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[DarkPrinceRevan]

Sundown Native wrote...

 This is probably the last picture I'm making for the book.

Fun thought: if Jack ever encountered Kai Leng, who do you think would win?

lets see, kai leng mortally wounded thane in front of shepard, crashed shepard's skycar, shot at him with drop ship, left him to falll to his death in a chasm and fail to save thessia....oh and hes with cerberus and tried to kill miranda before jack. lol the last two wouldve already been incentive enough but all the crap he puts shepard through would make her go the extra mile to leave little kai leng bits all over the place. heck thane flatten him with a simple biotic throw and thanes a modest biotic compared to jack being an powerhouse

[WRXtacy]

Amazing to think a sick broken thane almost beat Leng. I would of loved to see thane in his prime.

But yeah I think Jack beats Leng. But it wouldn't be easy. Jack would definetly get messed up.

[Premier Bromanov]

I don't think Jack would have much trouble. Just keep slamming him until he's 1-D. Hard to tell how things would work, anyway, between gameplay mechanics and cutscene mechanics/powers.

[fainmaca]

I wrote a letter for the Jack and the LI fanbook! What do you think?

Dear Bioware,

Fain Shepard is a Survivor. He grew up in the slums of Earth, facing trials from day to day and living a hand-to-mouth existence. He managed to break free from theis life and went on to join the Alliance, only to suffer through the loss of his whole unit on Akuze. Nevertheless, he pressed onwards, growing stronger and holding fast the determination to do better, to be better.

In the course of his mission to stop Saren, he was of course the subject of much adulation, with Humans and aliens alike taking a shine to him, but he knew that the mission always came first. Even when Ashley Williams and Liara T'soni approached him to express their feelings, he kindly made it clear that they could never be together. This was never proved to be a wiser decision than during the Virmire mission, where the mission had to come first and, in the cause of saving the most lives possible, Fain was forced to leave Ashley behind. Thus, he faced the Reaper menace and their indoctrinated Turian pawn with no love other than the ship he served on.

This all changed after the brutal Collector attack that claimed his life. After he awoke in the Lazarus laboratory, Shepard realised that he was committing himself to a campaign that would tear apart the resolve of most soldiers. He steeled himself for the suicide mission placed in his hands, ready to lay down his life for the safety of his homeworld, of his species, of the Galaxy itself.

What he couldn't have prepared for, however, was the moment on the Purgatory prison ship when he unleashed the famed biotic criminal, known only as 'Jack' or 'Subject Zero'. Here was a woman unlike any he had ever known. What's more, as much as he found himself drawn to this dangerous new addition to his crew, Jack only responded with derogatory remarks and a distinct lack of outward indications of interest. This served only to tantalise Fain and draw him ever deeper.

Finally, after some time spent saving the Galaxy together, Jack's outward facade of an unappealing psychopath began to slip, revealing more and more of what lay at her core: A creature of true beauty, hidden away beneath many layers of complexity. Here was a woman who relied upon avoiding being conventionally attractive to keep herself safe from a Galaxy that had hurt her too many times. Instantly Fain's feelings of curiosity swelled into overpowering urges to protect her, to show her that there was more to life than betrayal and hurt. He knew that there were not many who could appreciate this side to the biotic, and that made the revelation all that more important. Not many understood Jack, or even wanted to, but Fain was willing to try.

I share this Shepard's feelings that the relationship with Jack is one of the most profound in the series, with more layers than many players will truly appreciate. This is much the same manner that most in-universe characters are unwilling to invest the effort to understand the character. It was the implication that my Shepard was one of a select few people Jack had encountered to truly try to get to know her that really engaged me in the relationship.

This is why I found the continuation of the relationship in Mass Effect Three to be lacking. I found any scenes involving Jack to be lacking the complexity of the second installment of the franchise, her characterisation greatly simplified and made to be more conventionally appealing. Rather than showing the hugely emotional power of the romance that we managed to see through the romance scene at the end of Mass Effect Two, we are instead shown a devolved relationship that almost seems to be entirely based on physical actions. Not only that, but the implied importance of this relationship to Jack is seemingly lost in the short space of time between the final two games, with her seeming indifference implying that it is just a fling, unimportant. As a result of this, the character and her relationship with Shepard are greatly diminished, removing a powerful part of fain Shepard's story, as well as those of many other Shepards.

Shepard deserves better, Bioware. Jack's fans deserve better. But, most important to me, Jack deserves better. She is your creation, Bioware, and like any story, hers needs to be given the conclusion it deserves.

I believe in you, Bioware.

Fainmaca Out.

I'd like to submit it with the two chapters from Ink, as well.

[fainmaca]

I reckon her first reaction would be something along the lines of 'where the **** did you find that?"

Then later she'd try to brush it off. Then, if Shepard pushed her, she'd threaten to rip his arms out of their sockets and stuff them up his nostrils. But, you know, in an affectionate way.

[Premier Bromanov]

My Shepard didn't look through the Shadow Broker files. The second he realized what they were, he left them alone. I always kind of assumed they were a meta-thing, anyway, providing information more for the player, rather than for Shepard.

[kumquats]

fainmaca wrote...

I wrote a letter for the Jack and the LI fanbook! What do you think?

I love it. A really great letter you wrote there.
That's what I loved about ME2 Jack, you really had to dig deep to see Jack.

Modifié par kumquats, 21 avril 2012 - 11:02 .

[Padt]

Sundown Native wrote...

^Hella better than what I sent. Heh.^



Another question I'd like to ask.


How do you think Jack would respond to Shepard reading her poem?

Either catching him reading the words aloud, or simply telling her that he read it?



My opinion is, I seriously don't think she'd care. Initially. When it's first brought up, she would probably take one look at it and say:

"Eh. It was something to do."

I'd...be inclined to think she'd be pissed. Not just because it is, at the end of the day, a large breach of privacy, but also because I don't think what you see in that poem is necessarily a side of herself that she'd be inclined to show Shepard. At least, not when it's not on her own terms (which it clearly isn't if Shepard finds out about it by snooping through her mail).

Poem about Shepard? Sure, I could see it. No way she'd ever show it to him, though.

Modifié par Padt, 21 avril 2012 - 09:27 .

[gearseffect]

I kinda forgot what those poems were about?

I remember seeing Jack kept getting banned from sits for using fowl language. I was like hahah I too have a sailor mouth. Heck that was one of the things made me love Jack as soon as I met her in ME2.
I really wanted to see more of her in ME3 and having a sailor mouth.

Also her scars given it seems we're thinking there from some operational (Which I agree with ya) I want to say however that the person opening her up and stuff really was not that good. I mean I have surgery scars that look way more nice and stuff than hers do, and ME is way in the future shows how much Cerberus cares about medical experiments.

No wonder Kai Leng got turned into such a panzy after Anderson shot his legs .

[Richard 060]

Found this - suffice to say, many lols...   





Click to embiggen!

Modifié par Richard 060, 21 avril 2012 - 10:50 .

[fainmaca]

kumquats wrote...

fainmaca wrote...

I wrote a letter for the Jack and the LI fanbook! What do you think?

I love it. A really great letter you wrote there.
That's what I loved about ME2 Jack, you really had to dick deep to see Jack.

Thanks! Glad you liked it.

But you might wanna change that typo, dude. Just sayin'.
Implications... *sniffs* ...Unpleasant.

@Sundown: Not sure... writing a poem about your own pain is one thing. Writing about the person you love is another. I mean, Kasumi did it with her Haiku.

Maybe if it started out about pain but then ended with someone taking the pain away/ helping her through it... Definately not naming Shepard though, just implying him. Then again, maybe not.

Hell, I'm no poet. I just write sh*t.

[kumquats]

fainmaca wrote...

Thanks! Glad you liked it.

But you might wanna change that typo, dude. Just sayin'.
Implications... *sniffs* ...Unpleasant.

Oh I really didn't want to, write this.

[M Hedonist]

Jack' still waiting to get laid, Bioware.
+1 for more closure on Jack's romance in the Extended Cut DLC.

[fainmaca]

I had a bit of a revelation today. Jack's pit in the sub-deck is the only part of the Normandy that the Alliance didn't get their jam hands on and rip open. Its the only part that's stayed the same. Now I can't help but go down there and look around every time I finish a mission. You know, for some feeling of consistency, familiarity.

[WRXtacy]

Holy crap that picture is killing me!! Haha! How the heck did they do that with the player models?

Also for People who romanced jack it would be even funnier if it was Garrus and tali getting a picture like that and jack photo bombed that one. Haha

[Premier Bromanov]

Sundown Native wrote...

@Fainmaca & @Premier Bromanov

You think she'd ever write a poem about Shepard?

Ooh, that's a good question.  I've always thought that Jack's relationship with Shepard is all about actions and words and body language.  She won't get engaged, she won't get married, she may never say "love", because those things are too formal for her.  Shepard would just know that Jack loves him, and not because she broadcasts all of her feelings through her eyes.  It'd be a feeling, and Shepard would know it's there.  Jack would know that Shepard loves her because he sticks around, because he puts up with her ****, because he sees all of her signals, and because, occasionally, he can be excessively schmaltzy.

Where I'm going with this is, poetry could be an appropriate method for Jack to express her feelings for Shepard.  A poem like this might be so cryptic, she'd have literary experts and cryptanalysts scratching their heads, but the meaning would be in there.  And Jack would keep that poem hidden.  Unless she wanted to give it as a gift...

[Visii]

LIA Project 2: The Tribute is really coming together. But we still need help!

We're gathering letters, fanart and screenshots and sending it to Bioware, to show our appreciation of the characters and the desire for additional romantic content. Please see this thread for more details:

http://social.biowar.../index/11315889


Letter Contributions

ShepxThane: 12
ShepxMiranda: 9
ShepxSamara: 5
ShepxJack: 3   (Moar letters please?)
ShepxKelly: 2
ShepxJacob: 2

ShepxVega: 4
ShepxKaidan: 3
ShepxAshley: 2
ShepxLiara: 1

Art Contributions

ShepxThane: 83
ShepxMiranda: 29
ShepxSamara: 22
ShepxJack: 22 (Jack doesn't tie! She destroys!)
ShepxJacob: 7
ShepxKelly: 4

ShepxKaidan: 22
ShepxAshley:  19
ShepxGarrus: 17
ShepxVega: 3
ShepxTali: 2
ShepxLiara: 1


Deadline for submissions is the 25th, so if you really want to participate and show support for your favorite LI(s), there's still time left!

[10K]

This is a pic I'm drawing, my shepard and Jack. Sorry about the how light the outline is showing up. scanner is crappy. but this is the first time I really put any of my art online what do you think.

Modifié par mosesarose, 21 avril 2012 - 06:51 .

[Premier Bromanov]

Aw, they look so happy together.  Jack looks so happy to be with him. 

[His Name was HYR!!]

Was thinking here. Jack has a bunch of students, but two that appear to get more attention from her than the others (Prangley/Rodriguez). I wondered why that was. I figured it was nothing, but part of me wanted to think that maybe there's more to it. Teachers play favorites often. And then they can also be really hard on them, and often times, they are hard on students that they see themselves in and/or don't think he or she is living up to their potential. So I thought maybe those two are her "favorites" ... then I figured I was reading too far into it and getting fan-ficy.

So today, out of curiosity, I watched on youtube: Mass Effect 3 Grissom Academy without Jack (write all that in, and you'll find a video of it). Now I know for certain. I wasn't imagining it, they totally did that.

Prangley = little Shepard. In Jack-less Grissom Academy, whoever the students' instructor was is dead. Prangley has assumed the leadership role. He's very brave for that, and he cares a lot about the rest of the students around him. And he dies heroically in the end trying to save Rodriquez.

Rodriguez = little Jack. Like Jack, Rodriquez is pretty. She has a nice face, and the eyes stand out. But she's scared. I sensed it in my first playthrough, but watching the video, it's clear as day. She's never killed before, but she's forced to as a matter of circumstance (there's a dialogue between her and Shepard about that). Its a lot like Jack, having to fend for herself in the world as a little girl, and there's no doubt in my mind that Jack would sense this in her. Prangley's death saddens her, and though Kahlee is relieved that this particular Shepard chose to stick the students in support roles, Rodriguez is upset - saying, "so Prangley died and we're not even gonna fight?" That tragedy fueled anger in her, and that scared girl is embracing her dark-side in response to it.

My 8th-grade English teacher always told me "writers make conscious decisions." It's so true. Sometimes I'm not sure and think that maybe I'm over-interpreting something. Not this though, I'm just about convinced.

Grissom Academy was very well-done. Only thing, Prangley's death was kinda lame. Jeez, Shepard. Don't just leave him there, carry him to the shuttle. He might just be wounded and could still make it. Even if he doesn't, at least you have a body for a proper burial.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 21 avril 2012 - 11:25 .

[Padt]

Something that's always jumped out at me about Grissom Academy is that, no matter what you do, Jack always seems to take her lead from Shepard for the duration of the mission. If you're encouraging towards the kids, she's also encouraging. If you try to scare them into fighting Cerberus, she scolds and browbeats them. If you tell them to cut loose and do as much damage as possible during the fight, she does the same. If you tell them to stay safe and protect themselves...well, you get the idea. It doesn't seem like she does it just to get a move on things or anything, either. In every instance, she genuinely seems to agree that what you suggest is the best course of action for dealing with the situation.

It's a pretty basic expression of the notion that Jack takes her cues on leadership and team work from Shepard, as she implies during the conversations in the hall and in Purgatory. And if you don't romance her, when you're saying goodbye to her during the battle on Earth she tells you that she "won't let you down", which I think really clinches the idea that she kinda sees a role model of sorts in Shepard, someone she wants to do proud. Sort of like Garrus in ME1 and ME2.

Modifié par Padt, 22 avril 2012 - 07:47 .

[Premier Bromanov]

@ HYR 2.0,

Apart from a student not surviving, is there any difference between who does what on a Grissom Acadmy mission where Jack isn't present?

Also, I heard that, considering all of ME3, if Jack died in ME2, apart from getting her name on the memorial wall, there is no mention of Jack. At all. It's as if she barely existed, apart from her name on that plaque. Is it true? Does anyone know?

@Padt,

I'd like to think that you're correct, and it isn't just a matter of a writer having Jack agree with everything Shepard says to move the mission along, and to simplify her role in the final battle. If Jack is taking cues from Shepard, and if she's following orders like an Alliance soldier would, that says a lot about how Jack has changed. I don't want Jack to ever be anyone other than the badass biotic my Shepard fell in love with, but to see her changing like that in a subtle way is great writing and great development. I really am proud of ME3 Jack.

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 22 avril 2012 - 01:49 .