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[Dr. Doctor]

While Jack is a really strong character, the whole teacher thing might work well in the future but we're seeing Jack leading the biotic equivalent of the X-Men. I sort of get the feeling like she'd be a pretty intimidating teacher, but god help you if you threaten her kids:

Jack: What the hell are you doing?

Student: Trying to push that mech over.

Jack: Kid, you look like you're going to **** yourself if you keep it up.

Student: But to use my biotics I need to use the right memetic position to fire my neurons so that-

Jack: I get it, but have you ever tried just chucking that tin can?

Student: M'am?

Jack: 'stead of trying to think it through just picture that hunk of junk being hit by a really big fist. Could help if you picture it as being someone you really hate.

Student: (punches the air and causes the mech to fly across the room)

Jack: There you go. How'd that feel?

Student: (rubbing head) Like I just did a push up with my brain.

Jack: It'll wear off in a bit.

[spirosz]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

While Jack is a really strong character, the whole teacher thing might work well in the future but we're seeing Jack leading the biotic equivalent of the X-Men.

That gets me excited!

[ZaroktheImmortal]

spiros9110 wrote...

Dr. Doctor wrote...

While Jack is a really strong character, the whole teacher thing might work well in the future but we're seeing Jack leading the biotic equivalent of the X-Men.

That gets me excited!

I'm not really sure about the whole teaching thing. From what I've read the story is okay but as people have said I'm not sure it'd really fit her character.

[SlottsMachine]

I still remain hopeful. But lately I've been thinking about that debate we had a while back, whether Patrick Weekes was going to ruin the character.

[JosephDucreux]

Uh-oh. Guys...Patty Weekes is writing?

[spirosz]

There's a few writers on her, also he wrote Mordin which is a plus.

[android654]

The whole concep of her leading the "eezo-men," doesn't sound cool in the slightest. It sounds cheesy and ill fitting. It's just plain bad man. I'm sticking to my preorder for now, but if they release more info in the next month and a half that makes her look even worse, I might not want to play it as much.

It's like they forgot about the fact that the character has an actual personality, meaning that there are some things they would and wouldn't do.

[Labrev]

@jerkface. I feel like Jack, as much as she likes to feel "victimized" at times, is also quite resilient at others too. It takes a lot of guts to go back and face your childhood trauma again, most choose not to and further screw up themselves by bottling it all up. But she went right back there and faced it all. After sparing Aresh, she says it's because she's "better" than him to walk around with that crater all her life. Even Shepard pursuing her romance brings back pain of loss/misery but she opens to him up to him afterall. She's gotten hit a lot in life, but has gotten up many times too.

Again, I don't know about "too soon" as much as you probably do, but I think that after the suicide-mission is over and she lives through it, she'd welcome a sense of purpose in her life for the first time.

[Soviet Rei]

ZaroktheImmortal wrote...

I'm not really sure about the whole teaching thing. From what I've read the story is okay but as people have said I'm not sure it'd really fit her character.

This, pretty much.

[Confused-Shepard]

I wonder if not doing Jack's loyalty mission but keeping her alive has a different result than what was in the leak
She should still be unstable especially if you had renegade sex with her and were generally mean to her 

Modifié par Confused-Shepard, 15 janvier 2012 - 07:53 .

[Nohvarr]

Jack's not a wanderer, in the sense that she needs to travel,she's just scared. She's tried to join groups before but it's never worked out in the end. Yet with Shepard's crew it finally did, enough so that she may be willing to give the whole thing another try. Jack dosen't want to be hurt again, yet on some level she does desire human contact. That's why Shepard was able to get through to her at all in ME 2.

That said, we do know how defensive Jack can be about people she cares about, considering what she did in retaliation for that Colony. Honestly it's a harsh universe and those kids could use some instruction from someone who got chewed up by it, and is still standing.

[schemata]

android654 wrote...

Its so bad, like cartoonish bad, they made her into a school teacher. This character would not be doing this. It looks like they struggled with finding something for her to do, and took the first suggestion someone made. There are at least half a dozen things I could better imagine her doing than this.

really disagree here!   solely speaking from a paragon me2 playthroughs with no jack romance, but even without- the point of jacks character is that in Me3 she can be ANYTHING. Well anything outside of a pirate/slaver/random merc.  Because you show her a different side to people, how things can be different. Her whole story arc is helping her get through her baggage. And now that its done, she can be anything. and I think  a professor x role is really awesome avenue to take her. One of the best arcs I managed to NOT avoid while on these forums.

[schemata]

a redeemed wild child. I could see how she could take a group of misfit biotics and give them direction. Really fits, with a jack that has a clean slate and new perspective on people in general. It def flows for her character, and its good to see shes grown. Id be really happy if I were a romance jack fan.

[android654]

It reads like a bad fanfic. Even if she managed to "fix" herself it doesn't erase the simple fact that it isn't the avenue she would take to help. These aren't damaged kids, they aren't misfits, it's merely a school for kids who happen to be biotics. She wouldn't relate to this group of kids and feel compelled to go to them to help them.

She would have been more consistent if she were actually helping someone who was in danger the way she was as a child, not simply being somewhere when Cerberus shows up.

[Nohvarr]

android654 wrote...

It reads like a bad fanfic. Even if she managed to "fix" herself it doesn't erase the simple fact that it isn't the avenue she would take to help. These aren't damaged kids, they aren't misfits, it's merely a school for kids who happen to be biotics. She wouldn't relate to this group of kids and feel compelled to go to them to help them.

I disagree, the instant she hears that Cerberus has infilitrated an Alliance program she shows genuine concern. Not murderous rage or a need for revenge, but a desire to prevent what happened to her from happening to those other kids. She doesn't know them from adam, has no other reason to care beyond a fear that they *could* face a situation similar to her own. So I can see her joining such  school to teach and protect.

The thing I find most interesting about all these arguments against Jack being a teacher is how limiting they are to her character. I've seen multiple claims that this is outside her character. Yet people change and grow, Jack didn't start out as 'Jack' she started out as a scared little girl and became 'Jack'. Now, you could say that when we meet her in ME 2 she's primed for another change. While listening to her talk to Shep, Jack sounded very tired, as if she needed to do something different even if she wasn't willing to admit it to herself.

Now, she's helped stop the Collectors, worked with a unique cadre of individuals and buried her past.

I don't see why becoming a school teacher is so out of the question.

[outmane]

Jack as a 'teacher' can make sense to me depending on her relation with the whole school organization more then with the kids. To me its clear she would like to help a kid in a situation similar to hers (if Shep helped her figure her past out in her LM) so thats not the heart of the question.

What has to be well implemented is how she becomes part of that school and what her role is.

Jack p would not be the type of person to go to the school and ask for a job. Tho she needs human contact, she is afraid of organizations and doesnt know how to be part of a group (so soon after ME2 anyway). But if she happen to rescue a kid with biotic powers from lets say slavers, maybe she felt that bringing the kid to a school for biotics was the best thing to do.

And she could have decided to stay there initially becasue she didnt trust them right away and wanted to see its a good envirment for the kid. Or an other straff member recognized potential in her and convinced her to stay

And in the months after she started helping out and teaching children how to cope with their 'gift' and not fall for users (casue there always will be those types going after biotics).

Nothing says she has to be become the 'good girl' type, bore children with theoricals, or stay in this school forever like a nun

Thats my take on it anyway (sorry for the not so proper english)

[spirosz]

android654 wrote...

It reads like a bad fanfic. Even if she managed to "fix" herself it doesn't erase the simple fact that it isn't the avenue she would take to help. These aren't damaged kids, they aren't misfits, it's merely a school for kids who happen to be biotics. She wouldn't relate to this group of kids and feel compelled to go to them to help them.

She would have been more consistent if she were actually helping someone who was in danger the way she was as a child, not simply being somewhere when Cerberus shows up.

I think you're putting too much emphasis on the word "fixed", there has not been a statement that this will fix Jack, nor do I think it will.  I believe it's a step in the right direction towards some form of happiness.  Also, it's not about the kids being broken, etc, its the fact that they're biotics and they'll always be vunerable because of that one aspect.  Just because they're "normal" doesn't mean they can't learn anything from each other, it's like two sides of one coin; going a more safe route or becoming something like Jack.  To me, that's how they can relate in a way and I believe it will show her a different side of life as well. 

[android654]

Nohvarr wrote...

android654 wrote...

It reads like a bad fanfic. Even if she managed to "fix" herself it doesn't erase the simple fact that it isn't the avenue she would take to help. These aren't damaged kids, they aren't misfits, it's merely a school for kids who happen to be biotics. She wouldn't relate to this group of kids and feel compelled to go to them to help them.

I disagree, the instant she hears that Cerberus has infilitrated an Alliance program she shows genuine concern. Not murderous rage or a need for revenge, but a desire to prevent what happened to her from happening to those other kids. She doesn't know them from adam, has no other reason to care beyond a fear that they *could* face a situation similar to her own. So I can see her joining such  school to teach and protect.

The thing I find most interesting about all these arguments against Jack being a teacher is how limiting they are to her character. I've seen multiple claims that this is outside her character. Yet people change and grow, Jack didn't start out as 'Jack' she started out as a scared little girl and became 'Jack'. Now, you could say that when we meet her in ME 2 she's primed for another change. While listening to her talk to Shep, Jack sounded very tired, as if she needed to do something different even if she wasn't willing to admit it to herself.

Now, she's helped stop the Collectors, worked with a unique cadre of individuals and buried her past.

I don't see why becoming a school teacher is so out of the question.

From her involvement with Shepard, even a romanced one, she only warms to one person. She still has the same hostility toward the people on the ship up until the SM, there's nothing to suggest that she's warming to people. So for her to jump from being a recluse to being a person surrounded by kids all day is a huge change that has nothing to account for it.

Ascension is a normal school. Granted that Jack got concerned when she thought Ascension was a cerberus project. This however isn't the case, so why would Jack stick around once it becamse clear that nothing wrong was going on there? Wouldn't she rather go on with her life, or look for people that were actually in trouble?

See, you're ignoring my actual argument. I'm not against Jack helping kids, I'm against her staying at a normal school helping kids that are safe when she could be of better use helping kids that are in danger before ME3.

Why isn't she stopping slavers kidnapping children? Why not help stop Cerberus from their destructive efforts that could be endangering someone that resembeled Jack?

Its outside of the question because its outside of the character. If she's as selfless of a protector as you claim, why is it less beleiveable for her to be protecting someone who's in actual danger? That's my problem, they're underutilizing her character.

[Dr. Doctor]

Irregardless of the romance her LM is more about dealing with her past and moving on. If Shepard was a jerk to her or did the Renegade sex then she's not exactly thrilled about seeing him again.

Her story's not so much focused on Jack being a teacher as it is about her finding a place of her own in the galaxy. Remember the line from Liara about giving Jack "faith in something other than anger"? That's what happens in ME3.

[Nohvarr]

I would also argue that Jack just finished working for a group in ME 2. Via dialogue with certain characters in ME 2 it's obvious that more happened than we saw, like Shep trying to convince Thane to eat with the crew. We never saw the crew dine together, perhaps Jack ambled up there once or twice, just to grab something fresh, we don't know. We know that Mordin and Garrus had some interaction (depending on certain things) so it's possible she dealt with other crew memeners. That expierence could help her in this chosen task.

[spirosz]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

Irregardless of the romance her LM is more about dealing with her past and moving on. If Shepard was a jerk to her or did the Renegade sex then she's not exactly thrilled about seeing him again.

Her story's not so much focused on Jack being a teacher as it is about her finding a place of her own in the galaxy. Remember the line from Liara about giving Jack "faith in something other than anger"? That's what happens in ME3.

Yeah exactly.

[JoeLaTurkey]

Don't think I've posted this one here before

[spirosz]

That made my night, thank you Joe

[Phuz]

spiros9110 wrote...

That made my night, thank you Joe

This.

Also, from what I've seen of the leak and her concept art, I'm even more excited for ME3.  It's good to see Jack mature and hopefully we can help her root out any Cerberus piggybackers within the Ascension program.

[wright1978]

Confused-Shepard wrote...

I wonder if not doing Jack's loyalty mission but keeping her alive has a different result than what was in the leak
She should still be unstable especially if you had renegade sex with her and were generally mean to her 

Also wondering how game reacts to doing her loyalty mission and having her execute Aresh in cold blood.

Modifié par wright1978, 16 janvier 2012 - 12:58 .