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[General Skidog]

I've always thought that Jack has a strong resemblance to Vikki Blows. Shes an alternative model from the UK.

Modifié par General Skidog, 14 mai 2012 - 02:41 .

[Jonata]

 I remember someone from BioWare saying, prior to the release of Mass Effect 2, that her looks were inspired by Natalie Portman's Evey from V for Vendetta:



Obviously Natalie Portman wasn't face-scanned or written in the game's credits, but I'm pretty sure she's the main reference for Jack's face. Maybe they found someone who looked like Natalie Portman and then edited her face for the in-game model.

Modifié par Jonata, 14 mai 2012 - 02:53 .

[Premier Bromanov]

Jonata wrote...

 I remember someone from BioWare saying, prior to the release of Mass Effect 2, that she was inspired by Natalie Portman's portrait of Evey from V for Vendetta:

Obviously Natalie Portman wasn't face-scanned or written in the game's credtis, but I'm pretty sure she's the main reference for Jack's face. Maybe they found someone who looked like Natalie Portman and then edited her face for the in-game model.

"Inspired by" doesn't necessarily translate to "the face model of".  They could have been looking for an androgynous face with hints of feminine features, and found that Natalie Portman in that movie fit what they were looking for. 

Also, the N7 CE art book for ME3 states that Jack has a single face-model, so, she's out there, somewhere.

[StefanBW]

I forgot what a pain it can be to pose in Gmod. I wanted her left hand to be on the handgrip but the game just wouldn't let me. <_<

[Premier Bromanov]

I've seen some hilarious use of GMOD and XNALara to make Jack do silly things.  Also, some lewd things.

Why does Jack look so awesome holding an AK-47?  <3

[KingNothing125]

I agree with a commenter on DeviantArt (and it might be someone from here on BSN, I can't remember) who said Jack art is the best, because Jack artists are dedicated.

You have to be dedicated to do Jack justice, because there is a ton of detail work that goes into making a faithful Jack rendition. I greatly admire and respect people who can draw Jack well, because I'm sure it takes a ton of time and effort. (That's also why I usually skip over all the Garry's Mod-posed-3D-model stuff).

[Jonata]

Jackolytes, I wanted to ask your personal thoughts about a non-romance-related question that's buggering me since ME2. 

How exactly powerful is Jack?

During the Suicide Mission it is stated, when you're about to choose who's gonna keep the biotic barrier against the Collectors' swarms, that she's "the most powerful biotic human in the Galaxy" and that kind of goes without saying, but what about comparing her to Asari standars? 

She's the only one who can match Samara's powers, yet Samara is an almighty Justicar who trained her biotic powers for centuries, while Jack use her own just acting by instinct, screaming and punching heavy mech like they're a bunch of flies. 

It is possible that she actually has the biggest biotic potential in the entire Galaxy? And if so, why the hell the Alliance decided to not use her in the London vanguard as support to Shepard and his/her team? I know that she probably wanted to be closer to her students but I believe she would have accepted to be next to the Commander...

Modifié par Jonata, 14 mai 2012 - 11:25 .

[KingNothing125]

Well we kinda get conflicting reports about her biotic power. Her ME2 recruitment dossier says she's "potentially the most powerful human biotic ever encountered". Her ME3 war asset, on the other hand, says she's one of the most powerful biotics, period.

Despite my raging fandom for Jack, and my overall "meh" attitude towards Samara, I would concede that in a fight between them, I think Samara would probably win due to her centuries of experience and wisdom. She would probably use sleight of hand to draw Jack into a trap and "checkmate". Or Samara could just rely on her centuries of conditioning and outlast Jack. Jack would probably tire out after a while.

But limiting the discussion to just their peak power potential, I think they're about equal (it's kind of a copout to mention the Long Walk, but it does show them to have similar abilities). Where Samara is an Asari who has honed her craft over centuries, Jack was simply engineered to be a biotic weapon. On top of showing unusually high biotic potential as a child (the reason she was abducted to begin with), she's also been loaded up with an unknown number of cutting-edge biotic amps.

I think if Jack was tutored by Samara, she could surpass her. Especially if she had Samara's lifespan.

[Jonata]

I think if Jack was tutored by Samara, she could surpass her.

I smell one hell of a story there...

Modifié par Jonata, 15 mai 2012 - 12:03 .

[KingNothing125]

Indeed, that would be quite the story. One intriguing aspect of that story would be how the whole Justicar code must-kill-evildoers problem gets resolved. Jack's done some pretty messed up things.

[Premier Bromanov]

Jonata wrote...

Jackolytes, I wanted to ask your personal thoughts about a non-romance-related question that's buggering me since ME2. 

How exactly powerful is Jack?

During the Suicide Mission it is stated, when you're about to choose who's gonna keep the biotic barrier against the Collectors' swarms, that she's "the most powerful biotic human in the Galaxy" and that kind of goes without saying, but what about comparing her to Asari standars? 

She's the only one who can match Samara's powers, yet Samara is an almighty Justicar who trained her biotic powers for centuries, while Jack use her own just acting by instinct, screaming and punching heavy mech like they're a bunch of flies. 

It is possible that she actually has the biggest biotic potential in the entire Galaxy? And if so, why the hell the Alliance decided to not use her in the London vanguard as support to Shepard and his/her team? I know that she probably wanted to be closer to her students but I believe she would have accepted to be next to the Commander...

I like to think that Jack is the most powerful human biotic.  This is because I have no problem with Shepard being surpassed by his/her squadmates in terms of power and skill.  Overall, I can't stand "all-powerful" protagonists. 

With that out of the way, I think Jack is the most powerful human biotic.  She was chosen by Cerberus because of her high biotic potential.  I think that it's Jack's unique implants that make her so powerful, though.  If you remember this "neural degeneration" thing mentioned in ME2, I think that Jack may not have any upper-level on her biotic power, but exceeding a safe capacity burns out her nervous system.  So, she can trade power for her health.  Of course, this isn't sustainable in the long run.  She might eventually suffer from Alzheimer's-like symptoms.  Technically, all human biotics experience "neural degeneration", but Jack's might be unique.  She can put hers to use, and suffer, or not, and live a long, healthy life at Shepard's side, mental fitness intact.

I think that Jack's power is devastating and unfocused, and Samara's power is precise and proportional.  I don't think Samara would be at all impressed by "devastating and unfocused".  I also don't think Samara would agree to train Jack.  They'd be at odds so much.

As for why Jack wasn't with Shepard on Earth, well, that's because tons of content was cut out to simplify the London battle.  Look at all of that dialogue that wasn't used.  The Geth Prime Squadron, for example.  We were originally going to see our war assets working in our favor on the streets of London.  That was cut out, though.  Now all we get is some meta-mechanic number that somehow makes the Crucible work better, or whatever their explanation is.

Disappointing.  <_<

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 15 mai 2012 - 01:18 .

[Jonata]

Premier Bromanov wrote...
She was chosen by Cerberus because of her high biotic potential.  I think that it's Jack's unique implants that make her so powerful, though.  If you remember this "neural degeneration" thing mentioned in ME2, I think that Jack may not have any upper-level on her biotic power, but exceeding a safe capacity burns out her nervous system.  So, she can trade power for her health. 

This actually is the best explanation for her neural degeneration problem and creates a pretty cool answer to the question. Probably the Pragia's experiments gave her (who was sort of unique even before thanks to her high biotic potential at birth) unlimited biotic powers, but when she uses them above a certain substainable level, her brains enter in a critical fase and she need some cooling time or she will permanently damage her neurons, losing memory or who knows what else.

It's sort of how Marvel Comics' Taskmaster's brain works... he has "photographic reflexes" thanks to which he can instantly learn anything, from a fighting technique to how to fly a plane, but his own memory starts to be erased when he reaches capacity.

[Premier Bromanov]

I wanted to write (or read) a long-term fic where Shepard and Jack deal with the problem of her neural degeneration. This would take place after they have been together for a long time. Jack somehow learns of her neural degeneration, and she talks to Shepard about treating it. Doctors tell them that the only way to halt it before it gets worse is to remove Jack's implants. The surgical process of removing implants from humans has a 90% lethality rate. So, Jack and Shepard have to brave the risk, or deal with Jack getting worse as she ages. Then, there's the issue Jack has with doctors and surgery. Shepard has to comfort her through that, reassuring her that he'll be watching the whole time during surgery, to make sure that the doctors don't do anything they're not supposed to. That's the trust issue. If I were to write it, the story would have two diverging paths - one where Jack dies from the surgery, and Shepard grieves, and one where Jack lives, and this fic segues in to another fic that deals with Jack and Shepard living together long after the Reaper War has ended.

Sad, dramatic stuff.

[Dr. Doctor]

With Jack constantly increasing in power her implants might stop acting as amplifiers and more as limiters. She can only put out as much energy as the amps can handle, thus keeping her from burning out her nervous system.

[Padt]

Jonata wrote...

Jackolytes, I wanted to ask your personal thoughts about a non-romance-related question that's buggering me since ME2. 

How exactly powerful is Jack?

During the Suicide Mission it is stated, when you're about to choose who's gonna keep the biotic barrier against the Collectors' swarms, that she's "the most powerful biotic human in the Galaxy" and that kind of goes without saying, but what about comparing her to Asari standars? 

She's the only one who can match Samara's powers, yet Samara is an almighty Justicar who trained her biotic powers for centuries, while Jack use her own just acting by instinct, screaming and punching heavy mech like they're a bunch of flies. 

It is possible that she actually has the biggest biotic potential in the entire Galaxy? And if so, why the hell the Alliance decided to not use her in the London vanguard as support to Shepard and his/her team? I know that she probably wanted to be closer to her students but I believe she would have accepted to be next to the Commander...

This sort of discussion is always going to be a bit abstract, since there's no clear, hard metric to measure biotic power, but I've always assumed that Jack is likely more powerful than your average asari biotic user, but not really as powerful as an asari matriarch (so, not on the level of Samara or Benezia). The Long Walk can be a bit deceptive in that while Jack and Samara are the only two squadmates who can escort Shepard and the team all the way through, thus establishing their superiority, the other biotics on the team (Miranda, Jacob and Thane) all come fairly close. Moreover, I think it's worth considering that Jack and Samara can also fail to escort the team safely if they lack the proper concentration derived from successfully completing their loyalty missions.

So, yeah. I think Jack is certainly above most other biotic squadmates in terms of power level, but perhaps not by as wide a margin as it might be impressed upon one at first glance (from things like, say, the cutscene where she escapes from captivity, or the descriptions that label her the most powerful human biotic alive). We know she's above Miranda, Jacob and Thane, and my assumption is that she's above Kaidan, Liara and Shepard as well, but probably not above Samara and Morinth (I don't know how she'd measure against Wrex or Javik).

Naturally, I don't mean this to come across as belitting Jack or anything. A human being more powerful than an asari in terms of biotics is, after all, a pretty big deal. Kaidan is also a very powerful human biotic, for example, and he's only "roughly" on par with an asari. Moreover, of all the biotic squadmates, Jack is also the youngest. She's only 24 by the time of ME2, while Jacob is 28, Shepard is (technically) 29, Kaidan is 34, Miranda is 35, Thane is 39 and Liara is 106. And (again, going by my assumptions) Jack outclasses all of them. One would assume that her powers will only develop more over the years.

[Padt]

Also, while we're here, I feel compelled to post a couple Jack-related things I've found on Tumblr over the last few days.

A familiar form:



And here's a pretty cool edit that I liked quite a lot. Very grim and mysterious:

Modifié par Padt, 15 mai 2012 - 05:46 .

[Jonata]

Padt wrote...

Also, while we're here, I feel compelled to post a couple Jack-related things I've found on Tumblr over the last few days.

A familiar form:

*picture removed*

And here's a pretty cool edit that I liked quite a lot. Very grim and mysterious:

*picture removed*

I will never understand why a Biotic Vanguard like her would use a Widow (its more likely that Jack would smash that rifle in people's face instead of actually shooting them), but that rendering of the Artbook picture is really cool... the second one, though, is amazing. It reminds me of a very cool picture of her from which I created a poster to hang in my room last year.

Modifié par Jonata, 15 mai 2012 - 01:19 .

[Makaveli The Don]

The more I see Jack with that sniper, the more I think she should've been a squadmate. Damn.

[Jonata]

Makaveli The Don wrote...

The more I see Jack with that sniper, the more I think she should've been a squadmate. Damn.

I'll still hope for a LotSB-like DLC at least until next summer. A man can dream, right? 

[Premier Bromanov]

Jack wouldn't even be able to fire that gun without breaking her arms, right? I guess it's to make her look badass. But she can look plenty badass wielding a huge biotic orb in each hand. I don't know.

[garrusfan1]

Jonata wrote...

I think if Jack was tutored by Samara, she could surpass her.

I smell one hell of a story there...

dude that would be awesome

[DarkPrinceRevan]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Jack wouldn't even be able to fire that gun without breaking her arms, right? I guess it's to make her look badass. But she can look plenty badass wielding a huge biotic orb in each hand. I don't know.

speaking of that i always wondered if someone could use their biotics sort of like a buffer when firing big weapons