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[shepskisaac]

HJF4 wrote...

You don't have to buy him anything.
I got the comment without doing so.

I didn't when I did not buy the whisky. I specifically reloaded with the same settings and the same options with the only difference being that I didn't buy him present and he didn't think I was flirting.

Unless of course either me or you enountered yet another of endless ME3 bugs lol

[Frozen83]

Some headcanonning here please, people; have been dry for few weeks now, need something to read tomorrow . M.

[Chaotic Loon]

HJF4 wrote...

How early can you reaffirm a relationship with Liara? I can understand with Tali romance Shepards because Tali isn't recruited at that point.

2nd conversation aboard the Normandy I think...which can be done as soon as you can explore the Normandy...or mabye after meeting Udina/VS on the cidatel.   Had it on my guy yesterday, not sure if it has locked out the other romances at this stage though, heres hoping not.   I do really like Liara...although I think I prefer her as a close friend. Time to give Steve a chance, now that there is (sadly) no Kaidan competition in this playthrough.

Modifié par Chaotic Loon, 14 mars 2012 - 10:43 .

[Zandilar]

jack of tears wrote...

So, just starting the attack on Cerberus now and it doesn't look like FemShep gets a chance with Ash, Tali, or Miranda, eh? Man, I was hoping one of those options would open up in the third game.

Especially since, after events in ME2 my Shep really started realizing the problems with a human/asari relationship - Liara's going to live a thousand years and assuming I don't die in this war I'll live another 50, getting older and more of a burden all the time. We won't be able to grow old together, if we have a child I won't be able to watch my daughter grow up, I'll live out my formative years with her while to her I'll just be a small part of her long life. Your new aid in the third game just doesn't have the history to make for a satisfying relationship in the last chapter; I really would have liked to have a same sex love interest from one of the previous games for my FemShep closer to her actual lifespan. My choices seem to be, "tell the Asari I want to marry her or sleep with the new fling du jour".

You know, I thought it was heavily implied that Shep's life span was increased by an unspecified amount of time due to the Lazarus project. Theoretically, TIM's meddling has rendered Shep immortal. The only way I can see them bringing Shep back from burnt and decaying tissue and shattered bone (Shepherd was literally dead) is with extensive use of nano technology. And if those nano machines have repaired tissue once, they could, theoretically, repair those cells over and over again.

I was disappointed that they didn't make more of this in ME3, given what I know of the endings.

[Siansonea]

noxsachi wrote...

Game_Fan_85 wrote...

I'm more than impressed by the exclusive gay characters. I think it was David Gaider that said doing an exclusive gay character was a waste of resources due to the limited audience it would receive. I absolutely understand and support that statement. Yet here we are with exclusive gay characters in a BioWare game and best of all, Steve at least, was an actual fully developed, wonderful character which quite frankly I never expected. I expected Sam to be far more developed and Steve to be a throwaway, afterthought. I am so glad I was wrong, thank you BioWare.

<_
And her romance is abreviated, the shortest and least developed of any of what I would call the main romances. She gets no date scene, she gets nothing off the Normandy; hell if you romance her you miss out on the chess sequence, which is brilliant!

So yeah...while I am very happy that you finally got your man and Steve is an amazing character, the sideling of the lesbian character does not sit well with me, at all.

I feel the same way. While I'm glad Steve was awesome, I am very disappointed that Samantha was so underdeveloped. I wanted to know who she had left behind in the impromptu exodus from Earth. But she seems to have had no ties on Earth, or none that we hear about. I wanted some emotional weight to the character, like we have with Steve, that just never showed up. Oh, and I wanted to see her off the Normandy. I could totally see her hanging out with EDI and Joker in the Presidium Commons, or perhaps tagging along after Liara. What we have of Samantha is good, I just wish there was more of it.

[Siansonea]

Zandilar wrote...

jack of tears wrote...

So, just starting the attack on Cerberus now and it doesn't look like FemShep gets a chance with Ash, Tali, or Miranda, eh? Man, I was hoping one of those options would open up in the third game.

Especially since, after events in ME2 my Shep really started realizing the problems with a human/asari relationship - Liara's going to live a thousand years and assuming I don't die in this war I'll live another 50, getting older and more of a burden all the time. We won't be able to grow old together, if we have a child I won't be able to watch my daughter grow up, I'll live out my formative years with her while to her I'll just be a small part of her long life. Your new aid in the third game just doesn't have the history to make for a satisfying relationship in the last chapter; I really would have liked to have a same sex love interest from one of the previous games for my FemShep closer to her actual lifespan. My choices seem to be, "tell the Asari I want to marry her or sleep with the new fling du jour".

You know, I thought it was heavily implied that Shep's life span was increased by an unspecified amount of time due to the Lazarus project. Theoretically, TIM's meddling has rendered Shep immortal. The only way I can see them bringing Shep back from burnt and decaying tissue and shattered bone (Shepherd was literally dead) is with extensive use of nano technology. And if those nano machines have repaired tissue once, they could, theoretically, repair those cells over and over again.

I was disappointed that they didn't make more of this in ME3, given what I know of the endings.

Point of order, decay wasn't really an issue with the Lazarus Project, and in the Cerberus base in ME3 they refer to Shepard being "brain dead" rather than simply dead, which to me implies that he hadn't gone into complete organ failure or necrosis, but simply suffered a great deal of physical trauma and brain death. I could see Shepard being brought back from the brink of death, even technical brain death (after all, this happens even now), but being revived from utter corpsedom is absurd. I could even buy into Shepard's memories being intact through nanotechnology that TIM cribbed from the Reapers/husks. They do reanimate the dead, after all, so it's not too farfetched that Reaper/husk technology could be adapted to resurrecting a recently-dead person. Cerberus would have had to swoop in to get Shepard right after the Collector attack though. Hmmmm, do you suppose TIM had advance knowledge of the Collector attack on the original Normandy?

Modifié par Siansonea II, 14 mars 2012 - 10:58 .

[Siansonea]

IsaacShep wrote...

I don't mind Steve's dead husband at all. This happened months/year ago, and he never compares Shep to him once the romance starts. He really does closes that chapter thanks to Shep's help, before anything between Shep & him starts. I like both romances for various reasons but it's understandable some people prefer Steve's and some Kaidan's. That's why it's better that we have 2 options and not just 1. It's the best for me since they're both perfect for my Shep so I get 2 romances hehe >

I didn't mind this either. In real life, my own mother remarried—remarried—less than four months after the death of her first husband, my biological father. I was only 7 months old at the time, so I don't remember the circumstances, but geez, the math. Steve is an old widower by comparison.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 14 mars 2012 - 11:00 .

[Blue_Shayde]

It is interesting that most of the s/s relationships I've seen are asari related. though most relationships i've seen period in ME3 had an asari in it. (with just one or two human couples popping up)

I got a m/m vibe from the guy in the Purgatory bar, though. And there were two guys at the docking station standing close together while one pointed at the sky. I chose to believe they were a couple as well.

[Akrim_Drak]

Siansonea II wrote...

Zandilar wrote...

jack of tears wrote...

So, just starting the attack on Cerberus now and it doesn't look like FemShep gets a chance with Ash, Tali, or Miranda, eh? Man, I was hoping one of those options would open up in the third game.

Especially since, after events in ME2 my Shep really started realizing the problems with a human/asari relationship - Liara's going to live a thousand years and assuming I don't die in this war I'll live another 50, getting older and more of a burden all the time. We won't be able to grow old together, if we have a child I won't be able to watch my daughter grow up, I'll live out my formative years with her while to her I'll just be a small part of her long life. Your new aid in the third game just doesn't have the history to make for a satisfying relationship in the last chapter; I really would have liked to have a same sex love interest from one of the previous games for my FemShep closer to her actual lifespan. My choices seem to be, "tell the Asari I want to marry her or sleep with the new fling du jour".

You know, I thought it was heavily implied that Shep's life span was increased by an unspecified amount of time due to the Lazarus project. Theoretically, TIM's meddling has rendered Shep immortal. The only way I can see them bringing Shep back from burnt and decaying tissue and shattered bone (Shepherd was literally dead) is with extensive use of nano technology. And if those nano machines have repaired tissue once, they could, theoretically, repair those cells over and over again.

I was disappointed that they didn't make more of this in ME3, given what I know of the endings.

Point of order, decay wasn't really an issue with the Lazarus Project, and in the Cerberus base in ME3 they refer to Shepard being "brain dead" rather than simply dead, which to me implies that he hadn't gone into complete organ failure or necrosis, but simply suffered a great deal of physical trauma and brain death. I could see Shepard being brought back from the brink of death, even technical brain death (after all, this happens even now), but being revived from utter corpsedom is absurd. I could even buy into Shepard's memories being intact through nanotechnology that TIM cribbed from the Reapers/husks. They do reanimate the dead, after all, so it's not too farfetched that Reaper/husk technology could be adapted to resurrecting a recently-dead person. Cerberus would have had to swoop in to get Shepard right after the Collector attack though. Hmmmm, do you suppose TIM had advance knowledge of the Collector attack on the original Normandy?

My headcanon ending would be destroy with Shepard ending up back on Earth in bad shape and Miranda getting called in to help patch him back up. They made such a big deal about her I could only imagine her surviving and going out of her way to try and get him back from the brink. Almost dead is far better than all the way dead! Lazarus 2.0!

[Arik7]

There's talk of a DLC where Shepard ends up on the Normandy, crashing on the jungle planet, which is inhabited by an unknown hostile alien race.   I hope the rumor is true, as the current endings do not provide closure to the trilogy.

Modifié par Arik7, 14 mars 2012 - 11:26 .

[jack of tears]

Siansonea II wrote...
I could see Shepard being brought back from the brink of death, even technical brain death (after all, this happens even now), but being revived from utter corpsedom is absurd

After hearing about the "surprise twist" I was expecting, throughout much of the game, to learn that Shepard was - effectively - a Reaper, having been brought back through the use of Reaper technology.  It would then have been revealed that the reason she was able to so quickly convince people to join her on the suicide mission, and then convince so many races to follow her to war, was that she had been - unknowingly - indoctrinating them to her cause.  It would turn out that she had been working into the Reapers' ultimate plans for some time and the war effort was really just a smoke screen to cover up something else they were doing ... only through some chance was she able to discover this, thwart their efforts and then use their own plans against them in the end in order to save humanity and the galaxy at large.  

[Akrim_Drak]

I just want a picture of Shep and Kaidan sitting out on the porch at Kaidan's place in Vancouver or wherever it was overlooking the ocean, finally being able to relax and retire. How would a porch look in the future? Just sitting there, Kaidan with his head on Shep's shoulder, finally free of it all... Le sigh.

[Blue_Shayde]

I see lots of balconies in the citadel. =P


hah, just got javik to talk about me and my 'human soldier'. *cough*kaiden*cough* xD

Modifié par Blue_Shayde, 15 mars 2012 - 04:10 .

[PsyrenY]

jack of tears wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
I could see Shepard being brought back from the brink of death, even technical brain death (after all, this happens even now), but being revived from utter corpsedom is absurd

After hearing about the "surprise twist" I was expecting, throughout much of the game, to learn that Shepard was - effectively - a Reaper, having been brought back through the use of Reaper technology.  It would then have been revealed that the reason she was able to so quickly convince people to join her on the suicide mission, and then convince so many races to follow her to war, was that she had been - unknowingly - indoctrinating them to her cause.  It would turn out that she had been working into the Reapers' ultimate plans for some time and the war effort was really just a smoke screen to cover up something else they were doing ... only through some chance was she able to discover this, thwart their efforts and then use their own plans against them in the end in order to save humanity and the galaxy at large.  

Sheptrination? That would be a cool twist indeed, even as it was a blow to my ego.

Though do remember that you can play your shep as being a social fail if you want.

[Zandilar]

Siansonea II wrote...
Point of order, decay wasn't really an issue with the Lazarus Project, and in the Cerberus base in ME3 they refer to Shepard being "brain dead" rather than simply dead, which to me implies that he hadn't gone into complete organ failure or necrosis, but simply suffered a great deal of physical trauma and brain death. I could see Shepard being brought back from the brink of death, even technical brain death (after all, this happens even now), but being revived from utter corpsedom is absurd. I could even buy into Shepard's memories being intact through nanotechnology that TIM cribbed from the Reapers/husks. They do reanimate the dead, after all, so it's not too farfetched that Reaper/husk technology could be adapted to resurrecting a recently-dead person. Cerberus would have had to swoop in to get Shepard right after the Collector attack though. Hmmmm, do you suppose TIM had advance knowledge of the Collector attack on the original Normandy?

We know (for a canon fact*) that Cerebus was not right there to scoop up Shep's body after the Collector's attack... They had to get the body (by pretty much hiring Liara) from the Shadow Broker, who had aquired it on behalf of the Collectors... who WERE there at the time of the attack, but still didn't retrieve Shep's body for some reason or other. So, time would have passed, cells would have started to decay by the time anyone got the body. We also know that Shepard was at least partially burnt up on reentry, because it certainly looked that way when we saw it happening, and during the ressurection montage in ME2.

In any case, there's pretty much no way Cerebus got to Shepard while she was still alive. She would have been dead in all senses of the word. (Suffocated, burnt, frozen, falling impact - all fatal.)

There was a reason it was called the Lazarus project.

* From the Mass Effect: Redemption comic.

[vengerturtle]

For some reason I'm thinking that someone somewhere mentioned Shep's brain being mostly intact? I could have sworn someone did. I always figured that that + him being technically brain dead meant that they'd recovered most of his head/brain at least, and the rest of him they rebuilt. Which might be why they go with "brain dead" - maybe the brain was one of the few parts that they recovered mostly intact and that was the first part that they brought "back to life", so to speak. Just watching the scene where he partially burns up in orbit, taking into account how hard he must have hit the ground, and the time it took to get him to a lab somewhere where the revival attempts started...I would definitely lean towards him being pretty much dead. If they really did use advanced tech, Reaper tech or whatever, it's not that much of a stretch to imagine they brought him back to life if you only look at the science of it and not the philosophical aspects (i.e. what about the soul,etc). At least imo.

[Frozen83]

missnicolec wrote...

they'd recovered most of his head/brain at least

maybe the brain was one of the few parts that they recovered mostly intact

Oh, this is hilarious! I can picture Liara and Feron digging on Alchera, searching for Shepard...
"I've got left foot!"
"Here's another pinky finger..."
"I think this is an ear. Or maybe a nipple?"
"Found head! Yaaay!"

Good times! Reminds me of an old, dirty and disgusting joke... M.

[Knightly_BW]

Last night finally I tried Steve romance but not working for me. My renegade shep send Ashley away because of renegade option so needed someone to keep his mind out of war. Steve maybe handsome than Kaidan but something doesn't click for me. I can imagine Kaidan and Matt in future but with Steve it is only feels like one night stand, like Jack renegade sex. Shep needs it, Steve needs it and they do it. No real emotion in there.

With Kaidan it feels like romance to me. Even with that weird date talk from Shep. Kaidan cares for Shepard. He wants Shepard because he is the man he wants. Not first person available to him.

I gave up my Renegade shep run as without Kaidan and renegade choices, ME3 lost too much. However Shep's reply to Hackett about Salarian/Krogan support (if you trick Krogan about genephage) is the most disturbing and evil thing I see in game so far.

[Zandilar]

missnicolec wrote...

For some reason I'm thinking that someone somewhere mentioned Shep's brain being mostly intact? I could have sworn someone did. I always figured that that + him being technically brain dead meant that they'd recovered most of his head/brain at least, and the rest of him they rebuilt. Which might be why they go with "brain dead" - maybe the brain was one of the few parts that they recovered mostly intact and that was the first part that they brought "back to life", so to speak. Just watching the scene where he partially burns up in orbit, taking into account how hard he must have hit the ground, and the time it took to get him to a lab somewhere where the revival attempts started...I would definitely lean towards him being pretty much dead. If they really did use advanced tech, Reaper tech or whatever, it's not that much of a stretch to imagine they brought him back to life if you only look at the science of it and not the philosophical aspects (i.e. what about the soul,etc). At least imo.

Ashley, Thane, and Liara's respective faiths notwithstanding, the Mass Effect universe seems to be athiest. Spoiler: Liara's deity turns out to be a prothean, for example. So I think the issue of a soul is... well... beside the point of what Cerebus did.

That they had Shepard's brain, that they were able to use technology to literally breathe life back into her, implies that there's no soul. A person's personality, the game implies, is all in the brain.

Modifié par Zandilar, 15 mars 2012 - 10:19 .

[Ailith Tycane]

Zandilar wrote...

That they had Shepard's brain, that they were able to use technology to literally breathe life back into her, implies that there's no soul. A person's personality, the game implies, is all in the brain.

Or according to parappa the rapper; "Kick, punch, it's all in the mind."

[ElitePinecone]

To be honest I don't think the team were thinking of metaphysics when they wrote the Lazarus Project. Or physics, even.

Bringing this kicking and screaming back to the topic: the original post wondered if Shepard would ever be brought back with a second Lazarus Project in some sort of post-ending DLC.

Aside from some of the endings where Shepard is either melted into goo or controls the Reaper fleet as it flies away, or is crushed by a giant exploding space station...?

I don't think it's likely

(and if the request is for a happy rainbows unicorns ending with the LIs, that can easily be done with pre-ending DLC that just gives another option for enough War Assets)

[Knightly_BW]

Zandilar wrote...

missnicolec wrote...

For some reason I'm thinking that someone somewhere mentioned Shep's brain being mostly intact? I could have sworn someone did. I always figured that that + him being technically brain dead meant that they'd recovered most of his head/brain at least, and the rest of him they rebuilt. Which might be why they go with "brain dead" - maybe the brain was one of the few parts that they recovered mostly intact and that was the first part that they brought "back to life", so to speak. Just watching the scene where he partially burns up in orbit, taking into account how hard he must have hit the ground, and the time it took to get him to a lab somewhere where the revival attempts started...I would definitely lean towards him being pretty much dead. If they really did use advanced tech, Reaper tech or whatever, it's not that much of a stretch to imagine they brought him back to life if you only look at the science of it and not the philosophical aspects (i.e. what about the soul,etc). At least imo.

Ashley, Thane, and Liara's respective faiths notwithstanding, the Mass Effect universe seems to be athiest. So I think the issue of a soul is... well... beside the point of what Cerebus did.

That they had Shepard's brain, that they were able to use technology to literally breathe life back into her, implies that there's no soul. A person's personality, the game implies, is all in the brain.

Science doesn't believe existence of what it can't prove. Until science finds a way to prove there is something called "soul" exist, most science fiction works will probably dismiss it.

As once a good writer said; If you want to work on science fiction you need to understand science. If you want to work on fantasy fiction you need to understand religion.

[Daashi]

I was just reading one the Mass Effect articles Forbes had put up. Yes, Forbes, is commenting on the Mass Effect situation better the "professional" gaming "journalists".

And this is a comment I found hilarious and just wanted to share with the rest of you;

SailorHarry87
Casey Hudson is the Illusive Man, Bioware is Cerberus, and EA are the Reapers. Those that say the ending was fine and the rest are whiners, are sucumbing to the indoctrination.

I believe this is a comment on the entire "dream/halluication/indoctrination" theory that is floating around. And seriously if I have to buy my ME ending, well I haven't bought anything from Maxis in almost two years because of what EA is doing to The Sims brand. And BioWare seems to be the only company out there making the RPGs that I never knew I wanted to play until my first BW game (KOTOR).

[Knightly_BW]

ElitePinecone wrote...

(and if the request is for a happy rainbows unicorns ending with the LIs, that can easily be done with pre-ending DLC that just gives another option for enough War Assets)

Enough war assest has nothing to do with endings I believe. Main point of endings is making a choice. You can have all the war assest in the world but you still need to go in there and make that choice.

I wrote my happy ending in my head depending on the out come of ending. Kaidan is still alive after all. Heh maybe they should do a DLC starring your LI which ends up in jungle planet (I still think it is Africa ). In which you can make your LI go to Shep's picture and mourn. Just like the Sims where your sim can cry over his lost ones' tombstone.

[Ailith Tycane]

Asperius wrote...
should do a DLC starring your LI which ends up in jungle planet (I still think it is Africa )...

How could it be Africa when there are two large moons/planets visible in the sky from the ground? It's definiately NOT Earth.