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[Confused-Shepard]

Mass Effect 2 is the best game in the series as of today. ME 3 can keep it's silly rolling around.
I actually think focusing on individual characters and their stories is better than the cliche EPIC QUEST!

[rpgfan321]

I liked Jack even more after ME3. She is such a badass.

[Udalango]

Im replaying through the Second one. Jack looks awesome with the shaved head. But her hair do in the third one feels right.

[Tenauri]

Rememeber that fanart of Jack comforting a Sole Survivor Shepard after a horrible nightmare?

I don't believe I've seen this one. Any chance you (or someone) could share?

Also, I agree that Mass Effect 2 was my favorite game in the trilogy. Then 3, then 1. 2 had a really cool "scenes from a galaxy" feel to it - that while on the whole the plot wasn't overly critical, it did a lot to make us feel more attached to these people so we'd really want to do what we can to save them in 3.

[Confused-Shepard]

Tenauri wrote...

Rememeber that fanart of Jack comforting a Sole Survivor Shepard after a horrible nightmare?

I don't believe I've seen this one. Any chance you (or someone) could share?

Also, I agree that Mass Effect 2 was my favorite game in the trilogy. Then 3, then 1. 2 had a really cool "scenes from a galaxy" feel to it - that while on the whole the plot wasn't overly critical, it did a lot to make us feel more attached to these people so we'd really want to do what we can to save them in 3.

http://stevegoad.dev... nightmare&qo=0 

[BugNastIE]

Id love to have more conversations with jack. But it seems that you don't really communicate with many of the squadmates like you did in me2.

[kylemesa]

Jack's care for the students at the school shows how much she should still care about Shepard. She wouldn't just cut all ties with him the way she did after you meet up again. Shepard helped her with many of her problems, she should be jumping at the chance to come chill in the normandy again.

I hope bioware makes ME2 themed DLC. It's almost owed to us at this point.

[ohbobsagetpiss]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

The only issue I had with Jack's romance arc in ME3 was its abrupt ending. I mean, c'mon, give us an emotional goodbye after the dance, not some magical disappearance. Especially since that's a scene that all Shepards get, if I'm not mistaken.

I get why some of you are disappointed and that's fair. I'm just not. I also felt like I wanted just one more conversation, but I probably would have wanted just one more conversation if they gave me 20!

What did you think of the conversation with Jack via the holo-communicator?

Where is this exactly? I know it's on Earth, but i must have missed it somehow.

[BugNastIE]

Me2 themed dlc would be great. Since I feel like its being shoved down my throat to leave jack. I miss her vulnerability and her hesitancey to get close.

[GothamLord]

ohbobsagetpiss wrote...

Premier Bromanov wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

The only issue I had with Jack's romance arc in ME3 was its abrupt ending. I mean, c'mon, give us an emotional goodbye after the dance, not some magical disappearance. Especially since that's a scene that all Shepards get, if I'm not mistaken.

I get why some of you are disappointed and that's fair. I'm just not. I also felt like I wanted just one more conversation, but I probably would have wanted just one more conversation if they gave me 20!

What did you think of the conversation with Jack via the holo-communicator?

Where is this exactly? I know it's on Earth, but i must have missed it somehow.

Over by Kaidan (assuming he's alive,not sure if Ash ends up in the same location) there is a door into a make-shift com room area. You can call several different former squad mates assuming they are still alive.  

[Rip The Reaper]

GothamLord wrote...

ohbobsagetpiss wrote...

Premier Bromanov wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

The only issue I had with Jack's romance arc in ME3 was its abrupt ending. I mean, c'mon, give us an emotional goodbye after the dance, not some magical disappearance. Especially since that's a scene that all Shepards get, if I'm not mistaken.

I get why some of you are disappointed and that's fair. I'm just not. I also felt like I wanted just one more conversation, but I probably would have wanted just one more conversation if they gave me 20!

What did you think of the conversation with Jack via the holo-communicator?

Where is this exactly? I know it's on Earth, but i must have missed it somehow.

Over by Kaidan (assuming he's alive,not sure if Ash ends up in the same location) there is a door into a make-shift com room area. You can call several different former squad mates assuming they are still alive.  

Yeah it's a room right behind Ash/Kaidan (I'm sure it's the same spot). Door is beside them

[Rip The Reaper]

kylemesa wrote...

Jack's care for the students at the school shows how much she should still care about Shepard. She wouldn't just cut all ties with him the way she did after you meet up again. Shepard helped her with many of her problems, she should be jumping at the chance to come chill in the normandy again.

That's how I feel

[Militarized]

I got suspended yesterday in the Final Hours firestorm >.>...

That artwork is BEAUTIFUL! WOW! Absolutely amazing.

[fainmaca]

Confused-Shepard wrote...

Mass Effect 2 is the best game in the series as of today. ME 3 can keep it's silly rolling around.
I actually think focusing on individual characters and their stories is better than the cliche EPIC QUEST!

Agreed. I play Bioware games for compelling characters and the story connected to them. In this third installment it essentially discarded all of those previous relationships and connections. I could have handled an EPIC QUEST!!!! if the characters supporting it continued to be fleshed out in Bioware's iconic masterful way. The examples seen in 3 are actually more exemplary of a ryshed Obsidian sequel than a proper Bioware effort.

I really feel for the PS3 crowd, though. They got attached to Jack, Legion, Thane and so on, only to have them thrown aside in favour of a crew which resembles an old formation you don't recognise, refers to events you haven't seen, and already all act as your best friends, in spite of the only interaction you've had with them being the Horizon blowoff or indifference on the part of Liara. This friendship they have with you is based on a game you haven't played, and probably never will. For PS3 users, ME2 serves as a way to introduce EDI before Bioware tacked some boobs onto her.

[thesnake777]

Rip The Reaper wrote...

GothamLord wrote...

ohbobsagetpiss wrote...

Premier Bromanov wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

The only issue I had with Jack's romance arc in ME3 was its abrupt ending. I mean, c'mon, give us an emotional goodbye after the dance, not some magical disappearance. Especially since that's a scene that all Shepards get, if I'm not mistaken.

I get why some of you are disappointed and that's fair. I'm just not. I also felt like I wanted just one more conversation, but I probably would have wanted just one more conversation if they gave me 20!

What did you think of the conversation with Jack via the holo-communicator?

Where is this exactly? I know it's on Earth, but i must have missed it somehow.

Over by Kaidan (assuming he's alive,not sure if Ash ends up in the same location) there is a door into a make-shift com room area. You can call several different former squad mates assuming they are still alive.  

Yeah it's a room right behind Ash/Kaidan (I'm sure it's the same spot). Door is beside them

Its simply amazing how no attention is put towards this communicator..

To be honest I dont understand why the effort was put into Jack redisgin (which is awesome but I loved her in ME2 as well) if we dont get to see her really at all in game..

Heres to hopeing for some Jack DLC

[Padt]

Good afternoon, all. Longtime lurker, first time poster, as well as fairly dedicated Jack fan here. I've been playing ME3 quite avidly during the past week and have already finished a couple of playthroughs, all featuring Jack as my love interest of choice (even in one where I had originally intended to end things with her so that I could explore ME3's new romance options; Jackie's allure is extraordinarily difficult to resist, it seems). As someone who has been completely enamored with Jack's character all the way back from ME2 and considers her one of the best characters the series has to offer, I'm inclined to say that I'm honestly quite happy with her portrayal (and that of her relationship with Shepard) in ME3, my one and only complaint being that I wish we'd gotten the chance to spend a little more time with her. It sort of defied expectations for me, I'll admit. When I first read about her new role and her dialogue in the leaked script (as you might expect, the parts of the script concerning her were among the first I sought out), I was honestly not certain what to make of most of it. And when I first saw her redesigns in the art book, I felt a little wary. But seeing these things executed in the game, I can honestly say that I'm really, really satisfied with them. Like I said above, my issues with ME3 concerning Jack lie not in the portrayal itself, but rather in how minuscule her part is. She's fantastic in this game, as is her relationship with Shepard, in my opinion. Naturally, I will wish we could have gotten to see more of both.

So I figure I'd contribute a few thoughts. As you may have been able to divine at this point, however, I have a horrible tendency to ramble incoherently, and frankly, I am not what you would call a terribly insightful person, so much of what follows next may hold little interest to many of you. Should you have little patience for any of these things, especially coming a wet-behind-the-ears newbiew to the forum, it may be advisable to just skip to the next post.

Anyway, so. I've seen a few complaints, certainly. About how the romance seems to play out more physically than emotionally, about how Jack seems a little too comfortable with the idea of ending things with Shepard, and any number of other things. I can understand them, but personally, so much of the way her romance played out just really...'clicks' with the vision I've always had regarding Jack's character, as well as the type of dynamic I think she would have with Shepard. I honestly think they *would* be the sort of couple who'd be all over each other even in public, damn the onlookers (so much so, frankly, that I'm a bit surprised she only goes for a dance at Purgatory with a Shepard who romanced her; I think I probably would have expected them to find a restroom stall to squeeze themselves into for a while). Jack *would* be the sort to turn to violence when she's upset at Shepard, she *would* pick a wry, ironic "pet name" like "******" to refer to him, she would...well, you get my point. I like all of this a lot, is what I'm trying to say.

And I know all this...wryness and physicality (and other things about the romance that I'll get to in a minute) may give the impression that there is little emotional component to their relationship, but I choose to think that they are simply the vehicles through which that emotional component is communicated. Jack doesn't strike me as one for expressing emotionality verbally very often (she's "not good at this soft stuff", as she puts it in ME2), and I've always thought one of the great things about the execution of her character is that almost all of what she feels seems to be conveyed less in what she says than in how she says it (not just in the tone, cadence and inflection of her voice, but even in more tangible things like the way she chooses to frame her sentences and expressions) and the way in which she carries herself when speaking. I've always thought it was notable that even in ME2, Jack never explicitly states that she has feelings for Shepard, or that she feels guilty over Murtock's death, or that she was attached to the outlaw colony that she took revenge over. Instead, she just lets these feelings float into the air and hang there, unstated but made clear by the things she says or does about them. Given her background and general personality, she strikes me as the sort of person who is simply not 'wired' to discuss these things openly, no more so than, say, a character like Grunt would be. 

But just because she doesn't address these feelings directly and verbally doesn't mean she doesn't have them. In the case of ME3, I don't think it's a great leap to say that socking Shepard in the jaw is simply another way of conveying the hurt she felt at the fact that he left her to stand trial on Earth, and smooching him up - right in front of her students, in a hall that was flooding with Cerberus agents less than a minute ago and that, so far as any of them know, may soon become flooded with agents again - is an expression of how much she cares about him, and how glad she is to see him again. So is the fact that she actually went so far as to get a tattoo to commemorate their relationship. All of this is essentially the "do, not say" component of Jack's character in action, as well as an expression of her temperamental nature. She doesn't say "I love you", she shows it by making out indiscriminately with you. She doesn't say that someone or something is important or significant to her, she expresses it by leaving a permanent mark of it on her body. And she doesn't say that she missed you or that you really hurt her when you did this or that, she just hurts you right back and then angrily scolds you and insults you for what you did. Essentially, all of these things strike me as eminently in character.

(And as far as "physicality" goes...the truth is, Jack has always struck me as very...very feisty and libidinous. She very much seems to be a woman who likes having sex, who likes getting physical, and who completely owns it. I mean...she's the love interest who expresses her attachment to Shepard by blatantly stating that his "weirdness" "gets her off". And in her casual sex scene, she seems to enjoy herself completely with someone that she cares not a whit about. I think it only follows that she'd enjoy herself even more with someone she cares about deeply, and that she would be inclined to get as physical with them as much as she could possibly get away with)

(Also, while we're on the Grissom Academy portion of the romance, I would be remiss if I didn't remark on how much I love the entire conversation that follows that first makeout session. Not just the things that are said there, or Courtenay Taylor's wonderful, vivid performance, or the fact that it allows us to glimpse some more of Jack's fortitude, her attachment to her students and her dry sense of humor. No, one of the things I like most about it is, in fact, what Mark Meer brought to the table as Shepard, and the work the animators did with his facial expressions. Prior to that conversation, Shepard is his usual self. Commanding, stoic, speaking in the typical growly tone of voice as he barks orders to Cortez and Kahlee and the squad on how to best deal with the situation at hand. But the second he approaches Jack in the hall, his voice becomes several orders of magnitude softer, he gets all fluffy, and the attachment he feels towards her, I think, really comes through. The almost trembling way in which he says "So...about you and me...", coupled with the anxious facial expression, completely betray how worried he is about the state of things between them, how eager he must be to apologize and make everything right again. And then when he tells her that he's glad they got a chance to talk, the relief he feels at seeing her again is almost palpable. It may sound like a strange claim to make, but I honestly think this single, entirely brief conversation probably features Meer's best work in any of the romances in any of the games)

Now, regarding the fact that Jack seems...a little too comfortable with the idea of breaking up with Shepard, particularly during the conversation in Purgatory. Honestly, I see this simply as a reflection of Jack's strong independent streak. I think we can all agree with the notion that Jack cares for Shepard a lot, but let's be entirely frank here: she's a grown-ass woman. She has probably lived completely by herself a majority of the time she's been outside of Pragia, and in that time she has learned to be self-reliant (not just in practical matters, but also emotionally). She had a life all to her own prior to joining Shepard's suicide squad, she continues to have one now that she's left it, and the reality of the situation she and Shepard currently find themselves in is that they both have very different priorities that they must attend to, and those priorities are physically setting them apart. I think it's a complete sign of maturity for both of them that they're willing to end things in a generally amicable fashion (Jack does grumble a bit if you go decide to go the tactless route and try to end it with her the moment you see her at the academy), and the fact of the matter is that almost all of the love interests from the previous games are willing to do the same, because most of them are intelligent people who realize the importance of what they (and Shepard) are doing and that a relationship must not take precedence over it. I think it's great that Jack counts herself among those people. Anything else would go beyond "attachment" and veer into codependency. I also think it's another great sign of maturity that she isn't willing to leave her students for Shepard, because she realizes and accepts that they need her more than he does, but more importantly, they also need her more than she needs Shepard. *That*, in my opinion, is the greatest sign of maturity of all. The fact that she's entirely willing to put the needs of others who are more helpless than her (and Shepard) ahead of her own.

Even so, when you tell her that you *don't* want to end things with her, the relief and happiness in her voice ("*God*, you make the best mistakes") is very palpable.

And I know much has been made of her "No strings" line near the end of that conversation. In my view, both this line and the following one ("...but if we get out of this alive...") are linked together, and so must be examined in conjunction. My interpretation of "No strings, but if we get out of this alive..." is that Jack is essentially saying, "Okay, we both have things that we need to take care of right now, and those things are keeping us apart right now. So let's not commit to anything other than the fact that we will get together again if/when we survive this. But if/when we survive this, we're gonna get *really* serious, alright?" Maybe there's a wedding tattoo in the near future for one or both of them? I dunno.

Anyway, these are just my rambling and my probably entirely incoherent two cents regarding Jack, Shepard and the way their relationship is expressed in ME3. I realize not all may agree with my take on it, or enjoy what we got haned in the game, but as I said above, I was honestly very happy with almost all of it. My only real gripe is that I wish we could have gotten more of it, maybe in the form of a few more conversations with Jack or, hell, even just a love scene of the sort that the games have traditionally delivered (chronologically, it wouldn't even have to take place just prior to the attack on Earth, I think; the moment when she and her students come aboard the Normandy after you rescue them would have been a perfect time to squeeze in a romantic conversation/scene between her and Shepard. Anyway, I have a hard time believing the two of them didn't sneak out on the kids and up to Shepard's cabin as soon as they had the chance).

Modifié par Padt, 16 mars 2012 - 10:58 .

[KingNothing125]

Au contraire, Padt... the only parts where you were rambling were when you were telling us that you ramble, lol.

All good points, and I agree completely. Very excellent post.

The only thing I would add is that it's only been 6 months or so since Arrival and the end of ME2, and Jack's got some serious abandonment issues. So, yeah, she had a breakthrough before the suicide mission, but let's not pretend she's totally fixed already. It would be only natural for her to put some walls back up to avoid getting hurt again. It permeates every conversation you have with her. When she talks about lasering off her N7 tat when you first meet up again, or being OK with breaking up to concentrate on work (her students, and Shep saving the world), and even the "no strings" line. She always expects the worst case scenario, just so she isn't disappointed when it happens. All Shep can do is keep coming back, to prove to her that he's not going anywhere.

Which is why you damn sure better choose the Destroy option at the end so you survive to come back to her

[Premier Bromanov]

There's no doubt that Jack is a physical person as well as an emotional person.  Part of Jack expressing herself emotionally would be her enjoying her guy physically.  That's basic.  Intimacy is part emotion, and in ME2, Jack separated sex from intimacy.  Considering the physical and emotional abuse that Jack has endured, a kiss from her means a lot.  It indicates that she trusts him.  It indicates that Jack is willing to go outside her comfort zone for him.

I would have preferred conversations with Jack where her feelings and emotions are the topic of discussion.  Even if Jack has difficulty articulating her emotions, Shepard still had heavy conversations with her in ME2.  In ME3, there's nothing like that.  Most of us seem to agree that Shepard did not "fix" Jack, that she will never be "fixed", and that Shepard loves her despite her problems.  So, there's still ground to cover here that I think could have been covered during formal romance scenes, without in any way making the kisses and the grabbing seem insignificant.  I guess it boils down to content restraints.

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 17 mars 2012 - 12:29 .

[Tequila Man]

 I just came by to say:



Zero emotional time with Jack. Really, they wrote her saying "I'm going to get laid" before Shepard, the love of her life, bumrushes a Destroyer to magically teleport into a floating fortress hundreds of miles above Earth?
 
Bull****. Even at her hardest, Jack was still the woman who cried onto Shepard's shoulder. I want my final words.

[Premier Bromanov]

In multiplayer, I'm making a human female adept named "Jack". The humans have a powerset that I think fits Jack perfectly.

[Premier Bromanov]

Tequila Man wrote...

 I just came by to say:



Zero emotional time with Jack. Really, they wrote her saying "I'm going to get laid" before Shepard, the love of her life, bumrushes a Destroyer to magically teleport into a floating fortress hundreds of miles above Earth?
 
Bull****. Even at her hardest, Jack was still the woman who cried onto Shepard's shoulder. I want my final words.

I agree.  Jack uses verbal distance to mask her emotions.  But at that part, I just couldn't accept that her emotions wouldn't show through just a little bit.  She sounds so passive about the line, too.  Makes it sound like she'd shrug it off and grab the nearest soldier for a kiss if she were to hear that Shepard had died on the Citadel.

[l DryIce l]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Tequila Man wrote...

 I just came by to say:



Zero emotional time with Jack. Really, they wrote her saying "I'm going to get laid" before Shepard, the love of her life, bumrushes a Destroyer to magically teleport into a floating fortress hundreds of miles above Earth?
 
Bull****. Even at her hardest, Jack was still the woman who cried onto Shepard's shoulder. I want my final words.

I agree.  Jack uses verbal distance to mask her emotions.  But at that part, I just couldn't accept that her emotions wouldn't show through just a little bit.  She sounds so passive about the line, too.  Makes it sound like she'd shrug it off and grab the nearest soldier for a kiss if she were to hear that Shepard had died on the Citadel.

I agree. During that part, I really was expecting something more. Heck, Miranda had a longer goodbye moment than Jack even if you romanced Jack. What's up with that? I'm probably going to die Jack...a little more concern here.

[zombitologist]

 Is it just me or does instuctor Jack remind you a  bit of Starbuck from BSG. at least as far as how she treats her students. I loved her even more in ME3, and while I was disappointed by how it turned out I was still fairly satsified.

[Visii]

Hey guys,

If you wanna make your discontent known about Jack's portrayal in ME3, get loud, here:

http://social.biowar...dex/10098213/1.

That's what I'm doing.