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[shepskisaac]

Russalka wrote...

How do the Cortez and Kaidan romance lines compare technically, in length of discussion and how other teammates react?

Pretty much the same. Main romance scenes for both are - date, sex & goodbye. Both have good, lenghty build-ups to the date scenes though with their respective plots (Cortez with his husband, Kaidan with the Cerberus/hospital thing) that you can totally headcanon as part of romance already ;P Then there are some romance Zaeed-style lines, I think Cortez has a bit more of them. Only Javik (and maybe Tali but I didn't see anyone get that yet) comment on Cortez & Kaidan (or other LIs).

It's best IMO if you save their dates (which start the romance) for a lil later though. After the dates, it will be a while before sex scenes and while they have some romance lines in-between (Zaeed-style), it may feel like a really long break. It's like that for other LIs too. So don't rush

Modifié par IsaacShep, 16 mars 2012 - 12:33 .

[luukee]

Daashi wrote...

Asperius wrote...

Daashi wrote...

Asperius wrote...

I didn't play ME1

*snip*

*snip*  

I am planning on another ME1 run as soon as I find a port drive that will fit into my X-Box so I can modify the save to have a male Shepard/Kaidan romance.

By the beard of Zeus, pray, tell me friend how do you mod the xbox into romancing Kaidan. 

[Game_Fan_85]

Daashi wrote...

I am planning on another ME1 run as soon as I find a port drive that will fit into my X-Box so I can modify the save to have a male Shepard/Kaidan romance.

Daashi did you find the Gibbed ME1 editor?  I could not find it anywhere, only ME2.  Unless, they both work with the ME2 editor?  I want to test it out on my glitch hack 360.

Modifié par Game_Fan_85, 16 mars 2012 - 01:44 .

[Knightly_BW]

Game_Fan_85 wrote...

Daashi wrote...

I am planning on another ME1 run as soon as I find a port drive that will fit into my X-Box so I can modify the save to have a male Shepard/Kaidan romance.

Daashi did you find the Gibbed ME1 editor?  I could not find it anywhere, only ME2.  Unless, they both work with the ME2 editor?  I want to test it out on my glitch hack 360.

Other than ME1 Kaidan/Shep romance glitching on ME3 (if my memory serves) it will also break the current story which I like.

If you just want romanced with Kaidan flag for ME3 you can do it on ME2 save.

I wonder if I can force game to import edited all ME2 crew dead save. That will fill that memorial wall I hope. It looks weird half emtpy.

[Siansonea]

Asperius wrote...

Frozen83 wrote...

I talk about cars. And fix my co-workers PCs (software issues mostly) ... You... have a point! M.

Kaidan is more.. down to earth. When I talk to him I can understand him. His worries about Cerberus, his family and his students are things I can relate. I hear people find his (or Ashley's) Mars questioning phase unbearable. I understand his point of view (not fully as I didn't play ME1 but I know Cerberus known as a terrorist group) and always try to make things clear for him.

Most of the time script prevents Shepard from giving the reaction I would give. Like convo about Horizon (or Shep's lines on Horizon) in hospital. He is blaming himself but to me Shep's all lines, even paragon ones sounded so harsh to me. He got me with "losing a limb" part anyway. So it hurts a bit to see him beating himself up for Horizon thing.

The Horizon thing still sticks in my craw. Not Kaidan/Ashley's dressing down of Shepard, but the fan reaction to it (they were mean to me!!!!1111) and Shepard's seeming inability to see their point of view. Anyone who played ME1 knows that Cerberus was the Al-Qaeda of the ME universe, and to see Shepard with Cerberus after two years being presumed dead shoud give ANY loyal Alliance soldier pause. But Shepard, and many of the fans, were all "how dare he/she question me, I'm Commander Shepard!!!!111" I wanted Shepard to have the option of saying "you were 100% right Kaidan/Ashley, it did look bad, I wish Anderson had told you what was going on."

Back to the main point though, I like Kaidan and Cortez. When I did my gay Sentinel playthrough, I felt really torn, I wasn't expecting that. I thought I was going to be able to dismiss Steve as an LI pretty easily. I was very happy that BioWare gave us two good m/m romances. I was less pleased with the f/f options though. That's the real bummer of ME3, that the very promising human f/f pairing comes off as truncated. I can only really compare her to Cortez, but I just felt Samantha could have been more than she was. I wanted to know about her family, I wanted to know more about her life in general. The galaxy is going to hell in a handbasket, and she comes off rather like she doesn't quite get what's at stake sometimes. I liked her moments when she's talking about intel she's found and analyzed and Shepard's interactions with her after the missions are complete, but I found most of EDI's interjections in these conversations to be patronizing and condescending. Like EDI couldn't have analyzed all that data herself? 

I didn't find Shepard's interest in Steve to be predatory at all. For one thing, it doesn't really come up until after Steve has dealt with his memories of Robert, and Steve is starting to live again in general. He's checking out the guy candy in Purgatory, and Shepard's first opportunity to flirt happens then. And why shouldn't Shepard feel a connection with Steve? Look at all the people Shepard has lost, especially if Shepard is a Colonist/Sole Survivor.

[babelcarlota]

Siansonea II wrote...

Asperius wrote...

Frozen83 wrote...

I talk about cars. And fix my co-workers PCs (software issues mostly) ... You... have a point! M.

Kaidan is more.. down to earth. When I talk to him I can understand him. His worries about Cerberus, his family and his students are things I can relate. I hear people find his (or Ashley's) Mars questioning phase unbearable. I understand his point of view (not fully as I didn't play ME1 but I know Cerberus known as a terrorist group) and always try to make things clear for him.

Most of the time script prevents Shepard from giving the reaction I would give. Like convo about Horizon (or Shep's lines on Horizon) in hospital. He is blaming himself but to me Shep's all lines, even paragon ones sounded so harsh to me. He got me with "losing a limb" part anyway. So it hurts a bit to see him beating himself up for Horizon thing.

The Horizon thing still sticks in my craw. Not Kaidan/Ashley's dressing down of Shepard, but the fan reaction to it (they were mean to me!!!!1111) and Shepard's seeming inability to see their point of view. Anyone who played ME1 knows that Cerberus was the Al-Qaeda of the ME universe, and to see Shepard with Cerberus after two years being presumed dead shoud give ANY loyal Alliance soldier pause. But Shepard, and many of the fans, were all "how dare he/she question me, I'm Commander Shepard!!!!111" I wanted Shepard to have the option of saying "you were 100% right Kaidan/Ashley, it did look bad, I wish Anderson had told you what was going on."

Back to the main point though, I like Kaidan and Cortez. When I did my gay Sentinel playthrough, I felt really torn, I wasn't expecting that. I thought I was going to be able to dismiss Steve as an LI pretty easily. I was very happy that BioWare gave us two good m/m romances. I was less pleased with the f/f options though. That's the real bummer of ME3, that the very promising human f/f pairing comes off as truncated. I can only really compare her to Cortez, but I just felt Samantha could have been more than she was. I wanted to know about her family, I wanted to know more about her life in general. The galaxy is going to hell in a handbasket, and she comes off rather like she doesn't quite get what's at stake sometimes. I liked her moments when she's talking about intel she's found and analyzed and Shepard's interactions with her after the missions are complete, but I found most of EDI's interjections in these conversations to be patronizing and condescending. Like EDI couldn't have analyzed all that data herself? 

I didn't find Shepard's interest in Steve to be predatory at all. For one thing, it doesn't really come up until after Steve has dealt with his memories of Robert, and Steve is starting to live again in general. He's checking out the guy candy in Purgatory, and Shepard's first opportunity to flirt happens then. And why shouldn't Shepard feel a connection with Steve? Look at all the people Shepard has lost, especially if Shepard is a Colonist/Sole Survivor.

I thought Cortez was ugly lol. I was so glad Kaidan was an option. One of my main purpose of playing ME3 and possibly what salvaged my anguish from the horrible ending.

[Knightly_BW]

Siansonea II wrote...

Back to the main point though, I like Kaidan and Cortez. When I did my gay Sentinel playthrough, I felt really torn, I wasn't expecting that. I thought I was going to be able to dismiss Steve as an LI pretty easily. I was very happy that BioWare gave us two good m/m romances. I was less pleased with the f/f options though. That's the real bummer of ME3, that the very promising human f/f pairing comes off as truncated. I can only really compare her to Cortez, but I just felt Samantha could have been more than she was. I wanted to know about her family, I wanted to know more about her life in general. The galaxy is going to hell in a handbasket, and she comes off rather like she doesn't quite get what's at stake sometimes. I liked her moments when she's talking about intel she's found and analyzed and Shepard's interactions with her after the missions are complete, but I found most of EDI's interjections in these conversations to be patronizing and condescending. Like EDI couldn't have analyzed all that data herself? 

ME3 turned my expectations upside down.

Before launch I was expecting to:
- Like James Vega
- Not interesting in Kaidan at all
- endings will ruin whole game for me
- Hate Liara
- Won't like ME2 cameos much
- like Cortez romance
- play more MP
- my Shep will look like a crap

Now all my thoughts on opposite direction.
-I hate Vega as he's total meathead.
-Kaidan romance is best thing in the game.
-Endings are meh but I still love story and can easily say ME3 is my favorite Bioware game now.
-I love how they handled Liara/Shep relationship... a storng friendship is rare thing to see in Bioware games. Liara sometimes feels like Shepard's anchor.
-I like Cortez's story, it is not different from the leak but something doesn't click so he stays in friendzone.
-With new factions added to MP I  lost my interest. Fighting geth is not fun and I somehow always end up in geth matches.
- He looks awesome. With his mimics and Meer's voice I guess I am actually in love with my Shep.

[shepskisaac]

Siansonea II wrote...

I didn't find Shepard's interest in Steve to be predatory at all. For one thing, it doesn't really come up until after Steve has dealt with his memories of Robert, and Steve is starting to live again in general. He's checking out the guy candy in Purgatory, and Shepard's first opportunity to flirt happens then. And why shouldn't Shepard feel a connection with Steve? Look at all the people Shepard has lost, especially if Shepard is a Colonist/Sole Survivor.

Yes, there's a rather clear line where the romance starts and Cortez "loyalty dialogues", if you can call it like that, ends. Pretty much like in Mass Effect 2. And he never compares you to Robert, he really did move on and it just happen that my mShep wants him

[Knightly_BW]

IsaacShep wrote...

 And he never compares you to Robert, he really did move on and it just happen that my mShep wants him

I bet he did but didn't tell you to hurt your manly feelings.

[Cuddlezarro]

IsaacShep wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I didn't find Shepard's interest in Steve to be predatory at all. For one thing, it doesn't really come up until after Steve has dealt with his memories of Robert, and Steve is starting to live again in general. He's checking out the guy candy in Purgatory, and Shepard's first opportunity to flirt happens then. And why shouldn't Shepard feel a connection with Steve? Look at all the people Shepard has lost, especially if Shepard is a Colonist/Sole Survivor.

Yes, there's a rather clear line where the romance starts and Cortez "loyalty dialogues", if you can call it like that, ends. Pretty much like in Mass Effect 2. And he never compares you to Robert, he really did move on and it just happen that my mShep wants him

like i said in the jacobs a cheatng ^!R&R&!R&@R topic its not like Steve pulled a Jahera from BG2 where she sees her husbands mutilated corpse and tries to jump on your bones a few days later

his hubby died before horizon in ME2 and that was almost a year before the game starts thats plenty of time to greive

[shepskisaac]

Asperius wrote...
I bet he did but didn't tell you to hurt your manly feelings.

I assure you my Shep kept him too busy to have time for comparsions

Modifié par IsaacShep, 16 mars 2012 - 03:59 .

[Knightly_BW]

IsaacShep wrote...

Asperius wrote...
I bet he did but didn't tell you to hurt your manly feelings.

I assure you my Shep kept him too busy to have time for comparsions

LOL!

That remind me how my mind wandered everytime TIM mentions they rebuild Shepard as he was.

Did Miranda handled important parts?

How did they know exact size?

Could they find Shepard's junk at all?

[shepskisaac]

yeah, even if you didn't romance Miri she still know all about your Shep xDDD

[Daashi]

luukee wrote...

By the beard of Zeus, pray, tell me friend how do you mod the xbox into romancing Kaidan. 

By the sounds of it, I have found a fellow pagan. Yay!

You create a new game, if you want to romance Ash create a man, if you want to romance Kaidan, create a woman. Use the defult appearance, or else when you change gender you'll end up with a woman with a man's head and vice versa.

Save the first chance you get, copy that save onto a port drive/thumb drive/USB drive (it's port it right next to where you plug in your internet cable).

When on your laptop/PC, open the txt file of that save. Your gender is either marked as a 0 or a 1; if your gender is mark as 0, change to 1 and vice versa.

Then load that altered save back onto your X-Box and enjoy. When you load that save, your character will have changed gender. (The game of course will treat your character as the original gender, however importing the save into ME2 and ME3 will recoginise your character changed gender as true.)

(That should work, but as I was saying I have yet to find a port drive that fits into my X-Box [lots of excess plastic on the sides of the drives I own], so I have yet to test this and see if it works.)

Modifié par Daashi, 16 mars 2012 - 04:10 .

[syllogi]

Siansonea II wrote...

Asperius wrote...

Frozen83 wrote...

I talk about cars. And fix my co-workers PCs (software issues mostly) ... You... have a point! M.

Kaidan is more.. down to earth. When I talk to him I can understand him. His worries about Cerberus, his family and his students are things I can relate. I hear people find his (or Ashley's) Mars questioning phase unbearable. I understand his point of view (not fully as I didn't play ME1 but I know Cerberus known as a terrorist group) and always try to make things clear for him.

Most of the time script prevents Shepard from giving the reaction I would give. Like convo about Horizon (or Shep's lines on Horizon) in hospital. He is blaming himself but to me Shep's all lines, even paragon ones sounded so harsh to me. He got me with "losing a limb" part anyway. So it hurts a bit to see him beating himself up for Horizon thing.

The Horizon thing still sticks in my craw. Not Kaidan/Ashley's dressing down of Shepard, but the fan reaction to it (they were mean to me!!!!1111) and Shepard's seeming inability to see their point of view. Anyone who played ME1 knows that Cerberus was the Al-Qaeda of the ME universe, and to see Shepard with Cerberus after two years being presumed dead shoud give ANY loyal Alliance soldier pause. But Shepard, and many of the fans, were all "how dare he/she question me, I'm Commander Shepard!!!!111" I wanted Shepard to have the option of saying "you were 100% right Kaidan/Ashley, it did look bad, I wish Anderson had told you what was going on."

Back to the main point though, I like Kaidan and Cortez. When I did my gay Sentinel playthrough, I felt really torn, I wasn't expecting that. I thought I was going to be able to dismiss Steve as an LI pretty easily. I was very happy that BioWare gave us two good m/m romances. I was less pleased with the f/f options though. That's the real bummer of ME3, that the very promising human f/f pairing comes off as truncated. I can only really compare her to Cortez, but I just felt Samantha could have been more than she was. I wanted to know about her family, I wanted to know more about her life in general. The galaxy is going to hell in a handbasket, and she comes off rather like she doesn't quite get what's at stake sometimes. I liked her moments when she's talking about intel she's found and analyzed and Shepard's interactions with her after the missions are complete, but I found most of EDI's interjections in these conversations to be patronizing and condescending. Like EDI couldn't have analyzed all that data herself? 

I didn't find Shepard's interest in Steve to be predatory at all. For one thing, it doesn't really come up until after Steve has dealt with his memories of Robert, and Steve is starting to live again in general. He's checking out the guy candy in Purgatory, and Shepard's first opportunity to flirt happens then. And why shouldn't Shepard feel a connection with Steve? Look at all the people Shepard has lost, especially if Shepard is a Colonist/Sole Survivor.

Agreed so much with your thoughts on Horizon, and the Cortez thing.  I was honestly surprised at how much I liked him, despite knowing that he would be saddled with the Dead Spouse Background.  Even as a female Shepard, I really felt for him, and wanted to be there for him.

Considering how nosy and meddling Shepard *always* was with her crew members, I didn't see it as predatory at all to counsel Steve.  I mean, she even bugged Wrex to tell her his story, back in ME1.  So trying to help Steve seems as natural as any of the squadmate dialogues, at least to me.

Now, jumping in the shower with Samantha...that was just weird.  And while obviously Samantha wants Shepard to make the move, I felt like that whole scene was bad porn material.  I can't see any Shepard of mine wanting to initiate a romance that way, and it's a shame, since Samantha seems nice otherwise.  It also sucks that even her friendship seems lacking compared to Steve's.  I really have to wonder what the reasoning was behind it.

[Russalka]

IsaacShep wrote...

SNIPPED

Yeah, cheers, thanks a lot.

I think I have many playthroughs ahead.

[breyant]

I just finished my renegade Kaidan romance... and it seemed to play out a little differently than others. I didn't get a "are you flirting with me?" line at the hospital, and when he joined up with me again after the citadel mission, there was no "I turned it down to be with you" option. He instead asked me if I wanted him back on the normandy and I hastily responded with renegade that he should go with Hackett not realizing it meant he'd actually LEAVE! Yeah I'm glad the last auto-save wasn't too far back!

I thought I somehow locked myself out of the romance until the dinner scene and this guy that seemed scared and uninterested was suddenly head over heels in love with me... It was just a little odd.

I didn't romance anyone other than renegade sex with Jack, and she died due to my lack of ship armor:devil:

Was Kaidan acting this way because of my high renegade points or something else, anyone know? I was using the paragon choices usually when talking to him, so I dunno:huh:

Modifié par breyant, 16 mars 2012 - 04:29 .

[Abispa]

I have read a couple of complaints about a Steve "ninjamance," and at first I was upset, but instead of writing a bunch of snarky responses I decided to actually do a Cortez romance and find out how "easy" it was to "accidentally" romance him.

Not just with Steve, but with Liara, Garrus and Kaidan it does seem like the friendships are, believably, written to be very close and emotional, and I think there is the "problem." In part it made my Shepard locked into being BFFs with these characters which limits my options of being distant and professional (not that I usually am, but at least that was an option in earlier games).

But the REAL problem is that the friendships are written a lot like classic Bioware ninjamances. In retrospect I can see how nice it is to be all out friendly with the cast and not having to worry about accidentally starting a romance since the "love" dialog is pretty damn obvious. However, until this game, similar situations from Bioware lead to the "why are you cheating on me by being nice to so and so?" and realizing that you were in a romance against your will.

In other words, you can basically do everything short of foot rub with the cast without having to worry about triggering a "ninjamance" so long as you don't take any "gifts" from Liara. Sneaky broad, that Shadowbroker.

[Cuddlezarro]

I dont really see how you can be ninjamanced by steve when he only ever flirts with you if you pick the clearly marked flirting option and proceed to tell him you are looking for the right man

you have to be blind to somehow be locked into a relationship with him

[Chaotic Loon]

breyant wrote...

I just finished my renegade Kaidan romance... and it seemed to play out a little differently than others. I didn't get a "are you flirting with me?" line at the hospital, and when he joined up with me again after the citadel mission, there was no "I turned it down to be with you" option. He instead asked me if I wanted him back on the normandy and I hastily responded with renegade that he should go with Hackett not realizing it meant he'd actually LEAVE! Yeah I'm glad the last auto-save wasn't too far back!

I thought I somehow locked myself out of the romance until the dinner scene and this guy that seemed scared and uninterested was suddenly head over heels in love with me... It was just a little odd.

I didn't romance anyone other than renegade sex with Jack, and she died due to my lack of ship armor:devil:

Was Kaidan acting this way because of my high renegade points or something else, anyone know? I was using the paragon choices usually when talking to him, so I dunno:huh:

Did you remember to buy him the bottle of wine prior to the hospital vist where he is conscious.

[Finis Valorum]

Abispa wrote...

Not just with Steve, but with Liara, Garrus and Kaidan it does seem like the friendships are, believably, written to be very close and emotional, and I think there is the "problem." In part it made my Shepard locked into being BFFs with these characters which limits my options of being distant and professional (not that I usually am, but at least that was an option in earlier games).

Yes the friendships and the writing overall do seem better than ME2 and perhaps even ME1, however our (dialogue) options have been greatly diminished and it's rather unfortunate that they have limited us to basically being nice (paragon) in our interactions or being a jerk (renegade). Acting like a professional officer would have been a nice middle ground in some situations, but since this path would have presumably belonged largely to the neutral (white) responses it seems to have been taken out along with most of the rest of the more neutral and morally gray options.
But things like this just illustrate why ME3 (apart from the horrible endings) is ultimately less replayable than its predecessors despite having better characterisation and more atmosphere.

[shepskisaac]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

I dont really see how you can be ninjamanced by steve when he only ever flirts with you if you pick the clearly marked flirting option and proceed to tell him you are looking for the right man

you have to be blind to somehow be locked into a relationship with him

Not only that. After telling him that you're waiting for the right man, you have to agree to dance with him and then you have to tell him you want to be with him. Only after that you're locked in the romance. That's why I'm like when I read complaints that someone got "ninjamanced" by Steve. You have to be an idiot to get ninjamanced by him. I mean, how more clear "waiting for the right man + I want more than friendship" could be???

[Abispa]

IsaacShep wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

I dont really see how you can be ninjamanced by steve when he only ever flirts with you if you pick the clearly marked flirting option and proceed to tell him you are looking for the right man

you have to be blind to somehow be locked into a relationship with him

Not only that. After telling him that you're waiting for the right man, you have to agree to dance with him and then you have to tell him you want to be with him. Only after that you're locked in the romance. That's why I'm like when I read complaints that someone got "ninjamanced" by Steve. You have to be an idiot to get ninjamanced by him. I mean, how more clear "waiting for the right man + I want more than friendship" could be???

I agree that you are free to be as nice as you possibly can to Steve WITH NO WORRIES about a ninjamance, but the problem is that Bioware has a track record. If Steve has existed in DA:O, ME1. or ME2, he would already be planning your wedding after the second conversations if you didn't treat him like a jerk. And if you ever said, "I'm there for you, Steve." after the personal video, you'd be locked into a bedroom scene with him even if you were female Shepard.

[Daashi]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

I dont really see how you can be ninjamanced by steve when he only ever flirts with you if you pick the clearly marked flirting option and proceed to tell him you are looking for the right man

you have to be blind to somehow be locked into a relationship with him

People are idiots!?!

That would be my answer.

[Chaotic Loon]

IsaacShep wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

I dont really see how you can be ninjamanced by steve when he only ever flirts with you if you pick the clearly marked flirting option and proceed to tell him you are looking for the right man

you have to be blind to somehow be locked into a relationship with him

Not only that. After telling him that you're waiting for the right man, you have to agree to dance with him and then you have to tell him you want to be with him. Only after that you're locked in the romance. That's why I'm like when I read complaints that someone got "ninjamanced" by Steve. You have to be an idiot to get ninjamanced by him. I mean, how more clear "waiting for the right man + I want more than friendship" could be???

I think half the people spam the skip dialogue button and instinctively pick the upper right paragon options...without reading them...if they get "ninjamanced" that way, I consider it their just desserts 

 Yesterday I was using the kinect to speak the conversation options rather than clicking...was going well until the point when Kaidan asked to join the Normandy, of couse I said yes.....the kinect chose the decline option...was not impressed....kinect is possessed by a Kaidan hating spirit 

Modifié par Chaotic Loon, 16 mars 2012 - 09:37 .