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[Premier Bromanov]

The only hairstyles for Jack that are acceptable are ones that complement her features, not distract from them. -nods-

[Jonata]

Sundown Native wrote...

 You know what, I keep seeing these pictures and fics about a pregnant Jack, or just something along the lines of being a mother...

I just can't see it, anymore. If I ever did. One of the reasons is this.

Shepard's known her for like, a year, right? Probably less than. The exact amount of days was either never elaborated on, or I just missed it. Anyway, Shepard's not even in her presence -- or vice versa -- for what I believe is a majority of that year. He's been in an Alliance prison.

Now granted, given her current position as a instructor in an Alliance program/school, Jack probably could have visited him. Keyword being "probably". But she didn't. So that's like six months of just memories.

Then you have the damn Reaper War, and the fact that Shepard probably dies in all of the endings. Assuming we all choose the destroy option -- since that's obviously the only way Shepard survives the whole thing -- even then, he has to go through therapy of some sort to get back into fighting shape, and that's not counting the amount of days, months, or even years he's going to have to spend bed ridden.

I'd understand giving it some thought, or even having the sh*t accidentally happen. but Shepard's...Shepard's probably going to either too damn old or too damn busy to even treat the topic as an afterthought.

And I honestly don't think Jack would care.

Pretty much what I believe. Jack and Shepard are an awesome couple, both have a lot of scars and both of them probably just want to relax after defeating the Reapers, providing Shep survives in the Destroy ending. But that doesn't mean they will actually start a family. It's more likely they will spend their last day at the Academy teaching and enjoying some peace at last.

[KingNothing125]

Preggers art and fanfic kinda creeps me out, lol.

I wouldn't rule it out completely, but I think if it does happen, it's way down the line... several years at least.

[Padt]

No kids. No marriage, either, at least not beyond a formality.

We still trawling for art, by the way?

[Udalango]

Man the eyes on that second picture. She could get me to do like anything.

[Premier Bromanov]

Assuming that Jack isn't sterile, she's still a female human biotic, which would mean she would have incredible trouble getting pregnant and carrying a child to term in the first place. If Jack were to become pregnant by it "just happening", it would be a miracle, along with her not experiencing awful complications. Either way, I describe their love as informal to its core, so I think that if she were to become pregnant, it would "just happen", but not be an accident, if that makes any sense.

Anyway, I'm writing something about mom Jack because I wanted to see how it might turn out. Creative writing. It takes place 5+ years after ME3. I thought she would be an effortless mother in private, and a nervous wreck mother in public. She'd be extremely overprotective.

[Udalango]

Oh god. Could you imagine her as the mother of a gir/boy you were dating? Scaryy

[Padt]

Another one of these, for good measure.



EDIT: 
Oh, and a Jack micro.



(Not sure where I found this one. If anyone could point me to a source to credit, it'd be appreciated) 

Modifié par Padt, 19 mai 2012 - 02:03 .

[Udalango]

I am seriously bugged by all the people that like Jack all of a sudden now that ME3 changed her.
You didnt like he in the second game so you prolly didnt go talk to her all that often. so you dont KNOW anything about her. You know that you didnt like her because she was bald and tatted...and vulgar. They are incredibly shallow ugh

[DarkPrinceRevan]

someone on tv tropes brought up an interesting debate about Shepard's cybernetic implants could make him biologically immortal if their carefully maintained. i wonder if that were possible how would Jack feel about Shepard being potentially ageless

Edit: well then again his synthetic parts are most likely damaged beyond repair after surviving the destroy ending anyway

Modifié par DarkPrinceRevan, 19 mai 2012 - 04:26 .

[Premier Bromanov]

Eh. They replace what was lost and keep his organs working. Other implants make him physically tougher, but tough people age just the same. Senescence will take him. I like to think that the implants just gave him back the two years that he lost.

[spirosz]

Sundown Native wrote...

Two words. "Hair" and "Clothes"

If the lack of either bothered you in the second, you're not a real Jackolyte.

I'll admit, I see it this way, sometimes.



EDIT: Someone I know just posted something I can almost HEAR Jack say.

Something along the lines of:

"I'm not a second option. You either choose me or you ****ing lose me."



Back to lurking, now.

Word, that's how I feel.  She is still the same person, regardless of hair or whatever.  

Still, it's nice to know she is still getting love, but I don't like the "She's got hair now = badass."

[lillitheris]

Udalango wrote...

I am seriously bugged by all the people that like Jack all of a sudden now that ME3 changed her.
You didnt like he in the second game so you prolly didnt go talk to her all that often. so you dont KNOW anything about her. You know that you didnt like her because she was bald and tatted...and vulgar. They are incredibly shallow ugh

I don’t think that’s entirely fair. The character development at the end of ME2 and in ME3 is fairly reasonable, I think.

ME2 on the ship she was also a touch overboard for me. Not in the sense that emo grimdark people like that don’t exist, but that people with non-imaginary problems usually don’t act that way. I liked to think that the Jack who came on the missions with me in ME2 was the ‘real’ Jack.

Of course disclaimer is that being a girl I didn’t have her as a romance option, just as a reluctant friend

Modifié par lillitheris, 19 mai 2012 - 10:13 .

[kumquats]

lillitheris wrote...
Not in the sense that emo grimdark people like that don’t exist, but that people with non-imaginary problems usually don’t act that way.

She was raised without LOVE. It's not a myth that children need love and need human touch, to have a normal development. It's sadly proven in horrible experiments, what happens when baby monkeys are raised without love and in isolation.

Jack isn't 100% isolated, when she is together with other children, she is forced to fight them. When she is together with adults, they do experiments on her.
I think the greatest emotional attachment Jack ever experienced, was that table in her cell.

In my opinion, Jack is a very well adjusted woman, with that background.
And no, not every person would behave like that, every human behaves differently. That's what the Aresh plot is for, to show that other children on Pragia, went completely insane.

The only fair thing I can say is, that without playing Jack's romance plot, the player never sees the real Jack. But that happened to every character in ME2.

Modifié par kumquats, 19 mai 2012 - 11:05 .

[fainmaca]

ME2 Jack > ME3 Jack IMO.

The fact that so many people are basically saying 'Jack has hair now, so I don't hate her anymore' irks me a bit. It makes the change feel like an attempt to fit in, something I don't think Jack would do. I've said it before, but I loved how her in-game method of polarising those around her into 'love her/ hate her' portions was reflected out of game with the fanbase. She achieved with real people what she was trying to do with the fictional characters around her- push away those who weren't ready to give her a bit more time and understanding, those who didn't want to put in the effort to uncover the 'real' Jack behind the 'big tower of sh*t' she built up. Those people weren't worth her time, and would probably just be looking to use her like everyone she'd known before. That is what I thought made her the most powerful character of the second game- By achieving her goals out of game as well as in-game, she became much more real. Now she's suddenly not doing that anymore.

[lillitheris]

kumquats wrote...

lillitheris wrote...
Not in the sense that emo grimdark people like that don’t exist, but that people with non-imaginary problems usually don’t act that way.

She was raised without LOVE. It's not a myth that children need love and need human touch, to have a normal development. It's sadly proven in horrible experiments, what happens when baby monkeys are raised without love and in isolation.

Jack isn't 100% isolated, when she is together with other children, she is forced to fight them. When she is together with adults, they do experiments on her.
I think the greatest emotional attachment Jack ever experienced, was that table in her cell.

In my opinion, Jack is a very well adjusted woman, with that background.
And no, not every person would behave like that, every human behaves differently. That's what the Aresh plot is for, to show that other children on Pragia, went completely insane.

Yes, I know, I played the game

I don’t want to get into an argument about about subjective interpretation, but my opinion is that the writers did a disservice to the character by overemphasizing the angst to an almost cliché level, and removed a lot of nuance. This is especially evident in contrast to the Jack that comes along to the hubs or missions (others than Pragia, too).

I guess my objection could be summarized that I don’t think everyone necessarily snubbed Jack because she was bald, or vulgar, angry and confrontational, but because they thought she came across as a fake.

[Jonata]

lillitheris wrote...
Not in the sense that emo grimdark people like that don’t exist, but that people with non-imaginary problems usually don’t act that way.
Yes, I know, I played the game

I don’t want to get into an argument about about subjective interpretation, but my opinion is that the writers did a disservice to the character by overemphasizing the angst to an almost cliché level, and removed a lot of nuance. This is especially evident in contrast to the Jack that comes along to the hubs or missions (others than Pragia, too).

I guess my objection could be summarized that I don’t think everyone necessarily snubbed Jack because she was bald, or vulgar, angry and confrontational, but because they thought she came across as a fake.

THIS HURTS ME.

When M2 came out, I was actually the only one of my friends to like her. Although, most of my friends dind't hate her because of bald hair or vulgarity, but because of "she's the cliche bad girl"... and that's not true!

You cannot apply to a woman like her the way of life of silly teenagers of today. It's not like "I'm a goth because society is bad" and all that BS. It's about overcoming pain the way you feel more organic, trying to fight for your sanity everyday without losing your soul. She don't say "f*ck" as an act against society and she doesn't tats herself because she think it's an act of revenge against those who hurt her in the past. She's like that, period. And she is angry and "inside a shell" because that's what her life made her become... The way she cope with pain? Killing. "Every time someone dies I feel my chance of surviving goes up". That's how I see it, at least... I'm saying it's the only way to see her. But.. 

...there could be many points of view about why Jack is what she is during ME2, and how she actually is, but she has one of the most compelling personality of the entire trilogy and one of the best character arc, so you cannot say she is a cliche or an "emo grimdark" girl (jeez!), that means you do not understood the character behind her attitude. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's simply not right and kind of shallow.

Modifié par Jonata, 19 mai 2012 - 01:53 .

[fainmaca]

lillitheris wrote...
I guess my objection could be summarized that I don’t think everyone necessarily snubbed Jack because she was bald, or vulgar, angry and confrontational, but because they thought she came across as a fake.

This is a point where I think an expanded friendship path open to FemSheps/ non-romance MaleSheps would have helped the character a lot. If you do a MaleShep romance with her, you eventually learn that what FemSheps get is fake. She puts that angsty/ aggressive wall up because she doesn't want to deal with anyone/leave herself open to betrayal.

[Jonata]

fainmaca wrote...

lillitheris wrote...
I guess my objection could be summarized that I don’t think everyone necessarily snubbed Jack because she was bald, or vulgar, angry and confrontational, but because they thought she came across as a fake.

This is a point where I think an expanded friendship path open to FemSheps/ non-romance MaleSheps would have helped the character a lot. If you do a MaleShep romance with her, you eventually learn that what FemSheps get is fake. She puts that angsty/ aggressive wall up because she doesn't want to deal with anyone/leave herself open to betrayal.

Well I think it's more logical that way. An expanded friendship path would have deprived the romance option of deep. Getting to know her more, to help her overcome her terrible past standing by her side is what made Jack's romance so special, probably more than any other. It's not about adding "love" to friendship, si about walking that extra mile inside her troubled mind to genuinely help her. That's why she's the only one to have a "Paragon Romance" instead of a simple romance.

It's true that this actually strip the FemShep-Jack relationship of something important but, again, it's better this way: making Jack bisexual would have been an obvious fan-service, other than making her a boys' cliche: the bi-curious girl with eyeliner and a bad attitued. Jack's a lot more than that.

[fainmaca]

Jonata wrote...

Well I think it's more logical that way. An expanded friendship path would have deprived the romance option of deep. Getting to know her more, to help her overcome her terrible past standing by her side is what made Jack's romance so special, probably more than any other. It's not about adding "love" to friendship, si about walking that extra mile inside her troubled mind to genuinely help her. That's why she's the only one to have a "Paragon Romance" instead of a simple romance.

It's true that this actually strip the FemShep-Jack relationship of something important but, again, it's better this way: making Jack bisexual would have been an obvious fan-service, other than making her a boys' cliche: the bi-curious girl with eyeliner and a bad attitued. Jack's a lot more than that.

I guess you are right with that. I am glad Jack's romance is the most complicated one in the franchise. And it does make for replay value. Take note, Bioware- denying us content because of previous choices is not a bad thing!