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[His Name was HYR!!]

I'll have to disagree, I think Weekes and the design team did a damn fine job with Jack in ME3. His hate is understandable too, as I'm sure many of us hated Jack before we came around to loving her.

[fainmaca]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Why do you think she was prettied up for ME3 to make her more palatable, if she can't be romanced in ME3?  If someone is romancing her in ME3, it's because they romanced her in ME2, so this means they accept her unorthodox appearance.

It's all about improving the aesthetic of the game in general. This way, nobody complains that they put 'that bald b**ch' back in the game. I recall even as recently as a few months ago the boards being infested with anti-Jack threads that were vehemently opposed to having her in the game at all, let alone a part of the squad, based almost entirely on her appearance.

[Premier Bromanov]

I wonder if they'd be so vehemently opposed to Jack's character if she was an optional recruitment. I also wonder if they'd **** if Samara's recruitment stayed optional, so that if you don't recruit Samara or Jack, you're guaranteed to lose one squadmate during the Long Walk. I think some of them might change their tune, in this case.

[spirosz]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

I'll have to disagree, I think Weekes and the design team did a damn fine job with Jack in ME3. His hate is understandable too, as I'm sure many of us hated Jack before we came around to loving her.

Hate is a strong term, I was unsure how I felt about her, but I got her romance scene "by accident" while doing my first playthrough in ME2 and fell in love - didn't even get any of her romance dialogue leading up to that point (Murdock confession, etc).  

Bioware were making a lot of the characters more "sexy" to appeal to a larger audience.  I don't like how I've read, "Oh I hated Jack in ME2, but she looks hot now, so I like her"<_<

[fainmaca]

@PB: I'm sure that would satisfy a few of them, but then you get others who say it makes no sense to have her on a military ship at all and her recruitment shouldn't even be optional, just removed entirely. No matter the choice, there will be some who disagree with it.

In the end, though, everything I say is personal opinion and impression. I just feel that the polarised fanbase Jack created was a good meta-game reflection of her in-game intentions, and that's removed somewhat in the third installment. Problem is, i've spent a year and a ahlf now creating my own vision and expectations of what Mass Effect three would be, including Jack's part in the narrative, so I guess I set myself up to be disappointed. Much easier to write her and all other squadmates a large, fleshed out role in my story than to pay for animation, VO work and dedicated memory on the installation disk.

Modifié par fainmaca, 02 mai 2012 - 05:11 .

[DarkPrinceRevan]

hmm seems like a good opportunity to make a drawing of Jack combining elements of both her ME2 and ME3 designs....unfortunately my specialty is only drawing from reference pictures so i cant really do the idea justice so someone else could give it a shot.

[MattFini]

fainmaca wrote...

Face it, ME3 Jack is more of a Barbie Doll than ME2 Jack. Just like Ashley. Just like Liara, to a degree.
Fact is, most Jack fans weren't into her for her looks, but for the fact that she refused to conform. The tats, the hair, the attitude, the language, it was all there to push people away by saying 'I'm different, now get the F**k out.'. These are all reduced, pushed aside in an obvious attempt to make her more universally appealing. The fact that former haters now love her shows this. Jack was meant to be the marmite of Mass Effect. You either love her or hate her. But now, after attempts to make her universally appealing, she's more of a bland grey nutrient paste, Nothing really to love or hate.

Hmmm, I hadn't considered this, but it does seem like you're right on.  

Noticed a LOT of folks have come around on her in ME3.

Having said that ... I really dug her look in ME3.  Very Post-apocalytpic Mad Maxian.  But, as I'm replaying ME2, I do find myself missing her raw look of that game more and more.  

[WRXtacy]

I liked jack in ME2 apperance wise. But she Definitley to me looks better in ME3. It's probably the hair and the fact that she has something other than leather straps as a top.

[gearseffect]

Don't get me wrong I liked much of Jack's character redesign in ME3. She's got more cloths on, but still has way more skin showing. I liked her leather jacket with the studs it adds her that rebel rocker attitude/vibe she had in ME2.

I just don't like all the extra make up added around her eyes, I feel it's a bit too much. I loved Jack's big doll eyes and their expressions in ME2.

My dislike of Jack's redesign is hard to explain why I don't like it. I can only say much of Jack in ME3 feels like she was toned down to make her more appealing to a larger audience.

Out of all the female characters that got a make over for more sex appeal Jack's is the one that I'm most OK with. The others just felt over the top.

As far as the reasons of Jack not being part of your squad and everyone else reasons, well I've been saying this for sometime now, With Liara's new role as the Shadow Broken she'd be the one character I'd be scared to loose in combat, with all those resources she's got. I mean one would think that if Liara as the Shadow Broker, and Tali as an Admiral, can be a squad mate surely the rest of the ME2 cast could be squad mates.

Sole exception to that is Wrex, I'd have a sh!t fit if he became a full time squad mate.

Oh and Garrus yeah he just had that thing on Palaven to shut him up, and he's still that dude that fallows you around hanging with ya, been that way since ME1 why change it now.

[MattFini]

^ Jack's reasons for not going with you feel pretty thin. Thinner than some of the ones that do go with you, as you said.

Yeah, she's got her kids to look after, but then she's hanging out on the Citadel so ...

At the very least I was hoping she'd show up during Priority: Earth and maybe lay down some biotic bubbles for us as we were trying to cross No Man's Land ... at the very least.

[Premier Bromanov]

MattFini wrote...

^ Jack's reasons for not going with you feel pretty thin. Thinner than some of the ones that do go with you, as you said.

Yeah, she's got her kids to look after, but then she's hanging out on the Citadel so ...

At the very least I was hoping she'd show up during Priority: Earth and maybe lay down some biotic bubbles for us as we were trying to cross No Man's Land ... at the very least.

Nah, they cut all the cool stuff like that out.  You know, stuff where you'd see your decisions having a tangible effect on the war against the Reapers, instead of just being a meta-mechanic that only affects the endings.

[gearseffect]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

MattFini wrote...

^ Jack's reasons for not going with you feel pretty thin. Thinner than some of the ones that do go with you, as you said.

Yeah, she's got her kids to look after, but then she's hanging out on the Citadel so ...

At the very least I was hoping she'd show up during Priority: Earth and maybe lay down some biotic bubbles for us as we were trying to cross No Man's Land ... at the very least.

Nah, they cut all the cool stuff like that out.  You know, stuff where you'd see your decisions having a tangible effect on the war against the Reapers, instead of just being a meta-mechanic that only affects the endings.

Holy crap dudes, I can see it now, You've got Jack and her students doing a Biotic bubble to protect the team trying to reach the Citadel (Like in ME2 collecter base) you've Miranda there offering the same support and Samara there too. The Whole goddamn team would have made it to the Citadel beam, and Harbinger and CO. wouldn't have hit  anyone.

[MattFini]

^ I had high hopes for that.

Even as I was collecting War Assets in ME3 I kept thinking, "I can't wait to see how this'll play out at the end."

WHOOPS!

But yeah, I thought for sure Jack and her biotics would show up to shield us from some of the chaos. I figured Grunt would pop up to help us take down a squad of brutes or banshees. Hoped Zaeed and his mercs would accompany us on our death charge ...

Oh well ...

What are the chances of getting some of this as DLC? Considering her redesign, I'm really hoping for some more of Jack.

In reality:  I might just be happy if there's a cut scene of her yanking my Shep out of the rubble at the very end.  

Modifié par MattFini, 02 mai 2012 - 10:59 .

[Dr_Brilliant]

@MattFini

Jack pulling Shepard up at the end would be good enough for me as well, accompanied by a smart ass remark as well of course.

[DarkPrinceRevan]

gearseffect wrote...

Premier Bromanov wrote...

MattFini wrote...

^ Jack's reasons for not going with you feel pretty thin. Thinner than some of the ones that do go with you, as you said.

Yeah, she's got her kids to look after, but then she's hanging out on the Citadel so ...

At the very least I was hoping she'd show up during Priority: Earth and maybe lay down some biotic bubbles for us as we were trying to cross No Man's Land ... at the very least.

Nah, they cut all the cool stuff like that out.  You know, stuff where you'd see your decisions having a tangible effect on the war against the Reapers, instead of just being a meta-mechanic that only affects the endings.

Holy crap dudes, I can see it now, You've got Jack and her students doing a Biotic bubble to protect the team trying to reach the Citadel (Like in ME2 collecter base) you've Miranda there offering the same support and Samara there too. The Whole goddamn team would have made it to the Citadel beam, and Harbinger and CO. wouldn't have hit  anyone.

heh if Jack were a squadmate id give her that biotic sphere as a power from the resurgence multiplayer pack

[Udalango]

I bet Jack would HATE Javik. Javik would do his Jamaican Voodoo to find out everything about her and she would flipi ish.

I still am so bitter about her not being a Squad mate, but even worse IMO is the fact that if you dont import a character she isnt even in the game. Same with Grunt, and I would assume some others idk really though.

It just seems so unbearably stupid. If you started at ME3 that was a weird decision but if they would have included all those characters that can talk about the second game there is a chance they go buy ME2 its cheating themselves out of money....and why?! UGH

[gearseffect]

Hey hopefully this hasn't been posted here yet, if so Sorry but I saw this and I LOVED IT so much I needed to get it over here ASAP in case it hasn't been linked before, Jack and Shepard cool fan art that made me a bit sad.

http://geirahod.devi...e-end-282800440

[fainmaca]

Udalango wrote...

I bet Jack would HATE Javik. Javik would do his Jamaican Voodoo to find out everything about her and she would flipi ish.

I still am so bitter about her not being a Squad mate, but even worse IMO is the fact that if you dont import a character she isnt even in the game. Same with Grunt, and I would assume some others idk really though.

It just seems so unbearably stupid. If you started at ME3 that was a weird decision but if they would have included all those characters that can talk about the second game there is a chance they go buy ME2 its cheating themselves out of money....and why?! UGH

Oh no. God forbid anyone should feel that they are missing out by not playing the other two games. Didn't you hear? Mass Effect 3 is the BEST place to start playing. Apparently, if you played the other two first, you were just being dumb. ME3 is where it's at, bro! Just like how Return of the Jedi and Dark Of The Moon were the best places to enter the Star Wars and Transformers franchises.
*sarcasm-o-meter overload*
Seriously, though, if you're getting into a franchise by playing the third game instead of the first, you deserve to feel a little lost. As it is, only those who've played the previous games feel a little lost as they're introduced to a familiar-yet-completely-changed universe in bitesize, dumbed down chunks.

[DarkPrinceRevan]

fainmaca wrote...

Oh no. God forbid anyone should feel that they are missing out by not playing the other two games. Didn't you hear? Mass Effect 3 is the BEST place to start playing. Apparently, if you played the other two first, you were just being dumb. ME3 is where it's at, bro! Just like how Return of the Jedi and Dark Of The Moon were the best places to enter the Star Wars and Transformers franchises.
*sarcasm-o-meter overload*
Seriously, though, if you're getting into a franchise by playing the third game instead of the first, you deserve to feel a little lost. As it is, only those who've played the previous games feel a little lost as they're introduced to a familiar-yet-completely-changed universe in bitesize, dumbed down chunks.

yea it never seems like a good idea to start a book towards the end so i dont know why they thought this wouldve worked. i can see how it might've worked if they made the ME2 crew were more integral to the plot like the ME1 crew. most you wont even if see or have ever met in a new game like Jack which is pretty sad. every ME2 party memeber shouldve had the same effect on the story like Mordin did or any other ME1 charcater for that matter, i means whats the point of rounding up the galaxies best specialist if their talents are only good for one suicide mission and theres a suicidal war going on. if their was the same kind of consequences for starting the series here like the suicide mission where you invest all these hours into the characters and their story and your not asured their survival cause you dont have their complete trust and/or your lack of leadership.

i remember playing Ace Combat 5 back on PS2 and was crushed when one of my squad was killed mid mission after spending the majority of the game listening to his banter and investing in his story, then Ace Combat Zero comes around and kills off another wing man at the end of the game but i didnt feel the sense of lost like before because he was introduced in only a handful of missions. most new players will feel like i did in ACZero after playing ME3

[Jonata]

fainmaca wrote...

Oh no. God forbid anyone should feel that they are missing out by not playing the other two games. Didn't you hear? Mass Effect 3 is the BEST place to start playing. Apparently, if you played the other two first, you were just being dumb. ME3 is where it's at, bro! Just like how Return of the Jedi and Dark Of The Moon were the best places to enter the Star Wars and Transformers franchises.
*sarcasm-o-meter overload*
Seriously, though, if you're getting into a franchise by playing the third game instead of the first, you deserve to feel a little lost. As it is, only those who've played the previous games feel a little lost as they're introduced to a familiar-yet-completely-changed universe in bitesize, dumbed down chunks.

 
I'm with you in all your sarchastic anger, but when I saw that Mass Effect 3 sold more than Mass Effect 1 and 2 COMBINED in the very first two weeks after the release I knew that my hope for ME2-based DLCs were just being shattered.

And that's what I hate most of videogames after all: movies never have to explain it all from the beginning again, for every single installment. If you're going to see "Iron Man 2" you know that the "2" in the title means something. But with videogames? Nooooo... every single chapter of a saga need to be disposable for everyone in the freakin' Galaxy... then why the hell bother with sequels at all?

[MattFini]

I think the lack of Jack (and everyone else from ME2) stems more from BioWare's inability (or unwillingness) to carry over everyone from the second game.

They said this decision was so the smaller squad could have more intimate development, but it feels like a cop out to me.

As it stands, the game is light on biotics, especially since Kaidan never survived a single ME1 playthrough of mine. Jack and Miranda would've filled this void quite nicely.

It's also odd that ME3 feels like a step back to ME1 in terms of the characters. Considering that a chunk of PS3 players came into the series with part 2, it seems a foolish move to be so focused on ME1 characters. I mean, NO ME2 squaddies are ever on your team?

At the very least, I wish BioWare had made your ME2 LI a squadmate. If you romance Jack, you get Jack. Went for Miranda, you get her, etc. If you romanced Kelly, she could've just paled around the Normandy in some capacity.

This would've been the best possible way to make everyone happy. One rotating squad slot for an ME2 character. If you didn't romance any of them, maybe you get to choose, or get default Miranda since she was so damn hard to kill in ME2 anyway.

Modifié par MattFini, 03 mai 2012 - 02:07 .

[Premier Bromanov]

@MattFini,
If you romanced no one, you get no one?

Also, I found this to be amusing. The 2-D sprites used on Earth are little Jacks:

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 03 mai 2012 - 02:24 .

[Udalango]

fainmaca wrote...


Oh no. God forbid anyone should feel that they are missing out by not playing the other two games. Didn't you hear? Mass Effect 3 is the BEST place to start playing. Apparently, if you played the other two first, you were just being dumb. ME3 is where it's at, bro! Just like how Return of the Jedi and Dark Of The Moon were the best places to enter the Star Wars and Transformers franchises.
*sarcasm-o-meter overload*
Seriously, though, if you're getting into a franchise by playing the third game instead of the first, you deserve to feel a little lost. As it is, only those who've played the previous games feel a little lost as they're introduced to a familiar-yet-completely-changed universe in bitesize, dumbed down chunks.

Agree 100% and Im angry that those players are the ones who get catered too.  "We will draw in COD fans with multiplayer....cant have them too confused lets dumb down the plot and remove all tie ins to other games."   I very much dislike Vega and want one of the ME2 squaddies back.  

Blech.  But on a happier note.  I love Into the Unknown and love the Jack parts but my favorite part so far has been the part when it was from Legions POV it was awesome and must have been fun to write