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[Padt]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

I'm having trouble thinking of material for Jack DLC, because we do know that Jack won't leave her students, and we don't know if Jack has completely left her past behind.  Then, there's the issue of the ending, which is a straight shot pretty much to the conclusion, so where would you fit in more Jack story?

To get Jack away from her pupils, something extremely important would have to come up.  It's not as if her students aren't being taken care of by the Alliance, but she's formed a tight emotional bond with them.

If Jack goes with Shepard to mop up what's left of Cerberus, that tells you that Jack hasn't completely left her past behind.  It may set a bad example for her students and for her professional image, if Jack even cares about such a thing.  In addition, where would you fit that in to ME3?  Since the ending of ME3 hurries you right along, there's no space for additions.  Content can't take place after ME3, because Shepard's fate is unknown.  Lastly, Jack can be a Phantom.  Where would the writers fit in new material?  In ME2, character-driven DLC was easy, because it introduced a character, or it returned one to you who couldn't die beforehand (Liara).  With Jack, the situation is a mess.

I'd say the easiest way to do this would be to have one or more of her students get kidnapped by Cerberus (basically, a second shot at what Cerberus was trying to do at Grissom Academy, except this time they're successful). Jack goes ballistic, then sends Shepard an email requesting his/her help rescuing the students ASAP. Shepard and Jack (as a squadmate) infiltrate some nondescript Cerberus facility, kill a lot of people, etc. Then do some LotSB-style catching up on the Normandy. Chronologically, it could take place during Acts 2 or 3 of the game, that is to say, after Cerberus' attack on the Citadel.

As for people who did not save Jack in ME2 - or who did not help her at Grissom Academy - well, I don't know. Maybe they couldd get an abridged, slightly modified version of the mission (e.g., the email comes from Kahlee Sanders instead of Jack, Jack doesn't become a squadmate, etc.). It's hard to see how that can be worked around, but at the same time, it's not like keeping Jack alive through the aforementioned circumstances is particularly difficult, and maybe BioWare/EA could simply release the DLC with a note saying that if you want the full-fledged experience that it provides, you should make sure that Jack is alive and well in your playthrough. Or something.

[spirosz]

Aver88 wrote...

Oh come on. Some of teammates have bigger reasons to not be with you (Tali, Garrus, Liara) and yet they are joining you. She is not even with her pupils for a whole time. And remember that every good teacher's dream is to make his pupils self-reliant. They want to see them strong/smart enough to be independent. 

It's easy to just change her line in the bar. She is saying something like "I would join you but we are actually doing a good job, so I can't leave them".

They just need change it to something like "I underestimated those little brats, they are doing so good that they don't even need me anymore. So I was thinking about joining someone who might need a little help. You know I know one boy scout that might need me. <wink wink>". 

But Jack is different and deals with things in a different way, she's still getting used to her role and I don't think she would want to stay away for a long period of time, she see's good in them and they see the good in her, plus Biotics and kids are a huge deal. 

What I do suggest, is maybe make the "Shore Leave" time a bit longer, maybe after Purgatory, they head to the Normandy, like what they did with Liara in her ME2 DLC after the Shadow Brokers ship.  That's all I really want, just more time to talk to her a bit and not have the feeling that the relationship is all "physical"

Modifié par spiros9110, 23 mars 2012 - 10:05 .

[Aver88]

Many characters can die in ME2 and yet they are in the game as squadmates so it's not a problem.

[spirosz]

Aver88 wrote...

Many characters can die in ME2 and yet they are in the game as squadmates so it's not a problem.

The only two are Garrus and Tali and Tali comes late in the story.  Mordin and Legion stay on board, but they have good reasons till their "farewell" scenes. 

[Aver88]

What I do suggest, is maybe make the "Shore Leave" time a bit longer, maybe after Purgatory, they head to the Normandy, like what they did with Liara in her ME2 DLC after the Shadow Brokers ship.

They won't release DLC just about "Shore Leave". I can imagine those comments "What's next BioWare? Armour for a horse?"

[Premier Bromanov]

Personally, I'd like to see Jack put her past behind her.  I don't think she'll have a choice, either way, since you cap TIM.  You could speculate that Cerberus would remain, but the question remains, would she care?

I'd much rather play content that brings peaceful closure to the most traumatic part of her life.  I don't suppose that would make for action-packed DLC, though.

If Jack's future must be in some way action-packed, and must in some way include Cerberus, I'd like to see her leading Alliance anti-Cerberus operations, not out of hatred or desire for revenge, but out of concern for what they might do to human biotic children.  EDIT: I want for Jack's future to be constructive, not destructive.

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 23 mars 2012 - 10:10 .

[Aver88]

spiros9110 wrote...

Aver88 wrote...

Many characters can die in ME2 and yet they are in the game as squadmates so it's not a problem.

The only two are Garrus and Tali and Tali comes late in the story.  Mordin and Legion stay on board, but they have good reasons till their "farewell" scenes. 

Garrus joins very early. Grissom Academy is the first N7 mission and I already had Garrus with me.

Modifié par Aver88, 23 mars 2012 - 10:09 .

[Aver88]

Well, such details like Jack's future and how she develop we should leave to writers. We should focus on showing writers why they should make DLC about her. Otherwise we won't be able to see her future at all.

[Padt]

I'll say, I'd pay out the ear for some Shore Leave DLC. Well, I mean. I'd also pay out the ear for DLC that was just making out with Jack some more, so it's not like I'm the best barometer to determine what would make for good, marketable DLC.

[Aver88]

Padt wrote...

I'll say, I'd pay out the ear for some Shore Leave DLC. Well, I mean. I'd also pay out the ear for DLC that was just making out with Jack some more, so it's not like I'm the best barometer to determine what would make for good, marketable DLC.

I won't pay for anything that I can experience watching video on YT . For me there are two options: proper DLC about her or I won't buy it.

[spirosz]

Aver88 wrote...

What I do suggest, is maybe make the "Shore Leave" time a bit longer, maybe after Purgatory, they head to the Normandy, like what they did with Liara in her ME2 DLC after the Shadow Brokers ship.



They won't release DLC just about "Shore Leave". I can imagine those comments "What's next BioWare? Armour for a horse?"

I was suggesting expanding on what's already there, so it flows better with the story - so going to the Normandy after their little dance, spending some time back in her old little staircase; oh the memories... maybe talking about going pirate in the future, lol. I can't really think of anything that could work with the story we have right now, I don't think she cares much about Cerberus now because she has her kids, so I don't see that being any type of motivation, unless they end up kidnapping them, which they tried and failed during Grissom. So I personally wouldn't want her focused on something like that, it would be redundant.

Modifié par spiros9110, 23 mars 2012 - 10:52 .

[Aver88]

spiros9110 wrote...
I was suggesting expanding on what's already there, so it flows better with the story - so going to the Normandy after their little dance, spending some time back in her old little staircase; oh the memories... maybe talking about going pirate in the future, lol. I can't really think of anything that could work with the story we have right now, I don't think she cares much about Cerberus now because she has her kids, so I don't see that being any type of motivation, unless they end up kidnapping them, which they tried and failed during Grissom. So I personally wouldn't want her focused on something like that, it would be redundant.

Yeah, I don't think that Cerberus is a good motivation for her. In bar she didn't seem to care about Cerberus. 

For me just sake of galaxy, friendship/love and adventure is good enough for her to join Shepard as she said "I would join you but..."
I don't feel like changing her line so she can leave her pupils would be bad. I don't think that she (even after her transformation) should be overprotective-mother that want babysit her pupils until death - it just doesn't feel like her.

If she would believe that kids are safe and skilled enough she would leave with Shepard without second thought. And it can be easily changed.

Modifié par Aver88, 23 mars 2012 - 10:57 .

[istle]

Just tweeted @masseffect and got "Thank you for the feedback! She's got quite a following! :)".

So apparently there are a lot of people who want more of this complex character.

The reply made me smile in any case

Modifié par istle, 23 mars 2012 - 11:29 .

[spirosz]

Aver88 wrote...

Yeah, I don't think that Cerberus is a good motivation for her. In bar she didn't seem to care about Cerberus.

For me just sake of galaxy, friendship/love and adventure is good enough for her to join Shepard as she said "I would join you but..."
I don't feel like changing her line so she can leave her pupils would be bad. I don't think that she (even after her transformation) should be overprotective-mother that want babysit her pupils until death - it just doesn't feel like her.

If she would believe that kids are safe and skilled enough she would leave with Shepard without second thought. And it can be easily changed.

That's the thing though, I don't believe she does - didn't she even state they're not ready, they're just just teenagers. Sure I can imagine them fighting well, but if one was to die, I can just imagine what would flow through Jack's mind if she wasn't even there at one point, it was hard enough for her to lose Murdock(sp?). I could see her coming up with too many excuses to reasons why it would be her fault that one of them died, especially if she wasn't there "****, I should of been there, showed them this, blah blah, etc". "You ever seen me flinch or run? Death is easy, ****ing on/off switch" - that might be the case for her, but not for them, they're still not built for that type of action yet and especially at this level, fighting off Cerberus or Mercenaries are one thing, but hordes of Reapers forces, that's a whole other ball field for them. Jack can only teach so much with so little time as well.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to sound like I don't want her around (I obviously do), but I'm just having a hard time picturing a scenario where she would be able to leave for a long time, at least not till the war is over and we knows what happens after...

Modifié par spiros9110, 23 mars 2012 - 11:14 .

[Aver88]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to sound like I don't want her around (I obviously do), but I'm just having a hard time picturing a scenario where she would be able to leave for a long time, at least not till the war is over and we knows what happens after...

That's why I'm saying about changing her line about them not being ready. I can imagine her leaving them when she know that they are in good hand, especially when their role are support.

You know, Garrus left his people becuase "What do I know about Reapers? I just seen two of them". It's a way cheaper than that what I'm talking about.  

Modifié par Aver88, 23 mars 2012 - 11:53 .

[Aver88]

The reply made me smile in any case

Yeah, very satisfying reply.

[jackncoke28]

Easy remedy would be to assign Jack's group to be biotic support team for Normandy crew, problem solved :-)

Modifié par jackncoke28, 24 mars 2012 - 12:01 .

[Aver88]

jackncoke28 wrote...

Easy remedy would be to assign Jack's group to be support biotic team for Normandy crew, problem solved :-)

Too much work for dev team.  And I really don't know what they could do on Normandy.

Modifié par Aver88, 24 mars 2012 - 12:05 .

[jackncoke28]

Aver88 wrote...

jackncoke28 wrote...

Easy remedy would be to assign Jack's group to be support biotic team for Normandy crew, problem solved :-)

Too much work for dev team. And I really don't know what they could do on Normandy.

support during certain missions. students dont really need diologue, just have 'em stand around, or sit in mess hall area, or hangout with vega and cortez.

edit: if anything, assignment excuse can be used for extra, before ending, DLC like Omega or something

Modifié par jackncoke28, 24 mars 2012 - 12:10 .

[Rip The Reaper]

My first playhtough I was almost certain Jack was coming aboard when Hacket did. It seemed to make since to me. She and her student squad was with the fleet. Thought I was gonna get that romance scene after all...It was depressing waking up in my bed alone before the Cerbers HQ mission

[Padt]

I think it'd be best if any new material that gave Jack more screen time in the game worked as an additive to what's already there, as opposed to changing things around (i.e., changing her dialogue at Purgatory, etc.). Lair of the Shadow Broker, for my money, is a perfect model to follow when it comes to adding new content featuring old squadmates to a Mass Effect game. Hell, it might be the best model for adding new content, full stop.

And I also have a difficult time seeing Jack prying herself away from her kids (physically or emotionally), which is why I think it'd be best if whatever matter led her to join forces with Shepard concerned them in some way. Maybe it doesn't have to be something involving Cerberus. It could just be as simple as, "Jack and her kids are fighting something/someone somewhere and they could use some support, so go help them". When you think about it, one of the things that make it easy to create DLC concerning Jack is that unlike many other former squadmates, she's actually, actively involved in the trenches of the war effort, much like Shepard. She mentions that she saw action in Palaven, for example (*Shepard* doesn't see action in Palaven, for heaven's sake), and one of the messages she sends on the Mass Effect Datapad app says that she blew up a Reaper base somewhere ("Reminded me of you", she says). It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to think she that and Shepard could cross paths again at some point.

Modifié par Padt, 24 mars 2012 - 12:15 .

[Aver88]

jackncoke28 wrote...

Aver88 wrote...

jackncoke28 wrote...

Easy remedy would be to assign Jack's group to be support biotic team for Normandy crew, problem solved :-)

Too much work for dev team. And I really don't know what they could do on Normandy.

support during certain missions. students dont really need diologue, just have 'em stand around, or sit in mess hall area, or hangout with vega and cortez.

edit: if anything, assignment excuse can be used for extra, before ending, DLC like Omega or something

I'm still fan of idea of Jack leaving her students because she believe that they are ready. Even more - idea of some students dieing after that is kinda interesting. It could be great situation for a deep conversation.

[Aver88]

Padt wrote...
And I also have a difficult time seeing Jack prying herself away from her kids (physically or emotionally), which is why I think it'd be best if whatever matter led her to join forces with Shepard concerned them in some way.

I'm fan of Jack joining as full companion because in ME3 characters talk much more during missions and it would be great occasion to learn more about Jack.

Beside, it was hard for me to imagine Garrus leaving his troops on Palaven (and later he is chilling in Citadel like nothing happened) and admiral Tali leaving her fleet. Yet, both of them were more than happy to leave their people.

[l7986]

wow just watched a clip on youtube were your in the cerberus base and you here them expirementing on jack and turn her into a phantom that just felt like a kick in the nuts. just took me out of the good mood i was in.

[K0M154R]

Rip The Reaper wrote...

My first playhtough I was almost certain Jack was coming aboard when Hacket did. It seemed to make since to me. She and her student squad was with the fleet. Thought I was gonna get that romance scene after all...It was depressing waking up in my bed alone before the Cerbers HQ mission

Exactly what I was thinking! If I were to have Jack DLC anywhere it'd be there, being the girlfriend of the first human spectre who is also a good friend of Hacket's would serve as enough pull in my book to allow her to spend the big night before D-Day w/Shep. Don't you think? What else would she do? Force Rodriguez to drink more juice??

At the very least there should be a picture of Shep's repective Li next to his/her bed. Alas... nothing of the sort.