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[kumquats]

@Epantiras, this is so full of win.

@Zall, now I want to introduce Jack to Udina. ^^

[punchbag]

 As far as this whole combat armor discussion thing goes:

I like the idea of having the option to use armor with all squaddies. But I agree with anyone saying it isn't always necessary because of biotic and kinetic barriers.

Jack is supposed to be arguably the most powerful biotic in the universe, so I'm sure she can stop bullets, shrapnel, and rain with her mind. I mean, look at what happened in the suicide mission when you needed a biotic barrier to keep you and your squad alive. The barrier was the only thing protecting you at that point, and it worked. So I don't see many ways to argue that jack needs armor (that doesn't mean I wouldn't approve of having it as an option though). Even from things like a Krogan death charge, I think she'd be better off with limited clothing to give her more agility to jump out of the way.

Ashley on the other hand, she's a soldier, so unless she gets biotic implants I think she needs the armor. Well, unless there are big leaps forward in shield tech in the mass effect universe. Or maybe if they learn to make catsuits as protective as ME2 battle armor. It's just a video game though, and they tend to do many things that are unrealistic, even within the bounds of Mass Effect's "reality".

[SlottsMachine]

Well said.

[jackncoke28]

Can barely hear the screams and gunfire, all seems muffled, like being under water. Just laying here floating on concrete. I see her, her anger, confused anger, beautiful anger, its how I feel. At this moment she is what I wish I could be, could've been. I want to say something, yell, but she's gone as soon as she arrived,a force of nature, killing indiscriminately. Could it have been any other way? The torture, the blood spilled all over this place, it ended up getting a taste for it. Jack had no choice but to feed it, that or get eatin by it. It was inevitable.
Those eyes stay with him, beatiful and angry. His breath fades, the weight of Pragia slowly lifts, and he smiles.
This drunken inspiration is my submision for officiall jackolyte membersip. Am i in?

[Batlass8]

@Epantiras: Great, now ME3 is going to be completely ruined for me unless Jack has an "I'm with Stupid" t-shirt that she only wears around Shepard. (And maybe Miranda. Oh! And Samara. I can really see Samara using all her zen powers to keep from rolling her eyes as Jack just follows her around, waiting for her to go into the mess so she can sit next to her and snicker to herself).

As for Jack wearing armor.... I don't know. I'd never really considered it. Even though we've known about her redesign for a while, I haven't really thought about what that would actually be like. I can't say I've ever pictured her in armor. More than anything, I think Jack's version of armor would be more like what someone would wear for protection while riding a motorcycle: long sleeves/pants made of heavy, heavy material. Not so stiff that she couldn't run around, but enough that if she was stabbed, the knife would probably get caught on her clothes.

[GOALISTAIR]

@ Jackncoke28

Welcome aboard !

[punchbag]

@j jackncoke28

Yes, of course!
Click the link in my signature to join our official group and no one will be able to question your loyalty.

[jackncoke28]

@ GOALISTAIR
Thanks for the welcome

@ punchbag
I have done my due diligence and joined

[Goat_Shepard]

spiros9110 wrote...

Yeah, I actually haven't been thinking about how they're going to introduce her into ME3. Let alone, players new to the series, I wonder what her reaction is going to be if someone starts off a new game from ME3. I've mostly just been thinking about her just being there, you know?

There will be a comic like Genesis that should give anecdotes for Jack and everyone else you traveled with, so they can write all the characters as if they know you, because they should. It'll still be weird for new players but, seriously, what do you expect?

And Idk how we're going to meet up, if we meet up. Jack on a pirate ship would be funny, breaking her out of prison or a temporary holding cell would be fathomable. It's still hard for me to imagine there being specific missions to pick people up like in ME2, could it be as simple as them "reporting for duty"? Mordin showed up out of nowhere to surprise Shepard, so that could be the case for a lot of characters, whether they're "full" squaddies or not. Seems like an easy game mechanic if it makes sense why they're there.

Also, I agree with Batlass about the type of armor Jack would wear. After york's explanation I think Jack would prefer to avoid a krogan charge rather than resist it. I still don't know if everyone will have an armor set, though, the way Watts talked it seemed like Jack is still pretty casual (if term is worthy).

@jackncoke

That was the deepest contribution I've ever heard from an intoxicated person. Kudos. And welcome.

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 01 juillet 2011 - 02:54 .

[SlottsMachine]

 I was looking at the codex which I rarely do, and I found this description of traditional armor.

 If a bullet or other incoming object gets past the barrier, it contends with the more traditional body armor. A sealed suit of non-porous ballistic cloth provides kinetic and environmental protection, reinforced by lightweight composite ceramic plates in areas that either don't need to flex or require additional coverage, such as the chest and head. When the armor is hit by directed energy weapons, the plates boil away or ablate rather than burning the wearer.

So it would seem armor is still useful as a secondary layer of protection, against mass accelerated weapons.

Modifié par GeneralSlotts193, 01 juillet 2011 - 03:25 .

[Weiser_Cain]

I'd have to imagine that material science has come a long way. Plus the projectiles aren't being accelerated all the way to the target like the ship. They're coming in hard and fast, but there's probably only so much energy you can get down-field in metal shavings. Also unlike a planet, the armor is probably trying to deflect as much of the force as possible.

To get back on topic, THAT is why I want to see Jack in full armor in ME3.

[SlottsMachine]

One more York, and then I'll leave you alone.

A slug lightened by a mass effect field can be accelerated to greater speeds, permitting projectile velocities that were previously unobtainable. If accelerated to a high enough velocity, a simple paint chip can impact with the same destructive force as a nuclear weapon.

However, mass accelerators produce recoil equal to their impact energy. This is mitigated somewhat by the mass effect fields that rounds are suspended within, but weapon recoil is still the prime limiting factor on slug velocity.

Modifié par GeneralSlotts193, 01 juillet 2011 - 06:08 .

[fainmaca]

I thought it was stated that a projectile from a mass accelerator weapon could only accelerate as long as it stayed in the barrel of the weapon, i.e. the longer the barrel, the greater the speed it could reach. I think it's somewhere in a dreadnought codex entry. therefore, a bullet would reach a higher speed than from a gunpowder weapon, but it would go nowhere near to light-speed. you'd need a barrel about the length of a planet's circumference to do that, by which point you're shooting yourself in the back of the head.
In short, the bullets are still quite fast, much more devastating than current weaponry, but 2185 armour has kept up with these technological leaps. Not so hard an idea to swallow, given the fact we're dealing with a technology that tells physics to sit down and shut up.

Anyway, back to the woman we're here to talk about!

Do you think the choice at the end of her LM will actually have a tangible benefit/downside in ME3. ie, if you spared Aresh, do you think he'll return as a friendly NPC, or an antagonist of some kind, or just a news report about some biotic kids going missing?
I think he'll come back in some form to cause Jack trouble if he was spared, leading to conflict between her and Shepard as she blames him for Aresh being alive.

[Goat_Shepard]

This has been very educational, it's as if Ashley's life is hanging on it's conclusion. I think if I put armor on Jack in ME3, I'll want to do so in ME2, and I can't, so I won't. Unless it's a really sweet get-up, which is probably a given.

fainmaca wrote...
Anyway, back to the woman we're here to talk about!

Do you think the choice at the end of her LM will actually have a tangible benefit/downside in ME3. ie, if you spared Aresh, do you think he'll return as a friendly NPC, or an antagonist of some kind, or just a news report about some biotic kids going missing?
I think he'll come back in some form to cause Jack trouble if he was spared, leading to conflict between her and Shepard as she blames him for Aresh being alive.

Well, according to Patrick Weekes, loyalty is nonessential at best, but the choices made on said LM can be huge. He's probably mostly referring to Legion's LM, maybe Mordin's and Tali's, but I wouldn't be surprised if we got an email on our Aresh decision (or maybe they upgraded from emails to Skype )

Honestly though, Aresh is messed up, I'd be surprised if he shows his face, but since he is crazy, I guess it's inherent that he will surprise you. I still think it's a closed case.

It's disappointing that Jack''s loyalty flag might not be considered in ME3, but I'm fine with just enjoying the content.

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 01 juillet 2011 - 11:59 .

[IamSithari]

To be honest I didnt think much of jack until she told shepard she crashed a space station into an hanar moon, like who does that nobody but jack so thats why shes my LI and or renegade apprentice.

Modifié par IamSithari, 01 juillet 2011 - 05:22 .

[punchbag]

I love all this mass effect metaphysics talk. It's very interesting. But I haven't studied Mass Effect lore and tech enough to contribute further. Still, very intriguing.

But, (@ GeneralSlotts) where is this info being pulled from? I'd like to look at this stuff further when I have time. Anyway, my uninformed guess is that the physics within a mass effect field are altered much like (or more than) the physics around and/or within a black hole (completely uneducated guess), so I think the mass effect field the projectile is suspended in can still "disobey" the physics "telling" its velocity to be limited by weapon recoil (at least to a degree); I think the limitation caused by weapon recoil might be very little but still present. Again, uneducated guess.

@ fainmaca
I hope the decision to spare Aresh has negative consequences (not because I want bad things to happen to Jack, because I don't; but because I think it could have a very interesting turn of events; boy am I selfish).
If he was killed, well, I'm not really sure if that could impact anything.
Also, I don't think Jack necessarily blames Shepard for Aresh's death/survival unless you use the renegade/paragon interrupts; if you just use the renegade/paragon dialogue and ignore the interrupts she does the opposite of what Shepard tells her. Considering the different feelings she could possibly hold toward Shep in relation to what happened to Aresh, I'm hoping Bioware allows their relationship to be affected in as many ways possible.

[punchbag]

IamSithari wrote...

To be honest I didnt think much of jack until she told shepard she crashed a space station into an hanar moon, like who does that nobody but jack so thats why shes my LI and or appreantice.

Haha, yes! She is such a bad@s$




Edit: sorry, I'm really bad with double posting (I think I'm just lazy sometimes)

Modifié par punchbag, 01 juillet 2011 - 05:17 .

[IamSithari]

Yea, her LM may be a non issue as far as ME3 may be concerned and Ill kill Aresh for myself if he got off planet. But the fact that you helped her nuke a garden world in the Terminus might have far reaching consquences im sure our squad wasnt the only ones on the planet. Whatever the case im riding jack all theway.

Modifié par IamSithari, 01 juillet 2011 - 05:24 .

[punchbag]

IamSithari wrote...

...Whatever the case im riding jack all theway.

That's what she said.
Lol, sorry I couldn't help but point out how dirty that sounds. 

I will shut up now.

[xSTONEYx187x]

Did a run through where I paragonized Jack, just to see the romance arc in ME 3. Even though see has a skin head and a body full of tats, whoever they based her face off, well she's probably the best looking female in the game.

Modifié par xSTONEYx187x, 01 juillet 2011 - 09:23 .

[Dr. Doctor]

IamSithari wrote...

To be honest I didnt think much of jack until she told shepard she crashed a space station into an hanar moon.

Suddenly I can see Jack crashing a station into a Reaper. That would be awesome.

[IamSithari]

punchbag wrote...

IamSithari wrote...

...Whatever the case im riding jack all theway.

That's what she said.
Lol, sorry I couldn't help but point out how dirty that sounds. 

I will shut up now.

guess I wasnt paying attention to I wrote I shoulda said jacqulene.