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[Slurms McKenzie]

@Ninjapino

Haha, no worries man!

Good Luck and Stay Safe

[Ninjapino]

spiros9110 wrote...

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Another piece by Duchell!


I prefer these ones because they're complimenting her tattoo's. Espeically the top two and bottom left. 

Wow, the only one of those I don't really like that much is the last one.  Also, I never understood the whole idea that she can't be soft and have a mohawk/shaved head.  One of the sweetest, most loving person I've ever known rocked a pink mohawk every now and then.  I know there is a stigma with "punks" and everything, but just like any stereotype, it's not really that true, just the most noticable.  FIGHT THE POWER!

[kumquats]

Ninjapino wrote...

Wow, the only one of those I don't really like that much is the last one.  Also, I never understood the whole idea that she can't be soft and have a mohawk/shaved head.  One of the sweetest, most loving person I've ever known rocked a pink mohawk every now and then.  I know there is a stigma with "punks" and everything, but just like any stereotype, it's not really that true, just the most noticable.  FIGHT THE POWER!

I can only agree with this.

[kreite]

The bottom left style mixed with the bottom middle style of the first set of hair concepts

[punchbag]

spiros9110 wrote...




Another piece by Duchell!


I prefer these ones because they're complimenting her tattoo's. Espeically the top two and bottom left. 

I like the two on the right the most. The others are good too. I think the bottom right might be too normal, but it looks good.

And I like Kreite's idea of combining the bottom left of this set with the bottom middle of the first set of hair concepts. So I guess that would kinda be the bottom middle of the first set with the tattoo shaved to be visible and maybe a little more spiky.

here's the first set too so people don't have to browse back a page:

spiros9110 wrote...

Modifié par punchbag, 25 juin 2011 - 08:21 .

[punchbag]

thesnake777 wrote...

@punchbag
Never had mohawk, just a shaved head...

and I know Bioware said that jack is going to be softer in Mass Effect 3 but do they mean she going to be softer like she is if people take the time to romance her or are they going to take it in a different direction.
what do you guys think?

I think (or I hope) that the way she changes can be very different for certain players. I think if she was romanced that that should soften her personality some with Shepard (but I don't want extreme changes). Having fought against the collectors and survived should probably also soften her up towards Shep and the crew (a little) regardless of if she was paragon'd or renegade'd. If either the renegade sex scene was used or if she was dumped (for another LI, or for no one) I think she should still be about the same for those players (minus the "F offs" because they defeated the reapers). Then again, I could see them softening her up a little just because she's no longer on the run (that situation must have contributed a great deal to her Bad Girl attitude).

[spirosz]

@Punch

I'm with you on that. It would be a great way to show her character development because the way you treat her in ME2 should have an effect on her during ME3. Especially if she's romanced.

[shadowreflexion]

punchbag wrote...

spiros9110 wrote...




Another piece by Duchell!


I prefer these ones because they're complimenting her tattoo's. Espeically the top two and bottom left. 

I like the two on the right the most. The others are good too. I think the bottom right might be too normal, but it looks good.

And I like Kreite's idea of combining the bottom left of this set with the bottom middle of the first set of hair concepts. So I guess that would kinda be the bottom middle of the first set with the tattoo shaved to be visible and maybe a little more spiky.

here's the first set too so people don't have to browse back a page:

spiros9110 wrote...

I have a strange attraction to the third one. I still don't believe that Jack would wear any style without some type of tweak to it in order for it to "belong" to her. So all I'm asking from BW is that they give her hairstyle (If it changes) more flair with some color or steaks added to it.

Modifié par shadowreflexion, 26 juin 2011 - 03:55 .

[punchbag]

I wouldn't mind seeing some color as well, particularly streaks as you say. I'd like to see her hair in it's natural color with a little unnatural color added in some way. (this way we can know if she's a red head or a brunette)

Modifié par punchbag, 26 juin 2011 - 09:16 .

[who would know]

Oh, what could have been. I wish animation in Mass Effect was always so expressive. Too expensive, no doubt.

[ReallyRue]

I saw those designs over in the other thread. I really like the idea of a mohawk, or the spiky styles.

And I really want it to be coloured. Every other character seems to dye their hair a natural colour or keep their own. But I can see Jack with something more vibrant.

[jtav]

I have a question: why do you side with Jack (if you do)? I want to side with her in my next playthrough, but I'm having trouble of thinking of a reason unless Shepard also hates Cerberus.

[littlezack]

Because I hate Miranda, and anything that makes her mad is good, in my eyes. 

[Saaziel]

jtav wrote...

I have a question: why do you side with Jack (if you do)? I want to side with her in my next playthrough, but I'm having trouble of thinking of a reason unless Shepard also hates Cerberus.

I sided with Jack , thinking Miranda ; the Self described professional operative , would understand that a small apology ,even if insincere , would go a long way in this situation (especially so considering what had happen ) . Killing either Jack or Miranda aside , the battle brewing could have ruptured the hull of the ship and killed everyone. The idea was to clear the tension fast and prevent escalation ;Siding with Miranda seemed more like temping fate at that point.

And then Miranda gave me the silent treatment. Oh bravo young lady , how old are you exactly? Freaking 4 years old or something?

{edit: I assum you are talking about the Loyalty confrontation.}

Modifié par Saaziel, 27 juin 2011 - 12:01 .

[Scy Lancer]

I like using Jack because he has some really good powers; Shock Wave, Warp Ammo. Also she's quite a realist. She has good lines and hell I like a bad ass, tattooed, psycho woman that can crush people with her mind. Handy to have around.

[punchbag]

I sided with Jack for the same reason littlezack did, but I spoke with Miranda after and repaired the damage. Somehow I had the right amount of paragon points to use that dialogue. Basically Shepard apologizes and says something about needing Jack on our side. I can't remember exactly what was said, but I think I disagreed with some of it a little (I pretend my Shep was just lying a little to manipulate Miranda into being loyal).

[demonic_cookie]

I always side with Jack because in this situation Miranda is being a complete and utter crap. No matter if it was a rogue Cerberus branch or not, Cerberus is an organization that enables and empowers people who take things too far: their ME1 arc, Project Overlord and Project Zero show that. That's just what Cerberus does. And given how incredibly, unfathomably wrong they were in what they did to Jack, there is absolutely NO excuse for Miranda getting defensive and then telling Jack she was a mistake. Seriously.

I would have understood it if Miranda went: "What they did was wrong but I won't apologize for something I had nothing to do with." That is the sort of stuck-up, higher-than-though bullcrap that Miranda is known for, but just dismissing Jack outright? It's simply unacceptable. It's unacceptable by human standards, and it is unacceptable by professional standards too.

Modifié par demonic_cookie, 27 juin 2011 - 12:33 .

[Time4Tiddy]

I'm confused. I never had to pick one or the other, there was a charm option that kept them both loyal. I did her loyalty mission pretty late, so maybe I had more charm points, but is it unusual to be able to talk your way out of siding with one or the other?

[jtav]

Time4Tiddy wrote...

I'm confused. I never had to pick one or the other, there was a charm option that kept them both loyal. I did her loyalty mission pretty late, so maybe I had more charm points, but is it unusual to be able to talk your way out of siding with one or the other?

I normally persuade or side with Miranda, but I want Miranda dead.

[Weiser_Cain]

I'm torn on Miranda, I often wonder if I should just cut her hair off and dress Jack in her jumpsuit after gluing the hair on her, Jack's probably woken up to worse and Miranda keeps insisting she's a professional so I think she could continue the mission.

[ThatDancingTurian]

jtav wrote...

I have a question: why do you side with Jack (if you do)? I want to side with her in my next playthrough, but I'm having trouble of thinking of a reason unless Shepard also hates Cerberus.

Well technically I play full Paragons most of the time so I pick the middle option. But when I don't have enough points I side with Jack for the simple reason that Jack is right. I like Miranda and all, but her responses and tone were inching painfully close to victim-blaming.

Jack's attitude in that scene was perfectly understandable. She wasn't reacting violently to Shepard as someone truly unstable would, she was only angry at Miranda for her attitude. And Jack just got back from going through something traumatic, you can hear it in everything she said about feeling like a scared little girl again. Miranda on the other hand had no emotional trauma making her act like she was acting, she was just being callous.

How many 'rogue cells' doing horrible things does it take before it starts being their fault? At the very least they're enablers for this kind of monstrous activity. But more likely, I think they fund this sort of research and then cut ties when things inevitably go bad. Miranda just can't see it because of her blind loyalty.

Miranda was wrong. And honestly, I don't think she dislikes Jack because of her attitude or because she's 'unstable', I think she dislikes her because deep down looking at Jack makes her feel bad and she doesn't like it, so she's fighting against that guilt with anger.

EDIT: Again, I do like Miranda. I just think this one scene was her absolute low point.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 27 juin 2011 - 01:52 .

[outmane]

@jtav

The way i see siding with Jack without 'hating' Miranda (i.e. making it jsut to spite her, which is just stupid) plays on if you do Jack's mission pretty late in the game. As her mission isnt about saving/killing anyone, its pretty easy to justify that (also helps if you dont try to romance her of course).

Late in the game, you will have had many convos with Miranda in which she defends her loyalty to Cerberus. You will also have been betrayed by TIM many times. Miranda will have even stated that she recognizes what happend to Jack is a mistake. Yet 

I also factor in there that i expect Miranda to be the better woman. Jack is ball of hurt and anger. Miri is my experienced XO.

So Shepard might believe that siding with Jack would be a hard line position to make Miranda 'snap out of it'. She needs to see TIM is using her as much as he's using Shep (Which Shep saw first hand a few times. He might be concerned Miranda fallowing blindly TIM will lead her to her death). 

Siding with Jack isnt a nice way to make her realize that but Shep might not have expected the loyalty issue coming out of that stance.

[fainmaca]

I side with Jack because of five simple words: 'Clearly you were a mistake.'

The first time I heard that, I lost a lot of respect for Miranda. She was using a weak 'it wasn't Cerberus, not really' to defend herself. That just seemed... petty, to me. She could have said something like 'I'm not going to apologise for something I had nothing to do with', or even tried to calm the situation by admitting that what happened to Jack was wrong, even if she wouldn't allow herself or Cerberus to accept responsibility for it.

In the end, Jack was being the more reasonable of the pair. She just wanted someone to admit that she was wronged. Miranda, meanwhile, just did the equivalent of clapping her hands over her ears and going 'lalalalala I can't hear you trash-talking Cerberus'.

I do mostly pick the middle path because I feel that having to reclaim Miri's loyalty by saying I lied to Jack makes me romancing her feel... insincere. And Miranda did somewhat redeem herself by telling TIM to STFU on the Collector Base, so she gets to stay on board, but she hasn't redeemed herself enough for me to romance her on any of my playthroughs.

[Goat_Shepard]

Good points all around, outmane in particular, and I'm quite in tune with Ravenstar and demonic_cookie's reasonings. I found it hilariously OOC that the intelligent, professional doctor-Lieutenant will say "I'll never be loyal to you again!" because you told her to "leave Jack alone". The reasoning behind Shepard saying these words makes me think Jack was the victim (again) in the confrontation. The whole situation is made worse when you romance Miranda to the point where she says she loves you, and then one little thing like "leave Jack alone" and this "love" is meaningless, even if you win back her loyalty. I know it's a game mechanic, but how many LI say they love you? 

I can easily charm or intimidate the confrontation outright, but listening to Jack make empty threats was hardly a resolution to the situation (it's more like postponing the inevitable), and I found more character insight with the other option. The unloyal Loyalist who really can't gauge people's motives from brief encounters like she says, who believes the mission comes first before personal feelings but really lets her personal feelings interfere, who says Jack is a child but behaves childish herself, who says Jack can't be trusted, but can't be trusted herself (as an XO, a leader!).  Part of my decision is because of my respect for Jack remaining in character no matter what option you choose, the other is what outmane said about snapping Miranda out of her stupor of bias, but I blame the writers for making me deal with a new Miranda every other mission, it's very...unstable?

YYYEEAAAAAHHHH!!

fainmaca wrote...
I do mostly pick the middle path because I feel that having to reclaim Miri's loyalty by saying I lied to Jack makes me romancing her feel... insincere.

Go renegade:

"I thought you were stronger than that, Miranda, and smarter. I expect that attitude from Jack, not you".
"She's a child, why would you side with her?"
"We need her on board if we want this mission to succeed, and I need you to be ok with that."
"Okay, you're right, you said what Jack needed to here."
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Yeah, I said what needed to be said, but whatever helps you sleep at night

And Miranda did somewhat redeem herself by telling TIM to STFU on the Collector Base, so she gets to stay on board, but she hasn't redeemed herself enough for me to romance her on any of my playthroughs.

Not much optimism for those who didn't take her to the H.Reaper, and besides, that's the only time she takes a stance against Cerberus, even after Teltin and Overlord and all the betrayals.

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 27 juin 2011 - 01:07 .

[Epantiras]

Somehow I imagine the Jack VS Miranda "disagreement" ending with Shepard eating pop-corn from a bucket and saying "go ahead".