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[imp187]

What i read, even tali is not as "in depth" as it could be... (even though i have no experience in romancing her in me3)....
The only one who is really "good" (okay, opions are not debatable  ) seems to be liara...

Edit: okay, this is for the female LI´s, cause i´m not interested in the male LI´s

Modifié par imp187, 03 avril 2012 - 07:57 .

[10K]

I think Liara romance was better than both male and female romances. It seems she's Bioware favorite.

[Aver88]

There are 6 levels of quality of relationship in ME3:

From best to worst
1) Liara
2) Still Liara
3) VS, Garrus, Tali
4) Cortez, Traynor, Allers
5) Jack, Miranda
6) Thane, Jacob, Samara, Chambers

[imp187]

and now bioware, just take every relationship to the Liara-Level, and there are many many more happy customers that will pay for more dlc´s (at least, count me in)... ;-)

[KingNothing125]

WRXtacy wrote...

I'm confused why is Ashley in the mad glad sad thread did she not get a good romance? (I'm asking legitimately because I did not romance her. She annoyed me to much)

Ashley (and Kaidan too I guess) has far more content than "The Forgotten ME2 Four" (Jack, Miranda, Jacob, Thane), but the grievance comes from the fact that once she gets back on the Normandy after the attempted Cerberus coup, her interaction, apart from the hangover scene, is limited to Zaeed-style snippets of conversation. Not only that, but she hangs out on the observation deck for the entire rest of the game. She never stops by to talk to Garrus or Liara, or Joker. Kaidan at least plays poker with Vega in the lounge and spends some time in the crew quarters. Ashley literally never leaves the observation deck.

My first, "canon" (at the time, before I grew attached to Jack) Shep got with and stayed with Ashley. I feel like everything Ashley from Mars up to the Cerberus coup was excellent. The meet-ups on the Citadel were great, and the love scene and the goodbye in London were excellent. On the Normandy, though, she was basically invisible, which sucked.

[KingNothing125]

Aver88 wrote...

There are 6 levels of quality of relationship in ME3:

From best to worst
1) Liara
2) Still Liara
3) VS, Garrus, Tali
4) Cortez, Traynor, Allers
5) Jack, Miranda
6) Thane, Jacob, Samara, Chambers

I would categorize them this way:

Liara
Garrus
Tali, VS
Traynor, Cortez
Miranda
Jack, Allers
Thane, Kelly
Jacob
Samara

I put Samara at the end because, well, the Samara relationship doesn't exist.

[istle]

Aver88 wrote...

There are 6 levels of quality of relationship in ME3:

From best to worst
1) Liara
2) Still Liara
3) VS, Garrus, Tali
4) Cortez, Traynor, Allers
5) Jack, Miranda
6) Thane, Jacob, Samara, Chambers

That seems about accurate actually. Seriously BioWare...
Allers is even above Jack, the Sh!tiest character in the whole game 

Modifié par istle, 03 avril 2012 - 08:34 .

[imp187]

I really hope, that the "from ashes" dlc is a little hint at how complex and "big" their dlc´s will become... and if they put this much efford into some (or at best all) of the me2 LI´s, it would be nearly perfect...
The Javik content was/is great and i think without it, there would be something big missing in me3 for me... (although there IS something big missing...more Jack) ;-)

[istle]

imp187 wrote...

I really hope, that the "from ashes" dlc is a little hint at how complex and "big" their dlc´s will become... and if they put this much efford into some (or at best all) of the me2 LI´s, it would be nearly perfect...
The Javik content was/is great and i think without it, there would be something big missing in me3 for me... (although there IS something big missing...more Jack) ;-)

If they did that then ME3 would undoubtedly be superior to ME2. But as it stands right now... I would have to say ME2 stands above ME3. Such a wasted opportunity. Another year in dev-time and ME3 would have been perfect(with Jack as a Squadmate like she was supposed to be from the beginning).

[gearseffect]

Firmijn wrote...

gearseffect wrote...

WRXtacy wrote...

Come on every one send your letter in! It doesn't need to be long, jack has 8 letters in, I KNOW there is more than 8 people that love this thread and post in it!

Where the heck is the rest of the  Jackolyte society?

Gearseffect the king of crazy of the Jackolyte society reporting in that work on his letter is underway. If you like Jack and don't send in your letter Jack will smear the walls with you.

II thought I'd share my favorite unique ME2 squade dialogue from Purgatory
When Jack's being unforze
Grunt: "That's Jack? Jack's tiny"
Once Jack breaks out and your going after her
Grunt "Look at all this destruction I LIKE Jack"

Something along those lines anyway.

Now if you like Jack and don't send your letter in Jack will crash a ship into a moon you really like.
Hey I wonder what Javik would think of Jack doing that?

Grunt also says something along the lines of "Hurry Shepard! I wanna see this!"
God I forgot about that line. Grunt's dialogue was great at Purgatory

[10K]

istle wrote...

Allers is even above Jack, the Sh!tiest character in the whole game 

I Agree 100% she looked like a chickmonk seriously.

[imp187]

istle wrote...

imp187 wrote...

If they did that then ME3 would undoubtedly be superior to ME2. But as it stands right now... I would have to say ME2 stands above ME3. Such a wasted opportunity. Another year in dev-time and ME3 would have been perfect(with Jack as a Squadmate like she was supposed to be from the beginning).

I have to say,  that there are a few things to fix of course... but for me, the overall "feeling" of me3 is superior to 1 or 2... even though, the li´s are my biggest "complain" (even before the ending)...
in my little world, if there would be more Jack, it would rank clearly on top position... but you are right, the missing connection to most of the companions is a "not so small" downer...

[istle]

imp187 wrote...

istle wrote...

If they did that then ME3 would undoubtedly be superior to ME2. But as it stands right now... I would have to say ME2 stands above ME3. Such a wasted opportunity. Another year in dev-time and ME3 would have been perfect(with Jack as a Squadmate like she was supposed to be from the beginning).

I have to say, that there are a few things to fix of course... but for me, the overall "feeling" of me3 is superior to 1 or 2... even though, the li´s are my biggest "complain" (even before the ending)...
in my little world, if there would be more Jack, it would rank clearly on top position... but you are right, the missing connection to most of the companions is a "not so small" downer...

ME3 made every ME2-Squadmate a cameo appearance except for Mordin and Legion.
BioWare made a ign-cameo in the form of Allers..........
Finding out that BioWare probably screwed over Jack as a Squadmate in favor of Tali because of popularity.
The romance is ridiculously uneven for LI's.
The ending, obviously, as it stands right now.

These faults prevented ME3 to preceed the greatness that is ME2.

ME3 has many great moments and the GamePlay is even better than before, but the design choices above are just mindboggling...

Just wanted to clarify why I see ME2 as superior. Would one more year of dev-time correct these faults(except for Allers)? Yes. That I believe.

Modifié par istle, 03 avril 2012 - 09:15 .

[imp187]

istle wrote...

imp187 wrote...

istle wrote...

ME3 made every ME2-Squadmate a cameo appearance except for Mordin and Legion.
BioWare made a ign-cameo in the form of Allers..........
Finding out that BioWare probably screwed over Jack as a Squadmate in favor of Tali because of popularity.
The romance is ridiculously uneven for LI's.
The ending, obviously, as it stands right now.

These faults prevented ME3 to preceed the greatness that is ME2.

ME3 has many great moments and the GamePlay is even better than before, but the design choices above are just mindboggling...

Just wanted to clarify why I see ME2 as superior. Would one more year of dev-time correct these faults? Yes. That I believe.

We are not so far off about these things...

for me:
(element): (favorite)
story: me3
ending: me2
gameplay: me3
companions: me2

so i´m a little torn....but i´m with you...maybe just 3-6 months more and it could be nearly perfect... okay, to be honest, there will ever be some things to make better or criticise... but the biggest things (end and companions) could be so much better...

But about neglecting Jack as squadmate for Tali... This is something i am sad... If they want Tali so bad, why not both of them... ?
In my opinion, starting with me1, there should just be every companion from the previous game +x in the next part... maybe if someone died, there could be a "compensation" companion....
But why develop them, give them such a nice back story/character and then just "throw them away" ? (this is a general thing, even though the lack of Jack is the biggest downer for me)

[istle]

imp187 wrote...

We are not so far off about these things...

for me:
(element): (favorite)
story: me3
ending: me2
gameplay: me3
companions: me2

so i´m a little torn....but i´m with you...maybe just 3-6 months more and it could be nearly perfect... okay, to be honest, there will ever be some things to make better or criticise... but the biggest things (end and companions) could be so much better...

But about neglecting Jack as squadmate for Tali... This is something i am sad... If they want Tali so bad, why not both of them... ?
In my opinion, starting with me1, there should just be every companion from the previous game +x in the next part... maybe if someone died, there could be a "compensation" companion....
But why develop them, give them such a nice back story/character and then just "throw them away" ? (this is a general thing, even though the lack of Jack is the biggest downer for me)

Casey Hudson (Lead Project) said something about shortening the Squadmate roster to focus more on other aspecs of ME3, like projecting the drama of war. But it's just PR bs for not enough budget or development time as far as EA was concerned.

[imp187]

Yeah, i read this statement... But like you said, just an pr- "excuse"... cause i could see to have a smaller squad, but then the members have ALL to be so much deeper then most of em are...
And again, the right thing would be to maybe add a companion... but not throw them away...
Even if there is a background story to it (like thane), they developed them because they wanted them to be loved... and of course every companion is loved by more or less people... so why have a calculated and foreseen let-down to this people? I really think this was one of the bad design decisions from the get go... Even if you write some companions out of the regular squad (and i think they would always find a solution why they are in it), at really least they should have an impactfull meaning to the story and enough screentime (like a regular squadmate)...

hope, that my thoughts are not as strange and you all get what i mean ;-)
(after all, my english skills are not that good)

Modifié par imp187, 03 avril 2012 - 09:46 .

[Padt]

Visii wrote...

Just a reminder everyone. If ya want to make your voice heard about how you think Jack’s romance went in ME3 (I wonder if spamming MOAR MOAR MOAR counts as a letter...) PM me or post here!

http://social.biowar...ndex/10853184/4

I actually have 10 letters from Jack fans right now, out of a total of 42 letters, great job! That's the second-most letters for any LI so far, with Miranda not so far behind. But I know there's a few people on this thread who haven't sent me a letter yet. What are you waiting for?

If you need help or ideas coming up with the letter, just remember, passionate, but polite! What did you like, what didn't you like? Were your expectations met regarding how you last saw Jack in ME2? How well do you think Jack was portrayed in ME3? What do you wish was done differently?

Deadline for letters is Thursday 9 PM (EST). Gotta PM it to me or post on the above thread by then so I can be sure it gets printed out!!

I haven't sent a letter or anything, but I'm just curious: do you have a limit in terms of how lengthy or wordy it can be?

KingNothing125 wrote...

WRXtacy wrote...

I'm confused why is Ashley in the mad glad sad thread did she not get a good romance? (I'm asking legitimately because I did not romance her. She annoyed me to much)

Ashley (and Kaidan too I guess) has far more content than "The Forgotten ME2 Four" (Jack, Miranda, Jacob, Thane), but the grievance comes from the fact that once she gets back on the Normandy after the attempted Cerberus coup, her interaction, apart from the hangover scene, is limited to Zaeed-style snippets of conversation. Not only that, but she hangs out on the observation deck for the entire rest of the game. She never stops by to talk to Garrus or Liara, or Joker. Kaidan at least plays poker with Vega in the lounge and spends some time in the crew quarters. Ashley literally never leaves the observation deck.

My first, "canon" (at the time, before I grew attached to Jack) Shep got with and stayed with Ashley. I feel like everything Ashley from Mars up to the Cerberus coup was excellent. The meet-ups on the Citadel were great, and the love scene and the goodbye in London were excellent. On the Normandy, though, she was basically invisible, which sucked.

 
Yeah, I'd say that's about right. From what I can tell, Kaidan's romance is actually a little bit meatier than Ash's. Some of the Zaeed-style conversation prompts actually acknowledge the romance, for example (near as I can tell, none of Ash's do), and you can have more than one dialogue wheel conversation with him on the ship. And, as has been said, he also interacts with the other squadmates.

For all that she was one of the original love interests, Ash's ME3 romance is actually very meager. I think part of the reason is that her romance becomes cemented very, very late in the game (it's after you finish Priority: Rannoch, which only leaves the missions on Thessia, Sanctuary and Cerberus HQ left). I'm pretty certain she's the love interest whose lock-in point comes the latest in the game (apropos of nothing, I'm also pretty certain that Jack's is the one that comes the earliest). You also don't get to have any romantic conversations with her aside from the one where you lock things in with her, and the one conversation you do get to have with her on the Normandy comes before that. It's a shame, because as you say, the stuff on Mars, in the hospital, on the Citadel and on Earth is pretty good.

The way I'd rank the full-fledged romances in the game, in order:

1) Liara, Kaidan, Ashley
2) Garrus, Samantha, Steve, Tali
3) Miranda, Jack, Kelly
4) Thane, Jacob

[gearseffect]

istle wrote...

imp187 wrote...

istle wrote...

If they did that then ME3 would undoubtedly be superior to ME2. But as it stands right now... I would have to say ME2 stands above ME3. Such a wasted opportunity. Another year in dev-time and ME3 would have been perfect(with Jack as a Squadmate like she was supposed to be from the beginning).

I have to say, that there are a few things to fix of course... but for me, the overall "feeling" of me3 is superior to 1 or 2... even though, the li´s are my biggest "complain" (even before the ending)...
in my little world, if there would be more Jack, it would rank clearly on top position... but you are right, the missing connection to most of the companions is a "not so small" downer...

ME3 made every ME2-Squadmate a cameo appearance except for Mordin and Legion.
BioWare made a ign-cameo in the form of Allers..........
Finding out that BioWare probably screwed over Jack as a Squadmate in favor of Tali because of popularity.
The romance is ridiculously uneven for LI's.
The ending, obviously, as it stands right now.

These faults prevented ME3 to preceed the greatness that is ME2.

ME3 has many great moments and the GamePlay is even better than before, but the design choices above are just mindboggling...

Just wanted to clarify why I see ME2 as superior. Would one more year of dev-time correct these faults(except for Allers)? Yes. That I believe.

Agreed, ME2's cast was the best, and it's characters had so much depth and uniqueness to them. Javik was a great ME3 audition. His DLC I think should have been in the game from the begining and likely was EA just cut it.

All the ME2 cast had been reduced to little more than cameo's except Mordin, Miranda, and Legion, Everyone else was a half@ssed cameo, as if the throw it in our face that "look they're in there we didn't lie"
Ashley was w downer as I've said before.
And Liara, now I hate her, It's blantently clear that she's a favorite of BWs.
All the LI's need to be brought up to Liara's level, excluding Allers (She's stupid and the worst character in ME), and Vega needs to be made a LI for Femshep.

I was p!ssed that Jack never got to be a fulltime squadmate, she's one of the best characters out there, of all the ME2 LI's got **** on, in order from worst to least sh!t in ME3, Jacob T., Thane, Samara, Kelly, Jack, and than Miranda got the best treatment, which Miranda got even better treatment in ME3 than Ashley got. Sure Miranda didn't have a sex scene but the amount of effort put into Miranda far outweighed what was put into Ashley and even Vega.

I may be biased though my favorite LI's are Samara, Jack, and Ashley, and Kelly is hanging there at the tail end.

[gearseffect]

Padt wrote...
The way I'd rank the full-fledged romances in the game, in order:

1) Liara, Kaidan, Ashley
2) Garrus, Samantha, Steve, Tali
3) Miranda, Jack, Kelly
4) Thane, Jacob

Add Samara in with Thane and Jacob, not sure if Jacot has any mention of being romanced by Femshep, but for Samara the attempted romance never gets adressed and all ya get is a half @ssed lame line that don't really feel exclusive to it and could be aplied to any Samara.

I'd put it in this order
1.Liara
2.Kaidan, Garrus, Samantha Steve, Tali, Miranda
3.Ashley, Jack, Kelly
4.Thane Jacob, and Samara.

Allers is a nobody she shouldn't have even been made an option.

[WRXtacy]

My my, how I loved Liara in ME1 back in 2007. Way more than Ashley. Than Me2 and jack came along

[GothamLord]

Kaidan got a little more meat compared to Ashley I believe because they allowed for the same-sex relationship this time around with him that was cut from the first game. So you have to go through the whole romance dialogue. Ashley I believe you had to have romanced in the first game to even have a chance correct? You cant start the relationship in ME3 hence why it probably seems less meaty. Might as well put Morinth in the list as well if you want to include Samara. Put more Morinth at a 5.

[Padt]

I'm a PS3 person, so ME2 remains my first foray into the Mass Effect series. Jack was my first love interest, and I remember I was drawn to her from the moment I recruited her.

All that said, I have also become very familiarized with several aspects of ME1, including the characters, romances and dynamics and such (I haven't actually played the game, mind you, and as things stand right now, I figure I'm unlikely to ever do so), and it was during the course of that familiarization process that Ashley shot up to the spot of second favorite love interest, behind Jack (I'm drawn to super hardass women, I guess). I'm glad I got to have at least one of them back as a squadmate, even if neither of them had as meaty a romance as some of their fellow love interests from ME1 and ME2.

Could've been much worse, really. At least neither of them cheated on Shepard. Or died.

[Padt]

GothamLord wrote...

Kaidan got a little more meat compared to Ashley I believe because they allowed for the same-sex relationship this time around with him that was cut from the first game. So you have to go through the whole romance dialogue. Ashley I believe you had to have romanced in the first game to even have a chance correct? You cant start the relationship in ME3 hence why it probably seems less meaty. Might as well put Morinth in the list as well if you want to include Samara. Put more Morinth at a 5.

Actually, you can start a romance with Ash in ME3, even if you didn't have one in ME1. It's curious, in a way. There are five love interests in the game ("love interests" here being defined as characters that you can *start* a romance with, not just continue one from a previous game) and 3/5 of them are the exact same love interests from a previous game.

[zombitologist]

I'm not sure why you guys are coming down so hard on Jack's role in the game. I agree she should have gotten more screen time but, I like that it is more distinct and somewhat tragic that her and Shepard are separated due to their respective "families". She's got to take care of her kids and Shepard has to lead the war. I understand the disappointment that Bioware favored the more popular ME1 cast, but at least they gave her a decent reason for being away.

[Udalango]

SwimDevil wrote...

I'm not sure why you guys are coming down so hard on Jack's role in the game. I agree she should have gotten more screen time but, I like that it is more distinct and somewhat tragic that her and Shepard are separated due to their respective "families". She's got to take care of her kids and Shepard has to lead the war. I understand the disappointment that Bioware favored the more popular ME1 cast, but at least they gave her a decent reason for being away.

It is not a decent reason.  In a vacuum maybe.  But Garrus and Tali have huge reasons to be away.  But they are there with Shep.  If they can be there then Jack can ditch the students.