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[Seifer006]

Slurms McKenzie wrote...

This thread is for Jack appreciators everywhere!

Jackolytes and newbies are welcome, trolls are not. If you are a troll, kindly vacate the premises.

Good Luck and Stay Safe

Just curious,

is there any support group on BSN that are trying to bring more "closure" or having Subject Zer0 as a squadmate?
I did an entire playthrough in ME2 with Jack and Samara as squadmates.

there great. As with Wrex and Grunt. So if there's any groups out there. I want in.

[Premier Bromanov]

Sundown Native wrote...

Because of the potential long distance relationship, no doubt.

Possibly, but I don't think she'd consider anything serious with anyone, now that she's a teacher.  This is only talking about relationships, though.

[sUiCiDeKiNgS13]

Jack is awesome.That is all

[ubermensch007]

You know -- it really is almost  unforgivable that I have posted so little (if ever at all) in this thread. Considering that Jack is my favorite character in the Mass Effect Franchise other than Commander Shepard and she is my FAVORITE Love Interest of Sheps.

This is a thing that I shall have to rectify. There's so much to say about this character.From how BioWare came to create her -- from the similarties that she has to Ashley Williams of ME1 and how many ways they differ.To what she says about the strength of the human spirit.Her fierce will to live inspite of all that she has suffered is so admirable, compelling and inspiring.That my Shepard is more in awe of her on account of this.Than how impressed he was at how quickly she took out four or five Heavy Mechs at Purgatory, when he first met her!

Commander Shepard and Subject Zero make one hell of a power couple. On one side you have the first human Spectre - Hero of the Citadel - humanities favorite son. And on the other side you have.The most powerful human biotic of all time.Leader of the Biotic Artillary Squad. Instructor at Grissom Academy.

There both essentially demi-gods or superheroes.That's one thing my Shep wanted to say to Jack when he meet her at the bar Purgatory in ME3: when she was telling him of how her team saved thousands of turian civillian lives on Palaven and kicked some major Reaper ass.

Shepard beams at Jack and moves close to her and says, "My girlfriends a superhero. That's kind of hot. Jack laughs, smiles and blushes a bit. And for a rare moment Jack who next to always has something to say.Seems to have forgotten how to speak. Then she says to Shepard, " Yeah. I guess your right. if the shoe fits." Jack then looks Shepard in the eyes and says, "But if that's what I am Shepard.Whatever is above a superhero is what you are." Shepard gives Jack a warm smile and then they kiss.

[Premier Bromanov]

That's cute, a little corny, and very awesome, ubermensch. And, yes, Jack and Shepard can be legendary figures for different reasons, although, with certain backgrounds, Shepard can have a questionable past, too. Finally, Jack and Shepard would make my favorite Mass Effect Action Couple.

[Padt]

Colonist will always be my favorite background for Shepard, but I gotta admit, after ME3 I've sort of started to see a certain allure in Earthborn, as well. The reason for this is because I feel as though Earthborn is the most appropriate background for a Renegade Shepard, and I actually like ME3's version of Renegade dialogue quite a bit (which is a bit peculiar, because I really disliked Renegade Shepard as he/she was portrayed in ME2). I actually kind of see an Earthborn, Renegade (ME3 Renegade, at least) Shepard pairing up well with Jack.

Bad boy's a good match for the bad girl and whatnot.

[spirosz]

You know what I was just thinking. I wouldn't mind a lithograph with Jack in it, with the concept of a "group photo shot" with all her kids around her. Seeing her face in that would be classic, the not so wanting to be here, with a mix of joy and happiness because of what she is influencing on them, plus that look of "I'm gonna kill this photographer".

[His Name was HYR!!]

Padt wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Confused-Shepard wrote...

Here is a question,

Which fictional characters would have an interest in Jack, romantically or otherwise?
Conversely, which fictional characters would Jack herself be attracted to, as in "Oh he's so badass!"

James Vega.

Yeap. I've thought about this since even before ME3 came out, back when there was only the leaked script to go on. I could very much see it.

I am also to agree. I see Vega being a lot like what Cmdr. Shepard in his younger days as a marine.

But I guess that also depends on your Shepard.

[vX-INSANIAC-Xv]

Padt wrote...

Colonist will always be my favorite background for Shepard, but I gotta admit, after ME3 I've sort of started to see a certain allure in Earthborn, as well. The reason for this is because I feel as though Earthborn is the most appropriate background for a Renegade Shepard, and I actually like ME3's version of Renegade dialogue quite a bit (which is a bit peculiar, because I really disliked Renegade Shepard as he/she was portrayed in ME2). I actually kind of see an Earthborn, Renegade (ME3 Renegade, at least) Shepard pairing up well with Jack.

Bad boy's a good match for the bad girl and whatnot.

I always used a colonist backround with a ruthless psych profile for my renegade shepard and he and Jack got on like a house on fire, I never really thought about it before but does your background and mindset really change any conversations or relationships?

[Premier Bromanov]

vX-INSANIAC-Xv wrote...

Padt wrote...

Colonist will always be my favorite background for Shepard, but I gotta admit, after ME3 I've sort of started to see a certain allure in Earthborn, as well. The reason for this is because I feel as though Earthborn is the most appropriate background for a Renegade Shepard, and I actually like ME3's version of Renegade dialogue quite a bit (which is a bit peculiar, because I really disliked Renegade Shepard as he/she was portrayed in ME2). I actually kind of see an Earthborn, Renegade (ME3 Renegade, at least) Shepard pairing up well with Jack.

Bad boy's a good match for the bad girl and whatnot.

I always used a colonist backround with a ruthless psych profile for my renegade shepard and he and Jack got on like a house on fire, I never really thought about it before but does your background and mindset really change any conversations or relationships?

No.

Anyway, I think a more moral or Boy Scout-y Shepard fits better with Jack's oncoming development.

[vX-INSANIAC-Xv]

No.

Anyway, I think a more moral or Boy Scout-y Shepard fits better with Jack's oncoming development.

I get what you mean, and I hope that when/if Bioware fixes the ending you actually get to see more of Jack's recent development.

Modifié par vX-INSANIAC-Xv, 22 mai 2012 - 04:29 .

[Padt]

vX-INSANIAC-Xv wrote...

Padt wrote...

Colonist will always be my favorite background for Shepard, but I gotta admit, after ME3 I've sort of started to see a certain allure in Earthborn, as well. The reason for this is because I feel as though Earthborn is the most appropriate background for a Renegade Shepard, and I actually like ME3's version of Renegade dialogue quite a bit (which is a bit peculiar, because I really disliked Renegade Shepard as he/she was portrayed in ME2). I actually kind of see an Earthborn, Renegade (ME3 Renegade, at least) Shepard pairing up well with Jack.

Bad boy's a good match for the bad girl and whatnot.

I always used a colonist backround with a ruthless psych profile for my renegade shepard and he and Jack got on like a house on fire, I never really thought about it before but does your background and mindset really change any conversations or relationships?

Well, no, they don't affect relationships, at least not directly. That said, your morality score does seem to have certain tangible effects in Mass Effect 3, beyond just granting access to Charm/Intimidate options in the dialogue wheel. The things some characters say about Shepard at certain points in the game can be influenced by your morality score, for instance (as I recall, this is noticeable during the time capsule conversation with Liara, the first conversation with Javik and one of the conversations with Admiral Hackett late in the game). Moreover, ME3 also seems to employ a "personality" system akin to that of Dragon Age II (though ME3's seems to be much more limited in scope). That is to say, at any given point Shepard has a "set" personality (again, determined by your Paragon/Renegade score), which can influence some of the things he/she says in auto-dialogue (this is particularly evident during the mission on Gellix, the one where you run into Jacob, as well as during one of the conversations with Samantha Traynor).

And your background, of course, is referenced in dialogue several times throughout the game (personally, I always liked what they did with the backgrounds in ME1, where depending on your background and military history you could get boosts and bonuses to Paragon or Renegade points. I kinda wish ME2 and ME3 had implemented something like that).

[vX-INSANIAC-Xv]

Padt wrote...

Well, no, they don't affect relationships, at least not directly. That said, your morality score does seem to have certain tangible effects in Mass Effect 3, beyond just granting access to Charm/Intimidate options in the dialogue wheel. The things some characters say about Shepard at certain points in the game can be influenced by your morality score, for instance (as I recall, this is noticeable during the time capsule conversation with Liara, the first conversation with Javik and one of the conversations with Admiral Hackett late in the game). Moreover, ME3 also seems to employ a "personality" system akin to that of Dragon Age II (though ME3's seems to be much more limited in scope). That is to say, at any given point Shepard has a "set" personality (again, determined by your Paragon/Renegade score), which can influence some of the things he/she says in auto-dialogue (this is particularly evident during the mission on Gellix, the one where you run into Jacob, as well as during one of the conversations with Samantha Traynor).

And your background, of course, is referenced in dialogue several times throughout the game (personally, I always liked what they did with the backgrounds in ME1, where depending on your background and military history you could get boosts and bonuses to Paragon or Renegade points. I kinda wish ME2 and ME3 had implemented something like that).

I have noticed your military history make changes to what people say to you, because i chose ruthless I often see mentions of Torfan where you killed a lot of batarians and lost a lot of men in the process, but I never really noticed your origin have any real impact in ME2 or ME3, I haven't played the first one in a while so I don't actually remember if anyone mentions it there. I think the backround of your shepard should give you specific dialouge options in some situations (I personally feel that the dialogue in ME3 was limited far too much compared to the amount of dialogue choice you had in ME1 but that's for a different conversation). For example Jack's history in a cerberus lab made her seriously protective about her students because of her past trauma, but as a colonist my shepard watched his friends and family die as a kid and it doesn't seem to have any real impact on the way he talks or reacts to his friends/crew which are practically the closest thing my shep has to a family.

And I would also like to have seen your backround influence your Para/Renegade scores.

[Jonata]

Confused-Shepard wrote...

I wonder how committed Jack is to her relationship with Shepard
Say he survives the ending of Mass Effect 3 but is paralysed from the waist down or even in a coma
Would Jack stick around for Shepard's sake (other family & friends would be there) or would she leave and try to forget? Then again, FAMOUS WAR HERO & SAVIOR OF THE GALAXY IN A COMA would pretty much be news of the hour and she couldn't really run away.

I say with reference to what happened with Murtock except he died of course.

Well, with Murtock she was trying to avoid his love because she was afraid of being hurt, and she was indeed hurt when he confessed his love after he died. Her relationship with Shepard actually fix that "hole" in her personality trying to cure her wounds, so I imagine that Shep in a coma would be devastating for her, but she probably would stick around until he wakes up. Because c'mon, we're talking about Commander-f***in-Shepard, we all know he would wake up sooner or later.

[Jonata]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I can't really picture Jack and Vega together, but that's partially because all we really know about Vega is that he's a soldier there's not much else to go on. Although I could see Jack making a few remarks about him though:

Normandy Cargo Bay

Shepard: (sees Jack watching Vega working out) Should I be worried?

Jack: Don't think so. Meathead here's easy on the eyes but he's as dumb as a ****ing stump.

Vega: (doing a pull up) That hurts Jenny.

Jack: 'Least I can tell the difference between a omni-tool and a hole in the ground Jimmy.

Shepard: So it looks like I don't have to deck the lietutenant then?

Jack: No...although if you two wanted to fight it out in a mud pit I'd pay to watch that.

Between this and the Disciple sketch you made some of the greatest Jack moments that I've ever seen. I demand that you get hired at BioWare to write the "Jack as Squadmate" DLC for ME3.

[vX-INSANIAC-Xv]

If Bioware fixed the ending so you survived (and continue to play) after the crucible scenes and the relays weren't destroyed there's a lot that would need cleaning up and sorting out in the galaxy. A lot of it would affected by your choices of course and I think it would be cool to be able to take any surviving members of your current and past crew with you on the Normandy. For side missions for someone like Wrex and Grunt there's obviously the whole Genophage issue, for example if you cured it where would all the Krogan be expanding to? You would need to scout and find new planets for the inevitable population boom and make sure that no rogue clans attempt to destroy Palavan with say a nearby moon. But missions specific for someone like Jack are harder, so what would you guys do?

If you think that she should just be integrated as a squadmate regardless of any "post ending fix" how would you like it to be done?

[CroGamer002]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I can't really picture Jack and Vega together, but that's partially because all we really know about Vega is that he's a soldier there's not much else to go on. Although I could see Jack making a few remarks about him though:

Normandy Cargo Bay

Shepard: (sees Jack watching Vega working out) Should I be worried?

Jack: Don't think so. Meathead here's easy on the eyes but he's as dumb as a ****ing stump.

Vega: (doing a pull up) That hurts Jenny.

Jack: 'Least I can tell the difference between a omni-tool and a hole in the ground Jimmy.

Shepard: So it looks like I don't have to deck the lietutenant then?

Jack: No...although if you two wanted to fight it out in a mud pit I'd pay to watch that.

I admit, I laughed at this exchange.

[kumquats]

Jonata wrote...

Between this and the Disciple sketch you made some of the greatest Jack moments that I've ever seen. I demand that you get hired at BioWare to write the "Jack as Squadmate" DLC for ME3.

I would support that. And I support funny scenes between Vega and Jack, I think both of them in my Squad would have been EPIC.

I always have Jack with my Paragon. I love how she seems to mock Shepard, because he is a good guy.
If I could have a wish about the EC, I would like my Shep, if he survives to mock Jack with her real name.
I demand equality for calling him a **** in ME2. xD

Background is Colonist/Sole Survivor. They share a tragic background and the hate for Cerberus, it's like my Shepard is a mirror for Jack. He used to be a very angry man after Akuze, but a good friend helped him to let go of his past.

[Jonata]

vX-INSANIAC-Xv wrote...

If Bioware fixed the ending so you survived (and continue to play) after the crucible scenes and the relays weren't destroyed there's a lot that would need cleaning up and sorting out in the galaxy. A lot of it would affected by your choices of course and I think it would be cool to be able to take any surviving members of your current and past crew with you on the Normandy. For side missions for someone like Wrex and Grunt there's obviously the whole Genophage issue, for example if you cured it where would all the Krogan be expanding to? You would need to scout and find new planets for the inevitable population boom and make sure that no rogue clans attempt to destroy Palavan with say a nearby moon. But missions specific for someone like Jack are harder, so what would you guys do?

If you think that she should just be integrated as a squadmate regardless of any "post ending fix" how would you like it to be done?

It's not difficult: you can create a mission that involve the Grissom Academy and other victims of the Pragia project, or maybe there could be a DLC where you can bring Jack to meet her parents thanks to Liara's Shadow Broker resources. You may discover that they were under attack by Cerberus or something like that and here you have your DLC mission. 

Also, I would like if other SP DLCs like Take Back Omega would include Jack as a squadmate: she's there in the Purgatory when Aria tells you that, so they can make her say "I'll come with you" if you want to. It's not impossible even if it is kind of a stretch.

EDIT: Although, my "Dream-DLC" would be a massive "ME2 LIs as Squadmates" DLC that could actually alter the game to let your ME2 LIs join you after you first met them. I know that would involve a lot of VA paychecks but since they left Thane and Jack's room empty during the entire game there's a thin possibility the can actually go there. As I said before, I will keep dreaming about this at least until it'll be sure that we won't have other ME3 DLCs.

Modifié par Jonata, 23 mai 2012 - 01:30 .

[vX-INSANIAC-Xv]

Jonata wrote...

It's not difficult: you can create a mission that involve the Grissom Academy and other victims of the Pragia project, or maybe there could be a DLC where you can bring Jack to meet her parents thanks to Liara's Shadow Broker resources. You may discover that they were under attack by Cerberus or something like that and here you have your DLC mission. 

Also, I would like if other SP DLCs like Take Back Omega would include Jack as a squadmate: she's there in the Purgatory when Aria tells you that, so they can make her say "I'll come with you" if you want to. It's not impossible even if it is kind of a stretch.

EDIT: Although, my "Dream-DLC" would be a massive "ME2 LIs as Squadmates" DLC that could actually alter the game to let your ME2 LIs join you after you first met them. I know that would involve a lot of VA paychecks but since they left Thane and Jack's room empty during the entire game there's a thin possibility the can actually go there. As I said before, I will keep dreaming about this at least until it'll be sure that we won't have other ME3 DLCs.

Taking back Omega would be great with Jack seeing how Omega was taken over by Cerberus, and a chance to kill more cerberus troops would definately be motivation enough for Jack to go with you. And after taking back Omega I would celebrate in Afterlife with some of Shep's famous "dancing" that I know Jack enjoys so much.

The LI's as Squadmates would be my preference too but I think it would be too dificult (expensive) for Bioware to implement, but I dont see why they didn't give us the option of asking your LI to join you the same way you can ask Ashley/Kaiden to come back to the normandy when Hacket requests them to join him.

[Jonata]

vX-INSANIAC-Xv wrote...

Jonata wrote...

It's not difficult: you can create a mission that involve the Grissom Academy and other victims of the Pragia project, or maybe there could be a DLC where you can bring Jack to meet her parents thanks to Liara's Shadow Broker resources. You may discover that they were under attack by Cerberus or something like that and here you have your DLC mission. 

Also, I would like if other SP DLCs like Take Back Omega would include Jack as a squadmate: she's there in the Purgatory when Aria tells you that, so they can make her say "I'll come with you" if you want to. It's not impossible even if it is kind of a stretch.

EDIT: Although, my "Dream-DLC" would be a massive "ME2 LIs as Squadmates" DLC that could actually alter the game to let your ME2 LIs join you after you first met them. I know that would involve a lot of VA paychecks but since they left Thane and Jack's room empty during the entire game there's a thin possibility the can actually go there. As I said before, I will keep dreaming about this at least until it'll be sure that we won't have other ME3 DLCs.

Taking back Omega would be great with Jack seeing how Omega was taken over by Cerberus, and a chance to kill more cerberus troops would definately be motivation enough for Jack to go with you. And after taking back Omega I would celebrate in Afterlife with some of Shep's famous "dancing" that I know Jack enjoys so much.

The LI's as Squadmates would be my preference too but I think it would be too dificult (expensive) for Bioware to implement, but I dont see why they didn't give us the option of asking your LI to join you the same way you can ask Ashley/Kaiden to come back to the normandy when Hacket requests them to join him.

Well about the whole "ME2 LIs as Squadmate would be too expensive", I was thinking about the situation: Jacob was obviously discarded (he cheats on you so it's impossible that BioWare took that romance for serious), and his room doesn't even exist anymore on the Normandy; Miranda has a decent threatment, yet she's always on her own fighting her mysterious battle (and even when she's done with his father she practically run away from Shepard), and her office is now Liara's; this leaves only four ME2 romance available: Tali, Garrus, Thane and Jack.

Tali and Garrus are already on the ship, while Thane and Jack have actually weak reasons to stay on the citadel: Jack when you met her at the Purgatory is actually just supervising her students while Thane stay at the hospital only because of his therapy for the Kepral syndrome. Jack and Thane are the only ME2 romances that can be on the Normandy with very little plot adjustment, and their rooms are the only two rooms that we never, ever use during the game. 

If they make a DLC that can make you bring on the Normandy only Thane and Jack, and only after you met them for the "last time" (Huerta Memorial and Purgatory) before the end, it's not that expensive. They would have to add a line or two for every priority mission and a couple of lines for a decent romance scene before the Cerberus final mission. It's not impossible! 

[vX-INSANIAC-Xv]

Jonata wrote...

Well about the whole "ME2 LIs as Squadmate would be too expensive", I was thinking about the situation: Jacob was obviously discarded (he cheats on you so it's impossible that BioWare took that romance for serious), and his room doesn't even exist anymore on the Normandy; Miranda has a decent threatment, yet she's always on her own fighting her mysterious battle (and even when she's done with his father she practically run away from Shepard), and her office is now Liara's; this leaves only four ME2 romance available: Tali, Garrus, Thane and Jack.

Tali and Garrus are already on the ship, while Thane and Jack have actually weak reasons to stay on the citadel: Jack when you met her at the Purgatory is actually just supervising her students while Thane stay at the hospital only because of his therapy for the Kepral syndrome. Jack and Thane are the only ME2 romances that can be on the Normandy with very little plot adjustment, and their rooms are the only two rooms that we never, ever use during the game. 

If they make a DLC that can make you bring on the Normandy only Thane and Jack, and only after you met them for the "last time" (Huerta Memorial and Purgatory) before the end, it's not that expensive. They would have to add a line or two for every priority mission and a couple of lines for a decent romance scene before the Cerberus final mission. It's not impossible! 

I have always wondered why Thane's room was left open when it was never used in ME3, I don't think about Jack's quarters too much because they are connected to the engineering room so unless they redesigned the ship you would always have access to Jack's quarters because you can enter the engine area where Adams and co work.

If they were to release a DLC where you could recruit her in purgatory I think it could work because the Biotic students always seem to get on fine in the war regardless of if you sent them to the front lines as artillary or as support, and in either situation I always wanted to say to Jack "Clearly they don't need you as much as I do".

And after thinking about the cost of it, it would really depend on how much voice acting would be added in since after the Purgatory scene you don't actually see Jack again untill the end for like 30 seconds so there wouldn't be any serious game changing involved apart from putting Jack on the Normandy with an up to date skill set.

Of course I think that Dr. Doctor should be in charge of writing Jack's new scripting/Speech lines.

[thesnake777]

vX-INSANIAC-Xv wrote...

Jonata wrote...

Well about the whole "ME2 LIs as Squadmate would be too expensive", I was thinking about the situation: Jacob was obviously discarded (he cheats on you so it's impossible that BioWare took that romance for serious), and his room doesn't even exist anymore on the Normandy; Miranda has a decent threatment, yet she's always on her own fighting her mysterious battle (and even when she's done with his father she practically run away from Shepard), and her office is now Liara's; this leaves only four ME2 romance available: Tali, Garrus, Thane and Jack.

Tali and Garrus are already on the ship, while Thane and Jack have actually weak reasons to stay on the citadel: Jack when you met her at the Purgatory is actually just supervising her students while Thane stay at the hospital only because of his therapy for the Kepral syndrome. Jack and Thane are the only ME2 romances that can be on the Normandy with very little plot adjustment, and their rooms are the only two rooms that we never, ever use during the game. 

If they make a DLC that can make you bring on the Normandy only Thane and Jack, and only after you met them for the "last time" (Huerta Memorial and Purgatory) before the end, it's not that expensive. They would have to add a line or two for every priority mission and a couple of lines for a decent romance scene before the Cerberus final mission. It's not impossible! 

I have always wondered why Thane's room was left open when it was never used in ME3, I don't think about Jack's quarters too much because they are connected to the engineering room so unless they redesigned the ship you would always have access to Jack's quarters because you can enter the engine area where Adams and co work.

If they were to release a DLC where you could recruit her in purgatory I think it could work because the Biotic students always seem to get on fine in the war regardless of if you sent them to the front lines as artillary or as support, and in either situation I always wanted to say to Jack "Clearly they don't need you as much as I do".

And after thinking about the cost of it, it would really depend on how much voice acting would be added in since after the Purgatory scene you don't actually see Jack again untill the end for like 30 seconds so there wouldn't be any serious game changing involved apart from putting Jack on the Normandy with an up to date skill set.

Of course I think that Dr. Doctor should be in charge of writing Jack's new scripting/Speech lines.

The fact that Jack got a full redesign and that room on the normandy is still free gives me hope.