects emotions very well. Problem with Kaidan date scene is not how he voiced the lines but what written in them.  I find female shep lack of any important emotion thru ME2 how ever from what I see on my femShep run  up to the Mars she shows great emotions now.

I think voice acting side of ME is flawless.

[shepskisaac]

Asperius wrote...

You can't kiss Kaidan because that scene is more like Shepard settles for Kaidan (forgive my language here) as he can't find anything good to f**k. As you said Shep takes a logical decision there... That guy is hitting on me, I am alone for 3 years.... My balls are blue... Better get laid before end of the world. Kaidan Romance:Approved.

It makes a bit sense with Shepards have prior romances. However for non romanced Shep a simple "I'd like to" accompanied with a smile would work like magic. I think writer was trying make scene more emotional and maybe more logical to himself.

BioWare tried to insert an explanation why GayShep haven't been with anyone. The problem with that is that it's an in-game explanation of something that was cause by real-world reasons. GayShep didn't have an option to be with anyone in ME1/ME2 or even express his gayness other than not hooking up with the girls. The "waiting for the right man" option in Cortez' date has the same problem. It works for someone who didn't want a romance or had previous romances with females, but for most GaySheps, who wanted to be with someone and met tons of guys in ME1/ME2 but couldn't because Bioware didn't allow it, it doesn't make sense. My Shep wanted to say "I haven't been with anyone because Bioware didn't let me!" lol. Similar thing was with Tali and the entire "but you didn't say anything!", well yeah, because he couldn't in ME1. Personally, I simply neglect these in-game explanations and proceed to happy romance stuff. It doesn't bother me much, at worst I headcanon my Shep as a ******

[Knightly_BW]

IsaacShep wrote...

Asperius wrote...

You can't kiss Kaidan because that scene is more like Shepard settles for Kaidan (forgive my language here) as he can't find anything good to f**k. As you said Shep takes a logical decision there... That guy is hitting on me, I am alone for 3 years.... My balls are blue... Better get laid before end of the world. Kaidan Romance:Approved.

It makes a bit sense with Shepards have prior romances. However for non romanced Shep a simple "I'd like to" accompanied with a smile would work like magic. I think writer was trying make scene more emotional and maybe more logical to himself.

BioWare tried to insert an explanation why GayShep haven't been with anyone. The problem with that is that it's an in-game explanation of something that was cause by real-world reasons. GayShep didn't have an option to be with anyone in ME1/ME2 or even express his gayness other than not hooking up with the girls. The "waiting for the right man" option in Cortez' date has the same problem. It works for someone who didn't want a romance or had previous romances with females, but for most GaySheps, who wanted to be with someone and met tons of guys in ME1/ME2 but couldn't because Bioware didn't allow it, it doesn't make sense. My Shep wanted to say "I haven't been with anyone because Bioware didn't let me!" lol. Similar thing was with Tali and the entire "but you didn't say anything!", well yeah, because he couldn't in ME1. Personally, I simply neglect these in-game explanations and proceed to happy romance stuff. It doesn't bother me much, at worst I headcanon my Shep as a ******

Well said. It is silly to trying an explanation for retconned romance option(Kaidan) and triple closeted gay Shepard. Instead writer should let it flow naturally. Sometimes simple option is the best one.

Hmm now I wonder if I should edit Matt's save and rescue Ashley instead. Want to see what that ****** will say to Ashley.

Did you read all the lines of Kaidan, Isaac? Does he ever mentions Kelly to romanced female Shep, like Ashley/Jack thing.

[New Display Name]

It's seriously not that bad.
I took the scene as Shepard being so focused on the mission (or whatever else) that he never considered the thought of being with Kaidan. Even if your Shepard is gay, that can happen.

If you think this hurts roleplaying - so would Shepard implying that he was lusting after Kaidan all this time. Being mission/etc focused however explains why there was no direct flirting in the first two games.

[Game_Fan_85]

IsaacShep wrote...

Meer's just not the best with romance lines. Ain't different with m/f romances either. In 90% of all romances he sounds like he's talking to a friend, in the remaining 10% (Tali romance from ME2), he sounds like a sex offender lol. Hale may sometimes sound like a sex offender too (Jacob romance lol), but especially in ME3 she sounded good in romances, like she really cared. It ain't that big of a deal to me, I've accepted long time ago that Meer's just not super-stellar in this role and frankly, I don't care what and how he says things.

I have a similar feeling to Meer's Shepard, I have never played FemShep so I can't compare but athough I like his voice and the way he portrays Shepard most of the time, I always thought he could sound a bit flat and robotic at times.  I think he was fantastic in ME3 overall, best performance by far.  Considering the tone of the game, he needed to nail it.  When the Kaidan date scene played I was thinking that he did an OK job but it seemed a bit undersold.  I was actually a bit worried that it would be a bit lame with that begining.  That feeling faded with the following convos and comments from Kaidan and thankfully,  the romance scene and farewell were beyond fantastic in wirting and performance. Strangley, watching the scene again after seeing the whole romance, I like his performance during the date more now.

I can't remember anything about the acting of the romances with Ashley and Jack.  lol@sex offender

IsaacShep wrote...
It's a testimony to how well they pulled off our 2 m/m options in ME3, both are great and many people actually have a hard time deciding, more replayability potential

Absolutely 110% agree.  It took them long enough but damn it, they did an amazing job in the end.  It's harder to not think about "what could have been" with the previous games now.  Bah, have to try not to think about it.

[shepskisaac]

Asperius wrote...

Well said. It is silly to trying an explanation for retconned romance option(Kaidan) and triple closeted gay Shepard. Instead writer should let it flow naturally. Sometimes simple option is the best one.

Perhaps, but then again, it would come out of nowhere for Shep. So frankly, I don't know what would be the best solution here. I just don't really care what Shep says. My Shep said "When I saw an oppurtunity to get rid of the Council, I did it" in ME1 but in ME3 he was railroaded into something like "I didn't have a choice, I wanted to save them but Sovereign blah blah". I just don't care, my choice was to get rid of the Council and that's what I'm sticking to.

Asperius wrote...
Did you read all the lines of Kaidan, Isaac? Does he ever mentions Kelly to romanced female Shep, like Ashley/Jack thing.

AFAIK, no one ackowledges Kelly sexing.

[Game_Fan_85]

IsaacShep wrote...

]The "waiting for the right man" option in Cortez' date has the same problem. It works for someone who didn't want a romance or had previous romances with females, but for most GaySheps, who wanted to be with someone and met tons of guys in ME1/ME2 but couldn't because Bioware didn't allow it, it doesn't make sense. My Shep wanted to say "I haven't been with anyone because Bioware didn't let me!" lol.

I thought the same thing

Modifié par Game_Fan_85, 14 mars 2012 - 02:31 .

[ElitePinecone]

Well, to be fair - Shepard never really did meet the right man, because the game never allowed it.

Perhaps "Waiting for the right man" is entirely correct, because off-screen Shepard got rejected by every single one of the thousands of people he courted

Even if you maintain that Shep was pursuing a dozen people (and Kaidan and, say, Balak) in ME/ME2, it never happened - call it, I don't know, universe-scale bad luck or something.

It's not as elegant as providing several dialogue choices, but I can see why it was done.

[shepskisaac]

omg @ Balak Elite xDDD

As for several dialogue choices, this reminds of me of conversation with Ash about God/being religious. Damn, just how good it was? Where was like 5 options to pick to represent Shep's opinion on God/religion. Stuff like that shows how much ME3 got backwards in customizing your Shep...

Modifié par IsaacShep, 14 mars 2012 - 01:58 .

[Game_Fan_85]

HJF4 wrote...

It's seriously not that bad.
I took the scene as Shepard being so focused on the mission (or whatever else) that he never considered the thought of being with Kaidan. Even if your Shepard is gay, that can happen.

If you think this hurts roleplaying - so would Shepard implying that he was lusting after Kaidan all this time. Being mission/etc focused however explains why there was no direct flirting in the first two games.

It wouldn't have to be that he was lusting over him exactly, just that there was always feelings there.  Hell, the looks and dialogue between Shep and Kaidan on Mars give that feeling, that face of Shepard as he looks at the beaten, possibly dying Kaidan as Liara tells him it's crucial they get to a hospital was heartbreaking.  Not to mention the first hospital visit

[shepskisaac]

Game_Fan_85 wrote...

Not to mention the first hospital visit

That scene was so suggestive I couldn't believe it ANd personally, I interpet Shep's words during Kaidan date scene as being surprised that it's finally happening after years of lusting for Kaidan, not that Shep only discovers his feelings for Kaid And I stick to it because the dilalogue can be totally interpreted like that

[Knightly_BW]

Yes after reading your thoughts about that date scene, I won't mind it anymore. Thanks for clearing it up. I wish they could do Kaidan romance available from the first game.

In general I am kinda not pleased with ME franchise's evolving nature. From gameplay to romances ME3 perfect. My intention was trying to play ME1 after burn out by ME3 but can't feel like it.

As they said ME3 is the last one of the Mass Effect games, I hope they can come up with something using ME3 story, game mechanics and romances.

[Game_Fan_85]

IsaacShep wrote...

ANd personally, I interpet Shep's words during Kaidan date scene as being surprised that it's finally happening after years of lusting for Kaidan, not that Shep only discovers his feelings for Kaid And I stick to it because the dilalogue can be totally interpreted like that

I think that's why I liked it more after finishing the game.  His reaction went so well with the "I'll never know what I missed" line.  Seeing the whole thing put the date in a different perspective for me.

[shepskisaac]

Asperius wrote...

Yes after reading your thoughts about that date scene, I won't mind it anymore. Thanks for clearing it up. I wish they could do Kaidan romance available from the first game.

We would all want it to happen since day 1, but I'm glad it happened at all. After ME2 didn't have any m/m romances, I was sure it was too late for anything. Glad I was wrong. And frankly, to have this romance start late has its own charm. Same with Steve being "the right man" Shep was waiting for so long if you weren't interested in Kaidan or other LIs from ME1/ME2. The power of headcanoning These m/m romances simply feel even more special and rewarding because our GaySheps been waiting so long for them. It's a bit like a personal reward for GayShep for all he's done for others and the Galaxy and never got anything for himself

Asperius wrote...
In general I am kinda not pleased with ME franchise's evolving nature. From gameplay to romances ME3 perfect. My intention was trying to play ME1 after burn out by ME3 but can't feel like it.

As they said ME3 is the last one of the Mass Effect games, I hope they can come up with something using ME3 story, game mechanics and romances.

I'm scared what they will come up with. Scared as in "they will probably just make action adventure/shooter game". God knows I enjoyed BioWare's gameplay style of Kotor/JE/ME and I often defend them on so many areas, but even I think that action adventure games and shooters, with pre-definied pratagonists seem to be their main inspiration nowadays. Like when Mac Walters was talking how inspiring Uncharted 2 was. I was like "Ohhh no...". But it surely explains some things in ME3. We'll see. Hoping for the best, but I'm totally prepared that their next game/granchise will be even more streamlined/pre-defined than ME2/ME3. Not that I don't like action adventure games, but that's not what I was looking for in Bioware games.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 14 mars 2012 - 02:27 .

[ADLegend21]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Zandilar wrote...

Overall, I'd have to say I'm not happy with their treatment. Of all the couples in the game, why did it have to be the f/f couple that were exemplars of how NOT to conduct yourself in an relationship? (And with a bad ending too!)

Uh, Jacob and femShep?!

Or any of the romances where Shepard cheated on someone. 

I thought the asari-human couple just cleverly gave more background to the war atmosphere - we had maimed soldiers, traumatised veterans, civilians contributing to the war effort, why not the old staple of partners back home finding new love?

^that

if you romaned Jacob, you're completely forgotten. He's moved on and Brynne gets to act like she's the best for taking your man. That's worse than any of the endings imo.

[goodventure]

IsaacShep wrote...
We would all want it to happen since day 1, but I'm glad it happened at all. After ME2 didn't have any m/m romances, I was sure it was too late for anything. Glad I was wrong. And frankly, to have this romance start late has its own charm.

Agreed.

but then I saw Dana's vid of the modded ManShep/Kaidan romance in ME3, if you modded your Shep to have a previous romance with him. (youtu.be/Q7lD2sHdGVA)
The extra lines are... amazing... <3

You basically get everything FemShep got, except the date scene remained the same (it still plays out as if you were only friends in the past), and of course, the extended parts of the love scene.

Do you guys think it's better that this relationship started late?  What if it did actually start in ME1?  I have a feeling BioWare would've made it somewhat different to accomodate for M/M.

But going back to having it start late, I just really like the feeling of "after all this time... finally, Kaidan, you and me? HELL YES!".  The whole date scene felt like a major victory.

Modifié par goodventure, 14 mars 2012 - 02:38 .

[Knightly_BW]

Maybe it's me but to me it feels like Bioware exprementing with their late games, ME3 and DA2. While many things in ME3 better than ME2 some points went backward... like auto responses. DA 2 totaly flapped out. Yes fast combat system is better than DA:O maybe but adding endless waves to make combat longer was wrong. DA2 also suffered with rushed and poorly executed story. Story is interesting how ever they tried to create a Shepard in one game. So in the end DA2 fall flat on its face while ME3 storywise (endings are okay, not counting after credits part) best in recent years. You are collecting other games investment in story during ME3, this cause unique emotional adventure no game can reach easily. I still insist they should make DA2 as 1 game and 2 expansions for each act to reach Shepard quality.

To be honest I was expecting a fall down on DA performance because DA:O was nearly flawless game... They set stardarts too high for themselves. DA:O was in production for many many years. To be honest other than David Gaider's stories in game my expectations for DA 3 ain't that high.

I hope they can find perfect balance between action (to gain new players) and story (for keeping old players).

[shepskisaac]

goodventure wrote...

But going back to having it start late, I just really like the feeling of "after all this time... finally, Kaidan, you and me? HELL YES!".  The whole date scene felt like a major victory.

Which is why I'm not bothered much that we didn't get it from ME1. Wondering about "what if" won't change anything or make me feel better/worse so I just don't think about it too much. I'm just happy it's here and enjoying it as much as I can Finally my GayShep can be happy, with 2 great guys (not 2 at the same time of course xD)

[Knightly_BW]

@goodventure

I think from Kaidan's point of view, Kaidan/Shep relationship's past makes sense for me. At first game Kaidan was good friend, probably didn't think Shep more than a friend (maybe we can put blame one still biased society of humans. Also he comes from a family of soldier/military based father). When he thought he lost Shepard forever his feeling got deeper and grown into love which bloomed at first opportunity; hospital visit during ME3.

Maybe not long winded romance like Kaidan/femShep or maleShep/Ashley but suits perfectly to triolgy.

[jack of tears]

So, just starting the attack on Cerberus now and it doesn't look like FemShep gets a chance with Ash, Tali, or Miranda, eh? Man, I was hoping one of those options would open up in the third game.

Especially since, after events in ME2 my Shep really started realizing the problems with a human/asari relationship - Liara's going to live a thousand years and assuming I don't die in this war I'll live another 50, getting older and more of a burden all the time. We won't be able to grow old together, if we have a child I won't be able to watch my daughter grow up, I'll live out my formative years with her while to her I'll just be a small part of her long life. Your new aid in the third game just doesn't have the history to make for a satisfying relationship in the last chapter; I really would have liked to have a same sex love interest from one of the previous games for my FemShep closer to her actual lifespan. My choices seem to be, "tell the Asari I want to marry her or sleep with the new fling du jour".

[Daashi]

Asperius wrote...

Maybe not long winded romance like Kaidan/femShep or maleShep/Ashley but suits perfectly to triolgy.

I still like my head-canon. Where Shepard didn't make a move in ME1 because he was Kaidan's superior officer and Kaidan was someone who wouldn't but themselves out there like that because while Ash and Kaidan has their issues, Ash's were more about her career and Kaidan's were about relationships.

Which is why I think the treatment of the VS respective stance on same-sex romance with Shepard made sense. Because Ash if she wanted it, she would have said so, but Kaidan struck me as someone who has gotten burned more than once in reguards to relationships and so would have held himself back.

While loved the female Shepard/Kaidan romance in ME1 I got the impression that Shepard was railroading him into it (and despite the society of the ME universe of men and women being equal) we are playing it in today's society and its attitude towards what is and isn't acceptable for the behaviour for men or women can colour our outlook on the game. So a male Shepard having the same relationship dynamic as the female Shepard could have had male Shepard coming off as predatory and inappropriate.

[evisneffo]

Hi guys,

I've lurked in this thread on and off for a long time but never posted, for silly reasons. Can I just say how great it is that your fight for the love got results! I was one of those people crossing fingers for Ash/female Shepard, and the news on that is sad, but there are options at least (and I'm really happy to hear about male Shepard/Kaidan!) and that they're there at all is fantastic. Thanks folks

[ladyofpayne]

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We love Vega and want DLC romance with him
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Modifié par ladyofpayne, 14 mars 2012 - 05:01 .

[Daashi]

ladyofpayne wrote...

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/325/index/9876821
We love Vega and want DLC romance with him
www.gopetition.com/petitions/james-vega-romance-dlc-for-mass-effect-3/signatures.html
Here is the petition.
For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. - Matthew 7:8
Guys we need your voice.

Would that be just for female Shepards or for Shepards of both genders?

Edit: How do you sign it?

Modifié par Daashi, 14 mars 2012 - 05:49 .

[ladyofpayne]

Both. I editet the petition but it's don't shows here for now.
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Use button Sign petition and write your name family and country.