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[Quething]

Zandilar wrote...
(Where are the f/f fans? Why aren't we talking about the Liaramance and the Samance?)

There's not much to say. We didn't really get what we wanted, so there's not much to squee about. And the series is over, so there's no real point to talking about what we'd like in the future. There was some cathartic ranting and joking a while back as the frustrated Ashmancers commiserated with each other and worked out our disappointment, but I think catharsis was mostly achieved and thus there was no reason not to disperse.

I mean there's nothing new to say about the Liaramance, it's always been there. And there's nothing much to say about the Samanthamance, because there's virtually nothing to it. So. :kanyeshrug:

Anyway, no one could find any non-asari f/f couples or confirmed m/m couples of any kind, huh? I sort of expected as much. 

[Daashi]

Quething wrote...

Anyway, no one could find any non-asari f/f couples or confirmed m/m couples of any kind, huh? I sort of expected as much. 

I thought Steve and Robert were a confirmed m/m couple, or is it because Steve is an LI it isn't considered vaild.

[Chaotic Loon]

Sigh...reading the Mass effect final hours thread kills any desire to finish my replay...sorry Steve, mabye I'll replay and romance you if I ever get a men in black memory wipe

Multiplayer is very addictive, chaotic and fun though...does ease the pain..

[bleetman]

Given how bland and generally uninteresting Ashley is in ME3, I'm largely considering her lack of romance option to be a blessing in disguise.

[jlb524]

Quething wrote...
I mean there's nothing new to say about the Liaramance, it's always been there.

I think there's plenty to say about the new stuff (or squee over new pics), but the f/f Liara fans hang in the Liara thread.

[AtlAggie]

Posting here because it seems the best place to express my disappointment that there aren't more S/S options for FemShep. Wish they had made Ash a bisexual option like Kaiden.

Not too upset as I'm pleased s/s romances were included at all, and I'm looking forward to seeing how the m/m relationships play out (so far I've only done FemShep/Liara). But still, I feel like it wouldn't have been that hard to open up Ashley to f/f romance, and would have given us another option. Oh well...

[Daashi]

bleetman wrote...

Given how bland and generally uninteresting Ashley is in ME3, I'm largely considering her lack of romance option to be a blessing in disguise.

It seems her little "makeover" has come with unintended side affects.

[bleetman]

How much Samanthamance content is there, anyway? I didn't actually go with it on my playthrough, but I did notice I couldn't actually talk to her towards the end when you're back on Earth. Is it just the 'woo showers' thing and a scene before the cerberus base?

I mean, Garrus had romance related content coming out of his ears. It was great.

[Aurellia]

Not making Ashley ss is especially ridiculous given that almost all of the dialog (so far) works for either gender Shepard. I am about to get to the citadel date scene and so far the only line that had a gender reference was the one on Mars where FemShep answers to a question like "I don't know if you are still the guy I fell in love with." by saying I am that guy. Other than that the dialog I have encountered is completely gender neutral.

I'll keep you guys posted to see if my modded SS Ashley import continues to progress.

Modifié par Aurellia, 15 mars 2012 - 09:08 .

[Quething]

jlb524 wrote...

I think there's plenty to say about the new stuff (or squee over new pics), but the f/f Liara fans hang in the Liara thread.

Well, I meant more in terms of s/s. Unless anyone's up for the fifteen thousandth round of "is femShep/Liara a lesbian relationship." For Kaidan and Steve there's a lot to say about how realistically/respectfully the romances were implemented, and there's also I think a bit of a split fanbase in terms of most of the Kaidan thread being femShep players - I know I never hang in the Ashley threads because to them, Shepard is a dude and Ash is straight and it's just so far from my own experience of the game that I can't even join the conversation - so I'd expect even a lot of the general squee to happen here where there's already a different community who all view Kaidan from that slightly different perspective. But Liara fans and Liaramancers have been polyShep from the beginning, and Liara's implications as a s/s option are among the most cadaverous horses on the forums, so you really don't have either of those factors to pull discussion here from the Liara thread.

bleetman wrote...

Given how bland and generally uninteresting Ashley is in ME3, I'm largely considering her lack of romance option to be a blessing in disguise.

I'm sorry, Bleet, but I'm afraid we can't be friends anymore. 

More seriously though, yeah, you can really feel the writer changeover. Particularly I'm wondering where her sense of humor went. (I guess she gave it to Shep? MainShep was always painfully sincere and a her only jokes were the little self-depreciating straight lines she offered Ashley during their flirting. But ME3's autodialog made a snarky badass of her.) Though I think romancers got a fair bit more content, so if nothing else it'd be nice to access that. (Or at least have the option to get halfway decent responses to her on Mars without having to hack the game....)

[Abispa]

Garrus and Tali, sitting in a tree. K I S S I N G...

[Abispa]

As for Ashley, I'm okay with her o/s relationship in ME3 since she acts like MY Ashley from ME1. I am sorry that she wasn't s/s, not for me, but for the s/s fans. It really strikes me as odd that she isn't a s/s option since she required the least "retcon" of either of the VS. Not that I mind the s/s Kaidan one bit. I'm curious to know how long it took IsaacShep to sober up after the party.

[bleetman]

I could think of at least one way Ash's friendship path could've been improved: have her get drunk with vega and Shepard, rather than just with Vega.

I mean, one of the things that impressed me with the Garrus romance stuff (and I have no idea if this is still the case in a friendship path, but I'd largely assume it is) is how the two visibly lean on each other for support. When one's questioning their decision and starting to crack under the pressure, the other has their back. They're there for each other. With hot turian dickings.

Ash just has none of that anymore. There's a bit of a DA2 feel to her now, where everyone's having a party but the player character wasn't invited, only just specific to her. She just seems... distant. Removed. She's not the sister-in-arms she was in ME1. She's just kind of there.

Can't speak to her romance content, but I don't really feel like it'd solve any of that.

Quething wrote...
(Or at least have the option to get halfway decent responses to her on Mars without having to hack the game....)

What do you get to say with an active romance? I felt reasonably satisfied with the array of renegade I've-had-enough-of-your-crap-Ash cold shouldering on offer, not that those are ideal if you're actually looking to have Shepard reconnect with her.

Modifié par bleetman, 15 mars 2012 - 09:22 .

[Abispa]

I SHOULD HAVE SEEN IT COMING, but I'm an idiot and I let Liara mind-rape my Ashley-obsessed Shepard. If the ending weren't such a convoluted mess, I'd assume Bioware planned for Liara to carry Shepard's baby even if she wasn't the LI.

[Village Idiot 2.0]

bleetman wrote...

Given how bland and generally uninteresting Ashley is in ME3, I'm largely considering her lack of romance option to be a blessing in disguise.

She just seemed so...mean.  I don't know if that's the right word, but I really didn't feel like Ashley liked my Shepard much.  I didn't really enjoy talking to her and even going to the memorial wall with her seemed sort of shallow and kind of like a chore.  It didn't feel natural and this was with my Garrusmancing Shepard who considered ME1 Ashley a very close friend.  Maybe it's just me. :/

On the other hand, one of my main, Liaramancing Sheps who I've started taking through ME3, her friendship with Kaidan seems fine and normal.  Meh.

[bleetman]

Abispa wrote...

I SHOULD HAVE SEEN IT COMING, but I'm an idiot and I let Liara mind-rape my Ashley-obsessed Shepard. If the ending weren't such a convoluted mess, I'd assume Bioware planned for Liara to carry Shepard's baby even if she wasn't the LI.

Given the Liara flashback at the end of ME3, I've wondered if they just assume everyone romances Liara anyway.

[Abispa]

bleetman wrote...

I could think of at least one way Ash's friendship path could've been improved: have her get drunk with vega and Shepard, rather than just with Vega.

Agreed. Even in the romance she goes out with Vega alone. Grr. -- Abispa

I mean, one of the things that impressed me with the Garrus romance stuff (and I have no idea if this is still the case in a friendship path, but I'd largely assume it is) is how the two visibly lean on each other for support. When one's questioning their decision and starting to crack under the pressure, the other has their back. They're there for each other. With hot turian dickings.

Garrus  has his bro scenes with male Shepard and they sound similar. The only thing missing is a "I LOVE YOU, MAN!" bro scene. And since I didn't romance Tali, they hooked up. Weird, since I've never seen them interact before. -- Abispa

Ash just has none of that anymore. There's a bit of a DA2 feel to her now, where everyone's having a party but the player character wasn't invited, only just specific to her. She just seems... distant. Removed. She's not the sister-in-arms she was in ME1. She's just kind of there.

Chun Hei told me the same thing. Maybe Bioware assumed it would be worse to have a really close sista relationship would be rubbing salt in the wounds of her s/s fans. Or Bioware is just dumb. Check out that ending... -- Abispa.

Can't speak to her romance content, but I don't really feel like it'd solve any of that.

Quething wrote...
(Or at least have the option to get halfway decent responses to her on Mars without having to hack the game....)

What do you get to say with an active romance? I felt reasonably satisfied with the array of renegade I've-had-enough-of-your-crap-Ash cold shouldering on offer, not that those are ideal if you're actually looking to have Shepard reconnect with her.

[shepskisaac]

Abispa wrote...
I'm curious to know how long it took IsaacShep to sober up after the party.

There was no time to party with my Shep moving on to romance Steve right after KaidanThen the cycle will repeat over and over again Bioware delivered flawlessly with these 2 boys for my Shep

Modifié par IsaacShep, 15 mars 2012 - 09:32 .

[Quething]

bleetman wrote...

What do you get to say with an active romance? I felt reasonably satisfied with the array of renegade I've-had-enough-of-your-crap-Ash cold shouldering on offer, not that those are ideal if you're actually looking to have Shepard reconnect with her.

Paragon for a friend is frustrated "if we're going to work together there has to be trust!" stuff, and Shep to me has this vibe of... it's not that she's not sympathetic to Ash's concerns, but she's sympathetic because she's a nice person and not because she thinks Ash has any legit reason to be upset. Also, it's very from-a-superior-to-a-subordinate (just like all the other Ash dialog in the game). It's Shepard resignedly convincing Jack to chill about Cerberus for a second twenty minutes after meeting her for the first time, not Shepard trying to have a discussion about Sidonis with Garrus after two years of trust and friendship.

Relationship it's much more clear Shep cares what Ash thinks and is upset about the rift and suspicion, and instead of Leadership Workshop On Team Function you get to actually appeal to the history between the two of them and ask her to trust Shep, personally, please, and express the importance of her presence and support to Shepard. (Kinda like Shep can do with friend!Garrus and friend!Liara.)

Also, when Liara does her condescending little "wow when did she get all competent" friend Shep, regardless of alignment, just tosses out this abrupt little "agreed" all "yes, from one superior warrior to another, it's nice to see how she's coming along isn't it." Relationship Shep still doesn't go "Liara wtf, she was ALWAYS competent, YOU were the one cowering in front of krogan warriors, remember?" but she does at least go "that she has" all admiring and a little bit enamoured.

[bleetman]

That sounds... so much better. Hnnnngh.

Liara's line made me frown. Not so much at the line, but at the lack of a "Heh, yeah. Say, remember that time we killed a Reaper together? Oh, no, sorry. My bad. That was Ashley" style response. Or any response that wasn't an agreement. Still, whatchagonnado.

[devSin]

Quething wrote...

Anyway, no one could find any non-asari f/f couples or confirmed m/m couples of any kind, huh? I sort of expected as much.

None that I saw.

I know when somebody was talking earlier about a lesbian couple on the Citadel, I was like, really? But then I went there and saw that it was just an asari.

I mean, it counts, but does it really? I don't know. When I see any species and an asari, I don't think gay (or even straight). I think asari and mate.

I wish so much that there had been more content for everyone, especially female Shepard romance.

[devSin]

Quething wrote...

Also, when Liara does her condescending little "wow when did she get all competent" friend Shep, regardless of alignment, just tosses out this abrupt little "agreed" all "yes, from one superior warrior to another, it's nice to see how she's coming along isn't it." Relationship Shep still doesn't go "Liara wtf, she was ALWAYS competent, YOU were the one cowering in front of krogan warriors, remember?" but she does at least go "that she has" all admiring and a little bit enamoured.

She does the same thing with Kaidan, and I was hunting for the "He always was" option too.

I seem to remember dominating every mission when I had Kaidan in the squad. Maybe Liara was just too passed out from her mind melds to remember, but we tore it up, killed Saren, and destroyed Sovereign, all while she was back on the ship sitting in the drug closet of the medbay.

"Help, I seem to have gotten myself trapped!" Yeah, some bastion of competence you were, lady.

Modifié par devSin, 15 mars 2012 - 09:53 .

[bleetman]

devSin wrote...

"Help, I seem to have gotten myself trapped!" Yeah, some bastion of competence you were, lady.

I'm still quietly amused at the idea of a Prothean expert who is, apparently, plot critical in ME1 due in part to her expansive knowledge of their race from fifty years of ferverant study accidentally hitting something she wasn't supposed to and getting trapped in a stasis bubble.

But now I'm just making fun of Liara, which is mean of me.

I did sort of like that you could trigger her romance in ME3 if you wanted to, and hadn't done so in ME1. Though, given how she's got a bit of Anders syndrome in her (with regards to the sheer unmitigated obviousness of her being in love with the protaganist), her response was a little... something. It's effectively just 'oh, ok then'. Good of them to give you the option though.

Modifié par bleetman, 15 mars 2012 - 09:59 .

[Game_Fan_85]

Akrim_Drak wrote...

I think the reason Liara got to be fully nude has more to do with the ESRB and other ratings bureaus than anything else. I guess showing a naked alien(who has all the same damn parts ) is less risque than an actual human. If they had shown like the Shep/Kaidan scene nude(even if all you saw were their butts) I'm almost certain it'd be AO. There's a huge stupid double standard when it comes to sex/violence in media, at least in the US which is the main audience sadly. Not to mention how homosexuality is supposedly soooo much more risque than heterosexuality too. <_<

Daashi wrote...
That comment took me back to all the outrage about telling 4-5 yr
olds about homosexuality that cropped up in Australia not that long
ago.

Well we certainly have the "it has gay male content,
MA15+!" thing in this country.  I frankly, have never understood why a
guy kissing a guy is seen as so much worse than sex in M rated things.  Same
with nudity, full frontal female nudity can be rated M but any sight of a
naked male, even non-sexual context such as a shower scene or
something, makes it MA15+.  This country is so backwards sometimes.

[Daashi]

Game_Fan_85 wrote...

Well we certainly have the "it has gay male content,
MA15+!" thing in this country.  I frankly, have never understood why a
guy kissing a guy is seen as so much worse than sex in M rated things.  Same
with nudity, full frontal female nudity can be rated M but any sight of a
naked male, even non-sexual context such as a shower scene or
something, makes it MA15+.  This country is so backwards sometimes.

Well we did have our first homosexual character on television in 72, and the first on-screen homosexual kiss was back in 89. I think our problem was that we were very European (in an awkard Brittish fashion) mentally to sex but then we got a very Americanised somewhere along the line.

Modifié par Daashi, 15 mars 2012 - 10:48 .