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[xassantex]

HAHAHA, brilliant.
i loved the soundtrack of "critical mission failure" at the end.

[VirtualStranger]

EDIT: Never mind

Modifié par VirtualStranger, 25 juin 2011 - 05:02 .

[Eternal Dust]

Luna Siwora wrote...

Octoberfire: the gif in the middle of your signature just made me melt.

Cara Mason: Instant chick magnet. Woo!

[ladyofpayne]

They tell how is our Star-gay?

[AreleX]

Abispa wrote...

AreleX wrote...

You guys did it, they listened!

Good job to everybody that's supported this for so long, that's awesome.

The Harbinger romance video?

Oh, definitely the Harbinger romance video, but also a teeny bit that you guys who have been lobbying for same-sex romances got them to put it in ME3.

(Harbinger romance still wins, but you guys did an okay job, I guess...)

[Optiic7]

I wonder how BioWare is going to implement this in ME3. like me i romanced Liara in ME1 and Miranda in ME2 so does this mean i can like suddenly develop feelings for Garrus? in my opinion Same sex should have been implemented since the first game.

[AreleX]

Optiic7 wrote...

I wonder how BioWare is going to implement this in ME3. like me i romanced Liara in ME1 and Miranda in ME2 so does this mean i can like suddenly develop feelings for Garrus? in my opinion Same sex should have been implemented since the first game.

I agree with you. I'm curious to see how they implement it with existing characters, but still, I'm happy that they're implementing it at all. Gotta get a start somewhere, right?

[ElitePinecone]

Optiic7 wrote...

I wonder how BioWare is going to implement this in ME3. like me i romanced Liara in ME1 and Miranda in ME2 so does this mean i can like suddenly develop feelings for Garrus? in my opinion Same sex should have been implemented since the first game.

I highly doubt Garrus will be an option. 

And yes, it should've been done from the first game - but it wasn't. 

It has been confirmed for ME3, however. 

[Dhiro]

Optiic7 wrote...

I wonder how BioWare is going to implement this in ME3. like me i romanced Liara in ME1 and Miranda in ME2 so does this mean i can like suddenly develop feelings for Garrus? in my opinion Same sex should have been implemented since the first game.

I'm assuming that Garrus won't be a s/s option. But I don't see nothing wrong with you 'sudenly developping feelings for Garrus'. It is your character, after all.

[Ryzaki]

I want dude Shep to get with Garrus...

He's the only returning male (other than Joker) I really want.

[78stonewobble]

Montezuma IV wrote...


Well then let's talk standard on how one (a typical gamer) should take a Multi-bisexual romance option....

It's still overreacting.

Well personally I'd also find it silly that all existing characters jump out as bi's. It doesn't seem realistic (to me) and would interfere with my personal wholly subjective interpretation of the characters so far ingame.

I would probably not notice it ingame and it would remove like... Hmm loose guess <5 % of immersion if/when I think about it.

To some that change would seem like a bigger thing and some other wouldn''t notice it at all. I'd rather give people options that are important to them than let my minor issue take priority.

If the game had a multi-bisexual romance from the beginning. No problem... Because that's the state of that "universe".


Hmm why would anyone want bi or s/s options? Probably something that ultimately stems from an equally subjective personal preference right? So isn't that want also an overreaction?


Everybody wants something. Often you can reach a good compromise that everybody can live with and feel happy about (since it's better than "nothing"). But... in the end. If you want something it comes at a loss to someone somewhere.


Thankfully most of the people here aren't as stubborn as to refuse to buy the game just because they didn't get minor thing xyz. Thats overreacting IMHO and from my point of view.

And I hope that lots more future games have options for everybody.

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 25 juin 2011 - 08:54 .

[Han Shot First]

I agree that Bioware shouldn't randomly retcon characters that expressed either no previous attraction to either the same sex or Shepard, to suddenly wanting to have gay/lesbian sex with him or her in ME3.

The only character I can think of who was bi but not a same-sex romance option in previous games was Jack. She mentions that she used to have a polyamorous relationship with a male and female 'couple.'

Any other non-Asari same sex romance options should be new characters.

I know some will argue that just because a character doesn't indicate an interest in the same sex, doesn't mean they aren't gay or bi. But here is the problem with that viewpoint: it by default removes heterosexual characters from the game. Now everyone would be either gay, bi, or their sexuality is undetermined.

So I think a character's sexuality should be determined by whatever they reveal about their past dating history, and whether or not they show an attraction to Shepard. If they've only spoken of heterosexual relationships and have only shown an attraction to a Shepard of the opposite sex in previous games, they should be flagged as heterosexual for ME3.

I also don't think characters should be Shepardsexual. The idea that a heterosexual character wouldn't be attracted to the same sex until Shepard came along with his awesome dance movies, or even that a homosexual character could be won over by a Shepard of the opposite sex, is pretty ridiculous. I get it that Shepard is pure unadulterated awesome, but unless he is given Reaper indoctrination powers his ability to influence NPCs should be somewhat limited.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 25 juin 2011 - 10:08 .

[ElitePinecone]

Han Shot First wrote...

I agree that Bioware shouldn't randomly retcon characters that expressed either no previous attraction to either the same sex or Shepard, to suddenly wanting to have gay/lesbian sex with him or her in ME3.

The only character I can think of who was bi but not a same-sex romance option in previous games was Jack. She mentions that she used to have a polyamorous relationship with a male and female 'couple.'

Any other non-Asari same sex romance options should be new characters.

I know some will argue that just because a character doesn't indicate an interest in the same sex, doesn't mean they aren't gay or bi. But here is the problem with that viewpoint: it by default removes heterosexual characters from the game. Now everyone would be either gay, bi, or their sexuality is undetermined.

So I think a character's sexuality should be determined by whatever they reveal about their past dating history, and whether or not they show an attraction to Shepard. If they've only spoken of heterosexual relationships and have only shown an attraction to a Shepard of the opposite sex in previous games, they should be flagged as heterosexual for ME3.

I also don't think characters should be Shepardsexual. The idea that a heterosexual character wouldn't be attracted to the same sex until Shepard came along with his awesome dance movies, or even that a homosexual character could be won over by a Shepard of the opposite sex, is pretty ridiculous. I get it that Shepard is pure unadulterated awesome, but unless he is given Reaper indoctrination powers his ability to influence NPCs should be somewhat limited.

This is a reasonable view, but Bioware will do what they do. 

I'd take issue with your argument that ambiguous sexuality automatically equals an absence of heterosexuality, though. Characters are still heterosexual - and always were heterosexual - when they say they are. Up until that point, we have no idea. Presuming the normality of heterosexuality is problematic in contemporary society, let alone 2186. 

I'm fairly apathetic about former characters becoming available for s/s in ME3, because frankly it's great that any options are there at all. I wouldn't necessarily eliminate the option of previous characters becoming available if BioWare chose to go down that path, because I think the scope is there in the writing given what these characters have been through with Shepard. Up to the moment where a character categorically rejects an advance by a same-genderd-Shepard, or says they're exclusively attracted to the opposite sex, they're not heterosexual. We're just presuming. 

That said, I think the most likely outcome is new characters for Shepard in ME3, based on the tidbits of information we've got so far. 

I completely agree about 'Shepardsexuality' though. It's a gimmick that fundamentally undermines the agency of the developers in creating realistic NPCs. Far too much s/s content relies on the trope of "I've never been with a [woman/man/lizard] before you appeared!", it'd be great if we had a well adjusted character that reacted to Shepard's advances with something other than "normally I wouldn't but you're just so epic". 

[Momiji.mii]

I'm really happy about the inclusion of same-sex relationships in ME3 and I encourage all my friends to support the ME franchise (especially since it's a great game!). I don't really have any opinions as to how the ss romance options should be applied. Make them all bi, make some of them gay, make my mShep be able to sleep with Kaidan, make them hit on me or make me have to hit on them to get a reaction, make only some companions available for ss; I don't really care how they chose to do it, I just care that they finally will! I think it's awesome and hopefully the gamers will react well to what I consider a change for the better.

...but if my mShep can finally realise his hidden feelings for Kaidan, that would be the most awesome thing ever.

[VirtualStranger]

A small part of me wants to have s/s party members hit on Shepard and not give the player a chance to harm them, but instead just respectfully decline their advances. If only to see the butthurt reaction it would get from the homophobic frat boy shooter crowd.

Maybe it might teach them something about how a mature person interacts with people who are different than them.

[Sutamina]

from "Bisexuality in Dragon Age 2. Thoughts?" thread
Selene Moonsong
"Simply stated, the player is the one making the choice, not the character,
The character is simply designed to accommodate the player's choice. You can only play one Shepard at a time of either gender. If you play a male character and chose to strike up a romance with a male character, your romantic interest is Gay, as may your character be. If your male character chooses to strike up a romantic interest with a female character, then the character is straight, as may be your character,

The choice is yours, not theirs; they are meant to accommodate your Shepard choices, no matter gender, not the other way around.. Unless the character you are involved with actually states otherwise, which is why I included the Kelly example and why I state that it is a foolish to suggest that a given character is bisexual, rather than straight or gay; is a matter of perspective and perceptions of the player. "

Kevin Lynch "That would go both ways, however. With the only evidence provided being whatever is shown to the player within the context of their current game, that is all the PC knows. The player can grab metadata from elsewhere and make assumptions, but if you use only evidence provided in-game to the current PC, then you can't make the suggestion that all are bisexual. Taking that angle, all characters could be considered bisexual until they say otherwise (although they could be lying, so that still proves nothing). Bottom line is that it's going to be the writers that determine the characteristics of the NPCs; what is offered to the PC as "evidence" is all you can use to make up your mind. Something like real life. After all, everyone on the planet could be considered bisexual if you consider the lack of conclusive evidence to be your guide."

No matter what they do people will find a way to be upset so... pull up a chair and pout.

[SilentNukee]

http://social.biowar...5/index/7729001

[VirtualStranger]

Edit: Ninja'd by SN

Modifié par VirtualStranger, 25 juin 2011 - 01:18 .

[LiaraShepard]

I'd like to have the option for all characters being bisexual. It would be nice to choose their sexuality with the character editor at the beginning. If you create Shepard being straight, then none of the same sex characters will flirt with him/her and vice versa. And if you make him bisexual or incertain, all of them are possible romance options for both sexes. (it doesn't mean that they have to act bisexually in a very obvious manner, just like Isabella from Dragon Age. But at least, they are available for both genders). I love gay and lesbian romance option, and it's not fair to have less romance options than the heterosexual gamers. I don't like the argument, that it'd be out of character. As long as there aren't own homosexual characters it's better to make them all bi. And if you can choose it at the beginning with the charakter creditor, no heterosexual gamer has to be offened. As for me, I like the idea in Dragon Age 2 that all of them are bi. It's better to have full choices, because I always wanted to date Morrigan with my female character in DA1 and it didn't work. It always felt "wrong" to date Leliana. I especially wish, that Ashley and Miranda will be bisexual. But it's very unlikely. hmmm :/

Modifié par LiaraShepard, 25 juin 2011 - 01:42 .

[ElitePinecone]

SilentNukee wrote...

http://social.biowar...5/index/7729001

Oh, wow. 

At least we have some more information now! 

[Roachbugg]

ElitePinecone wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...

http://social.biowar...5/index/7729001

Oh, wow. 

At least we have some more information now! 

A smaller flicker of hope yay

[xassantex]

BW has confirmed s/s , therefore i imagine they know exactly what characters will be gay/bi .
well, i hope..lol

Modifié par xassantex, 25 juin 2011 - 03:27 .

[Cootie]

Actually, if I were to design S/S romances, I would record everyone as possible s/s options and decide which ones to actually put in the game much later.
It's a lot easier than if you'd decide which ones are bisexual early on and then realise lots later through the production that you want to change something.

I imagine that's a lot more frustrating. But again, I'm no expert, and I don't know anything, really.
I just play pretend.

Also, I think it would be weird if an actor said No to any question regarding m/m in Mass Effect 3, as it's a bit... unprofessional. Besides, saying No means that Kaidan wouldn't be an option, while Yes is the more elusive option.
He keeps integrity and reveals absolutely nothing. Soooo... don't get your hopes up. >.<

God damnit, I'm such a hypocrite!
GO KAIDAN GO!

Modifié par Cootie, 25 juin 2011 - 04:23 .

[ArawnNox]

SilentNukee wrote...

http://social.biowar...5/index/7729001

Well, he also recorded m/m lines for ME1, didn't he? However, with the increased production time, it's unlikley that it's going to get cut for time, this round.