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[Akrim_Drak]

So holy crap you get tons of email in this app @_@...

So far (I just finished Palavan) I have.

Liara: If it's all right, I've set up equipment in the old XO quarters. Hopefully it'll help.

Liara: Hope you like what I've done with the room. I'll let you know when I have more data on the Crucible. (No idea what room she's talking about)

Joker: Hey, don't scratch the paint on the new EDI-bot, okay?

Garrus: Good to be back where I belong. Less politics and more shooting.

Garrus: Alliance tech have this cannon out of alignment. Good thing you've got me to help.

Traynor: I'm making preparations for the Normandy, to serve as our summit conference center. Good luck, Commander.

Udina: Without the Asari, your summit fails. Anderson didn't lay enough groundwork. I'll fix what I can. (What a douche)

Kaidan: Heard you came by while I was out. Thanks, Commander. I'm up, most of the time, at least.

Joker: I think next time we hit the Citadel, I'm gonna show EDI the sights. No way that could go wrong, right?

I'll be curing the genophage, romancing Steve, and gaining both the Quarians and Geth fyi, so you guys know what story events some of these pertain to.

[Cuddlezarro]

Liara: Hope you like what I've done with the room. I'll let you know when I have more data on the Crucible. (No idea what room she's talking about)

pretty sure shes talkign about mirandas cabin since she gave it a total make over

also Javiks email after you complete the genophage arc is hilarious

[Bellendaine]

Game_Fan_85 wrote...

@Bellendaine:  Maybe the cutscenes switching to femShep have something to do with the cut scenes freezing.  Did you do the hex edit or the regular console command switch or both?

I just did the console command switch.  Is there a better way to do it?  I don't know the hex edit version ...

[Daashi]

Hello all, how has everyone been while I've been playing ME3 on my ultimate save. No one been fighting have they?

Still trying to get over the game. I loved Mordin's death, I loved Thane's death. It just was a lot of death, death and more bloody death with a "lovely" side order of WTF at the end. I turned on my console earlier and tried to start playing, it didn't work. I am so glad I didn't save my Kaidan/mShep romance for my second playthrough, not that I don't love Steve, but I have wanted Kaidan from the get go.

[Frozen83]

Akrim_Drak wrote...
*snip*

Thank you! I don't have iPhone, so I appreciate this input. Keep posting!

I'll be curing the genophage, romancing Steve, and gaining both the Quarians and Geth fyi, so you guys know what story events some of these pertain to.

Good man! That is my "canon" playthrough also! And, please, don't forget to save MIri ! M.

[Bellendaine]

Daashi wrote...

I am so glad I didn't save my Kaidan/mShep romance for my second playthrough, not that I don't love Steve, but I have wanted Kaidan from the get go.

Same here ... always loved me some K-man.

And things are well behaved so far. 

[Daashi]

Bellendaine wrote...

Daashi wrote...

I am so glad I didn't save my Kaidan/mShep romance for my second playthrough, not that I don't love Steve, but I have wanted Kaidan from the get go.

Same here ... always loved me some K-man.

And things are well behaved so far. 

That was actually me saying that I might not be able to make a second playthrough. Seriously it was brutal and gut wrentching with no true conclusion, just trying to get the will to play MP so I can get that bloody achievement is something I am working hard on.

I really want to try out the Steve romance, though to be perfectly honest I am not sure I'll be able to romance anyone but Kaidan (with a male Shepard) from now on. I had one playthrough with a Liara romance and a femShep Kaidan romance who cheated on Kaidan with Garrus but they are not my Shepard.

[Zandilar]

 

bas_kon wrote...
But I think they went that route because they already had too many f/f:Liara, squaddie like Kaidan and the largest romance in the series, Sam, non squaddie romance like Cortez, Diana fling without male counterpart, I'm not sure about Kelly but people say it's possible to rekindle the relationship. Making more f/f would mean making even more "useless" m/m to keep it as fair as possible. I think the only player who always win is the straight male one, which is actually the only one who complains about others having more options.

"Too many"? Seriously? That's your answer? "Useless m/m"? You guys got Kaiden and Steve, and neither of them was as half-hearted as Samantha.

Seriously, Kelly and Allers don't count. Kelly is a blink and you'll miss it kind of romance (it is possible for her to be alive, and yet be totally missed, and also she's easy to kill off without much effort at all - I'd have loved to interact more with Kelly, but I failed to tell her to get a new identity, and BOOM dead. I'm still bitter about it.), and Allers isn't worth the pixels she's made up of. (Oh HAI IGN, yes u can haz in game ad, gif uz munny!) (Disclaimer: I don't really have anything against either Diana Allers or Jessica Chobot beyond the clearly commercial nature of her inclusion in the game. I laud Jessica for having the guts to allow her virtual self to be bisexual, whether she herself is or isn't. But the fact is, her "fling" doesn't count as a romance for either straight or lesbian Shepards.)

Liara is a special case. You could argue that she's the secondary protagonist of the series, since there's nothing you can do to get her killed or completely leave her behind, she drives the story at points (Shepard would have died with the first Normandy, if not for her intervention), and those aspects of her are ubiquitous to every Shepard, not just to romancing Shepards. She is a good romance, don't get me wrong, and in some ways maybe she's got the most polished romance in the game - but that's something lesbian Shepard shares with straight male Shepard.

Kaiden shares some of these traits, however his role is also shared with Ashley. You can kill Kaiden, and Ashley will fill the same story role he does. Ashley in particular is lacking when it comes to fulfilling her role for female Shepard. I am not sure what Kaiden's friendship path is like, so I won't comment in depth on that here, but my gut tells me that his friendship is deeper because he can be romanced by both sexes.

However, I'm not done with Liara yet. There are a couple of problems with Liara that are romance/game breaking for some people who like f/f stuff. She's a mono-gendered alien, so some people have problems labeling the romance same-sex. My view is that it's only Shepard's perception that counts, and that heterosexual female Shepards wouldn't engage in a romance with Liara, therefore it is a lesbian romance. But there are other people who don't have that view, they think that Liara isn't really female, that she's just too alien, and that therefore it's more a xenosexual relationship than a homosexual one. I personally think it's a narrow view, but their opinion is just as valid as mine. These issues are NOT shared with Kaiden. Kaiden is clearly male, and clearly human, and therefore his romance with male Shepard cannot be taken to be anything other than homosexual.

(Aside here - Asari are mono-sexual. Sex and gender are two different things, with the former being the biological aspects (sex organs etc) and the latter being a social construct based on sex. The Asari don't have gender roles as we would think of them, therefore they're probably more likely to be either a-gendered (without gender) or poly-gendered (with multiple gender roles based on factors that don't involve biological sex).)

Finally, we have Samantha. The first you know about her romance is when she's hopping into your shower. Whether you join her or not, Shepard still perves on her. This is not a good start at all. Some people label it as soft core porn (I think it's too cheezy and funny to be porn, but I think I'm really in a minority here). You don't really get much more content with her than people in the friend-zone, from my understanding (having not finished my Samancer playthrough due to the fact that my shiney new computer has had to go back to where it came from to get its memory replaced). Plus she never seems to leave the ship, unlike Steve, you don't get a "date" with her. It's all very wham bam thank you ma'am.

(I have no idea why I seem compelled to write essays about this... I suppose it's probably because this is something I feel passionately about.)

Also, I don't see how m/m Kaidan is more of a retcon than Ash if a retcon at all, I am a bisexual man happily married to a woman, but if I got divorced and found a man who made me happy and started a relationship with him, it wouldn't be a retcon, it would be just life, the life of bisexual people is just like that. Kaidan is bisexual with m!Shep and not gay afaik, so no retcon there with Rahna thing.

They (the people who think that it's a retcon) probably think that because Kaiden showed no interest in male Shepard in the first game, that means he was originally straight. If that was true, then yes, his bisexuality is a retcon. They just don't seem to understand that people don't have their sexuality stamped on their foreheads, and sometimes a person's apparent sexuality will "change" (in other words, turn out to be other than what they had assumed).

To finish I'd like to say that imo, they should make the lead male and female romance always bisexual by default and well integrated to the main plot. Then if they don't want to go the all bi route and add straight/gay exclusive options for the sake of it, they should do it with non so important characters. Thus, everyone gets the co-protagonist they want whether male/female or same sex/opposite sex and if they add "sexual variety/restrictions" it won't harm the experience of others. (Like DAO should have had Alistair and Morrigan as bisexual and Zevran and leliana as straight/gay).

I am not quite sure what you mean. Are you saying that Leliana and Zevran should have been either straight or purely gay? Because on the balance, if Bioware had gone that path, following their previous pattern, Leliana and Zevran would most likely have been straight. And then I'd be forced to kill the person who made that suggestion. (I liked Leliana as a romance, and I didn't really feel all that upset that I didn't get Morrigan. I liked Morrigan as a sisterly character, but I doubt any of my kind/good hearted Wardens would have wanted to be romantically involved with an individual so selfish.)

Making everyone Bi seems to be the fairest way to handle things.  But I'm sure a lot of people would disagree with me.

[Akrim_Drak]

Frozen83 wrote...

Akrim_Drak wrote...
*snip*

Thank you! I don't have iPhone, so I appreciate this input. Keep posting!

I'll be curing the genophage, romancing Steve, and gaining both the Quarians and Geth fyi, so you guys know what story events some of these pertain to.

Good man! That is my "canon" playthrough also! And, please, don't forget to save MIri ! M.

Yep, I really enjoyed the friendship path that male shep and miranda got in ME3, she'll be saved! everyone that can be will be, so just thane, mordin, and legion

[Frozen83]

Great. Will be watching for your messages ... posts... M.

[Nejeli]

Zandilar wrote...

[rant - please don't read if you don't want to hear me whining about Ashley again]
Anyone would think that making Ashley bisexual would have somehow negated Kaiden's bisexuality or Cortez's gayness. Yes, we know the situation as it stood prior to ME3 wasn't fair to you guys. But you got what you were asking for, and your new guy has a reasonably chunky storyline. We got Liara (who I personally like, who my canon Shep was faithful to, but who doesn't satisfy other lesbian gamers or other f/f fans due to her alieness), and Sam, who had a very flimsy story/romance compared to Steve (so much potential wasted.  Oh Sam... ). We also got next to no friendship at all with Ashley, which was the sting in the slap that not getting a bisexual Ashley was. (Kelly and Allers, please don't bring them up. Kelly is hardly a romance at all, easy to get her killed, and Allers is a throwaway one night stand type character, who I don't think you even have to bring on the ship.)
[/rant]
Gosh, I didn't think I was still so angry about that... 

I loved Cortez's romance (even if I wish the pacing had been better; I'll have to try stretching it out next time I romance him) and from what I've seen of Kaidan's it's really well-done, too, so I have no complaints on that side of things.

But I have a lesbian Shep who's runthrough I'm not particularly excited about. She had a crush on Ashley in ME1  and would like more, but was okay just being her friend... except Ashley still isn't an option and doesn't seem to even have much friend dialogue in ME3. She started falling for Samara in ME2... except that apparently goes no-where. She would totally be into Sam and would find her adorable... except she's not the type to randomly join someone in the shower, so I'd have to break role-play just to start the romance. Kelly and Allers aren't her type, and Liara's out of the question for various in-character reasons, but also because of how pushy Bioware is with her. This will probably the only time I choose Synthesis as the canon ending, because she's my only Shepard who won't have a LI to leave behind broken-hearted.

[Abispa]

Mass Effect was pretty much the experiment for Bioware to find out if it is better to have "realistic" romances (segregated by sexual persuasions) rather than DA2's "fan service" pan-sexual LIs. Cortez had short-comings, but his romantic arc stands up pretty well compared to the major LIs. Samantha was... odd and Allers was just... Kelly without the substance.

Seeing both strategies for sexual diversity, I'm siding with DA2's method. Not realistic, true, but it allowed variety AND did not suffer the pitfalls of trying to fit too many LIs into limited game space. Four characters gave you eight romances, and the minor tweaking to each one for the gender recognition allowed personalization at a fraction of the overall cost.

With the ME LI fans complaining that their favorite didn't get enough game time or character development, I'm pretty sure Bioware now has a good sample that shows while players role-playing gay males seem to LOVE Cortez A LOT, the probably could have made s/s fans happy by simply making the LIs "bi" or hero-sexual, while using the space devoted to "gay and straight only" LIs to give them more game time.

Yes, I am sure that there will be a bunch of whining and moaning about "retcon" Tali, Ashley, Kaidan, Garrus, etc., but I have seen far more complaining on the BSN about Cortez taking up space and "shoving gay down players' throats" than I have about the "retcon" s/s Kaidan (or Samantha -- for some reason).

So much for "character integrity" being the motivation of s/s critics. "Don't retcon ME LIs!" Bioware creates "gay" LIs for the first time, but do they cheer and celebrate, encouraging Bioware to keep "straight" only LIs by giving s/s fans their own LIs? Nope. Now I see hate threads whining about "gay" only LI wasting precious resources.

As much as I think Cortez is cool, and as much as Chun Hei and IsaacShep love him to death, I think I would have preferred more "straight" Ashley while Quething got her "gay" Ashley, s/s fans getting their "gay" Kaidan and o/s fans getting more "straight" Kaidan.

And I'd have LOVED to see s/s Talimancers and Garrus lovers get their dream of a "gay" aliens. But I admit that part of that would be to spite the hypocritical o/s Talimancers. Oh, but this thread would have been GLORIOUS!

[katerinafm]

Akrim_Drak wrote...

So holy crap you get tons of email in this app @_@...

So far (I just finished Palavan) I have.

Liara: If it's all right, I've set up equipment in the old XO quarters. Hopefully it'll help.

Liara: Hope you like what I've done with the room. I'll let you know when I have more data on the Crucible. (No idea what room she's talking about)

Joker: Hey, don't scratch the paint on the new EDI-bot, okay?

Garrus: Good to be back where I belong. Less politics and more shooting.

Garrus: Alliance tech have this cannon out of alignment. Good thing you've got me to help.

Traynor: I'm making preparations for the Normandy, to serve as our summit conference center. Good luck, Commander.

Udina: Without the Asari, your summit fails. Anderson didn't lay enough groundwork. I'll fix what I can. (What a douche)

Kaidan: Heard you came by while I was out. Thanks, Commander. I'm up, most of the time, at least.

Joker: I think next time we hit the Citadel, I'm gonna show EDI the sights. No way that could go wrong, right?

I'll be curing the genophage, romancing Steve, and gaining both the Quarians and Geth fyi, so you guys know what story events some of these pertain to.

Thanks for posting! I wish you were romancing Kaidan so we could see his messages, but Steve is a close second on my list so I can't wait to hear more

[Akrim_Drak]

Holy crap @_@ there's so many of these damn messages... (saving them all in a text file too so I can just upload that when I'm done with the game.)

Did the reaper tech Cerberus mission and a few Citadel missions:

Aria: Good to see you haven't lost your edge now that you've gone legit again. Let's do some business.

Garrus: Appreciate the check-in. It hurts to see soldiers in that damn camp. At least it reminds me what we're fighting for.

Jondum Bau: Calling in favors from a few friends. We'll be around when you need us.

Kasumi: Crucible project... so much shiny tech... this is gonna be fun, Shep.

Miranda: I managed to catch up with a few old contacts. They didn't want to talk; but they did. More later.

Liara: It was nice to sit and have a drink on the Presidium, even if I was working.

James: You impressed the hell outta the boys. Now they're getting me free drinks! (swear this guy is so bicurious!)

Thane: Thank you for taking time to speak with me, Shepard. I wish I could be of more help.

Joker: Oh man, EDI's asking some guy for his opinion on the war. I think he thinks he's being recorded.

Aria: Nice work with Narl. The Blood Pack needs to fight, and I need cannon fodder.

That'll be all for today, gonna play some MP tonight since they have the XP bonus. I'll play some more tomorrow.

[Nejeli]

Abispa wrote...

Yes, I am sure that there will be a bunch of whining and moaning about "retcon" Tali, Ashley, Kaidan, Garrus, etc., but I have seen far more complaining on the BSN about Cortez taking up space and "shoving gay down players' throats" than I have about the "retcon" s/s Kaidan (or Samantha -- for some reason).

So much for "character integrity" being the motivation of s/s critics. "Don't retcon ME LIs!" Bioware creates "gay" LIs for the first time, but do they cheer and celebrate, encouraging Bioware to keep "straight" only LIs by giving s/s fans their own LIs? Nope. Now I see hate threads whining about "gay" only LI wasting precious resources.

As much as I think Cortez is cool, and as much as Chun Hei and IsaacShep love him to death, I think I would have preferred more "straight" Ashley while Quething got her "gay" Ashley, s/s fans getting their "gay" Kaidan and o/s fans getting more "straight" Kaidan.

And I'd have LOVED to see s/s Talimancers and Garrus lovers get their dream of a "gay" aliens. But I admit that part of that would be to spite the hypocritical o/s Talimancers. Oh, but this thread would have been GLORIOUS!

I think part of the reason that there hasn't been much complaining about the Kaidan "retcon" IS because of Steve. People are too busy complaining about Steve "constantly throwing his gay in your face every time you talk to him" to complain much about Kaidan. Besides, you can kill Kaidan in ME1 before he can hit on m!Shep and you have another chance to kill him in ME3, you can't get rid of Steve until the end of the game.

The s/s critics will always come up with reasons against having s/s romances. Everyone being bisexual is unrealistic, but creating gay and lesbian specific love interests "shafts" other characters and takes away valuable resources. I've even seen people blaming the bad endings on Steve and Sam. 'If Bioware didn't have to pander to the s/s fans, why, we could have had quality endings! Man, why can't they just be happy with a bisexual character of each gender as long as they're not a required party memeber?'

[draken-heart]

Zandilar wrote...

 

Finally, we have Samantha. The first you know about her romance is when she's hopping into your shower. Whether you join her or not, Shepard still perves on her. This is not a good start at all. Some people label it as soft core porn (I think it's too cheezy and funny to be porn, but I think I'm really in a minority here). You don't really get much more content with her than people in the friend-zone, from my understanding (having not finished my Samancer playthrough due to the fact that my shiney new computer has had to go back to where it came from to get its memory replaced). Plus she never seems to leave the ship, unlike Steve, you don't get a "date" with her. It's all very wham bam thank you ma'am.

for Sam here you go

or this one

both make it clear that there is an emotional deal we do not see, plus she has no VI to deal with the data that comes her way, a thing that Liara does *glares at Glyph*. then there is the whole war room data being accurate, which i am sure she likes making sure is accurate, and the thought that occurs to me that she perfers to keep the feelings she has in the bedroom, and not in bringing them in public.

(do not forget that in ME 2 Nef considered Morinth Female despite the fact that she is an Ardat-Yakshi, and was shocked, showing that homosexuality is still somewhat uncommon in the ME universe)

Modifié par draken-heart, 24 mars 2012 - 02:50 .

[ElitePinecone]

Nejeli wrote...

I think part of the reason that there hasn't been much complaining about the Kaidan "retcon" IS because of Steve. People are too busy complaining about Steve "constantly throwing his gay in your face every time you talk to him" to complain much about Kaidan. Besides, you can kill Kaidan in ME1 before he can hit on m!Shep and you have another chance to kill him in ME3, you can't get rid of Steve until the end of the game.

The s/s critics will always come up with reasons against having s/s romances. Everyone being bisexual is unrealistic, but creating gay and lesbian specific love interests "shafts" other characters and takes away valuable resources. I've even seen people blaming the bad endings on Steve and Sam. 'If Bioware didn't have to pander to the s/s fans, why, we could have had quality endings! Man, why can't they just be happy with a bisexual character of each gender as long as they're not a required party memeber?'

While there are certainly a lot of "omg he had a HUSBAND? WTF NOOOO SHOVING DOWN THROATS" posts around, I've seen far more that say (almost in exactly the same way) "Steve was a good guy, I liked Sam" etc. 

The reaction wasn't nearly as visceral as, say, Anders, and I've barely heard Kaidan get a mention. 

You're right that people who are uncomfortable with the content will always find a way to complain, and they'll even invent a reason to be outraged if Bioware does their best to cater to them - but I think the way it was done with multiple levels of obvious dialogue checks (with the first one being "I like ladies HERP DERP") is a good thing.

That being said, the pretty crazy reaction to Steve before release in those YouTube videos wasn't exactly... encouraging. There are still an absolute truckload of people who rabidly attack any s/s content just for being in the game, even if they don't need to pick it. 

[draken-heart]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Nejeli wrote...

I think part of the reason that there hasn't been much complaining about the Kaidan "retcon" IS because of Steve. People are too busy complaining about Steve "constantly throwing his gay in your face every time you talk to him" to complain much about Kaidan. Besides, you can kill Kaidan in ME1 before he can hit on m!Shep and you have another chance to kill him in ME3, you can't get rid of Steve until the end of the game.

The s/s critics will always come up with reasons against having s/s romances. Everyone being bisexual is unrealistic, but creating gay and lesbian specific love interests "shafts" other characters and takes away valuable resources. I've even seen people blaming the bad endings on Steve and Sam. 'If Bioware didn't have to pander to the s/s fans, why, we could have had quality endings! Man, why can't they just be happy with a bisexual character of each gender as long as they're not a required party memeber?'

While there are certainly a lot of "omg he had a HUSBAND? WTF NOOOO SHOVING DOWN THROATS" posts around, I've seen far more that say (almost in exactly the same way) "Steve was a good guy, I liked Sam" etc. 

The reaction wasn't nearly as visceral as, say, Anders, and I've barely heard Kaidan get a mention. 

You're right that people who are uncomfortable with the content will always find a way to complain, and they'll even invent a reason to be outraged if Bioware does their best to cater to them - but I think the way it was done with multiple levels of obvious dialogue checks (with the first one being "I like ladies HERP DERP") is a good thing.

That being said, the pretty crazy reaction to Steve before release in those YouTube videos wasn't exactly... encouraging. There are still an absolute truckload of people who rabidly attack any s/s content just for being in the game, even if they don't need to pick it. 

also people think that Samantha's romance is bad because it does not have a "date scene", do people think that Sam does not do dates and instead prefers sex and conversations to learn about her lovers

[Nejeli]

ElitePinecone wrote...

While there are certainly a lot of "omg he had a HUSBAND? WTF NOOOO SHOVING DOWN THROATS" posts around, I've seen far more that say (almost in exactly the same way) "Steve was a good guy, I liked Sam" etc. 

The reaction wasn't nearly as visceral as, say, Anders, and I've barely heard Kaidan get a mention. 

You're right that people who are uncomfortable with the content will always find a way to complain, and they'll even invent a reason to be outraged if Bioware does their best to cater to them - but I think the way it was done with multiple levels of obvious dialogue checks (with the first one being "I like ladies HERP DERP") is a good thing.

That being said, the pretty crazy reaction to Steve before release in those YouTube videos wasn't exactly... encouraging. There are still an absolute truckload of people who rabidly attack any s/s content just for being in the game, even if they don't need to pick it. 

Well, what I meant was that the people who are complaining about Steve would be complaining about Kaidan if he weren't there. Steve and Sam do get a lot of support, and I'm glad about that.

The dialogue checks were nice, and something I hope Bioware uses more often (or DA2s symbol system, just something to let you know if an option will start a romance or not) but apparently Steve's multiple check's weren't enough because there are still people complaining about getting ninja'd by him. XD

[Game_Fan_85]

There's about as much chance of being "ninja'd" by Steve as there is by an Elcon. Some people...

[Game_Fan_85]

Bellendaine wrote...

Game_Fan_85 wrote...

@Bellendaine:  Maybe the cutscenes switching to femShep have something to do with the cut scenes freezing.  Did you do the hex edit or the regular console command switch or both?

I just did the console command switch.  Is there a better way to do it?  I don't know the hex edit version ...

The hex editing could fix the problem for you, but I don't know for sure.  The hex editing tells the game you are female wehereas the console switch, form my understanding doesn't fully do that.  With the hex editing, custom Sheps are also OK.  The hex editing part is what is done with the 360 version.  Take a look at the following thread for instructions.  It's really simple to do but of course, keep a back up of the original save incase it screws something up. 

http://social.biowar...4/index/2771955

[People4Peace]

Asperius wrote...

Zandilar wrote...

Of course, I'm no expert on these things. I am just going by what I have read over the years, and my own experience. Anecdotally, I've encountered more biseuxal and lesbian gamers than I have gay male gamers, and I identify as lesbian myself.

Oh it is nice to hear your experience with gamers. Maybe it all boils down to games we play or people we befriend in those games.

I am long time City of Heroes player and during my 5 years in that game I came across 1 lesbian player. On the other hand met more gay players, between 10-15 if I have to go with numbers(still lower than female players tho').  Maybe being a gay or a lesbian is a factor here. More common points between people of same sexual orientation and all.

Maybe making a distinction like that is silly. I mostly see gay and lesbian players as LGBT players which makes our numbers higher. Strength in numbers after all. If gaming companies open one path (like gay romance) they should also include other one. That is not a big deal with bisexual peoples I guess. Even without LGBT characters they will have some character to play romance after all.

(Warning.....wall of text coming up! )

Eh, it depends on the person especially since many bisexuals have a sexual preference. Just because I am bisexual it doesn't mean I want to romance a male LI or s/s only female LI if I don't like their character and look. For example, even though I romanced Fenris and Anders, my favorite LIs from DA2 are Isabela and Merrill. I would've been so disappointed if I was forced into the o/s romances which is why more games should do what the DA2 team did. I think it's the best (and probably easiest) way to include s/s and o/s romances. The quality is better and there are more options for everyone.

As for ME, I am extremely disappointed that queer FemSheps only have Liara, Sam, Kelly, and Allers as options (and the last two shouldn't even count!). As much as I love Kelly, there is barely any content with her and she can easily die. The ME team could've spent more time developing her character, creating an option for her to get back on the Normandy, give her a proper romance scene, etc. instead of creating Sam. Allers is...disgusting. I find her unattractive and her VA really bugs me. Her voice sounds so lazy. And most importantly, she has no depth. However even if the player likes her, Allers only counts as a fling.

As for Sam, I haven't romanced her yet. However from what I've seen and heard, I am disappointed. I wish she got the same treatment as Steve! I like her look and personality but the romance falls flat in my opinion....and I don't have the same connection to her that I have with other ME characters like Jack, Miri, Ash, and Kelly. I actually care about those characters. Hell, I was more concerned about Steve when his shuttle crashed than I was about Sam when the Normandy crashed. If Sam died, I...don't see myself caring that much. I feel like I barely know her and I doubt that's going to change much when I romance her.

Liara definitely counts as an s/s romance even though some disagree (). I enjoy the s/s romance with her but I understand why some queer female gamers wanted more human s/s LIs. I honestly thought Jack, Miranda or Ash were finally going to be available to FemShep. In my opinion, Bioware shouldn't have created Sam or should've spent more time fleshing out her character and romance. The players know Jack/Miri/Ash better than Sam and I think their characters are more interesting/developed.

However I think straight female gamers get screwed over just as much (maybe even worse than queer female gamers). Thane dies (plus the various problems leading up to his death and the aftermath). Jacob leaves Shep for another woman (which totally doesn't fit his character in my opinion). Some left Kaidan to die or have no interest in him. Many aren't interested in Garrus or aliens in general. So straight FemShep in ME3 is only left with Kaidan and Garrus. BUT if straight FemSheps left Kaidan to die and didn't romance Garrus in ME2, they have no one. To me, this is a huge problem and another reason why Vega should've been an LI, for Femshep and Sheploo.

I am not personally complaining because my favorite LIs (Garrus and Liara) have some of the best romances and character development/interactions in the series. Though I am still disappointed that none of my FemSheps can romance Ash/Miri/Jack and Vega.

Asperius wrote...

Quething wrote...

Eh. Bi
folk like representation too. If you're only allowed to express half
your identity through Shep, you may be doing better than those who
couldn't do so at all, but you're still getting less of the game than
players whose every potential interest is accommodated.

Yes, agree on that. Adding only gay male LI or only gay female LI hinders their enjoyment from the game as well.

So, equality in games for everyone.../../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png

I completely agree. It doesn't matter if people hate or love DA2.....because other games with LIs really need to learn from the DA2 team when it comes to equality (and quality!) in LGBTQ inclusive romances.

Modifié par People4Peace, 24 mars 2012 - 06:12 .

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draken-heart wrote...

for Sam here you go

or this one

both make it clear that there is an emotional deal we do not see, plus she has no VI to deal with the data that comes her way, a thing that Liara does *glares at Glyph*. then there is the whole war room data being accurate, which i am sure she likes making sure is accurate, and the thought that occurs to me that she perfers to keep the feelings she has in the bedroom, and not in bringing them in public.

(do not forget that in ME 2 Nef considered Morinth Female despite the fact that she is an Ardat-Yakshi, and was shocked, showing that homosexuality is still somewhat uncommon in the ME universe)

Luckily for all of us, I'm kind of in the middle of playing DnD with friends (actually waiting on dinner), so I can't go into this too much (lest I be rude)... Having made my verbose disclaimer about why I don't have much to say...

It's no fun it if all happens off screen.

[luukee]

I was just watching the videos of Samantha and FemShep and noticed that Sam said to Shep, "I love you" and I was wondering does either Kaidan or Steve say this to ManShep? I can't remember Kaidan saying it (which annoyed me a bit, as Kaidan said it to FemShep) and I've yet to complete a Steve romance.

[Cuddlezarro]

Kaidan only says I love you to femshep before the sex scene and steve doesnt either