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[Jonata]

vX-INSANIAC-Xv wrote...

I have always wondered why Thane's room was left open when it was never used in ME3, I don't think about Jack's quarters too much because they are connected to the engineering room so unless they redesigned the ship you would always have access to Jack's quarters because you can enter the engine area where Adams and co work.

If they were to release a DLC where you could recruit her in purgatory I think it could work because the Biotic students always seem to get on fine in the war regardless of if you sent them to the front lines as artillary or as support, and in either situation I always wanted to say to Jack "Clearly they don't need you as much as I do".

And after thinking about the cost of it, it would really depend on how much voice acting would be added in since after the Purgatory scene you don't actually see Jack again untill the end for like 30 seconds so there wouldn't be any serious game changing involved apart from putting Jack on the Normandy with an up to date skill set.

Of course I think that Dr. Doctor should be in charge of writing Jack's new scripting/Speech lines.

Exactly  what I wanted!

[vX-INSANIAC-Xv]

Jonata wrote...

vX-INSANIAC-Xv wrote...

I have always wondered why Thane's room was left open when it was never used in ME3, I don't think about Jack's quarters too much because they are connected to the engineering room so unless they redesigned the ship you would always have access to Jack's quarters because you can enter the engine area where Adams and co work.

If they were to release a DLC where you could recruit her in purgatory I think it could work because the Biotic students always seem to get on fine in the war regardless of if you sent them to the front lines as artillary or as support, and in either situation I always wanted to say to Jack "Clearly they don't need you as much as I do".

And after thinking about the cost of it, it would really depend on how much voice acting would be added in since after the Purgatory scene you don't actually see Jack again untill the end for like 30 seconds so there wouldn't be any serious game changing involved apart from putting Jack on the Normandy with an up to date skill set.

Of course I think that Dr. Doctor should be in charge of writing Jack's new scripting/Speech lines.

Exactly  what I wanted!

I hope Bioware actually read these threads, they might learn something.

[thesnake777]

@Jonata
For one second I thought that was really in game and was about to run back to my game....*sigh*...

[spirosz]

Dr. Doctor and Mondo would be perfect.

Best thing to happen to Jack in ME3 in my opinion, is she smiles more. I love that.

[CrimsonN7]

Did anyone else think it was kinda insulting to turn the most powerful human biotic into another bloody phantom if you ignored her mission. Come on Bioware, just another phantom, humanities strongest biotic deserved better, should of at least had some cutscene or mini boss battle. Personally I've never ignored her mission, but I've seen it on youtube, pretty underwhelming. <_< Also damn why couldn't Jack have been a bisexual option why should broshep have all the fun?

Modifié par CrimsonN7, 24 mai 2012 - 02:15 .

[Jonata]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

Did anyone else think it was kinda insulting to turn the most powerful human biotic into another bloody phantom if you ignored her mission. Come on Bioware, just another phantom, humanities strongest biotic deserved better, should of at least had some cutscene or mini boss battle. Personally I've never ignored her mission, but I've seen it on youtube, pretty underwhelming.

Personally I think that just letting Jack to be taken by Cerberus is such a bad move that it's obvious people at BioWare didn't put much effert in realizing the consenquences... I find more surprising that they let this be a thing in the first place. I mean... just ignoring the Grissom Accademy being taken by Cerberus? It doesn't make sense even for the most Renegade Shepard out there.

[spirosz]

To be raised as a Cerberus pet and to die as one, horrible fate.

[Jonata]

spiros9110 wrote...

Dr. Doctor and Mondo would be perfect.

Best thing to happen to Jack in ME3 in my opinion, is she smiles more. I love that.

Absolutely true. Her character arc during ME2 were hands-down the most compelling one, It made you feel the hell she went through... when you meet her again in ME3, and you can feel she's finally free from her past, it's incredibly up-lifting.

I can say she manage to stay one of the best characters even in ME3, and considering the fact that she has only 5 minutes while other characters have hours of screentime (*cough*Liara*cough*) it's not an easy task. 

[Premier Bromanov]

spiros9110 wrote...

Dr. Doctor and Mondo would be perfect.

Best thing to happen to Jack in ME3 in my opinion, is she smiles more. I love that.

Yes!  I love that she smiles more.  In ME2, her smiles were important, because even though they were guarded smiles, they meant that you were getting through to her.  In ME3, her smiles are important, because you get to see her being free with herself and her emotions.  What a development. 

Where is your avatar from, spiros?

And, yes, Jack being turned in to a run-of-the-mill Phantom, albeit a named one, was pretty insulting.  Why would her power be downgraded, if she were turned in to a Phantom?  Whatever.  Jack being turned in to a Phantom is a fate worse than death for Jack, and I will never allow it.

[Dr. Doctor]

I'm not really that disappointed with Jack's role in ME3 to be honest. She's gotten a good chunk of character development and she's actually out there having adventures with her students (unlike Miranda who gets nothing related to her past with Cerberus and is only focused on her sister but that's another topic).

My only real gripe is that her date on the Citadel is pretty much another "are you sure you want Jack as your LI?" check. As much as I like having her and Shepard bantering back and forth it would have been nice to see her "softer" side like we do in her ME2 love scene. I'm not talking about having her crying or anything like that, more of a scene where its just her and Shepard.

[CrimsonN7]

Jonata wrote...

Personally I think that just letting Jack to be taken by Cerberus is such a bad move that it's obvious people at BioWare didn't put much effert in realizing the consenquences... I find more surprising that they let this be a thing in the first place. I mean... just ignoring the Grissom Accademy being taken by Cerberus? It doesn't make sense even for the most Renegade Shepard out there.

The more I replayed ME3 the more obvious the cracks in it's story arches have appeared to me, this game was obviously put out to soon and I think it ran out of steam before you hit Cronos Station, I could sense a feeling of are we done yet. ME3 for me lacked the love and effort of ME2, ME3 did Tuchanka perfectly but other missions for me left alot to be desired, I'm not even gonna begin on that abortion of an ending, the Extended dlc better be good, that ending burned me bad Bioware:pinched:

[spirosz]

@York

I got it off an old post I believe from the ME2 thread, I can't remember, but I was looking over my saved photos and saw it, reminded me of Jack, so decided to make an avatar out of it, haha.

I believe it was a discussion about who her model was, plus hairstyles she can rock.  

Modifié par spiros9110, 24 mai 2012 - 03:36 .

[Padt]

Re: Jack smiling in ME3

I'll admit I do rather like the fact that Jack seems to smile and laugh noticeably more if she's been romanced (to say nothing of the soft, playful tones the wonderful Courtenay Taylor imbues in her voice when delivering the romance-specific dialogue). It's very small, and very subtle, but it's an appreciable acknowledgement of the romance's existence, and the effect it has on her. Some of my favorite shots of Jack, bar none, are when she smiles at Shepard in ME3 (e.g., on the shuttle, in Orion Hall after suggestively encouraging him to "apologize" later, etc.).

And honestly, we kinda really lucked out in that regard. I mean, Thane, for example, seems to act largely the same whether he's been romanced or not, barring a few token "sihas" sprinkled into his dialogue and a makeout scene by the hospital window. And Jacob...poor Jacob. Man, what they did to his romance...yowch.

[thesnake777]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

Did anyone else think it was kinda insulting to turn the most powerful human biotic into another bloody phantom if you ignored her mission. Come on Bioware, just another phantom, humanities strongest biotic deserved better, should of at least had some cutscene or mini boss battle. Personally I've never ignored her mission, but I've seen it on youtube, pretty underwhelming. <_< Also damn why couldn't Jack have been a bisexual option why should broshep have all the fun?

I dont know. I thought it was a cool idea. What I dident like is if you romanced Jack there was no difference in the squad banter. I would have thought a scene with jack dying in Sheps arms and being able to say her final peaice could have been fantastic, it would have been tragic but extremely moving.

[kumquats]

thesnake777 wrote...
I dont know. I thought it was a cool idea. What I dident like is if you romanced Jack there was no difference in the squad banter. I would have thought a scene with jack dying in Sheps arms and being able to say her final peaice could have been fantastic, it would have been tragic but extremely moving.

That would have been amazing.

The whole thing why Thane's room is empty, expect for the Ship model and why Jack got a complete redesign only for one mission and a small cutscene on the Citadel, is annoying me to no end.
Did anyone from BW ever make a comment about that?

[fainmaca]

Ahh.... If there are any words that make a day truly complete, it is these: Biotic airdrop.

Finally writing a scene with Jack I've been itching to do for weeks now!

[vX-INSANIAC-Xv]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I'm not really that disappointed with Jack's role in ME3 to be honest. She's gotten a good chunk of character development and she's actually out there having adventures with her students (unlike Miranda who gets nothing related to her past with Cerberus and is only focused on her sister but that's another topic).

My only real gripe is that her date on the Citadel is pretty much another "are you sure you want Jack as your LI?" check. As much as I like having her and Shepard bantering back and forth it would have been nice to see her "softer" side like we do in her ME2 love scene. I'm not talking about having her crying or anything like that, more of a scene where its just her and Shepard.

What really bugged me was the fact that Jack got quite a large character development but you only get to talk to her and see these developments for about 10 minutes, and as you say one of the occasions you get to speak to her is literally just an "are you sure?" moment.

[Jonata]

 Padt is right, we are more lucky than other ME2 fans out there, but it's probably because of the amazing character development Jack had in ME2. There was a need to develop her further in ME3, because all their work on her during the second game could've been wasted if there was no "new Jack" after her experience with Shepard.

But we still have only 5 minutes of romance nonetheless. 5 minutes. I don't hate Liara, but she was all over the place in ME3, people who have romanced her got like hours of screentime with her, debating about the future, the present, the risk of the war. 

With Jack we got only a couple of "are you sure" moments and she still shine through them. I can barely imagine how great she could be if they would release a "Jack as Squadmate DLC". 

Also, little demotivational detail: Jack's new look were created before they decided what to do with her, the Artbook clearly says "we didn't know she was going to be at Grissom Academy at the time". There are rumors out there about the fact that they were planning to make the player decide which ME2 character bring on the Normandy, but then BioWare realized they were running out of money and time and decided to go with Tali because she was a fan favourite.

Modifié par Jonata, 24 mai 2012 - 12:08 .

[vX-INSANIAC-Xv]

Got to agree with Jonata that the treatment Jacob fans got was pretty harsh in comparison to Jack. Although I would have liked to have seen a little more communication between yourself and who ever your LI interest was if they were not aboard the Normandy. ME3 is set to be a few months long, I'm not sure the exact length of time but I believe it to be less than a year, and Jack is on earth for the majority of the game. I would have liked to be able to talk to her every now and then maybe after each main mission using the Vidcom the way you do with Anderson, it would have just made the relationship better in my opinion.

For example you could be talking to her over the vidcom and one of the students may have got hurt or even died, now with Jacks new found "motherly" behaviour she would probably get really angry or depressed with herself and believe it was her fault. This would open up an opportunity to see Jacks sensitive side again like you did in ME2 and you could console her. That's just something I would have liked to have seen but I appreciate that we got more than some of the other relationships did.

I don't dislike the characters like Tali and Liara but I still don't like the way they got preferential treatment because of their fan base, however I can understand why they may have done it because of their limited time frame and possible money issues.

[lillitheris]

vX-INSANIAC-Xv wrote...
I don't dislike the characters like Tali and Liara but I still don't like the way they got preferential treatment because of their fan base, however I can understand why they may have done it because of their limited time frame and possible money issues.

It’s all about the…well, whoever’s picture is on the credit chits, I guess.

As has been pointed out numerous times, even the Tali and Liara arcs leave a lot to be desired. Pretty much every other LI is even worse off, it must be said, the two largest fanbases got the least bad romances with the little time they had going to them while everybody else was left hanging in the breeze.

I’m so disappointed in the attitude – not from you, clearly – that the solution is to tear down the Tali and Liara romances and fight amongst eachother rather than try to form a unified front to demand the other romances to be brought up to a higher level instead, and perhaps all another step up after that.

I got my small LI improvements thread (sig), but it’s not controversial enough to get that many hits

[vX-INSANIAC-Xv]

lillitheris wrote...

It’s all about the…well, whoever’s picture is on the credit chits, I guess.

As has been pointed out numerous times, even the Tali and Liara arcs leave a lot to be desired. Pretty much every other LI is even worse off, it must be said, the two largest fanbases got the least bad romances with the little time they had going to them while everybody else was left hanging in the breeze.

I’m so disappointed in the attitude – not from you, clearly – that the solution is to tear down the Tali and Liara romances and fight amongst eachother rather than try to form a unified front to demand the other romances to be brought up to a higher level instead, and perhaps all another step up after that.

I got my small LI improvements thread (sig), but it’s not controversial enough to get that many hits

I know that all the LI's romances weren't exactly up to par but this is the Jackolyte thread so I try to keep it about Jack as much as possible.

I agree, far too many people react quite childishly and essentially say that "I hate Liara because her romance was given more effort than my LI".

I also took the time to read through that thread and made a post to bump the thread 

[Padt]

Suppose I'll voice the unpopular opinion that I actually don't have much issue with how most of the "aboard the Normandy" romances played out in ME3. I think Garrus' is absolutely lovely, for example, and I'd say Liara's works pretty well too, but perhaps with the qualifier that I think her romance shines best if it's started in ME3 as opposed to carried over from ME1.

Ashley's was rather meager in terms of content volume, and it doesn't help matters that her romance is the one that starts the latest in the entire game, but I think what is there is exceedingly sweet and endearing (I really love her goodbye on Earth, for example). Kaidan's starts much earlier than Ashley's, and I think it features some really cute, subtly heartfelt stuff, though in a reversal of Liara's situation, I think his works best if it's carried over from ME1 with a Shepard who stayed faithful (in Ashley's case, I would say that it doesn't seem to make much difference what game you start it in).

I don't know about Tali's yet, and to be brutally honest, she's not a character that I am too terribly inclined to romance, so I probably won't be experiencing it in the near future. But like I said, I think most of the others work out just fine. Would I want more content with them, and be willing to pay for it? Certainly. The romances are and always have been one of the most charming, endearing aspects of these games, and getting to dwell on them a bit more would be worth practically any price, but I like what already is there a lot.

The..."offboard the Normandy" romances, on the other hand...well, there are some that are...kind of okay, I guess, like Miranda's (I suppose it's nice that she at least gets a love scene complete with the ME3 romance theme playing in the background), and some that show a lot of potential, like Jack's, but beyond that...well. These are definitely the ones that could use the most work (though truthfully, I don't think any amount of work could fix Jacob's romance. They...really made something of a nasty bed to lie in with that one).

As ever, we place our hopes in DLC, though the sheer number of love interests alone probably means that the size and scale of such a thing would make it cross the hazy boundary between "DLC" and "expansion".

Modifié par Padt, 24 mai 2012 - 10:55 .

[kumquats]

Padt wrote...
As ever, we place our hopes in DLC, though the sheer number of love interests alone probably means that the size and scale of such a thing would probably make it cross the hazy boundary between "DLC" and "expansion".

I will be happy, with just a small romantic scene, where my Shep can have a little heart to heart talk, of course Jack style.
When I look again at my video, with the whole romance with Jack in ME2, it has some amazing scenes.
One of the best is the Murtok talk, when the 'camera' is flying around Jack.
I love that.

Modifié par kumquats, 24 mai 2012 - 06:12 .

[Padt]

The dream, of course, would be to have Jack as a temporary squadmate for a mission or two, followed by some private conversations with her and maybe a love scene for good measure. Something like LotSB. But, yes, by and large, I'd also be pretty okay with it if any Jack-related DLC dispensed with missions and whatnot and just focused on a conversation or two. I guess not a lot of people would fork over money for that, probably, and so BioWare would be disinclined to make it, but if they did it, I could live with it.

I mean, I kinda...I kinda just wanna see more of her, pretty much. Doesn't matter the context, the setting, whatever. I'd just like her and Shepard to hang out a little bit more. Go dancing some more, catch up on the Normandy, go kill some people together, teach her kids how to curse creatively...whatever it is, I'm in.

[spirosz]

Padt wrote...

I mean, I kinda...I kinda just wanna see more of her, pretty much. Doesn't matter the context, the setting, whatever. I'd just like her and Shepard to hang out a little bit more. Go dancing some more, catch up on the Normandy, go kill some people together, teach her kids how to curse creatively...whatever it is, I'm in.

That's basically how I feel.  I was expecting her to want to see her cubby again "Hey, I'm suprised they didn't fill up this **** hole even more... Hey, there's still time to go pirate, while we're here."