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[Richard 060]

Udalango wrote...

fainmaca wrote...


Oh no. God forbid anyone should feel that they are missing out by not playing the other two games. Didn't you hear? Mass Effect 3 is the BEST place to start playing. Apparently, if you played the other two first, you were just being dumb. ME3 is where it's at, bro! Just like how Return of the Jedi and Dark Of The Moon were the best places to enter the Star Wars and Transformers franchises.
*sarcasm-o-meter overload*
Seriously, though, if you're getting into a franchise by playing the third game instead of the first, you deserve to feel a little lost. As it is, only those who've played the previous games feel a little lost as they're introduced to a familiar-yet-completely-changed universe in bitesize, dumbed down chunks.

Agree 100% and Im angry that those players are the ones who get catered too.  "We will draw in COD fans with multiplayer....cant have them too confused lets dumb down the plot and remove all tie ins to other games."   I very much dislike Vega and want one of the ME2 squaddies back.  

Blech.  But on a happier note.  I love Into the Unknown and love the Jack parts but my favorite part so far has been the part when it was from Legions POV it was awesome and must have been fun to write

...and yet, compared to Mass Effect 2 (which I actually started with, and at no point did I feel like I was 'late to the party', struggling to work out what had happened in ME1), Mass Effect 3 does a really bad job when it comes to getting new players up to speed.

On the one hand, you actually get moments like James Vega spouting blatant exposition (noticed this on Palaven in a particularly egregious example), or even Shepard asking stupidly obvious questions to Anderson and Hackett for the sake of recapping the plot thus far - despite the fact that if anyone should know the answers, it'd be Shepard...

Yet on the other, we've got returning characters talking about things from the previous games, as if we're meant to know all the details beforehand (Cerberus' actions in ME2, for one, and Shepard's involvement therein), or just the very presence of such characters, who we're meant to care about 'for some reason' - again, assuming we already know who they are, and why they're important to Shepard.

Even the whole approach of 'Take Back Earth' feels like a needless shift of focus, supposedly to make the game more marketable to new players, despite the fact that Mass Effect has never really dealt with Earth before, and it's fair to say that somewhere like the Citadel is a more important location in the ME universe. For returning gamers, it feels like the game is ignoring the 'save the ENTIRE GALAXY' story arc we've been playing since the beginning - and for newcomers, why wouldn't they want to try to help all galactic civilisation? Why just Earth?


I've said it before, because it's my over-arching gripe about everything in Mass Effect 3: Everything feels like a step backwards in quality from ME2. And not in a 'we've gone back to how things were in ME1' way, which would be acceptable - more a 'it's like a poor imitation of ME2' way. Too late to complain now, I guess, but IMO, it's all rather disappointing when you consider the potential. Heck, just 'more of the same as ME2' would have been amazing. BioWare really could have done with remembering the old adage:


"If it ain't broke, don't 'fix' it. And certainly don't BREAK it..."

Modifié par Richard 060, 03 mai 2012 - 06:38 .

[Richard 060]

...aw, heck - I ranted again. Sorry folks - nothin' to see here...


Thread needs more Jack - found this recently, courtesy of Neehs on DeviantArt. Does some pretty fun (and ever-so-slightly-naughty-in-a-good-way) stuff with extracted models from the game.






Cluck for bugger!

'London Ruins' - Jack version


There's also a bunch of other versions of the same scene, with FemShep and/or the other ME3 LIs (no Jacob or Thane, obviously - more's the pity...) - click linky below:

neehs.deviantart.com

[Dr_Brilliant]

^^^^^^
Se now THAT is what i wanted at the end

[Richard 060]

Dr_Brilliant wrote...

^^^^^^
Se now THAT is what i wanted at the end

Here's hoping for decision-specific epilogues in the EC - showing the ramifications of your choices, your LI, the rest of the crew, your allies, etc.

Apart from anything else, something to show how the Catalyst decision plays out - what's the point in making a choice if the outcome we get (shown on-screen) is effectively the same in all instances?


Of course, plot logic and a more convicing origin/motivation for the Catalyst that doesn't totally ****** all over the plot of ME1/2 would have to come first...

Modifié par Richard 060, 03 mai 2012 - 08:19 .

[fainmaca]

Udalango wrote...
Agree 100% and Im angry that those players are the ones who get catered too.  "We will draw in COD fans with multiplayer....cant have them too confused lets dumb down the plot and remove all tie ins to other games."   I very much dislike Vega and want one of the ME2 squaddies back.  

Blech.  But on a happier note.  I love Into the Unknown and love the Jack parts but my favorite part so far has been the part when it was from Legions POV it was awesome and must have been fun to write

I feel your pain, man. I feel your pain. I am not and never will be a COD player, so seeing the game reduced to mindless shooting with a little story draped over it like a teatowel on a hippo's arse is very disappointing. KOTOR had a better experience (And it had Jack's VA, to sweeten the deal!).

As for ITU, do you mean during the raid on Victor Lawson's manor? That was fun to write, as was the chance to give every character a moment in their viewpoint. Took me a month and a half, though.

Richard 060 wrote...

...and yet, compared to Mass Effect 2 (which I actually started with, and at no point did I feel like I was 'late to the party', struggling to work out what had happened in ME1), Mass Effect 3 does a really bad job when it comes to getting new players up to speed.

On the one hand, you actually get moments like James Vega spouting blatant exposition (noticed this on Palaven in a particularly egregious example), or even Shepard asking stupidly obvious questions to Anderson and Hackett for the sake of recapping the plot thus far - despite the fact that if anyone should know the answers, it'd be Shepard...

Yet on the other, we've got returning characters talking about things from the previous games, as if we're meant to know all the details beforehand (Cerberus' actions in ME2, for one, and Shepard's involvement therein), or just the very presence of such characters, who we're meant to care about 'for some reason' - again, assuming we already know who they are, and why they're important to Shepard.

Even the whole approach of 'Take Back Earth' feels like a needless shift of focus, supposedly to make the game more marketable to new players, despite the fact that Mass Effect has never really dealt with Earth before, and it's fair to say that somewhere like the Citadel is a more important location in the ME universe. For returning gamers, it feels like the game is ignoring the 'save the ENTIRE GALAXY' story arc we've been playing since the beginning - and for newcomers, why wouldn't they want to try to help all galactic civilisation? Why just Earth?


I've said it before, because it's my over-arching gripe about everything in Mass Effect 3: Everything feels like a step backwards in quality from ME2. And not in a 'we've gone back to how things were in ME1' way, which would be acceptable - more a 'it's like a poor imitation of ME2' way. Too late to complain now, I guess, but IMO, it's all rather disappointing when you consider the potential. Heck, just 'more of the same as ME2' would have been amazing. BioWare really could have done with remembering the old adage:


"If it ain't broke, don't 'fix' it. And certainly don't BREAK it..."

This. Quoting this for truth. They tried to provide plenty of exposition for newcomers, but it was just painfully clumsy, and moments they didn't want to exposition were removed for non-importers and given minimal impact for importers.

Ultimately, I think ME3 was rushed, and they chickened out with the bolder things they could have done with it to truly blaze a trail unlike any other game in history. They could have redefined gaming, instead they gave us generic grey mush.

Anyway! Back to Jack matters. I want to once more point out my Jack-centric fic, Ink. Nobody's left a review on the latest chapter, so get your asses on over there!

[fainmaca]

Also, stop posting pictures of that dancing Jack! I'm running out of socks over here.....

[lillitheris]

So, uh, I'm writing a story and I find myself with Jack/Vega.

Is this a thing?

[fainmaca]

On the internet, anything is a thing.

Personally, I can't see it, but if done right it could be convincing.

Then again, Jack is my Shepard's girl, so Vega can keep his greasy mitts to himself.

[KingNothing125]

Speaking of Jack and Vega, I find it most amusing that if you bring Vega along to Grissom Academy on a non-romanced Shepard, Vega says "I dunno, Loco, I kinda like her."

And Jack, who responds to Garrus, EDI, Liara, even Javik, doesn't say one word to Vega. lol. Completely brushes him off. She skips right to the "OK, the only thing I care about right now is getting my guys out of here" conversation.

[Udalango]

Im on my phone so forgive mistakes.
But yes the raid on Lawson. Grunt and Legion's Point of View sections were incredibly entertaining.

Also that pictue....oh mah gawd!

[Rip504]

Jack is a beast,and I love her new look in ME3.

[Nightfable]

Mah next chapter is uploaded! --> http://www.fanfictio...Never_Let_Me_Go

I apologize in advance if its badly written...

(btw, I'm writing an "extention" to the love scene of my last chapter with erm.. more details. Will be uploading that soon enough)


Excerpt:

The brute came, charging at him once again, snarling and full set of
sharp pointy teeth exposed. Commander Shepard planned on slashing at the
beast's abdomen after ducking under its arm swipes. If he could dig his
omni blade into a critical organ, his chances of fatally injuring it
would greatly increase.

He was counting down the seconds before he
would make his move, the large mass of dark muscles coming at him at an
alarming speed.

5... 4... 3... 2... -

Out of the blue, a huge tremor began shaking the ground violently under his feet.

Kalros!

Losing his footing, Shepard didn't have time to duck out of the way. His
shields were quickly overcome by the brunt force of the attack, claws
digging into his armor and reaching his flesh. He was knocked to the
ground, the air drawn out of his lungs.

The brute ran further up ahead, caught in its momentum.

A blue biotic field took hold of it, immobilising the brute for a
split-second, it then shook it off, like a dog getting rid of fleas and
the field dissipated.

"My biotic Pull failed!"

"No ****! Try something more direct, next time!"

Breathing through his teeth from the pain in his side Shepard shifted his body
over to see Jack fully glowing with blue biotic fire pulsating around
her slender body. Her arms raised high above her head, the strain and
deep concentration was visible on her face.

"Eat this, you ****er!"

Modifié par Nightfable, 04 mai 2012 - 06:07 .

[KyreneZA]

Dr_Brilliant wrote...

@MattFini

Jack pulling Shepard up at the end would be good enough for me as well, accompanied by a smart ass remark as well of course.

And just how much effort would it be to do that for the EC DLC? Or if you die, have her image i.s.o. stupid Liara?!? I'm playing MP until the DLC and then will restart my canon Jack's Shepard.

[Zall]

This has been bothering for almost a year, so please do sate my curiosity.

Are Jackolytes mostly male or female?

I had the impression, that many men find her too abrasive and that it's usually women who are most vocal about their love for Jack.

[General Skidog]

Im a dude, and i freaking love Jack.

[Nightfable]

General Skidog wrote...

Im a dude, and i freaking love Jack.

I'm a gal and I freaking love Jack!

[fainmaca]

dude here.

[Nightfable]

Oh my gosh, this fanfic here is both disturbing and hilarious at the same time! It's written by the author of Hunted: Subject Zero. I just have to share it with you! XD

Assuming Direct Control --> http://www.fanfictio..._Direct_Control


Excerpt:

"I'm yours!" Jack echoed incredulously.Shepard nodded.

"Yep. You're mine, Jack. I'm Commander Shepard, in case you forgot. I
take what I want." She smiled and ran the back of her hand gently along
Jack's cheek. "And for the last few months, the only thing I've wanted
is you. Is it so much to ask? I am saving the galaxy, after all."

Jack shook her head, dumbfounded. "I... God dammit, Shepard! I'm a person! You can't just do this to me!"

Modifié par Nightfable, 04 mai 2012 - 04:28 .

[Nightfable]

I'm working on my Jack mini-comic today and have started writing my next chapter... AND I'm drinking coffee an am hyped up on caffeine! XD Life is great!

[Udalango]

Men find her too abrasive? Dudes are wusses sometimes.
But im a dude and I love Jack in a totally creepy build a Hey Arnold style shrine of her way haha

[KingNothing125]

Dude here also, unhealthy infatuation with Jack.

On a somewhat tangentially related note, who are your canon/favorite romances in other BioWare games? Is there a pattern? Mine are Jack, Morrigan and Isabela (ME and DA are the only BioWare franchises I've played for any considerable length of time). I appear to be a sucker for the hard-to-get tsundere ladies

[WRXtacy]

I'm a guy also. And love Jack...don't know why you think Jack is to abrasive for most men lol. She's a bad b*tch. I love it.

Modifié par WRXtacy, 04 mai 2012 - 07:13 .

[MattFini]

Zall wrote...

This has been bothering for almost a year, so please do sate my curiosity.

Are Jackolytes mostly male or female?

I had the impression, that many men find her too abrasive and that it's usually women who are most vocal about their love for Jack.

Male Jackolyte here.  

[Premier Bromanov]

Zall wrote...

This has been bothering for almost a year, so please do sate my curiosity.

Are Jackolytes mostly male or female?

I had the impression, that many men find her too abrasive and that it's usually women who are most vocal about their love for Jack.

I'm male. 

Can you please explain your line of reasoning?

Edited to be less abrasive.

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 04 mai 2012 - 08:49 .

[Padt]

KingNothing125 wrote...

Dude here also, unhealthy infatuation with Jack.

On a somewhat tangentially related note, who are your canon/favorite romances in other BioWare games? Is there a pattern? Mine are Jack, Morrigan and Isabela (ME and DA are the only BioWare franchises I've played for any considerable length of time). I appear to be a sucker for the hard-to-get tsundere ladies

Jack, Morrigan and Isabela (and Ashley) for me, as well.

I've said before that when it comes to women, I sometimes seem to drawn to the more abrasive types, and I guess that holds true as far as BioWare love interests is concerned (not that Isabela is all that abrasive when compared to the others. I guess it follows that she's perhaps my least favorite love interest in that group. I do wish I could've romanced Aveline).