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[shepskisaac]

HopHazzard wrote...

I wonder what the thought process was.

Quite frankly I think the thought process was just "let's swap them in places so we can at least pretend we totally didn't just resure FemShep/Kaidan animations" lol. I mean, I really don't expect they analyzed it any deeper

[Abispa]

HopHazzard wrote...

Finished a FemShep run and I noticed something rather curious. Kaidan is far more, um... aggressive in the love scene with male Shepard. Which is not to say that I don't like that (because do I ever!), but it was clearly a deliberate choice and I wonder what the thought process was.

I have always wondered why all the male LIs tend to be timid around the female heroes, although the female LIs can be aggressive with either gender. Even Zevran ads a "if it's okay with you" after every pick up line. So long as the option is given for the player to respond favorably or unfavorably to a LI's advances, I don't see what the problem is.

[HopHazzard]

IsaacShep wrote...

HopHazzard wrote...

I wonder what the thought process was.

Quite frankly I think the thought process was just "let's swap them in places so we can at least pretend we totally didn't just resure FemShep/Kaidan animations" lol. I mean, I really don't expect they analyzed it any deeper

Yeah, you're probably right. It really does change the whole tone of the scene though.

[HopHazzard]

Abispa wrote...

HopHazzard wrote...

Finished a FemShep run and I noticed something rather curious. Kaidan is far more, um... aggressive in the love scene with male Shepard. Which is not to say that I don't like that (because do I ever!), but it was clearly a deliberate choice and I wonder what the thought process was.

I have always wondered why all the male LIs tend to be timid around the female heroes, although the female LIs can be aggressive with either gender. Even Zevran ads a "if it's okay with you" after every pick up line. So long as the option is given for the player to respond favorably or unfavorably to a LI's advances, I don't see what the problem is.

The only thing I can think of is that a super aggressive male LI could have some Unfortunate Implications if a female were to ninjamance him.

[Chun Hei]

Abispa wrote...

Not that I have anything against Steve, but is there a reason why the first sig on your posts is Cortez and not Kaidan, Garrus, or Vega?

Chicks think gay guys making out is HAWT. They will all get their turn eventually.



My theory on why male LIs are so timid is that Bioware assumes most female heroes are being RPed by guys who will freak out if a guy aggressively hits on them. Women can be aggressive since lesbians are HAWT.

[Akrim_Drak]

HopHazzard wrote...

Finished a FemShep run and I noticed something rather curious. Kaidan is far more, um... aggressive in the love scene with male Shepard. Which is not to say that I don't like that (because do I ever!), but it was clearly a deliberate choice and I wonder what the thought process was.

I'm just gonna say it was because Kaidan has had blueballs for THREE freaking years. I always assumed my Shep would be the uh >.> top in the pair but Kaidan proved me wrong!  I wasn't walking funny on the Cerberus station so I guess he's still a gentle lover where it counts.

[Nejeli]

Asperius wrote...

Axialbloom wrote...

Steve kind of weirded me out. He just felt out of place somehow.

Hmm in sense you are right, he is bit out of place. Talking about his dead hubby and not having actuall interaction other than that matter, kinda puts him in out of place position.

Your first conversation with him has him mention his husband but mention he doesn't want to talk about it - that's maybe two lines.
Your second has him talking about it.
Third is Shepard telling him he needs to relax and get off the ship for a bit.
Next conversation is about ships.
Then there's the memorial wall scene.
Then Purgatory.
Then love scene.
Then goodbye scene.

Out of all your conversations with him, you have two about his husband. That's less than half. (And, wow, listing it out like that, he does have a lot of content for a non-team member. That's not even taking into account any of the banter or shuttle dialogue.)

Steve doesn't make Shepard feel special, even he makes him feel like first available body to erase last reminders of his dead husband.

I didn't get that impression at all. If that's all he wanted, there are quicker and easier lays than Shepard. He doesn't even flirt with Shepard first. Their romance scene is probably one of the least sexualized ones in the game, and it's obvious that he wants to be with Shepard. Not that he's just there for sex.

My take on Steve is that he's conflicted. On the one hand, there's no doubt he loved his husband. On the other, he has Robert practically begging him to move on. So, he wants to honor Robert's last wishes but, well, it isn't that easy. Then Shepard comes along, and he's nice and sympathetic, without being pitying. He listens to Steve dork out about ships and doesn't laugh at him or patronize him. He shows as much concern for Steve as he does for his old friends. And even after catching him breaking down, Shepard never treats Steve as though he has any doubts he can do his job. (Paragon!Shep, anyway, I don't know how it plays out with a Renegade!Shep.) And for the first time since Robert died, Steve wants to move on. So what if it's been months and not years? It doesn't mean he loves his husband any less, just that he's going to take the chance at happiness while he has it because, considering the current state of things, it might not be there tomorrow.

As for feeling special, well, that'll be different for everyone's Shepard. My Shep felt pretty special after their first kiss when Steve said 'This is a good day' with that tone that suggested Shepard had just given him everything he wanted. And that end conversation with Steve is why my Shep survived. I gotta say, Steve's voice actor is amazing. The end conversation wasn't particularly romantic but it was practically dripping with things unsaid, and my Shepard wanted to say those things to him.

bas_kon wrote...

I loved the romace, he actually does have
more romance banter than Kaidan and I lol'd when he told me to go away
so harshly and then said because I like the view while you walk away.
It's gonna be tough to choose between him and Kaidan next time...
(never thought that would happen with m/m romances)

I got that line for the first time right after the Quarian-Geth conflict, where the Quarians died because it wasn't an import game and I just couldn't doom the Geth. So everyone on my ship was consoling me about Tali and then I talked to Steve and got that, and the pause gave me just enough time to freak and think 'But you didn't even know Tali!' XD

Modifié par Nejeli, 21 mars 2012 - 01:29 .

[RetasuNeko]

I'm late to the party here, but I like FemShep/Liara quite a bit. Would have liked FemShep/Ashley, though.../sigh/

[shepskisaac]

Nejeli wrote...

(And, wow, listing it out like that, he does have a lot of content for a non-team member. That's not even taking into account any of the banter or shuttle dialogue.)

Yep. Content-wise, he recieved a squadmate tratement. He has more to say than some actual squadmates. And then there's the Vega banter, comments on mission, the fact that he's part of nearly all missions due to his shuttle pilot role (especially N7 ones where he basically is the main character) and the little arc with having him get shut down during the finale, it's just great. It's one of the main reasons why he's so compelling. I thought he would be like Kelly so I was hugely surprised he's no less present for my Shep than squadmates :happy:

Nejeli wrote...
As for feeling special, well, that'll be different for everyone's Shepard. My Shep felt pretty special after their first kiss when Steve said 'This is a good day' with that tone that suggested Shepard had just given him everything he wanted. And that end conversation with Steve is why my Shep survived. I gotta say, Steve's voice actor is amazing. The end conversation wasn't particularly romantic but it was practically dripping with things unsaid, and my Shepard wanted to say those things to him.

Not to mention when he says "I thought I felt something between us, but I was afraid it was just hope..." It show clearly that he cares for Shep since he hopes Shep wants him too. Now that I think of it, maybe he revives memories of Robert again because he feels guilty that he's starting to fall in love with someone else? But with Shep's help, he does what he knows he should do and what Robert wanted him to do - move on and allow himself to be happy again, with someone he cares about. Ahh he's such an interesting character And his VA really delivered. I only wish we would've had him in in the series at least from ME2, when Kodiak was introduced. But then again, I also wish Kaidan was available to romance for mShep since ME1 but ohh well. We can't turn back time. I'm happy that in the end my mShep can be find happiness even if it took long, with 2 great guys

Modifié par IsaacShep, 21 mars 2012 - 01:59 .

[Bellendaine]

IsaacShep wrote...

I only wish we would've had him in in the series at least from ME2, when Kodiak was introduced. But then again, I also wish Kaidan was available to romance for mShep since ME1 but ohh well. We can't turn back time. I'm happy that in the end my mShep can be find happiness even if it took long, with 2 great guys

True, I played it again and despite still loathing the ending, it's really heart-wrenching.  It's hard to let go of any residual irritation at not having the chance to romance Kaidan in ME1 after a full trilogy play-thru, though ... it feels ... really ... well, discriminatory, that I didn't have that chance before when it was *there* ... it was in the audio-files ... if only!!!  Ugh!  But, alas, the reality is there, I guess.

And I am grateful it finally happened, but now I just want so much more of it ...  And frankly, more Shep adventures.  I keep hoping the awful grandpa-child scene, which ends with "well, okay, one more story" of the Shepard alludes to an ME4, but I know that's not likely.  Of course, they'd need to fix the ending of ME3 first.  I did play through this time and got the "N7 breath" for lack of a better phrase.   That was nice ...

[Game_Fan_85]

Bellendaine wrote...

True, I played it again and despite still loathing the ending, it's really heart-wrenching.  It's hard to let go of any residual irritation at not having the chance to romance Kaidan in ME1 after a full trilogy play-thru, though ... it feels ... really ... well, discriminatory, that I didn't have that chance before when it was *there* ... it was in the audio-files ... if only!!!  Ugh!  But, alas, the reality is there, I guess.

And I am grateful it finally happened, but now I just want so much more of it ...  And frankly, more Shep adventures.  I keep hoping the awful grandpa-child scene, which ends with "well, okay, one more story" of the Shepard alludes to an ME4, but I know that's not likely.  Of course, they'd need to fix the ending of ME3 first.  I did play through this time and got the "N7 breath" for lack of a better phrase.   That was nice ...

One thing I will say about getting to play the modded "meant for femShep" romance with Kaidan is that we get to see mShep and Kaidan interact in a way they probably never would have if they made Kaidan open to both sexes in the beginning.  I had this ( ) conversation with Kaidan at the end of my last play session and I can't imagine it being the same if dialogue was written for mShep.  I don't see Shep saying "ohh, so you're a romantic!" to Kaidan in a proper m/m game.  So I like that we get to see a different side to what possibly would have been in an official mShep/Kaidan romance.  I like the dialogue, it seems very  intimate and personal.

Arrgh, I am so comflicted at the moment.  I want to keep playing ME1 with the Kaidan romance but I really really want to continue the Steve romance in 3 as well.  At the moment I am playing ME1 and only playing ME3's MP.  I think I the last time I played ME3 I had just had the Citadel talk with Steve about the ships.  Having already gone through the Purgatory scene with Steve, I really think it will be a tough call on which story I like the most.

It's so hard to bring myself to play the game again even though I really want to see the story play out.  In my first playthrough I saved before I had "the talk" with Kaidan so I could probably start from there and talk to Steve instead, but there are some things I am hoping to change in my second play, such as saving the Geth and the Quarians.  Tali's swandive did not affect me personally but I would like to see the game through with both living.

*sigh* What to do....

[Nejeli]

IsaacShep wrote...
Not to mention when he says "I thought I felt something between us, but I was afraid it was just hope..." It show clearly that he cares for Shep since he hopes Shep wants him too. Now that I think of it, maybe he revives memories of Robert again because he feels guilty that he's starting to fall in love with someone else? But with Shep's help, he does what he knows he should do and what Robert wanted him to do - move on and allow himself to be happy again, with someone he cares about. Ahh he's such an interesting character And his VA really delivered. I only wish we would've had him in in the series at least from ME2, when Kodiak was introduced. But then again, I also wish Kaidan was available to romance for mShep since ME1 but ohh well. We can't turn back time. I'm happy that in the end my mShep can be find happiness even if it took long, with 2 great guys

Ohh, I forgot about that line. I can see your scenario. The way he was overworking himself on the shuttle, the way he said 'I find it hard to say no to you' to Shepard. It could be headcanoned that he was feeling guilty about Shepard and making himself feel awful by thinking of Robert because he was scared of 'losing' him. Then, the downtime and talk with Shepard on the Citadel helped him realize he was doing exactly what Robert didn't want him to do which, of course, would lead to him finally letting Robert rest. I do think Steve had a lot of guilt, not only about moving on but also about surviving at all. It makes complete sense to me that he dies unless you help him work through it.

I'm doing my first Kaidan romance now. I was going to romance him first, but he's so cute in this game that I was worried that after romancing him I wouldn't want to romance anyone else. I love unresolved sexual tension, so the fact Kaidan had to wait three games to get m!Shep works for me, and after his good-bye speech to a friend Shepard, I just can't see him as not being at least a little in love with Shepard, which makes me feel kind of bad for him. He's pines for three years and finally almost has a chance but then he ends up in the hospital and Shepard runs off with the shuttle pilot.

[Chaotic Loon]

Nejeli wrote....

I'm doing my first Kaidan romance now. I was going to romance him first, but he's so cute in this game that I was worried that after romancing him I wouldn't want to romance anyone else. I love unresolved sexual tension, so the fact Kaidan had to wait three games to get m!Shep works for me, and after his good-bye speech to a friend Shepard, I just can't see him as not being at least a little in love with Shepard, which makes me feel kind of bad for him. He's pines for three years and finally almost has a chance but then he ends up in the hospital and Shepard runs off with the shuttle pilot.

Haha, smart move in my opinion.  I made the "mistake" of romancing Kaidan in my first playthrough...he has imprinted on me to such a degree that it's negated any desire for me to experience the other romances.

I do want to see the Steve romance eventually....but the only way I think can do it without falling for Kaidan again is if he died on Virmire...thats what I'm doing in my current playthrough...but I just can't get motivated to finish it...

[Quething]

Chun Hei wrote...

My theory on why male LIs are so timid is that Bioware assumes most female heroes are being RPed by guys who will freak out if a guy aggressively hits on them. Women can be aggressive since lesbians are HAWT.

Yeah this.

In other news, every time a new name shows up and says "but why not femShep/Ash?" I die a little more inside. BIOWARE THERE ARE SO MANY OF US. WHY DID YOU NOT CARE. 

[Knightly_BW]

Nejeli wrote...

Asperius wrote...

Axialbloom wrote...

Steve kind of weirded me out. He just felt out of place somehow.

Hmm in sense you are right, he is bit out of place. Talking about his dead hubby and not having actuall interaction other than that matter, kinda puts him in out of place position.

Your first conversation with him has him mention his husband but mention he doesn't want to talk about it - that's maybe two lines.
Your second has him talking about it.
Third is Shepard telling him he needs to relax and get off the ship for a bit.
Next conversation is about ships.
Then there's the memorial wall scene.

Up to this point everything you do with Steve is about his husband, his grief for loosing him and trying to make him get over it. Then you kiss him and bang him.

In short everything is matter of perspective. I can understand your point of view and respect it. To me Steve will never feel like a true romance. In my eye for Steve, Shep is first available person to wash away last remains of sorrow with hot sex. In short I don't like his personality I think, at least what I saw in game. Also idea of sharing my bed with a ghost is creeping me out.

[Knightly_BW]

Bellendaine wrote...

Asperius wrote...

Phew! Finally reached the date scene with Kaidan.

So far:
- On second visit I gave him whiskey. Other than 3 points during that convo everything else was okay,including song. I also get "Are you flirting with me Commander?" line.
- Third hospital visit run smoothly.
- After Udina coup, on Normandy visit got "ass shot" scene. My sheps eyes were glued to Kaidan's back.
- Headed back to Citadel and get a weird date scene. I say weird because it think it started like femShep convo, he mentioned Shep as someone he cared. Then turned to regular m/m convo. Is it sounded bad? If you think earlier flirting/love declarations a bit odd to be honest but not more odd than regular out of blue flirting. However that date scene conversation sounded more natural than regular m/m one.

Anyway have a save before date will check 'morrow after mail date one. It feels like Kaidan coming out of my ears. Also I think I never mentioned this one, sometimes Kaidan feels like a little child, being happy about little things or dreaming simple things... it makes him way much cuter.

Awesome, great info, thanks again.  Yah, I like the relationship naivete of Kaidan as written and done by Sbarge.  It's good stuff.  I also think it works well with the backstory.  When I have the time to do a full 1/2/3 playthrough, I may have to see if I can do the gender switch modding on 1 and try the whole thing through, and just grit my teeth through everyone calling me ma'am ...

Actually this version makes more sense, at least from my Shepard's point of view. His longing after Kaidan while saying "he thinks about what he can loose", friendly/filrty poking Kaidan helps the immersion of wanting Kaidan but not being able to have him. Then having normal date scene on top of that made Kaidan romance for suitable for my Shepard or other Shepards whose waited for Kaidan since ME1.

I am going very fast in this walkthrough to see romance. Now only romance scene left to see, I hope after m/m date scene I can get m/m romance scene as well. It is soo good to pass up.

Another unrelated thing, I ressurrected Garrus for this run on Shep's save. Oh my! He is way too cool. Liara and Garrus makes good friends. I think I need to replay ME2 for Matt and make everyone survive Suicide Mission.

As for playing ME1 with modded romance... with ME3 romance I don't see a need for it. Flaging works so no need to play immersion breaking walkthrough in a game (I know it feels good however it can be annoying as hell at some points depending my modded Carth or Alistair romances). Flagging ME1 import as romanced with Kaidan and headcannon rest of the way seems more reasonable for me.

[Frozen83]

Asperius wrote...

Up to this point everything you do with Steve is about his husband, his grief for loosing him and trying to make him get over it. Then you kiss him and bang him.

In short everything is matter of perspective. I can understand your point of view and respect it. To me Steve will never feel like a true romance. In my eye for Steve, Shep is first available person to wash away last remains of sorrow with hot sex. In short I don't like his personality I think, at least what I saw in game. Also idea of sharing my bed with a ghost is creeping me out.

I hate you . Just kidding .

Any, as you said, it is a matter of perspective. To me it seems like he has burried his grief for months, until the mission starts. Then he sees people around him on Normany (and Shep), fighting with him and it brings back memories and feelings he's been ignoring for quite some time. He breaks and Shep has a chance to help him get through this. As the missions progress, Steve starts to feel connection between himself and his crewmates (and Shep) and is afraid that he might forget about his husband (whom he loved very much). Shep then reassure him that his memoiris are his own and that he shouldn't forget about him, but still move on and concentrate on the task ahead. I believe that all this lasts about few moths (you must help Palaven and Tuchanka, and do some exploration), plus six months of Shep being on Earth plus a couple of months before in ME2 when you learn about Ferris Fields = about a year since Robert died at that point.
After the Citadel is almost taken over, Steve goes out to have some fun, and Shep has a chance then to start something. From there until the end, the relationship is in its first couple of months (not years as with others, but it is a start). Something with possible future, something worth fighting for. Well this is at least how I see it... I really don't know why, but Kaidan as a friend and Steve as a LI just seems more in line with my Shep. Don't get me wrong, Kaidan's romance arc is very nice, but in the end I just didn't feel the connection with his character when he walks out of the Normandy as I did with Steve (I think because of the "this is the end" line Kaidan gives; I really wanted to paragade interrupt him - *****slap* "don't think like that" or something).
I would say - personal preference. M.

[Criz]

Chaotic Loon wrote...

Haha, smart move in my opinion.  I made the "mistake" of romancing Kaidan in my first playthrough...he has imprinted on me to such a degree that it's negated any desire for me to experience the other romances.

I do want to see the Steve romance eventually....but the only way I think can do it without falling for Kaidan again is if he died on Virmire...thats what I'm doing in my current playthrough...but I just can't get motivated to finish it...

that's what happened to me in DA2 with Anders
I tried to romance someone else, but instead of romancing Fenris on the mage, but pro-templar playthrough, I ended up doing the rivalmance with Anders ... probably should finish that playthrough some time ...

but I need to get the console commanded gay Kaidan romance through the trilogy first

[Knightly_BW]

Frozen83 wrote...

Asperius wrote...

Up to this point everything you do with Steve is about his husband, his grief for loosing him and trying to make him get over it. Then you kiss him and bang him.

In short everything is matter of perspective. I can understand your point of view and respect it. To me Steve will never feel like a true romance. In my eye for Steve, Shep is first available person to wash away last remains of sorrow with hot sex. In short I don't like his personality I think, at least what I saw in game. Also idea of sharing my bed with a ghost is creeping me out.

I hate you . Just kidding .

Any, as you said, it is a matter of perspective. To me it seems like he has burried his grief for months, until the mission starts. Then he sees people around him on Normany (and Shep), fighting with him and it brings back memories and feelings he's been ignoring for quite some time. He breaks and Shep has a chance to help him get through this. As the missions progress, Steve starts to feel connection between himself and his crewmates (and Shep) and is afraid that he might forget about his husband (whom he loved very much). Shep then reassure him that his memoiris are his own and that he shouldn't forget about him, but still move on and concentrate on the task ahead. I believe that all this lasts about few moths (you must help Palaven and Tuchanka, and do some exploration), plus six months of Shep being on Earth plus a couple of months before in ME2 when you learn about Ferris Fields = about a year since Robert died at that point.
After the Citadel is almost taken over, Steve goes out to have some fun, and Shep has a chance then to start something. From there until the end, the relationship is in its first couple of months (not years as with others, but it is a start). Something with possible future, something worth fighting for. Well this is at least how I see it... I really don't know why, but Kaidan as a friend and Steve as a LI just seems more in line with my Shep. Don't get me wrong, Kaidan's romance arc is very nice, but in the end I just didn't feel the connection with his character when he walks out of the Normandy as I did with Steve (I think because of the "this is the end" line Kaidan gives; I really wanted to paragade interrupt him - *****slap* "don't think like that" or something).
I would say - personal preference. M.

It is natural to see things differently. Otherwise we all would be boring straight persons.

Also I hate Steve's friend(s)... all one of them.  I want to punch him everytime he interrupts Steve's conversations. He is kinda attention wh*re. I always think during demo, his "Good luck in there Shepard" line as a person who trying to steal a screen time. I always find myself thinking "why this guy here?" when he tries to say something during Shep's conversations with others. On top of that if you pick renegade answers with him, he likes them.  

[Game_Fan_85]

Criz-Zone wrote...

that's what happened to me in DA2 with Anders
I tried to romance someone else, but instead of romancing Fenris on the mage, but pro-templar playthrough, I ended up doing the rivalmance with Anders ... probably should finish that playthrough some time ...

Ha, me too!  In all 9 plays of DA2 I just couldn't bring myself to let Hawke not be with Anders.  I hated Fenris in my first game and actually missed a lot of his story, such as fighting the slavers and meeting his sister.  He ended up dead at the end of the first game but in the second I got to know him better and liked him a but more.  Funny that I ended up friends with him as a mage.  I started his story on my third play but after Hawke slept with him it was back to Anders, just couldn't do it.

[Knightly_BW]

Game_Fan_85 wrote...

Criz-Zone wrote...

that's what happened to me in DA2 with Anders
I tried to romance someone else, but instead of romancing Fenris on the mage, but pro-templar playthrough, I ended up doing the rivalmance with Anders ... probably should finish that playthrough some time ...

Ha, me too!  In all 9 plays of DA2 I just couldn't bring myself to let Hawke not be with Anders.  I hated Fenris in my first game and actually missed a lot of his story, such as fighting the slavers and meeting his sister.  He ended up dead at the end of the first game but in the second I got to know him better and liked him a but more.  Funny that I ended up friends with him as a mage.  I started his story on my third play but after Hawke slept with him it was back to Anders, just couldn't do it.

Same with me... to an extend. I always found myself in bed with Isabela. She is the most fun thing in DA2. Also she never missed my Hawke/Zevran fun, more the merrier.

Some characters written so good I can't even roleplay being mean to them. Like Miranda, Morrigan, Liara, Kaidan, Thane, Mordin, Zevran, Aveline or Isabela.

[Ticondurus]

I also went with Anders, and my Hawke was a mage. He was like Jekyll & Hyde in bed though. Never knew who I was gonna get!

[Nejeli]

Chaotic Loon wrote...

Haha, smart move in my opinion.  I made the "mistake" of romancing Kaidan in my first playthrough...he has imprinted on me to such a degree that it's negated any desire for me to experience the other romances.

I might have the opposite problem. I like Steve so much that I'm kind of wibbling over romancing Kaidan. But after his 'Are you flirting with me? No, don't tell me!' line how can I not? XD I have one playthrough where I killed him on Virmire. That Shepard was supposed to go into ME2 unromanced and then fall for Samara, but Kaidan ninja'd me, so I killed him to avoid the romance, and that's probably the only playthrough I'll ever have in ME3 with Ashley, even though I like her a lot too, and even liked her a bit more than Kaidan in ME1.

Asperius wrote...

Up to this point everything you do with
Steve is about his husband, his grief for loosing him and trying to make
him get over it. Then you kiss him and bang him.

In short
everything is matter of perspective. I can understand your point of view
and respect it. To me Steve will never feel like a true romance. In my
eye for Steve, Shep is first available person to wash away last remains
of sorrow with hot sex. In short I don't like his personality I think,
at least what I saw in game. Also idea of sharing my bed with a ghost is
creeping me out.

Except there's no ghost in the bed. Steve never compares Shepard to Robert. Robert will always be there, yes, in that Steve isn't just going to forget him and pretend he never existed, but the whole point of the Memorial Wall scene was Steve coming to terms with Robert dying and moving on. He'll have moments where he misses Robert, certainly, but by the time you can romance him he's ready to try living again, the way Robert wanted him to, and a big part of that is because of Shepard, which is why he's willing to take the chance with him. (Also, I agree with Frozen83 that months have to have passed between them meeting and them finally getting together. So it's not like Steve is jumping into Shepard's bed mere days after meeting him. The game just does a very bad job of showing that time is passing.) Like I said in my other response, if all Steve wanted was to "wash away the last remains of sorrow with hot sex" there are quicker and easier ways to do so than to wait for Shepard to show an interest in him.

After the bomb mission, Steve tells Shepard to let him know that he's not in the vicinity the next time he sets off a bomb because 'for a minute, until I heard your voice, my heart stopped.' In the end conversation he tells Shepard he'll wait for him and that he better come back in one piece. Not exactly the words or actions of a man just looking for an easy lay. Their romance scene isn't explicit, and Steve never once implies he's even there for sex. He just wants to spend the time with Shepard. Aside from a few banter lines and Purgatory, their dialogue isn't even particularly titilatting. If Steve was just using Shepard for sex it would be there somewhere in the romance, and it's not.

You're welcome to your opinion, and it's fine if you think the romance just happens too fast, if it were a different set of characters in a different situation I might even agree with you, but I find many of your comments about Steve to be borderline bashing, and your constant implying that he's nothing but a user, even after people who have played out his romance tell you that's not the case, to be, well, boggling. I'm just not sure why you insist on seeing him this way, to the point of ignoring canon evidence that he's not.

Criz-Zone wrote...

that's what happened to me in DA2 with Anders I tried to romance someone else, but instead of romancing Fenris on the mage, but pro-templar playthrough, I ended up doing the rivalmance with Anders ... probably should finish that playthrough some time ...

I'm having this problem right now. It's not a pro-templar playthrough, I can't bring myself to support the templars, but I rivalmanced Anders to see the Justice divide and now I just... don't have the drive to finish it. I should, but I hate arguing with him. I keep wanting to just restart and friendmance him. Though, I haven't even rivaled Merrill yet. XD I guess just don't like having my companions hate me.

Modifié par Nejeli, 21 mars 2012 - 08:39 .

[Criz]

what's wrong with kaidan-romancing femShep players?

Kaidan's character got a lot of crap thrown his way because people thought he's a whiner for bringing up the story about Vyrnnus, yet there are numerous times when he tells Shepard that he's over it and left it behind. If you romance him Shepard will also mention that this is Kaidan's reason for being so controlled because Rhana spurned him after killing Vyrnnus and all that, but there is one quote I haven't really seen brought up in defense if Kaidan not being a whiner.

"Kaidan, you're a strong man. Talking about this doesn't make you a whiner, and it doesn't make you immature. It makes you human."

or am I being unjust and just missed it?

[Criz]

Nejeli wrote...

Criz-Zone wrote...

that's what happened to me in DA2 with Anders
I
tried to romance someone else, but instead of romancing Fenris on the
mage, but pro-templar playthrough, I ended up doing the rivalmance with
Anders ... probably should finish that playthrough some time ...

I'm having this problem right now. It's not a pro-templar playthrough, I can't bring myself to support the templars, but I rivalmanced Anders to see the Justice divide and now I just... don't have the drive to finish it. I should, but I hate arguing with him. I keep wanting to just restart and friendmance him. Though, I haven't even rivaled Merrill yet. XD I guess just don't like having my companions hate me.

in my case it's actually just a time issue ... there are so many games I have laying around that I should finish and then the preparations of Me imports and playing ME3 isn't helping

I wanted to romance Fenris, but after seeing a vid on YT of Anders being taking over by Justice in the rivalmance, I just had to experience that first hand ... my Hawke's relationship with Anders is less healthy than the 'you're exactly what I need' romance Shepard has with Kaidan ... but they're both so ... I just can't picture them with anyone else, it seems so right.
I have to start new playthroughs and headcanon Shepard differently if I want to romance someone else. But for Hawke ... I'm locked on Anders, no way around it