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Good afternoon Jack Fans! I have a question:

I heard from a friend that, if you don't do the Grissom Academy mission, you'll later meet Jack as an indoctrinated Cerberus phantom. Is that true?

Edit: Oh god.... I found the video on youtube. That's cruel. ME3 has so much tearjerker potential. :crying:


I watched it right before going out to buy groceries. I was all "Jack, noooo!!," my heart was racing like crazy and left my house really upset.

Like I said before, I have so much respect for her. She fights Cerberus 'til the very end. I wish they added that final push battle with the Jack audio they cut out. Honestly, why would they do that? Did they run out of disk space and said, "No! We're fitting ME3 on two disks, not three!"

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A Bioware writer visited the Samara thread and said that he/she wanted to write more lines for Samara, but the writers were on a very strict dialogue "budget" towards the end. So, maybe the dialogue "budget" ate Jack's "I am so proud of you" speech.

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Somebody knows if Shepard has different lines about Phantom Jack if she is romanced?

Or is the same lines for a romanced and unromanced Phantom Jack?

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Somebody knows if Shepard has different lines about Phantom Jack if she is romanced?

Or is the same lines for a romanced and unromanced Phantom Jack?


Pretty sure they're the same lines, not even read differently.

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So if you contact a romanced Jack about the com officer in London do you get an acknowledgement of your romance?

Right now I'm not sure if I can endure the endings a second time and sadly the ME2 romances don't seem to get much content to make up for that.

But... I totally dig Jacks look in ME3. I think I have to do it regardless. Do we get to see her in the moment before Shep "dies"? Or just an image of the... uh... "main" LI?

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Everyone gets Liara.. even the more well done romances like Tali and Garrus get her lol

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TobiTobsen wrote...

So if you contact a romanced Jack about the com officer in London do you get an acknowledgement of your romance?

Right now I'm not sure if I can endure the endings a second time and sadly the ME2 romances don't seem to get much content to make up for that.

But... I totally dig Jacks look in ME3. I think I have to do it regardless. Do we get to see her in the moment before Shep "dies"? Or just an image of the... uh... "main" LI?


Regarding Jack's LI-specific dialogue with Shepard, here's a video: Link

No, if your LI wasn't Ashley, Kaidan, or Liara, you don't get an image of it during the black-and-white montage.

EDIT: BSN removing my links, wtf

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Also, while I'm here I'd like to post this, given the discussion of Jack ending up back on Cerberus' operating tables and becoming a pawn. i posted this on the internet on the 9th of January, 2011, so that makes it over a year old. But still, almost called it! I must be some kind of future psychic....


After pausing for a minute to gather their strength, the team stood up straight, looking about the lab.

"Well, Commander? What next?" Kaidan asked expectantly.

"We go after the Professor. She's the cornerstone of this facility. If we let her get away, she could start up again." Shepard said.

"Let the Alliance catch her. We've taken enough of a beating today." Jacob said wearily.

"No. We can't risk her getting away. She's here, today. Tomorrow, she could vanish into the Terminus systems, or go to ground in the Citadel slums. I'm not going to let that happen." Shepard said firmly. Jacob, too well trained to show any sign of reluctance, saluted.

The four teammates moved through the doorway they found underneath the screen that Vanessa had used to talk to them, stepping into a narrow corridor. They followed the twisting passages until they stepped out into a smaller lab than the one they had just left. Against the far wall, Vanessa Roinestad manipulated the controls at a terminal. In the centre of the room sat an operating table. Above the table hung a complex machine, a multitude of robotic arms descending from it to work on the patient laid out on the table below. The flesh on the patient's back had been cut open down the middle and pulled back to reveal the vertebrae of the spine, gleaming redly in the artificial light of the lab. Delicate arms worked to install various pieces of machinery which connected directly to the spinal cord, implants and capacitors like the ones that Shepard had seen in Vanessa's demonstration earlier that day. As the squad barged in, the robotic arms pulled the flesh back over the exposed bones, one arm stitching the wound closed.

Shepard staggered in shock when he saw the tattooed flesh underneath the Professor's monstrous machine. He could hardly breathe as the device finished its grisly work and moved up and away from the table, allowing the light to shine more clearly across the large omega symbol that dominated the shoulder blades.

Jack stirred on the operating table, awakening as if from a deep sleep rather than being summoned awake by the new signals flooding into her brain. As she struggled to sit up, the Professor laughed an ugly laugh.

"I believe you have met Subject Zero before, Commander. I'm sure you have plenty of catching up to do."

Jack staggered upright, stepping away from the table towards Shepard. As her brown eyes opened and focused on Shepard, a ghost of a smile tugged at her lips before being replaced by a harder expression. Pain filled her face as Vanessa dialled a few commands on her omnitool. As Jack stumbled, the professor moved to a door in the far wall and vanished.

"Shepard! Run!" Jack managed to cry out before screeching as wave after wave of pain flooded through her head.

"You guys go after the Professor. I'll deal with Jack!" Shepard ordered. As Jacob, Kaidan and Legion ran off in pursuit of the Cerberus scientist, he placed his rifle back on its magnetic plate on his back.

"Jack, stay still. I don't know what Roinestad managed to implant in you, but I'm going to do my best to get it out again."

"No, Shepard, you've really gotta run!" Jack whimpered, clutching her shaved head with both hands.

"Why?" he asked, trying to take a step closer. He jumped back when she took a backhanded swipe at him.

"'Cause I'm gonna kill you!" She nearly sobbed.

"How does that make this different from most other days you've known me?"

"Damnit, Commander! This is no time for you to **** around!" Tears streamed down her face as she turned her deep brown eyes to regard the Commander. "I can hear them, up here. They're pushing, and pushing. I can't shut it out." The words came in gasps, interspersed by tear-soaked sobs. "I'm fighting them, but it hurts so much. I just want to let go, let them take over. Please… I don't wanna hurt you, but I'm gonna if you don't get out of… here… right… ****ing… NOW!"

Shepard stood still, torn apart at seeing the woman he cared for so much being put through such torment. He took another step towards her, was about to put a comforting hand on her shoulder, when her posture changed completely. He shoulders stopped shaking from her sobs and she straightened. Biotic witchfire flickered along her arms as she launched herself at Shepard, bulling into him and lifting him up by the throat, pinning him to the wall.

As her hand tightened around his throat, he looked down into her hazel eyes, seeing the tears pour from their corners as she stared right back. Had she been anyone else, he would have fought back, done something to defend himself. But he was paralysed by his feelings. He tensed as she drew her free hand back to make the killing blow, eyes full of sorrow at what she was about to be forced to do.

There was a sudden, solid thump, and Jack's eyes rolled back in her head as she slumped to the deck, releasing her grip on Shepard's throat and letting him drop to the deck. Behind her, Kaidan returned his rifle to its place on his back, nodding to Shepard.

"Let me guess- you had it covered." He said casually. After a moment's silence, he felt compelled to speak again. "Jacob and Legion have the Professor. They're taking her to Anderson. He'll make sure she spends a whole lot of time in an Alliance prison."

Shepard knelt down next to Jack's inert form, quietly stroking her shaved head. He looked back up at his old friend, a mixture of emotions holding his tongue for a moment.

"Thank you, Kaidan. Can you help me get her back to the shuttle?"

Kaidan looked like he was about to object, but thought better of it. Instead, he nodded and went to find something to use as a stretcher.


Hey Fainmaca, I remember reading this part -- one of my favorites. You really made it believable and I'm so relieved your Shepard saves Jack and doesn't start killing her (like in the game) for being indoctrinated. I'm sure there would be a way to remove that mind-control chip. I know a Jack-romancing Shepard would never give up on Jack!! ^^

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Hello fellow Jackolytes!

I know Jack was among one of the utterly destroyed ME2 LIs in ME3. 

We have started a new thread for ALL the mistreated ME2 LIs in hopes to get some resolution for ALL of them!

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@ nightfable
Dude I love Never Let Me Go
I've been checking back constantly to see wether or not you've done more work


I'm glad someone likes it, lol! XD

I'm working on it today!

Anyone one is welcome to drop in and watch me type and make grammar mistakes, live -- thanks to Google Docs. Link here

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Nightfable wrote...

Hey Fainmaca, I remember reading this part -- one of my favorites. You really made it believable and I'm so relieved your Shepard saves Jack and doesn't start killing her (like in the game) for being indoctrinated. I'm sure there would be a way to remove that mind-control chip. I know a Jack-romancing Shepard would never give up on Jack!! ^^


Thanks! The Shep in my fic accepts nothing less than total victory, no matter the cost to himself. He will pull through this with as few casualties as possible, and Jack will most certainly not be one of them.

I will say, though, that I don't mind not being able to save Phantom Jack in the game. what I do mind is the minimalisation of the event. Aside from the excellent audio file that plays, no visual cue is given to drive home who she is. She looks identical to other phantoms and would completely pass me by as being an ordinary enemy were it not for the tag that says Jack above her head. At the least, she should have had a cutscene before engaging Shep. Its a waste of a very potent moment.

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I agree, it would have driven it home a lot more with a cut-scene of Phantom Jack. Or maybe a short scene when she is drawing her last few breaths and recognizing Shepard?

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Question for PC gamers: Would it be possible to mod Liara romance scene and stick Jack in her place instead? Because that would be interesting.

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mosesarose wrote...

Question for PC gamers: Would it be possible to mod Liara romance scene and stick Jack in her place instead? Because that would be interesting.


OMG!!! I SOOO WANT TO SEE THAT!!!! Please, please, please!!! :wub:

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Nightfable wrote...

mosesarose wrote...

Question for PC gamers: Would it be possible to mod Liara romance scene and stick Jack in her place instead? Because that would be interesting.


OMG!!! I SOOO WANT TO SEE THAT!!!! Please, please, please!!! :wub:

I do too that's why i'm asking if it's possiblePosted Image

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Jack mind-joining with Shepard, Jack with Liara's voice, I don't know WHAT the **** is going on.

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In true ME3 fashion, Jack has very little screen time like the other ME2 characters, but what little there is was quite enjoyable. I'm glad getting through to her at the end of ME2 didn't change her feisty attitude. Her romance scene at the end of ME2 was sweet and romantic, but she was a real firecracker in her renegade hook-up scene. It's nice to know she's still a freak for paragon Jackmancers :P The way they meet up again at Grissom Academy was electric.

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Premier Bromanov wrote...

Jack mind-joining with Shepard, Jack with Liara's voice, I don't know WHAT the **** is going on.


I would download, edit the sound out and make a music video. ^^ At least the blue biotic glow would be appropriate.

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KingNothing125 wrote...

In true ME3 fashion, Jack has very little screen time like the other ME2 characters, but what little there is was quite enjoyable. I'm glad getting through to her at the end of ME2 didn't change her feisty attitude. Her romance scene at the end of ME2 was sweet and romantic, but she was a real firecracker in her renegade hook-up scene. It's nice to know she's still a freak for paragon Jackmancers :P The way they meet up again at Grissom Academy was electric.


You weren't left feeling that the ME3 Jack romance scenes left out the emotional component of their relationship?

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Premier Bromanov wrote...

Jack mind-joining with Shepard, Jack with Liara's voice, I don't know WHAT the **** is going on.


I would download, edit the sound out and make a music video. ^^ At least the blue biotic glow would be appropriate.

Yes this would be awesome. Can anyone do it?

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Premier Bromanov wrote...

Jack mind-joining with Shepard, Jack with Liara's voice, I don't know WHAT the **** is going on.


Obviouslly the sound would have to be muted for the dialogue.  I dont remember any mind-joining in the ME3 scene though.  Just the swirling blue, which can work for Jack.  There might have been a weird flash during it that implied the mental link but it wasnt an obvious  black eyes connection we normally see to indicate that kinda thing. The flash is easily over looked as just a flash of passion. 

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Premier Bromanov wrote...

You weren't left feeling that the ME3 Jack romance scenes left out the emotional component of their relationship?


I've only just gotten past Grissom Academy in my Jackmance playthrough, so I haven't gotten to see her on the Citadel or in the holovid at the end yet.

I have heard those concerns though, and I share them. I definitely don't want her freakiness to come at the expense of her genuine emotion.

Since ME2 romances get so little screen time, I'm kinda hoping there's some kind of romance DLC that will expand on them... and Jack, in particular... I hope she gets more chances to let her sweet side come back out.

But come on, N7 tattoo on her butt? How great is that? :lol:

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GothamLord wrote...

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Jack mind-joining with Shepard, Jack with Liara's voice, I don't know WHAT the **** is going on.


Obviouslly the sound would have to be muted for the dialogue.  I dont remember any mind-joining in the ME3 scene though.  Just the swirling blue, which can work for Jack.  There might have been a weird flash during it that implied the mental link but it wasnt an obvious  black eyes connection we normally see to indicate that kinda thing. The flash is easily over looked as just a flash of passion. 


What about the Ashley scene? Could someone mod that too? :lol:

Or... any scene, actually. I just want to see more Jack, lol!

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mosesarose wrote...

Nightfable wrote...

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Jack mind-joining with Shepard, Jack with Liara's voice, I don't know WHAT the **** is going on.


I would download, edit the sound out and make a music video. ^^ At least the blue biotic glow would be appropriate.

Yes this would be awesome. Can anyone do it?


There should be a way to character swap the bodies, but the dialogue and voice wouldn't change.  However, substitute some music for the dialogue and you're golden! 
Unfortunately I play on 360 - but I've seen it done with DA2. 

PS - I was a Thanemancer and would really like someone to swap Garrus with Thane in ME3 :)

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Cosmochyck wrote...

mosesarose wrote...

Nightfable wrote...

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Jack mind-joining with Shepard, Jack with Liara's voice, I don't know WHAT the **** is going on.


I would download, edit the sound out and make a music video. ^^ At least the blue biotic glow would be appropriate.

Yes this would be awesome. Can anyone do it?


There should be a way to character swap the bodies, but the dialogue and voice wouldn't change.  However, substitute some music for the dialogue and you're golden! 
Unfortunately I play on 360 - but I've seen it done with DA2. 

PS - I was a Thanemancer and would really like someone to swap Garrus with Thane in ME3 :)


Sounds like a wonderful idea! <3