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[punchbag]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

punchbag wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

punchbag wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

"If it's done well" kinda goes without saying doesn't it?
It's because I hate the LI's that have been offered so far (sorry Jacob) and was annoyed to get shut down by Jack of all people.

May I ask why you end this statement with "Of all people?"

I'd like to ask that as well. Why do you end with "of all people"? Did you think she'd go for just anyone?
She doesn't "swoon" over Shepard like most npc's do, so I think she'd be the least likely to not reject him.
Did you take her up on the option to have sex right away? Because if so, it should have been very obvious that it was a test just from her tone of voice... at least I thought so (and the fact that it's a renegade option should have been a good hint as well). How is a relationship that is "just about sex" supposed to last anyway? She clearly said "if this is just about sex, why don't you fvcking say so?" "Just about sex" is a no-brainer to me.

Only half the NPC's "swoon" over shep.
You've made several assumptions there, I never said it was just about sex, why are we even talking about that?
Jack's arguably the most impulsive person on the ship(well she didn't try to kill me when we first met but you know), to draw a hard line at that, is not what you'd expect.
Like she's got one rule!

You do realize the last half of my post was based on whether or not you had renegade sex with her, right? You didn't even answer the question.
I never said that you said it was just about sex. All I'm saying is Jack explicitly asks if your interest in her is just about sex. If you have renegade sex with her then it is, and she rejects you after.
Why don't you answer the question so we know what you're confused about with her? Did your Shep have renegade sex?

Edti: Oh, I see, you meant with a female Shepard. Well then you never would have heard the dialogue I was referring to. That's more understandable then. I can see it being confusing being shot down as a fem shep going for a paragon romance with her. I'm just sick of all the male shep players who get pissed when she turns them down after they take advantage of her.

I wouldn't even call it taking advantage of her, but it does let her put you in a little box along with all the other people out for themselves. I think she tells you to ****-off after that, probably mad at you for dredging up all the emotions she's walled off.

And for the record, the worse thing I did to Jack was dump her to go after Tali because I only found out she was a possible LI half-way through the game (and had a burning desire to see her face at the end, joke was on me, eh?), I tried to be nice about it, thought she's take it better than that, but apparently you have to want to sleep with someone in order to help them in the Mass Effect universe.
Even my renegade Shepard, chose the paragon path when it came to Jack, Though I do plan to do a jerk run, just to see what happens in ME3.

Yeah it would be nice to see what Tali looks like (I think it will upset many Talimancers though). And I think many of us would like to be able to have a BFF route with Jack, particularly since there's no femshep romance. But Jack seems to have had bad experiences with people trying to "help" her, so I can see why she doesn't want a relationship unless it's romantic. She has a hard time trusting anyone as a result of her past, so it makes sense for her to be stand-off-ish of most relationships. Still, I would like for there to be a "just good friends" path in ME3 for all the LI's (as long as it's done well of course).

[punchbag]

Epantiras wrote...

Speaking of Courtenay Taylor's Twitter... this made me so happy twitter.com/#!/courtenaytaylor/status/84856632839909376

@MassEffect2Game Seriously, Jackolytes are the best. What smart, interesting, forward-thinking fans Bioware has...I'm AMAZED. #masseffect2

I almost want to create a twitter account to follow her now. I'm kinda on the fence about it. She is awesome.

[Epantiras]

Ok, this is my take on Jack's "redesign"...

[CroGamer002]

^I have a challenge for you.

Draw Jack with that and kicking my Shepard in groins and saying: "That's for dumping me.".

[punchbag]

@Epantiras
Nice

[GOALISTAIR]

@ Epantiras

F****** Awesome! I am loving the hair! ;p

[SlottsMachine]

Fantastic, thanks for that Epantiras.

And the haters did want her to wear a shirt, be careful what you ask for I guess. "I am not stupid, her shirt is all lies, lies I tell you".

[Greenlock]

well i am one of the ppl that rly got bugged by squadmates not wearing battle armor... no problem with the req mission youve just met them but once you get them on the normandy you shud get them some gear for cryst sake... that why i drew this

[Goat_Shepard]

Light Survivor armor? I see what you did there. I like.

According to Christina Norman, since shields are the dominant defense in ME, you can practically run around in latex or your birthday suit and you won't be less protected than Shepard! Also, heels are okay for combat, because this isn't a realistic footwear simulation game!

Having said that, since Ashley is in a cat suit and heels and she's a pure soldier, then Jack wearing armor of any kind would just be silly. Casey did say Ashley will be able to wear armor and also that there were improvements in that respect all around, so there is hope. I can't imagine what she'd sport, so i'm gonna go with Survivor armor for now. Something artistic that's similar in material to Samara's justicar get-up would be pretty sweet.

@Epantiras
Epic piece

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 29 juin 2011 - 11:02 .

[fainmaca]

We've all seen the gun upgrade screen that'll be part of that mechanic in 3, maybe we'll have something similar with the armour. I'd like to have the chance to swap out the individual components for your squad as well as yourself, tweaking things to get the optimum build, like we could in Shep's cabin.

But aside from that, I want Jack to get her BFG!

[Goat_Shepard]

yorkj86 wrote...

Considering how fast projectiles from mass effect weapons, specifically guns, are traveling, no material should protect the wearer. Kinetic barriers and biotic barriers are the only protection against mass effect weapons. So, armor really is unimportant. Then again, this all adheres to lore, which Bioware doesn't always do, when they would get in the way of gameplay mechanics.

Armor reduces the damage those projectiles do, and bullets are not your only enemy in the universe. What about slow-moving projectiles, fire, knives, krogan charges, and hostile weather? How about holding extra ammo and medigel? If armor were so unimportant, nobody would wear it cuz it would only slow you down.

@fainmaca
That would be nice, but I think they'll at most give each squaddie a combat suit and a casual outfit + personal and overall upgrades like from Mordin's lab.

And BFG?

[fainmaca]

BFG- Big F***ing Gun

EDIT: Also, with regards to the armour thing, they did kinda have a proto-version of that in ME1 with the multiple types of armour for different species. Yeah it was clunky, but they could combine it with ME2's kind of system to make a hybrid that has the versatility many desire but the simplicity today's average shooter gamer demands.

Modifié par fainmaca, 30 juin 2011 - 12:13 .

[SlottsMachine]

What about the concept of armor protecting against ricochets and/or shrapnel?

[Greenlock]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Considering how fast projectiles from mass effect weapons, specifically guns, are traveling, no material should protect the wearer. Kinetic barriers and biotic barriers are the only protection against mass effect weapons. So, armor really is unimportant. Then again, this all adheres to lore, which Bioware doesn't always do, when they would get in the way of gameplay mechanics.

Armor reduces the damage those projectiles do, and bullets are not your only enemy in the universe. What about slow-moving projectiles, fire, knives, krogan charges, and hostile weather? How about holding extra ammo and medigel? If armor were so unimportant, nobody would wear it cuz it would only slow you down.

@fainmaca
That would be nice, but I think they'll at most give each squaddie a combat suit and a casual outfit + personal and overall upgrades like from Mordin's lab.

And BFG?

what he said and i bet youd all love Jacks fit ass in one of those slick light armors i know you would  eheheheheheheheheheh...(i know im a perv no need to quote me and tell me... i know )

[Goat_Shepard]

yorkj86 wrote...
No, being struck by a projectile from a mass effect weapon would blow you off of your feet, and snap your spine in many places.  They'd find your body several miles away.  Or, they'd strike you, turn you in to a fine red mist, or a red jelly, and pass through you.  Or, they'd strike you, and the force would turn you inside out, and then lift you off of your feet.  These projectiles are traveling far faster than any projectile fired from a gunpowder weapon.

Very astute, thank you. So what Mrs. Norman should have said was "Shields are the dominant defense provided you never encounter close-quarters combat, fire, falling debris, a krogan, etc, etc, and only encounter thugs wielding mass effect weapons".

You really do need kinetic barriers and biotic barriers. 

I know, and she's right that shields are the dominant defense (against mass effect weapons), but she was trying to excuse the oversexualized direction of character (re)designs like Ashley's as something that actually makes sense, when it does not.

Maybe vehicles could get away with an armor that would protect against mass effect weapons, like the Silaris armor.

How about a micro-sized Silaris suit to fit Jack? We could shoot her out of a circus canon straight at Harbinger

@Slotts

What about the concept of a FENRIS mech taking out your shields and robotically laughing as you sit there helpless with no shields or armor!

@fainmaca

Hah, I see. She already has a BFG, it's called the GPS. Also, maybe we can throw a Mattock at her and see how she does. I think Casey said that all squaddies have helmets but I may need to double check, I'm hoping it implies there's more than just one or two more customization options for your squad, but they seem adamant about the redesigns so I suspect a lot of limitation.

@Greenlock

lol hell yeah Jack is fit. She slammed Shepard's 300 pound frame into the wall like he was that turian on Purgatory who said "Stop!", only without biotics!

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 30 juin 2011 - 01:28 .

[PointlessMatters]

I think Casey said that all squaddies have helmets but I may need to double check,

@Goat_Shepard I hope you're right. I often just wandered around in ME1 with Garrus and Wrex. It was funny making the three of us wear our helmets at Noveria, we looked so badass.
--
On the Jack topic. I think my favourite character had to have been Jack, mainly because it was actually helping the immersive part of ME2 that over the course of the game I was turning Jack from ****y super-biotic, to someone who actually had a relationship with my Shepard. I liked how in her loyalty mission she started out sure that the facility had always had her the worst off, and then by the end of it she's realising "actually, the others had it just as bad as me sometimes." Her reaction when she's told that the other kids died to keep her alive...
I had to make her spare that guy.

^ My info may be slightly off, I haven't played in a while, have just restarted about 10 minutes ago in preparation for ME3.

I do hope Jack at least makes an appearance in ME3. I don't see why you couldn't have all your surviving team-mates join you in ME3 anyway, seeing as they know as well as you do that wasn't the last of the reaper threat in ME2...

Modifié par PointlessMatters, 30 juin 2011 - 02:02 .

[Ninjapino]

Epantiras wrote...

Ok, this is my take on Jack's "redesign"...

This = Greatness

More please!

[AuggyDoggysan]

Epantiras wrote...

Ok, this is my take on Jack's "redesign"...

That's a great picture.

[spirosz]

Yeah, I actually haven't been thinking about how they're going to introduce her into ME3. Let alone, players new to the series, I wonder what her reaction is going to be if someone starts off a new game from ME3. I've mostly just been thinking about her just being there, you know?

I can see them doing something before the trail and on the Normandy, but otherwise depending on how the story folds out, I don't know.

[SlottsMachine]

 @York

I don't know, but Jack does say a lot of things that she doesn't follow through on. I thought her loyalty mission was about her giving up on murdering her demons, and trying to figure out a different way of dealing with them. 

@Goat

Huh. I was agreeing with you, in that soldiers still needed combat armor to protect against debris, shrapnel and such.

[Zall]

Epantiras wrote...

Ok, this is my take on Jack's "redesign"...

Her troll face made me for one moment wish she would appear during the trial on earth. Highly unlikely, but she's the perfect person start a diplomatical ****storm. "Shepard promised he'd go pirate, but only after he saved the galaxy."