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[WRXtacy]

I'm about to start over at ME1 that should kill a few months. I also need to finish Uncharted 3. Once ME3 came out I put that on the back burner which is sad because it's incredible.

[fainmaca]

WRXtacy wrote...

I'm on chapter 37 chapter 36 was really awesome.

In that case, let me know what you think when you get to chapter 39. I think I really outdid myself there and gave the Krogan a really awesome story.

DarkPrinceRevan wrote...
@fainmaca
i love your fanfic, i actually didnt kno you were the same person when i started reading it last month. takes me a whole day to finish one chapter lol, but im all caught up and ive being loving the shepard and jack moments so far. i find some of the events that parallel the actual ME3 story hilarious in hindsight like the revenant and javik, im almost surprised you didnt give EDI a sexy robot body first lol. and i think its good to have side missions to break up the plot and develop other squad members relationships with one another.

Thanks! I know my chapters do run on the long side, but I think each plot needs the extra time to play out in a satisfying way.

I have been surprised by the parallels between my story and the game as well, particularly by certain ideas like a larger-than-normal Thresher Maw on Tuchanka, going to the Ardat-Yakshi monastery on Thessia, and Falere being the last surviving one of Samara's children, as well as Jack being experimented on at Grissom Academy and the fact that one of the big plot devices I had planned for later in the story was called the Crucible (I'll need to change that now so the Readers don't confuse it with a lame Reaper off-switch).

as for EDI.... I don't actually think giving the ship a big old pair of diddies is a particularly inspired idea, and I dislike the concept of EDI 'becoming more Human'. Why not let her keep her unique synthetic qualities, allow her to be her own person rather than have her perspective homogenised into the same one the Human crew has? That's why, when you think about it, I went the other way in my fic. I've given Joker a digital form, lifted him to the synthetic plane of being to connect to EDI in that way rather than taking her into the physical world. This defies expectations and allows me to go in a direction that feels original. I certainly haven't seen anyone go this way before. Almost always the robot/cyber/AI chick ends up transported into the 'real world' instead and given a body.

The side missions seemed like a good way to develop the squad seeing as it's too big to deploy in its entirety for every mission, and it serves to help shape the squad for the End Battle. Are you sure that you've given your chosen specialist enough experience running side missions before you send him off to lead a distraction? Its also a mechanic I think would be cool to implement into the game, controlling Garrus, Tali, revenant or anyone else for a short mission.

[imp187]

@Ilzairspar
mhh, cause of uncharted i think you are on a ps3?! If you own a system that is supported, i would suggest trying witcher 1 and witcher 2. (the gameplay is not bad and i really like that your decisions often are not that black or white, but many gray tones)
Of course Dragon Age: Origins but you will at least know this already...

@DarkPrinceRevan
I will think about this setting...maybe i could come with something "inspiring" ;-)

@fainmaca
wow, 45 chapters till now? I really should take my time the next days and dive a little into your fanfic... i like people that are so passionate about something...

@ALL
if you haven´t contributed by now but want more bioware-love for Jack (or any other ME2 LI), don´t be shy and take the last chance of letting bioware know and really show them how passionate their customers are about that topic by writing a letter (long or short doesn´t matter) and send it as pm to Visii
PLEASE (more letters are always better)

Modifié par imp187, 06 avril 2012 - 12:04 .

[fainmaca]

imp187 wrote...
@fainmaca
wow, 45 chapters till now? I really should take my time the next days and dive a little into your fanfic... i like people that are so passionate about something...

 Please let me know what you think!
 I'm trying something a little new with this fic, leaving vital mission decisions up to the readers and then providing a unique ending based on those decisions. I have 6 possible ending locations planned, with a further 4 possible outcomes for each location, ranging from total Reaper victory to Shepard & co getting out alive, but I'm only just starting to get a general idea of which of these 24 possible endings I'll end up with, much of it riding on reader choices still to come.
An additional plus, its a Jackmancer Shepard leading the story!

[imp187]

fainmaca wrote...

Of course i will...as soon as i find the time... just started a new shepard at me1 to try another class and especially the english version with the original cast...
And the idea with the multiple endings etc reminds me of back in the days the book rpg´s where you read a few lines and then it was like: if you decide to make (A) go to paragraph 97, if you decide ( read paragraph 235 and so on 

Modifié par imp187, 06 avril 2012 - 12:47 .

[DarkPrinceRevan]

fainmaca wrote...

WRXtacy wrote...

I'm on chapter 37 chapter 36 was really awesome.

In that case, let me know what you think when you get to chapter 39. I think I really outdid myself there and gave the Krogan a really awesome story.

DarkPrinceRevan wrote...
@fainmaca
i love your fanfic, i actually didnt kno you were the same person when i started reading it last month. takes me a whole day to finish one chapter lol, but im all caught up and ive being loving the shepard and jack moments so far. i find some of the events that parallel the actual ME3 story hilarious in hindsight like the revenant and javik, im almost surprised you didnt give EDI a sexy robot body first lol. and i think its good to have side missions to break up the plot and develop other squad members relationships with one another.

Thanks! I know my chapters do run on the long side, but I think each plot needs the extra time to play out in a satisfying way.

I have been surprised by the parallels between my story and the game as well, particularly by certain ideas like a larger-than-normal Thresher Maw on Tuchanka, going to the Ardat-Yakshi monastery on Thessia, and Falere being the last surviving one of Samara's children, as well as Jack being experimented on at Grissom Academy and the fact that one of the big plot devices I had planned for later in the story was called the Crucible (I'll need to change that now so the Readers don't confuse it with a lame Reaper off-switch).

as for EDI.... I don't actually think giving the ship a big old pair of diddies is a particularly inspired idea, and I dislike the concept of EDI 'becoming more Human'. Why not let her keep her unique synthetic qualities, allow her to be her own person rather than have her perspective homogenised into the same one the Human crew has? That's why, when you think about it, I went the other way in my fic. I've given Joker a digital form, lifted him to the synthetic plane of being to connect to EDI in that way rather than taking her into the physical world. This defies expectations and allows me to go in a direction that feels original. I certainly haven't seen anyone go this way before. Almost always the robot/cyber/AI chick ends up transported into the 'real world' instead and given a body.

The side missions seemed like a good way to develop the squad seeing as it's too big to deploy in its entirety for every mission, and it serves to help shape the squad for the End Battle. Are you sure that you've given your chosen specialist enough experience running side missions before you send him off to lead a distraction? Its also a mechanic I think would be cool to implement into the game, controlling Garrus, Tali, revenant or anyone else for a short mission.

at first i thought you were secretly a top bioware writer who revolted when you read the endings and jump shipped to save the story before it was to late lol.

im still abit on the fence how i feel bout EDI's outer body experience, in away its as you say abit uninspired as far as original concepts go but i think they just wanted to throw joker a bone lol then take it away with one of the endings. still i can respect that you sort of went other route like with joker and EDI being like shepard mingling with the geth consensus sort of.

im still holdin out patiently on the backstory of jano and jack, getting some clarity on that scar on her forearm (if i remember correctly). i still feel her pain bout the minuteman mission, i wouldve shot him on principle over akuze but considering what theyve doen to jack i wouldve tossed him out the airlock and shot him with that singularity gun for maximum overkill, along with kai leng for those "remarks" he made about jack

[Ilzairspar]

WRXtacy wrote...

I'm about to start over at ME1 that should kill a few months. I also need to finish Uncharted 3. Once ME3 came out I put that on the back burner which is sad because it's incredible.

Once I was out of school I thought "Hey I have this HUGE list of games I have had forever and haven't played.  Now is the perfect time to start".  Other than finsihing Bioshock and starting around 4 of my PS3 games, I was just playing different Shepards so I would have all of them ready for ME3... then this happened.

@imp  My Bioware games are 100% PC so I can pick up Witcher .  PC is actually my perferred platform.

Modifié par Ilzairspar, 06 avril 2012 - 12:58 .

[fainmaca]

imp187 wrote...

fainmaca wrote...

Of course i will...as soon as i find the time... just started a new shepard at me1 to try another class and especially the english version with the original cast...
And the idea with the multiple endings etc reminds me of back in the days the book rpg´s where you read a few lines and then it was like: if you decide to make (A) go to paragraph 97, if you decide ( read paragraph 235 and so on 

It's kind of like that... except instead of having you guys turn to page X to make decision Y, I'm actually writing consequence Z. Or consequence A, Blue, Elephant or Strawberry. The endings are just that varied. I hope if Bioware ever decide to remake ME3 they give me a call, as I've got the mechanics, calculations and all that jazz all planned out, just need to program it up. I even have the End Battle mechanics planned out, with a segment where you choose a fleet/organisation/species as specialists for certain tasks during your battle plan, further shaping which species live and which ones die etc.

DarkPrinceRevan wrote...

at first i thought you were secretly a top bioware writer who revolted when you read the endings and jump shipped to save the story before it was to late lol.

im still abit on the fence how i feel bout EDI's outer body experience, in away its as you say abit uninspired as far as original concepts go but i think they just wanted to throw joker a bone lol then take it away with one of the endings. still i can respect that you sort of went other route like with joker and EDI being like shepard mingling with the geth consensus sort of.

im still holdin out patiently on the backstory of jano and jack, getting some clarity on that scar on her forearm (if i remember correctly). i still feel her pain bout the minuteman mission, i wouldve shot him on principle over akuze but considering what theyve doen to jack i wouldve tossed him out the airlock and shot him with that singularity gun for maximum overkill, along with kai leng for those "remarks" he made about jack

funny you should say that, actually. I applied to work for Bioware last year, but they turned me away. I was entertaining the idea of applying again.... but now I'm not so sure. I know I wouldn't like to see one of my plots tethered to a hamfisted effort like what we got for ME3.

I'm very much of the camp against giving EDI a body. I actually support the Joker/EDI relationship, but I preferred it when it was a mental/emotional connection rather than a physical one. I think the move to give her a body is a bit of fanservice, which is all well and good, but it diminishes the impact of their relationship. Also, the whole asking Shepard for dating tips was cringeworthy in my opinion. Not only did they give EDI a body, but they made her randy, too?

There's a bit more Jack stuff coming up soon enough, some of which expands on Jano as well, so keep your eyes peeled! As for TIM and minuteman, yeah I get what you're saying, but this was a decision where I, as the author, really wanted to explore one path which I felt was more powerful. I deliberated over it for weeks, whether or not to actually use my author's license to override reader vote just this once, and it was a very difficult decision for me to say 'I'll put it to a vote just to get general opinion, but I'm going to write this path anyway'. And then, of course, the readers voted for the path I wanted to write anyway... *sigh*

[fainmaca]

Also- can you imagine what the Gravity Cannon would do to a guy? Seven miniature black holes, all pulling in different directions, then a super-dense alloy round straight through what mush is left in the middle? That ain't pretty.

Need to figure out how to make one of thos eportable and then give it to Jack...

Modifié par fainmaca, 06 avril 2012 - 01:49 .

[Dr. Doctor]

Ilzairspar wrote...
Plus I'm still pissed that I keep seeing liara at the end.  Dude, I know she is my friend but I didn't romance her.

Shepard's Flasback

An image of Liara flashes in Shepard's vision

Jack: (suddenly appears) What the ****'s going on?!

Shepard: Jack? What are you doing here?

Jack: Not really here ******, I'm a figment of your subconscious. Y'know the part that wants to know what the hell little miss blue over there is doing in your final thoughts?

Shepard: I'm dying?

Jack: How the hell should I know? You're the moron that decided to listen to a reject from some stupid sci-fi vid.

Shepard: I have no idea why Liara popped into my head Jack.

Jack: You ever think that she ****ed something up while she was screwing around inside your head?

Shepard: Shouldn't my subconscious be showing me how much I love the real Jack?

Jack: Look buddy, you're possibly going to kick the bucket and you're thinking of some other chick. Real Jack isn't here to kick your ass so I'm the next best thing.

Shepard: I must be going insane.

Jack: Don't think so, you're weird Shepard not crazy.

Modifié par Dr. Doctor, 06 avril 2012 - 03:05 .

[fainmaca]

@Dr Doctor

Cool stuff. Your little dialogue snippets always make me chuckle, dude. Keep 'em coming!

[Loup de Mer]

Miranda coming along for the Grissom mission would have been amazing. Oh my god, there's so much missed opportunity for snark that it hurts.

Nightfable wrote...

Hey Loup De Mer, it's great to see you posting!! Will you continue your awesome fanfic "Half a League Onward"? It's one of my favorite stories on fanfiction.net!!

Thanks so much! I never meant to let it go for so long. I kept getting distracted by big lifey things all at once, but it's all finally settling down. I should have a lot more time on my hands pretty soon, so I'm definitely planning on starting it up again.

In the meantime, I will be all over the fics that you guys have been posting. I'm really craving some psychotic biotic.

[DarkPrinceRevan]

@fainmaca
yea killing the illusive man wouldve been the easy route and i understand as writer the need to go against the grain. but atleast you made the paragon decision to spare him look like if he slips up even once then hes gone wish shepard wouldve let jack pull the trigger then and there. for fear of what shepard will do to him if he got his hands on him again. too bad jack missed the verbal smackdown shepard gave the illusive man that had him needing a change of suits. somebody shouldve recorded it and played it for her lol.

claymores are for krogans...gravity cannons are for jack

oh i like it how your shepard is very nondescript, makes it easier for me to project my own image of shepard as im reading lol. i thought about detailing how shepard looked in the story i was tryna write but soon realized with as much multiple identities shepard could have it wouldnt be fair to the reader not to let them picture shepard as they want.

you kno im still kinda made we get all these new editions to the normany like to the lounge and observation deck and hardly anything happens in them. kinda random but i just thought how much trouble jack could get into if she wondered around the ship now that most of its about as dark as her quarters under engineering.

i could picture that scene with ashley layed-out-on-the-floor drunk instead with jack drinking her under the table and shepard walking in with ashley still on the floor but with jack sittin on the couch with her legs crossed over ashleys back. the inital look of horror and confusion on shepards face would be process. then jack explains how ashley cant hold her liquor, ashleys wants them to keep it down and wonders why her back feels heavy, jack and shepard think of ways to screw with her head like having EDI ask her relationship advice, ashleys calls them pirtates and jack ask shepard if vega has anymore liquor.....yea this would be funnier if our good Dr. Doctor wrote it

Modifié par DarkPrinceRevan, 06 avril 2012 - 10:30 .

[imp187]

@fainmaca
I read the first chapter and i really like it... just 44 to go but "challenge accepted" ;-)
In case of applying to bioware...the question is, which other (gaming) company is there, with such a big focus on story and the resources to deliver... yeah, i know there are a few (for some there are many) let downs in the near past, but for me, there are really few other companies that can deliver such a high standard...
Maybe Bethesda or learn polish and look at CDPR (witcher series) :-D

[fainmaca]

DarkPrinceRevan wrote...

@fainmaca
yea killing the illusive man wouldve been the easy route and i understand as writer the need to go against the grain. but atleast you made the paragon decision to spare him look like if he slips up even once then hes gone wish shepard wouldve let jack pull the trigger then and there. for fear of what shepard will do to him if he got his hands on him again. too bad jack missed the verbal smackdown shepard gave the illusive man that had him needing a change of suits. somebody shouldve recorded it and played it for her lol.

claymores are for krogans...gravity cannons are for jack

oh i like it how your shepard is very nondescript, makes it easier for me to project my own image of shepard as im reading lol. i thought about detailing how shepard looked in the story i was tryna write but soon realized with as much multiple identities shepard could have it wouldnt be fair to the reader not to let them picture shepard as they want.

Even so, I still have all the consequences worked out for if the Illusive Man had been killed as well, as I do for every choice I have implemented/will implement in this story. Unlike the brutal reality of ME3, my consequences are a damn sight more variable than the colour of the explosion. And yeah, Shepard made it very clear that this second chance hangs by a thread. One false step, and TIM gets that Gravity Cannon up the wazoo.

I'm glad you picked up on that! I purposely leave out visual descriptions and the name is unmentioned in this fic so that this Shepard could be anyone's game character. Describing Shep in a fic very clearly states 'this character is mine', but in my fic I want it clear that this one belongs to the readers, the 'players' in my interactive story.

imp187 wrote...

@fainmaca
I read the first chapter and i really like it... just 44 to go but "challenge accepted" ;-)
In case of applying to bioware...the question is, which other (gaming) company is there, with such a big focus on story and the resources to deliver... yeah, i know there are a few (for some there are many) let downs in the near past, but for me, there are really few other companies that can deliver such a high standard...
Maybe Bethesda or learn polish and look at CDPR (witcher series) :-D

Thanks! Watch out for some of the later chapters- they are real monsters. 27 in particular got out of control, finishing up at 75000 words long, the length of an average 300 page novel! But these longer ones do allow me to do a better job of building up to a truly epic climax. My fave chapter is 39: 'I am Krogan!', as I think it has the most thrilling scenes in it.

Yeah, the whole reason I wanted to apply to work at Bioware and haven't tried applying for anyone else is because I firmly believe that they were (and still could be, if they tried) the titans of storytelling. KOTOR was my first ever video game, and I still remember the fear of seeing the Rakghouls for the first time, the feeling of fellowship I had with Canderous, the rapt interest with which I listened to Jolee's stories, and the tight grip the game had on my throat at the twist with Bastila. I wanted to be a part of that company. This new one that sacrifices the power of a story in the name of 'artistic integrity'... I'm not so sure I want anything to do with that.

[imp187]

So, just finished chapter 3... i really like it so far, maybe i find shepard a little too relaxed about his other squadmates (especially jack) beeing captured by cerberus...

Mhh, of course this is a matter of personal opinions but beside the ending(s) and the squadmate decisions (throwing away the me2 li´s etc) the story is really well written... there are really few games that make me care that much about virtual characters and give that feeling of war... i really was depressed a few times (like mordin, thessia etc).
Yeah, it seems that ea is really sucking on bioware (none of us can really tell, of course) but over all, i can´t see another company which could compare on the long run... (in terms of writing and story)

Modifié par imp187, 06 avril 2012 - 11:37 .

[Aver88]

imp187 wrote...
Mhh, of course this is a matter of personal opinions but beside the ending(s) and the squadmate decisions (throwing away the me2 li´s etc) the story is really well written... there are really few games that make me care that much about virtual characters and give that feeling of war... i really was depressed a few times (like mordin, thessia etc).
Yeah, it seems that ea is really sucking on bioware (none of us can really tell, of course) but over all, i can´t see another company which could compare on the long run... (in terms of writing and story)

I have the same exact thoughts about story and characters. I would only add crucible as bad thing. I didn't like idea of uber weapon that would kill all Reapers with one shot. It's feels like space magic .

If we are talkin about other company that write good story and characters then I have to mention CDProjekt Red. Their games have awesome story. I love their well made political heavy plot. 

Modifié par Aver88, 06 avril 2012 - 12:58 .

[fainmaca]

imp187 wrote...

So, just finished chapter 3... i really like it so far, maybe i find shepard a little too relaxed about his other squadmates (especially jack) beeing captured by cerberus...

Mhh, of course this is a matter of personal opinions but beside the ending(s) and the squadmate decisions (throwing away the me2 li´s etc) the story is really well written... there are really few games that make me care that much about virtual characters and give that feeling of war... i really was depressed a few times (like mordin, thessia etc).
Yeah, it seems that ea is really sucking on bioware (none of us can really tell, of course) but over all, i can´t see another company which could compare on the long run... (in terms of writing and story)

Yeah, I think once I finish writing this story I'll go back and rework the earlier chapters a bit. I can see a huge difference between my writing back then and my writing these days (amazing what just over a year can do, right?) With Shepard... I do try to protray him as very much in control of his emotions, not really allowing his heart to rule over his actions. firstly this keeps him neutral enough that both Renegade and Paragon players can relate to him, but it also mean when he does hit his breaking point the emotions I can portray really hit hard (You'll see what I mean by chapter 37).

As for ME3, I agree, it is a matter of opinion just what was done right and what was done wrong in the game. For me, there were a number of things that Bioware did which I explicitly said 'I hope Bioware don't go and do X and Y', EDI's body being one of those points. I'm not going to argue that the game doesn't engage me emotionally, because it does, but I think there is a difference between making an emotionally engaging plot point and doing so while remaining true to the original ideals of the franchise. I've said it before in other threads and forums, but I think that if ME3 hadn't been the end to the story told by ME1 and 2, it would have been a great game, endings and all. But because it had to finish the story established before, I think it falls flat. The main reason why I feel so is becuase I think the entire theme of choice and responsibility, morals and blame, is removed in favour of telling an essentially linear story. When I played ME2, if I lost anyone in the final mission it was my fault, and that's why it had power for me. I once lost Jack in order to make a more tragic Shepard, and when I went down to the sub-deck and saw Jack's empty cot with datapads still strewn around it, I felt a great hollowness inside. If it hadn't been my choices that led to her death, I wouldn't have felt the same. In my opinion, when bad stuff like squadmate deaths or fleet destructions etc happens in the game I should have a sense that it was because I made a wrong decision back up the line somewhere. Then I can relate to Mordin's philosophy about the wheel of life, the chance to correct that mistake in a new incarnation of Shepard. Right now, there's no drive to try again because all the bad stuff happens no matter what. There's no way to change my choices and face a different outcome.

Sorry for TL:DR rant. I'm running through a lot of emotions right now, especially after the placebo Bioware's offering us. Back to Jack matters!

So.... no takers for my request for a Jack fanart?

[imp187]

Of course, and i think nobody would really disagree on this one, would it be perfect if the player has nearly every decision and outcome in his hands... but some things would require much more time and budget so i can see that some things are "auto dialog" etc... some decisions are really a matter of taste etc like edi´s body...

But like i said before, shifting so many squadmates without the need is a bad design decision to begin with... (my opinion)

The endings are another topic that i think is talked enough about...

But you are right, back to jack...
Has someone a good ME3 Jack Wallpaper?

Modifié par imp187, 06 avril 2012 - 01:32 .

[DarkPrinceRevan]

@fainmaca
i would help if i could with the fanart but im not so good at drawing scenes from my head as i am from looking at reference photo. im abit worry of messin up or not doin as good a job as i would like to

Modifié par DarkPrinceRevan, 06 avril 2012 - 02:02 .

[Goat_Shepard]

[imp187]

First of, thank you very much for the pics...
And damn.... neeeed more jack *sigh*

[Aver88]

Shepard looks funny on the last one.

[imp187]

 yeah, but oh boy does jack look hot in this pic 

btw... i´m so happy that here are more crazy people in here so i don´t feel like too much of a weirdo 


Edit: sorry i´m getting off topic again... even if i´m not that into the mp-part i found this post funny and am a little curious what they will announce today related to the me and da franchises...

Quote:  "I just saw some Mass Effect Multiplayer things that will probably make your pants fit incorrectly in a few hours"

Modifié par imp187, 06 avril 2012 - 03:20 .

[Goat_Shepard]

Aver88 wrote...

Shepard looks funny on the last one.

The punched-unexpectantly-by-your-girlfriend-in-the-face face? Oh yeah. Punched silly. And then forcefully groped. What a rollercoaster day that was.

I also didn't appreciate f*ckin Arrival being used against me by JACK. Yeah that 6 months of bliss in between the 2nd and 3rd game, love taking sh!t for that.

I'm not done yet but so far it doesn't suck.