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Premier Bromanov wrote...

In my opinion, Bioware games are the characters first, storytelling second, and gameplay third. Considering how many people dislike the way the first and second elements were treated, maybe I'm at least 2/3 right.


About what?

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Man, after reading at least 20 pages, I really haven't missed much in these forums...

Back to disappearing and appreciating Jack for me...

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Militarized wrote...

Premier Bromanov wrote...

In my opinion, Bioware games are the characters first, storytelling second, and gameplay third. Considering how many people dislike the way the first and second elements were treated, maybe I'm at least 2/3 right.


About what?


That Bioware games are the characters first, storytelling second, and gameplay third.  Also, that many people are dissatisfied with the endings.

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Oh I see, yeah I'd agree. They really botched it. :(

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I'm so happy that I got to see Jack in ME3. Put a smile on my face.

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Militarized wrote...

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I think I would have been better off buying SIMS 3 Showtime instead of Mass Effect 3 >:/ ... I'm very unmotivated to finish the game now, knowing just how futile it all is. What happens to Jack in the end by the way? Where is she? Where is Shepard if he somehow survives? I will write my own 'happy' ending as a fanfic if I have to.


Not one word is given of Jack before the final battle... like she wouldn't come to your ship to see you, the man who brought her up from the abyss of abuse, before going into the possible last battle of your existence? You have an 8 second convo with her and she mentions shes in the back protecting troops... says not to get killed cause she wants to get laid, then Shep says "I love you to" because obviously that's what she means but... ugh.

You get a much more romantic, better ending with Liara and that's just from a friendship. 

And when you see the actual ending you get even more mad. 


I'm SO feaking pissed right now. I had faith in Bioware and they completly ****ED us who romanced Jack. REALLY. I mean they made her basicly not even want to be with you. WTF?? A 2 second DANCE is the romance scene!!!???!!!??? GODDAMMIT

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Rip The Reaper wrote...

Militarized wrote...

Nightfable wrote...

I think I would have been better off buying SIMS 3 Showtime instead of Mass Effect 3 >:/ ... I'm very unmotivated to finish the game now, knowing just how futile it all is. What happens to Jack in the end by the way? Where is she? Where is Shepard if he somehow survives? I will write my own 'happy' ending as a fanfic if I have to.


Not one word is given of Jack before the final battle... like she wouldn't come to your ship to see you, the man who brought her up from the abyss of abuse, before going into the possible last battle of your existence? You have an 8 second convo with her and she mentions shes in the back protecting troops... says not to get killed cause she wants to get laid, then Shep says "I love you to" because obviously that's what she means but... ugh.

You get a much more romantic, better ending with Liara and that's just from a friendship. 

And when you see the actual ending you get even more mad. 


I'm SO feaking pissed right now. I had faith in Bioware and they completly ****ED us who romanced Jack. REALLY. I mean they made her basicly not even want to be with you. WTF?? A 2 second DANCE is the romance scene!!!???!!!??? GODDAMMIT


That was my reaction... with a few more curse words, maybe a little more rage. 

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Militarized wrote...

Rip The Reaper wrote...

Militarized wrote...

Nightfable wrote...

I think I would have been better off buying SIMS 3 Showtime instead of Mass Effect 3 >:/ ... I'm very unmotivated to finish the game now, knowing just how futile it all is. What happens to Jack in the end by the way? Where is she? Where is Shepard if he somehow survives? I will write my own 'happy' ending as a fanfic if I have to.


Not one word is given of Jack before the final battle... like she wouldn't come to your ship to see you, the man who brought her up from the abyss of abuse, before going into the possible last battle of your existence? You have an 8 second convo with her and she mentions shes in the back protecting troops... says not to get killed cause she wants to get laid, then Shep says "I love you to" because obviously that's what she means but... ugh.

You get a much more romantic, better ending with Liara and that's just from a friendship. 

And when you see the actual ending you get even more mad. 


I'm SO feaking pissed right now. I had faith in Bioware and they completly ****ED us who romanced Jack. REALLY. I mean they made her basicly not even want to be with you. WTF?? A 2 second DANCE is the romance scene!!!???!!!??? GODDAMMIT


That was my reaction... with a few more curse words, maybe a little more rage. 


Look at all the Romance options. (I'm sure the Jacob lovers are pissed too, all 2 of them) But out of all of them they just...****ed me over man. I mean come on!! no scene at all, not even a little one! It wouldn't have been hard to put in in there

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Rip The Reaper wrote...

Militarized wrote...

Rip The Reaper wrote...

Militarized wrote...

Nightfable wrote...

I think I would have been better off buying SIMS 3 Showtime instead of Mass Effect 3 >:/ ... I'm very unmotivated to finish the game now, knowing just how futile it all is. What happens to Jack in the end by the way? Where is she? Where is Shepard if he somehow survives? I will write my own 'happy' ending as a fanfic if I have to.


Not one word is given of Jack before the final battle... like she wouldn't come to your ship to see you, the man who brought her up from the abyss of abuse, before going into the possible last battle of your existence? You have an 8 second convo with her and she mentions shes in the back protecting troops... says not to get killed cause she wants to get laid, then Shep says "I love you to" because obviously that's what she means but... ugh.

You get a much more romantic, better ending with Liara and that's just from a friendship. 

And when you see the actual ending you get even more mad. 


I'm SO feaking pissed right now. I had faith in Bioware and they completly ****ED us who romanced Jack. REALLY. I mean they made her basicly not even want to be with you. WTF?? A 2 second DANCE is the romance scene!!!???!!!??? GODDAMMIT


That was my reaction... with a few more curse words, maybe a little more rage. 


Look at all the Romance options. (I'm sure the Jacob lovers are pissed too, all 2 of them) But out of all of them they just...****ed me over man. I mean come on!! no scene at all, not even a little one! It wouldn't have been hard to put in in there


I feel your pain bro/sis :( I really do. I really don't understand why they thought it would be cool to have Shep... whose with the entire fleet... sleep alone if you romanced Jack before going into certain doom. Like it's just another day and she's busy teaching or something? GTFO. 

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Militarized wrote...

Rip The Reaper wrote...

Militarized wrote...

Rip The Reaper wrote...

Militarized wrote...

Nightfable wrote...

I think I would have been better off buying SIMS 3 Showtime instead of Mass Effect 3 >:/ ... I'm very unmotivated to finish the game now, knowing just how futile it all is. What happens to Jack in the end by the way? Where is she? Where is Shepard if he somehow survives? I will write my own 'happy' ending as a fanfic if I have to.


Not one word is given of Jack before the final battle... like she wouldn't come to your ship to see you, the man who brought her up from the abyss of abuse, before going into the possible last battle of your existence? You have an 8 second convo with her and she mentions shes in the back protecting troops... says not to get killed cause she wants to get laid, then Shep says "I love you to" because obviously that's what she means but... ugh.

You get a much more romantic, better ending with Liara and that's just from a friendship. 

And when you see the actual ending you get even more mad. 


I'm SO feaking pissed right now. I had faith in Bioware and they completly ****ED us who romanced Jack. REALLY. I mean they made her basicly not even want to be with you. WTF?? A 2 second DANCE is the romance scene!!!???!!!??? GODDAMMIT


That was my reaction... with a few more curse words, maybe a little more rage. 


Look at all the Romance options. (I'm sure the Jacob lovers are pissed too, all 2 of them) But out of all of them they just...****ed me over man. I mean come on!! no scene at all, not even a little one! It wouldn't have been hard to put in in there


I feel your pain bro/sis :( I really do. I really don't understand why they thought it would be cool to have Shep... whose with the entire fleet... sleep alone if you romanced Jack before going into certain doom. Like it's just another day and she's busy teaching or something? GTFO. 


YEah, and on top of THAT, all the little things too. Like the 8 seconds you talk to her o nthe com at the end, WTF? nothing. And at the bar? again nothing, really it like Jack DIDNT want to be together they made it that way!

I could deal with the ****-no-closure-endings. I really could. But not them ****ing up the jack LI. this blows

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I'm almost insane enough after the rage/depression of this to start a kickstarter program to hire Mark Meer and Courtenay Taylor to do an audio scene just to have a "hidden" audio tape of the two of them having a more in depth goodbye.

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Coun't they patch in a romance scene? could we like petition for it or something? Hey they fixing that deception novel. How can anyone who romanced Jack NOT be upset?? Or am I just on here too early?

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I believe at least 95% of us are, a lot of people havent beat the game yet but the forum is already in torches and pitch forks. A majority of the complaints are going, deservedly, to how bad the ending is.... and honestly Jack not really being in the ending is part of that so it all ties in.

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I'm not mad in the aspect that of all the ME2 based romances Jack really came out the best in terms of what happened to her and character development I think. Its certainly better than poor Jacob/Thane fans. However the rage boils back when I see compared to the ME1 characters being Liara, Ashley/Kaidan, Garrus or Tali, that all the ME2 romances pretty much got thrown to the side as just an afterthought. The ME1 romances really seems shoved down our throats. My first play through was with Jack and even then I could feel the obvious overtones that every scene with Ashley or Liara was hanging expected some sort of romance point to spring up.

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New to this thread, but my thoughts on this romance so far:

I like the general direction they took, with both sides doing their part in the war and Jack protecting her students, yet still "work at" keeping their relationship together. If they made Jack a squadmate, she would be abandoning her students who need her. It would feel wrong. To be honest, I like how much love she shows for them - it's cute and the type of softness I was hoping she'd develop after ME2. Still the same old Jack, but more mature and isn't afraid to show a little bit of her soft side.

I put "work at" in quotes because I think there needs to be a little more dialogue between Shepard and Jack in order for them to get it right, maybe add 1-2 more meetings and a better romance scene in the form of DLC. Hell, even some more emails would be nice if they cant/don't want to add more dialogue.

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Exactly. The "get laid" comment fitted her so well, and her with the kids makes sense. I get that. I just wanted something more. A longer conversation over the holo even if they were both doing their own efforts in the fight away from each other. I wanted to ask her when it was all over if she'd go get another tattoo with me. A band on her finger. Something dammit! gggrrrr

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GothamLord wrote...

Exactly. The "get laid" comment fitted her so well, and her with the kids makes sense. I get that. I just wanted something more. A longer conversation over the holo even if they were both doing their own efforts in the fight away from each other. I wanted to ask her when it was all over if she'd go get another tattoo with me. A band on her finger. Something dammit! gggrrrr


Yeah everything is great but the romance...SO mad at bioware right now. It's hard to say you want something more when really there nothing there in the first place i knida felt that way playing threw me3 just waiting for Jack so show up JUST 1 MORE TIME at least..

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GothamLord wrote...

I'm not mad in the aspect that of all the ME2 based romances Jack really came out the best in terms of what happened to her and character development I think. Its certainly better than poor Jacob/Thane fans. However the rage boils back when I see compared to the ME1 characters being Liara, Ashley/Kaidan, Garrus or Tali, that all the ME2 romances pretty much got thrown to the side as just an afterthought. The ME1 romances really seems shoved down our throats. My first play through was with Jack and even then I could feel the obvious overtones that every scene with Ashley or Liara was hanging expected some sort of romance point to spring up.

Exactly. It ****ing sucks how much emphasis BioWare has put on the ME1 romances, considering how they were pretty much absent for the entirety of ME2. Fans of Liara must be squealing in joy at how well things are going for them, while many of us are left in the dust.

Jack's romance was very disappointing, but at least we didn't have it as bad as Thane/Jacob. Jesus christ, that must be one punch in the gut.

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I must be in the minority about this one. The ending -- to me, at least -- was nothing to rage about.

I'm on my second playthrough of the game with the Son of Mindoir Shepard, and...I swear, I loved the hell out of that line.


EDIT:

And seeing as everyone's already doing fanfics to make up for the ending, I might think about doing my own, despite the fact that I'm content.

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Sundown Native wrote...

I must be in the minority about this one. The ending -- to me, at least -- was nothing to rage about.

I'm on my second playthrough of the game with the Son of Mindoir Shepard, and...I swear, I loved the hell out of that line.


EDIT:

And seeing as everyone's already doing fanfics to make up for the ending, I might think about doing my own, despite the fact that I'm content.


You were satisfied with Jacks romance? 

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Sundown Native wrote...

I must be in the minority about this one. The ending -- to me, at least -- was nothing to rage about.

I'm on my second playthrough of the game with the Son of Mindoir Shepard, and...I swear, I loved the hell out of that line.


EDIT:

And seeing as everyone's already doing fanfics to make up for the ending, I might think about doing my own, despite the fact that I'm content.


I'd love to read some Jack-centric ME3 fic.  I'm totally put-off to the game right now due to the lore-mangling done to the asari, so I need something to do.

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The Jack romance may not have been the best, but look at it this way. If you get the ending where Shepard lives, she's one of the few romance options still around to enjoy the new peace with him.That's how I got myself to accept it anyway.

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Militarized wrote...

Sundown Native wrote...

I must be in the minority about this one. The ending -- to me, at least -- was nothing to rage about.

I'm on my second playthrough of the game with the Son of Mindoir Shepard, and...I swear, I loved the hell out of that line.


EDIT:

And seeing as everyone's already doing fanfics to make up for the ending, I might think about doing my own, despite the fact that I'm content.


You were satisfied with Jacks romance? 




I'm not saying that it couldn't have been better, because it could. But I can understand the limited contact at the end, so it doesn't phase me as much. I forgot how far she was from Shepard anyway, so I don't really know if they could have made time for something more.


As for the Purgatory talk, well...That one line did it, for me. I'd have appreciated it if it were longer, or if she showed up more than once. Hell, if she stayed in the Purgatory like Thane stayed at the hospital (Even though it wouldn't work, storywise) I would have been estatic.


But yeah, I can see why they went about Jack they way they did. Because of that understanding, I'm content.


With that being said though, I'm gonna take a super long ass time to go to Grissom Academy next playthrough, just to see what could have happened.

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Ecmoose wrote...

The Jack romance may not have been the best, but look at it this way. If you get the ending where Shepard lives, she's one of the few romance options still around to enjoy the new peace with him.That's how I got myself to accept it anyway.



This. All this.

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I understand some of the points you've made, and like I said I can understand her not being a squadmate.

HOWEVER.. what I find totally unacceptable is that Jack would not go onto the Normandy before the final battle for one last good bye. I understand her being in the back on Earth helping shield people but she was not on earth originally. She's in that big huge fleet that Shepard is with... why make him sleep alone before he goes to his death.. alone? It made it feel that much more lonely and ****ing depressing.