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[Cuddlezarro]

how iv coped with the endings :ignore the last 5 min ever existed and end the game on the anderson/shepard looking at earth scene"

that scene was amazing the writing and the acting was top notch so I like to think the game just ends there with the crucible destroying the reapers

[MageTarot]

Well, now that one of the founders of BioWare have commented on the endings it's going to be interesting to see what news we will be given next month.

And for the record, I still believe the BW was up to something regarding the endings but horribly miscalculated. Instead of an ad for DLC showing up at the end they could have just said three words:   "The Saga Continues".  Sure, players would have been upset but nowhere near the levels I've seen in other forum threads or even on sites such as Amazon.com.  Let's face it - a title that was fully expected to be a blockbuster but now has a 2 1/2 - star rating would give ANY company apoplexy.

Oh, and I'm still holding out hope that a M!Shep/Kaidan romance will end with a better resolution than the one that is currently offered.  Yeah, yeah, I know -- sappy sentimentalist here! 

[Bellendaine]

MageTarot wrote...


Oh, and I'm still holding out hope that a M!Shep/Kaidan romance will end with a better resolution than the one that is currently offered.  Yeah, yeah, I know -- sappy sentimentalist here! 

I'm right there with ya' ...

I keep hoping for a LI DLC, too ... not *just* for Kaidan/MShep, but for Ash, too.  It seems llike anyone who romanced the VS got a little less game-time with their LI (excepting Sam & Cortez, of coures, but they're in special cats).

[Akrim_Drak]

Little off-topic but relevant for at least half the crowd here. This is concept art of the Cerberus Agents for ME3... I think they shoulda ran with it!





Bulge much? They need to give Shepard an outfit like that.

Modifié par Akrim_Drak, 21 mars 2012 - 11:48 .

[MageTarot]

Akrim_Drak wrote...
Bulge much? They need to give Shepard an outfit like that.

Nice to know Aussiebum's "Wonder Jock" is still available two hundred years from now. 

[Statim]

I know during my first playthrough, the Steve situation made me fill icky.  And I see that mentioned quite a bit.  In a way, I think it's our own perception because we are playing through the game trying to make a gay relationship happen.  During my 3rd or 4th round, I won't feel like a vulture since I'm not rushing to see what happens.

Now, I think they missed a real opportunity with Steve in the scene before the assault on Cerberus.  Instead of giving a sitrep to Shep, they should have had a heart-to-heart.  If I was Shep, I would be a little jealous of Robert.  I would also be worried that Steve might not be over him.  Then Steve would reassure Shep.
 
Robert's relationship with Steve had fundamentally changed him.  And since Shep has fallen in love with Steve, he should appreciate Robert's influence.  Now Shep will add his mark on Steve's psyche.  We are all a sum of our experiences and relationships.

And since Steve has already lost one husband, having Shep leave should be tearing him up inside.  Letting Shep go should be a lot more emotional during that scene.  I'm thinking Steve should be choking back tears during a final embrace.

[bleetman]

Akrim_Drak wrote...



Bulge much? They need to give Shepard an outfit like that.

That is... hilariously disturbing.

Or disturbingly hilarious. Forget which. Doesn't matter.

[Chun Hei]

If Shepard were a person IRL ALL of his/her romances could be considered creepy.

[Chun Hei]

bleetman wrote...

Akrim_Drak wrote...



Bulge much? They need to give Shepard an outfit like that.

That is... hilariously disturbing.

Or disturbingly hilarious. Forget which. Doesn't matter.

What he needs is a pony.

[Cuddlezarro]

Akrim_Drak wrote...

Little off-topic but relevant for at least half the crowd here. This is concept art of the Cerberus Agents for ME3... I think they shoulda ran with it!




Bulge much? They need to give Shepard an outfit like that.

while not a bulge the greaves that boost weapon damage by +10% (something starting with h) show sheps ass really nicely(read tight fitting cloth) =3

[Criz]

I think with the right angle, the black underpants have quite the bulge, too *hehe*

also, I can't help it, but in some of the casual outfits like the N7 hoodie or standard alliance ones ... the running cycle is a bit awkward, but the movement of Shepard's ass is kind of hypnoticly sexy
I'm so glad player feedback is anonymous, imaging someone going, 'oh look, Criz is running around the Citadel again ... looking at Shepard's ass' >_<

[Cuddlezarro]

Criz-Zone wrote...

I think with the right angle, the black underpants have quite the bulge, too *hehe*

also, I can't help it, but in some of the casual outfits like the N7 hoodie or standard alliance ones ... the running cycle is a bit awkward, but the movement of Shepard's ass is kind of hypnoticly sexy
I'm so glad player feedback is anonymous, imaging someone going, 'oh look, Criz is running around the Citadel again ... looking at Shepard's ass' >_<

sheps underwear does have a bulge and if you turn up the brightness you will see that they hug his ass tighter than mirandas catsuit hugs her

[Knightly_BW]

I can say whoever that concept artist has great taste. I like it. I draw bulges bigger than usual too.

Back on my modded Shep/Kaidan romance.
- Romance also runs like m/m one.

As I forgot there is also last parting screen I quit the game without saving last night so if someone want to play modded Kaidan romance they have to experience it themselves. I will re-run Matt as romance flagged only for one scene. Where Shepard looks Kaidan when he talks about he thinks what he can loose is what I wanted to see. Little missing VO and glitchy song didn't bother me much as after date scene everything turns to m/m romance anyway.

That fast run kinda burnt me out so I will go back to ME2 and create some romance runs. People keep thinking ME2 LIs got the shaft on ME3 so I want to see them myself. Also need to do one Abondoned Council/Killed Rachni Queen run.

Best part of that speed run was Garrus. His friendship talks are too good. Worst part was I had to kill Legion (not enough reputation to charm). Also forgot to check Garrus and Tali before Cerberus base attack.

Another thing, I was able to skip Jack, Samara or Grunt. Let Legion die. Even Thane died all alone as I didn't visit him. Only thing I couldn't do is skipping Miranda. This one was my 7th run of ME3 including half ones, still after every talk with her my heart aches a bit. Sending her into unknown all alone gives me that unsettling feeling even I know how thing will progress. Luckily even without charm option I was be able to save her last night.

[Quething]

IsaacShep wrote...
Unless they looked at it from balance perspective - FemShep already had Liara. Available from day 1 at that. If Ash was available, then FemShep would've had 4 f/f romances granting Paramour achievement in ME3 - Liara, Ash, Kelly & Samantha. Twice as much compared to GayShep

If they looked at it from a balance perspective, dudeShep wouldn't have two o/s and two s/s options, at least one of each of whom is guaranteed to be there, while femShep has one o/s option and two s/s options, with no guarantee that any o/s romance is available at all. Balance between femShep and dudeShep is not a priority for them or even an interest of theirs, never has been, never will be. If they wanted the numerical balance you're arguing, Ash would not be available to anyone. Because then dudeShep would have Liara, or Steve or Kaidan, and femShep would have Kaidan, or Sam or Liara, and all sides would be equal.

[Knightly_BW]

Quething wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...
Unless they looked at it from balance perspective - FemShep already had Liara. Available from day 1 at that. If Ash was available, then FemShep would've had 4 f/f romances granting Paramour achievement in ME3 - Liara, Ash, Kelly & Samantha. Twice as much compared to GayShep

If they looked at it from a balance perspective, dudeShep wouldn't have two o/s and two s/s options, at least one of each of whom is guaranteed to be there, while femShep has one o/s option and two s/s options, with no guarantee that any o/s romance is available at all. Balance between femShep and dudeShep is not a priority for them or even an interest of theirs, never has been, never will be. If they wanted the numerical balance you're arguing, Ash would not be available to anyone. Because then dudeShep would have Liara, or Steve or Kaidan, and femShep would have Kaidan, or Sam or Liara, and all sides would be equal.

I have my guesses about Ashley/Kaidan:
- She is poster girl of Mass Effect
- She is considered very religious (even Christian by some people)
- Devs wanted to make difference between Kaidan and Ashley bigger
- Devs don't care about Kaidan much as he is not live on many saves
- Devs tried to keep their 2 LI for each orientation in a twisted sense. One orientation can have more than 2 but each must have at least 2. So Straight males got Ashley/Tali, gays got Steve/Kaidan, lesbians got Samantha/Liara and straight ladies have Kaidan/Garrus. (Personal opinion:  If there must be a change about current LIs, I will want to see Vega LI for straight females. Keep in mind I hate Vega and wanted to play Ashley romance with my lesbian Shepard)

In the end whatever the reason it is a pity Ashley ain't S/S romance. To be honest after seeing terrible intro to Samantha romance my lesbian shep will die alone. Kelly was a big meh on ME2. I can't even think her as romance but hey look game also ain't consider as romance (even with dinner your save says No romance in ME2). Samantha has the worst romance scene I've seen so far. After fun and hot Isabela romance on DA2 I was kinda expecting to enjoy it instead of freaking out. That only leaves Liara as a reasonable option for lesbian sheps. If you are not into aliens, well good luck on future games. Worst part as far as I know you can't even mod and have fairly enjoyable romance with Ashley as one can do on ME1.

[Zandilar]

Asperius wrote...
I have my guesses about Ashley/Kaidan:
- She is poster girl of Mass Effect

Being the "poster girl" disqualifies her from potentially being bisexual?

Ashley really isn't the poster girl for the series, despite her appearing in the CGI trailers. She can potentially be dead for the entre series. If there is a poster girl, it would be Liara.

In all truth, though, the poster child of the Mass Effect series is Sheppoo.... err Sheploo. 

- She is considered very religious (even Christian by some people)

Non-straight people can be relgious. Non-straight people can even be Christian. In fact, there are several sects of the Christian cult that are welcoming of non-straight people. And it's not like we're talking about Earth 2012 here.

- Devs wanted to make difference between Kaidan and Ashley bigger

If they'd really wanted that, they'd have made them different in multiple ways, not just their sexuality.

- Devs don't care about Kaidan much as he is not live on many saves

So... Let me get this straight (pun not intended)... The devs, because they didn't care about Kaiden, made him bisexual? If they really didn't care about him, they wouldn't have done the extra work to put in a different romance with him for m!Shep.

If anything, it looks like they didn't care about Ashley. She remains a romantic interest for m!Shepard, but got barely any interaction with female Shepard. Some poster child for the series, huh?

Not going to take on the rest of your post, just wanted to address these points in particular.

[Bowie Hawkins]

Akrim_Drak wrote...

Bulge much? They need to give Shepard an outfit like that.

The phrase "I'm Commander Shepard, and those are my favorite pants on the Citadel" springs to mind...

[ElitePinecone]

bleetman wrote...

That is... hilariously disturbing.

Or disturbingly hilarious. Forget which. Doesn't matter.

Those Reaper tech enhancements are really something. 

[Knightly_BW]

Zandilar wrote...

Asperius wrote...
I have my guesses about Ashley/Kaidan:
- She is poster girl of Mass Effect

Being the "poster girl" disqualifies her from potentially being bisexual?

Ashley really isn't the poster girl for the series, despite her appearing in the CGI trailers. She can potentially be dead for the entre series. If there is a poster girl, it would be Liara.

In all truth, though, the poster child of the Mass Effect series is Sheppoo.... err Sheploo. 

- She is considered very religious (even Christian by some people)

Non-straight people can be relgious. Non-straight people can even be Christian. In fact, there are several sects of the Christian cult that are welcoming of non-straight people. And it's not like we're talking about Earth 2012 here.

- Devs wanted to make difference between Kaidan and Ashley bigger

If they'd really wanted that, they'd have made them different in multiple ways, not just their sexuality.

- Devs don't care about Kaidan much as he is not live on many saves

So... Let me get this straight (pun not intended)... The devs, because they didn't care about Kaiden, made him bisexual? If they really didn't care about him, they wouldn't have done the extra work to put in a different romance with him for m!Shep.

If anything, it looks like they didn't care about Ashley. She remains a romantic interest for m!Shepard, but got barely any interaction with female Shepard. Some poster child for the series, huh?

Not going to take on the rest of your post, just wanted to address these points in particular.

Those guesses all related to devs' worries about backfire/rage. With endings they even got away with gay character  Steve or bi-Kaidan.

Notice that Kaidan is easier to ninjaflirt than any other Bioware games up to date. We are not talking about popping up romance option (which always has counter option to disable romance) but Kaidan hitting on maleShep. Be friendly to Kaidan and bam he starts hitting on your dude. No option to stop that or stopping your male shep kinda hitting on Kaidan in return.

As for time consumption and resource usage, as Kaidan romance not very different from f/m romance (at least only 3 or 5 lines non voiced with flagged Kaidan romance for male shep) I don't see those as big factor. However I am not bright about tech issues, please keep that in mind.

And there were rumors (you know that guy who was playing game before release) about Ashley being bi. Her lines cut out when game went gold? If they did that supports my belief devs chickened out putting in Ashley because of negative feedback. Again, Ashley would stay straight in most games as she was more popular LI in ME1. Straight male players like F/F options at least okay with it. I dread to think "religion" factor was more important on last straw.

In the end we can't be sure about real reasons unless a dev step up and say something. It can as complicated as theories around here or can be simple "We didn't want to".

[Frozen83]

And you all thought "This hurts you", "Why do you resist us" and "I know you feel this" were just some random Collectors' party banter... M.

[Quething]

Asperius wrote...

In the end whatever the reason it is a pity Ashley ain't S/S romance. To be honest after seeing terrible intro to Samantha romance my lesbian shep will die alone. Kelly was a big meh on ME2. I can't even think her as romance but hey look game also ain't consider as romance (even with dinner your save says No romance in ME2). Samantha has the worst romance scene I've seen so far. After fun and hot Isabela romance on DA2 I was kinda expecting to enjoy it instead of freaking out. That only leaves Liara as a reasonable option for lesbian sheps. If you are not into aliens, well good luck on future games. Worst part as far as I know you can't even mod and have fairly enjoyable romance with Ashley as one can do on ME1.

Depends on your tolerance for dropped lines, but yeah. I'm so bummed that they didn't even give us that. I mean, they did in ME2. They did on Mars! I can't see any reason they'd stop using the "Hale and Meer both do all Shepard lines" method, so they even probably have all the voice work for a continuing hackedmance already. They couldn't at least slap the rest of it on the disc for us? 

[ElitePinecone]

Quething wrote...
I can't see any reason they'd stop using the "Hale and Meer both do all Shepard lines" method, so they even probably have all the voice work for a continuing hackedmance already. They couldn't at least slap the rest of it on the disc for us? 

The "Hale and Meer both do all Shepard lines" method was way back in ME when the scripts were still on paper. 

For ME3 it was a much more tailored effort, the system they used (I believe it's called VADA) meant they could play other parts of the conversation to the voice actor so that they could react to things and be in context.

It also means it doesn't make much sense to, say, have Hale record Shepard/Ashley lines, since there are unique lines (at least for Kaidan?) that don't have a m/f counterpart. Reading most of the background to the voice recording sessions, it sounds like it was pretty meticulously planned out (they kept putting off Martin Sheen's session until they finished TIM's ending dialogue, as late as December 2011). 

Unless people have identified femShep lines from the November beta that don't appear in ME3? 

I mean, it's still possible that she was intended, and cut, or that Hale really did record all the lines for some reason, but I'd tend to think they only put the additional m/m in after the announcement in mid-2011. 

For what it's worth, I asked Karin Weekes about the Ashley/Kaidan situation a few weeks ago, her response just mentioned that they took into account a delicate balance of technical requirements and community feedback. I think that's about as detailed an answer as we'll get. 

[evisneffo]

ElitePinecone wrote...

For what it's worth, I asked Karin Weekes about the Ashley/Kaidan situation a few weeks ago, her response just mentioned that they took into account a delicate balance of technical requirements and community feedback. I think that's about as detailed an answer as we'll get. 

I'm sure there were good reasons. Just, however you slice it, this cheese stinks makes me sad. At least they listen though!

Modifié par evisneffo, 22 mars 2012 - 12:57 .

[Knightly_BW]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Quething wrote...
I can't see any reason they'd stop using the "Hale and Meer both do all Shepard lines" method, so they even probably have all the voice work for a continuing hackedmance already. They couldn't at least slap the rest of it on the disc for us? 

The "Hale and Meer both do all Shepard lines" method was way back in ME when the scripts were still on paper. 

For ME3 it was a much more tailored effort, the system they used (I believe it's called VADA) meant they could play other parts of the conversation to the voice actor so that they could react to things and be in context.

It also means it doesn't make much sense to, say, have Hale record Shepard/Ashley lines, since there are unique lines (at least for Kaidan?) that don't have a m/f counterpart. Reading most of the background to the voice recording sessions, it sounds like it was pretty meticulously planned out (they kept putting off Martin Sheen's session until they finished TIM's ending dialogue, as late as December 2011). 

Unless people have identified femShep lines from the November beta that don't appear in ME3? 

I mean, it's still possible that she was intended, and cut, or that Hale really did record all the lines for some reason, but I'd tend to think they only put the additional m/m in after the announcement in mid-2011. 

For what it's worth, I asked Karin Weekes about the Ashley/Kaidan situation a few weeks ago, her response just mentioned that they took into account a delicate balance of technical requirements and community feedback. I think that's about as detailed an answer as we'll get. 

Hmm thanks for info Elite.

I remember someone saying in a poll or in some polls Kaidan was first pick for s/s romance.  It is kinda unfortunate. Maybe I am assuming wrong , correct me if I am wrong about that one, but avarage gaming communities goes like this: Straight Male > Gay Male > Straight Female > Lesbian Female. So as long as they keep player feedback a reason for romances, lesbians will always have shortest straw. Unless guys like us add our  voices to them.

[Sporothrix]

ElitePinecone wrote...
For what it's worth, I asked Karin Weekes about the Ashley/Kaidan situation a few weeks ago, her response just mentioned that they took into account a delicate balance of technical requirements and community feedback. I think that's about as detailed an answer as we'll get. 

Well, that explains why they didn't put even half as effort into developing Samantha's romance. So much of Bioware's "inclusive" stance.

Make me think that it could be better if there was separated thread for f/f romances. Guys (and gals which were speaking solely about m/m romances) dominated that place - no wonder since at the time you were in worse situation – lesbians at least had substitute to lesbian romance and some mere fling with Kelly. Better than nothing as they say.

But it turns out that devs, while looking at this thread, saw mostly discussions about m/m romances, so they came to conclusion that they don't have to bother about putting similar amount of work into lesbian ones, because there is no"community feedback".

Maybe if there was separated thread about f/f romances, our voices wouldn't become invisible, as it occured here.

Modifié par misoretu9, 22 mars 2012 - 01:59 .