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[Daashi]

ladyofpayne wrote...

I hate Cortez really. He is stereotipical weak and whine gay.

Cortez is weak and whiny.  Why are the homophobes coming out to play now?

I personally don't think I'll romance Cortez, I find his disassociation somewhat distrubing. And I have always thought that the "Carth Syndrome" kind-of comes off as predatory, and my Shep is not a predator.

[Daashi]

Siansonea II wrote...

I don't know about you, but if I see someone crying, my first instinct isn't to walk away, it's to see if I can help. You never know if something you could say in those moments could really help them. I can't imagine just walking away from someone who is clearly hurting.

Wanting to help someone who is crying isn't my first instinct. My first instinct is to walk away and give them the privacy they deserve. But then again when I am crying the last thing I want is someone walking up to me and talking to me, I want privacy so I can compose myself and I suppose instinctually I assume others would want the same.

[Game_Fan_85]

ladyofpayne wrote...

I hate Cortez really. He is stereotipical weak and whine gay.

Whu...?? Huh?? I ju....I don't even know what to say to that.  Wow, somone crying about what is probably the love of their life dying in front of their eyes whilst not being able to save them.  What a poof!  Talk about stereotyping.

Oh and also, I think Steve looks just fine.  Not at all as generic as he looked at first.  I'd take him over Vega anyday.

Modifié par Game_Fan_85, 16 mars 2012 - 08:11 .

[Frozen83]

TygerHeart wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Cortez isn't attractive?

Are we playing the same game? 

It's the crying the first time you talk to him.

I'm sure there are some that would see a crying man and go for it... but  I didn't have another convo after that.

No. You can talk to him when you explore the ship for the first time. He tells you what is his job and that he had a husband, but doesn't want to talk about it. After the first mission, you see him crying and can talk with him about that. Third time is on Citadel, docks, you are looking at some ships. Fourth time is at memorial wall and fifth in Purgatory. After that, if you start romance, after missions, he just gives you one-liners. But still. I like him, a lot in fact!
I would really have loved that after you initiate romance with him you can allways find him in the club and can dance with him. And call him up into your cabin (this is implied in the game, he tells you about "looking over reports together tonight... again",and Shep has "we can try it under the bed next time" line which was precious). M.

[TygerHeart]

Siansonea II wrote...

I don't know about you, but if I see someone crying, my first instinct isn't to walk away, it's to see if I can help. You never know if something you could say in those moments could really help them. I can't imagine just walking away from someone who is clearly hurting.

A friend, yeah.

A total stranger, not so much.

A subordinate on top of that, and it just comes as predatory and opportunistic.

.

[Knightly_BW]

Siansonea II wrote...

TygerHeart wrote...

Guy or girl, someone crying is going to have a big empty circle around his or herself unless they already know him.

They person that approaches him and wants to start digging into his personal life seems like more like a predator than a romantic interest.

Unfortunately, 1 game just wasn't enough to develop a relationship before the emotional crisis then into the romance.

I don't know about you, but if I see someone crying, my first instinct isn't to walk away, it's to see if I can help. You never know if something you could say in those moments could really help them. I can't imagine just walking away from someone who is clearly hurting.

This is why I can't see Cortez as LI. He needs a friend... a friend who's in the same page as him not some over grown ape-man with pebble sized brain. He still loves his husband and it feels like Shepard forces him to let go so he can replace Robert.

I know that issue came up before and everyone has their own opinion. To me that kind of emotional scars heal best in time, whenever wounded one feels he is ready. As every human emotion even sadness has its limit. When you hit that limit your nature will look out for ways to cure you.

[Quething]

ladyofpayne wrote...

I hate Cortez really. He is stereotipical weak and whine gay.

Oh hi ladyofpayne. How did you get here? Shouldn't you be back on the DA forums calling Isabela a slut?

devSin wrote...

"Help, I seem to have gotten myself trapped!" Yeah, some bastion of competence you were, lady.

My favorite part of the whole thing is that back in ME1, mainShep had Ashley teach Liara how to use a gun and use biotics effectively alongside nonbiotic soldiers per Alliance strategies (kills three birds with one stone, by a) getting a civilian the best training possible in order to help her to survive this non-civilian mission, getting Liara more comfortable with Alliance/Normandy culture and c) getting Ashley more comfortable with aliens in general). And then they developed this neat offscreen friendship that you can see in moments like Ash being worried about Liara's reaction to Noveria.

So Liara's little comment the first time I heard it wasn't just weirdly arrogant, it was like hearing Luke seeing Obi-Wan doing something awesome and being all "Oh that Ben Kenobi, look how far he's come." 

[Frozen83]

Asperius wrote...

This is why I can't see Cortez as LI. He needs a friend... a friend who's in the same page as him not some over grown ape-man with pebble sized brain. He still loves his husband and it feels like Shepard forces him to let go so he can replace Robert.

I know that issue came up before and everyone has their own opinion. To me that kind of emotional scars heal best in time, whenever wounded one feels he is ready. As every human emotion even sadness has its limit. When you hit that limit your nature will look out for ways to cure you.

Mybe. But consider this. Shep is telling to Cortez to move on and to live, fight for himself, his friends, not to get stuck in the past. Another thing. His husband died at least six months ago (ME2-ME3, when Shep is on Earth), maybe even more (attack on Ferris Fields, which happens during second act of ME2). And the Normandy ME3 mission, until act 2 (when you have the option of engaging him) must take at least a couple of months (Kaidan recovering, curing genophage etc., this takes time). So there is at least 9 months since his hubby died, maybe even more. Second, in game, you get only four dialogues with him (just to get a grip on the story; I think they actually spend quite some time talking to eachother;and with others, I think my Shep spends quite some time drinking with the doc).
Of course, this is only my point of view. I like his character, I really do, so I'm biased . M.

[Daashi]

Quething wrote...

devSin wrote...

"Help, I seem to have gotten myself trapped!" Yeah, some bastion of competence you were, lady.

My favorite part of the whole thing is that back in ME1, mainShep had Ashley teach Liara how to use a gun and use biotics effectively alongside nonbiotic soldiers per Alliance strategies (kills three birds with one stone, by a) getting a civilian the best training possible in order to help her to survive this non-civilian mission, getting Liara more comfortable with Alliance/Normandy culture and c) getting Ashley more comfortable with aliens in general). And then they developed this neat offscreen friendship that you can see in moments like Ash being worried about Liara's reaction to Noveria.

So Liara's little comment the first time I heard it wasn't just weirdly arrogant, it was like hearing Luke seeing Obi-Wan doing something awesome and being all "Oh that Ben Kenobi, look how far he's come." 

I kind-of saw that scene as Liara trying to gain some understanding of Shepard and his/her relationship with the VS (no doubt she knew about Horizon, she is the Shadow Broker), that she wasn't really talking about their compency in the field but something else, something she wouldn't dare say with the VS possibly listening in or while in the field. But just is how I saw it, take it at face value and yeah, Liara comes off as a condesending b****.

[devSin]

Daashi wrote...

I kind-of saw that scene as Liara trying to gain some understanding of Shepard and his/her relationship with the VS (no doubt she knew about Horizon, she is the Shadow Broker), that she wasn't really talking about their compency in the field but something else, something she wouldn't dare say with the VS possibly listening in or while in the field. But just is how I saw it, take it at face value and yeah, Liara comes off as a condesending b****.

It did sound a bit probing if I remember right, like maybe she was trying to query your current thoughts on Kaidan or suss out the team dynamics.

But still, there should have been an option to give her the "welcome to the club" response. I always saw strength; maybe you were too busy studying rocks or something, but he didn't get to where he is by being as useless as you were when we first met you.

[Knightly_BW]

Frozen83 wrote...

Asperius wrote...

This is why I can't see Cortez as LI. He needs a friend... a friend who's in the same page as him not some over grown ape-man with pebble sized brain. He still loves his husband and it feels like Shepard forces him to let go so he can replace Robert.

I know that issue came up before and everyone has their own opinion. To me that kind of emotional scars heal best in time, whenever wounded one feels he is ready. As every human emotion even sadness has its limit. When you hit that limit your nature will look out for ways to cure you.

Mybe. But consider this. Shep is telling to Cortez to move on and to live, fight for himself, his friends, not to get stuck in the past. Another thing. His husband died at least six months ago (ME2-ME3, when Shep is on Earth), maybe even more (attack on Ferris Fields, which happens during second act of ME2). And the Normandy ME3 mission, until act 2 (when you have the option of engaging him) must take at least a couple of months (Kaidan recovering, curing genophage etc., this takes time). So there is at least 9 months since his hubby died, maybe even more. Second, in game, you get only four dialogues with him (just to get a grip on the story; I think they actually spend quite some time talking to eachother;and with others, I think my Shep spends quite some time drinking with the doc).
Of course, this is only my point of view. I like his character, I really do, so I'm biased . M.

We are all talking from our point of view, of course. Steve as a person too opposite of me. He is too tech-loving. H e talks about aircrafts and shuttles... I guess those names belonged to those things. Heck I barely learn the names of weapons I am using thanks to MP. Otherwise they were gun, better gun and best gun. Maybe this is why everything about him feels like I am trying to use him for sex.

[Frozen83]

I talk about cars. And fix my co-workers PCs (software issues mostly) ... You... have a point! M.

[evisneffo]

Quething wrote...

There was some cathartic ranting and joking a while back as the frustrated Ashmancers commiserated with each other and worked out our disappointment, but I think catharsis was mostly achieved and thus there was no reason not to disperse.

Looks like I was super late to the party.

[Quething]

Daashi wrote...

Quething wrote...
Anyway, no one could find any non-asari f/f couples or confirmed m/m couples of any kind, huh? I sort of expected as much. 

I thought Steve and Robert were a confirmed m/m couple, or is it because Steve is an LI it isn't considered vaild.

Not "not valid" exactly, but it's irrelevant to the question of "how genuinely integrated is s/s to the ME universe, or is it still just a 'chick + blue chick = hot' gimmick." It's very cool that Shepard now has real, well-developed m/m options and at least a swing in the direction of a respectful human f/f option, but it's less of a step forward than it seems if Shepard and Shepard's singular LI is some kind of unique freak occurrence in the wider universe. We still have a situation where a player can relatively easily close their eyes and stick their fingers in their ears and pretend there's No Gay In Mass Effect - all they've got to do is not talk to Steve and it's like queer people don't even exist. It makes playing a gay Shepard a little more isolating and strange, and it makes the wider universe feel less hospitible than it could be.

evisneffo wrote...
Looks like I was super late to the party. 

Haha, awww, it's never too late to be sad we didn't get Ash!

Modifié par Quething, 16 mars 2012 - 10:39 .

[Knightly_BW]

Frozen83 wrote...

I talk about cars. And fix my co-workers PCs (software issues mostly) ... You... have a point! M.

Kaidan is more.. down to earth. When I talk to him I can understand him. His worries about Cerberus, his family and his students are things I can relate. I hear people find his (or Ashley's) Mars questioning phase unbearable. I understand his point of view (not fully as I didn't play ME1 but I know Cerberus known as a terrorist group) and always try to make things clear for him.

Most of the time script prevents Shepard from giving the reaction I would give. Like convo about Horizon (or Shep's lines on Horizon) in hospital. He is blaming himself but to me Shep's all lines, even paragon ones sounded so harsh to me. He got me with "losing a limb" part anyway. So it hurts a bit to see him beating himself up for Horizon thing.

[devSin]

Asperius wrote...

I hear people find his (or Ashley's) Mars questioning phase unbearable. I understand his point of view (not fully as I didn't play ME1 but I know Cerberus known as a terrorist group) and always try to make things clear for him.

Really? It was one of my favorite parts of the game.

I liked the subtle struggle and cautiousness of getting reacquainted and trying to feel out where the relationship stood. I think it's probably paced awkwardly (you really don't get resolution until Act II) and maybe takes up a bit more screen time than is really necessary, but I thought it was a nice segue from the close relationship in ME to the rivalry in ME2 to the dire situation of ME3.

Then again, it probably helps that I always agreed. Playing a terrorist was the stupidest thing ever.

[Frozen83]

Asperius wrote...

I hear people find his (or Ashley's) Mars questioning phase unbearable.

Yes. Last night I actually fired a couple of rounds at him after the first line with him on Mars .
When I finish his romance subplot, I'll be a better judge of it... M.

[Daashi]

Asperius wrote...

I didn't play ME1

Mate, you are missing out.

[Knightly_BW]

One of my favorite Shep/Kaidan moments in Mars. When Shep tells Kaidan he was always stubborn their voice and body language seems so cute.

Also I know many people's Liara hate comes from ME1 and Liara's special threatment. For me, she is a blessing for Shepard. They both (Shepard and Liara) have unstable emotions. When Liara feels down and desperate Shep backs her up. Shepard shares his worries with her and she always try to support him. Of course her gift and friendship talk on Citadel make everything ever more awesome. So as Kaidan is my LI I saw his flashback but even I had one of ME2 ones (like Miranda) it wouldn't ****** me off to see her face last. As she is the closest person to Shep other than his far away and relatively safe Miranda. Actually if there was a chance I would change Matt's last moment flashbacks to Kaidan, Anderson and Liara. Seeing Joker only make him want to destroy galaxy more.

Ah and one more thing, If I ever see one more person whining about Kaidan or Steve and being nice to him push them into gay romance I will stamp "I am not some sexbot pimp" on their foreheads. God, do they know how many Renegade replies you have to give to that pervert couple?

[Knightly_BW]

Daashi wrote...

Asperius wrote...

I didn't play ME1

Mate, you are missing out.

I will play ME1, no worries. Just waiting for ME3 to burn out. I have two problems tho. Creating Matt's face for ME1 and not being able to romance with Kaidan.

[Daashi]

Asperius wrote...

Daashi wrote...

Asperius wrote...

I didn't play ME1

Mate, you are missing out.

I will play ME1, no worries. Just waiting for ME3 to burn out. I have two problems tho. Creating Matt's face for ME1 and not being able to romance with Kaidan.

I am planning on another ME1 run as soon as I find a port drive that will fit into my X-Box so I can modify the save to have a male Shepard/Kaidan romance.

Modifié par Daashi, 16 mars 2012 - 11:10 .

[devSin]

I didn't want to see Joker at the end at all. What a waste of a picture.

I love Liara. I think she's great, and she's a great friend to Shepard.

But there are times when she really does need to be smacked, I'm sorry to say it. In fact, I love the way you get her to talk to her dad. Liara. A full quarter of her conversations just need that as an available response, and I think she'd be much better.

Modifié par devSin, 16 mars 2012 - 11:09 .

[Frozen83]

But, you'll enjoy MAKO drives... M.

[evisneffo]

Quething wrote...

Haha, awww, it's never too late to be sad we didn't get Ash!

Don't mind me while I sit in the corner here and cry ...

[Russalka]

How do the Cortez and Kaidan romance lines compare technically, in length of discussion and how other teammates react? Initially, I decided that Ashley would survive for my gay male Shepard, and I would let my female Shepard have Kaidan. But the way he treats Ashley in the hospital is kind of making me miss Kaidan.