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SwimDevil wrote...

On a completely unrelated note, I found this link where Liara reveals Jack's real name. Not entirely sure how to get it in game. So what do you think of Jennefer?


Yes, I already seen that. Don't know how to get it in game, but since Liara doesn't say it if you've got a romanced Jack I suppose you have to go to Grissom Academy with a Shep that didn't romanced her or that romanced Liara.

Anyway, I think that the name she had at birth is pretty much irrelevant at this point: she already found a name for herself, wheter it's Jack or Jacqueline Nought (I really like Jacqueline Nought as her more "feminine" name, by the way. Perhaps that's the way Shepard call her when no one's around). Not sure who "Jennifer" could be, but Jennifer is definitely not Jack.

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Jonata wrote...

Anyway, I think that the name she had at birth is pretty much irrelevant at this point


Well, yes and no… in ME3 as the game currently is? Yeah, irrelevant. Potential DLC or just headcanon/fanfic? You learn some other details about Jack’s past, too; it’s not inconceivable that even just the first name might help tracking that down.

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I think it was Mondo who said that Jennifer was who Jack could have been, had Cererus not done those awful things to her. But, since Jack is Jack, Jennifer is no one. Therefore, as an element of her identity, Jennifer is irrelevant to Jack.

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If I can choose a future romance scene with Jack, I would like the option to call her Jennifer in a teasing voice, but I suspect it wouldn't end well and Jack would never get laid. :P

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It's just more of a fun fact than an important detail, cause you're right she isn't Jennifer and that life has no true meaning to her. Would it be fun to explore that stolen life of her character, absolutely.

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lillitheris wrote...

Jonata wrote...

Anyway, I think that the name she had at birth is pretty much irrelevant at this point


Well, yes and no… in ME3 as the game currently is? Yeah, irrelevant. Potential DLC or just headcanon/fanfic? You learn some other details about Jack’s past, too; it’s not inconceivable that even just the first name might help tracking that down.


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I was obviously talking from a headcanon point of view, without DLCs (that would be awesome!) offcourse ME3 doesn't say much more about her past, at all.

However, reading the Shadow Brokers' files, you can see that she was kidnapped in 2168 (18 years before ME2) during a fake medical check-up, when she was presumably 3 or 4 years old. That's when she kind of stopped being Jennifer. It would be cool to discover about her past but actually all you can discover is where she spent her first years, since she already told us almost everything about her life after Pragia.

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Jonata wrote...

However, reading the Shadow Brokers' files, you can see that she was kidnapped in 2168 (18 years before ME2) during a fake medical check-up, when she was presumably 3 or 4 years old. That's when she kind of stopped being Jennifer. It would be cool to discover about her past but actually all you can discover is where she spent her first years, since she already told us almost everything about her life after Pragia.


Yes, she was kidnapped from …… ?

:huh:

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Wuh? She was taken from her parents, by a Cerberus agent posing as a doctor, who was looking for human children with biotic potential. The doctor lied to her mother and told her that Jack had died during a health examination. Then, he/she tried to turn her mother on the Alliance, which is even sicker.

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lillitheris wrote...

Jonata wrote...

However, reading the Shadow Brokers' files, you can see that she was kidnapped in 2168 (18 years before ME2) during a fake medical check-up, when she was presumably 3 or 4 years old. That's when she kind of stopped being Jennifer. It would be cool to discover about her past but actually all you can discover is where she spent her first years, since she already told us almost everything about her life after Pragia.


Yes, she was kidnapped from …… ?

:huh:


Her mother on Eden Prime, I suppose. The file speaks pretty much clearly even if it doesn't give away the name of the woman.


EDIT: also, the fact that the file clearly states " Helios Medical Facility on Eden Prime" kind of give away her birthplace as well. It is likely that she did medical check-ups at the same hospital where she was born, after all.

Modifié par Jonata, 29 mai 2012 - 02:51 .


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Hmmm.

Truthfully, I'm not so sure that Jack would be so completely dismissive of the idea of attempting to learn or recuperate at least some small measure of her original life (or rather, what would have been her life if Cerberus hadn't kidnapped her). I mean, I've seen the idea floated around here before that Jack probably doesn't really like herself, that she feels a certain loathing for the person she was made into by her experiences and so on and so forth. I'm not so sure I buy it. I think she likes being that sort of harsh, ruthless person. To be honest, I don't know if she would have been able to survive as long as she has if she didn't.

However, there is what I think may be a very telling line during one of the conversations when she's talking about the things Cerberus did to her, and she says something along the lines of, "whatever chance I had to be normal, they stole it by trying to turn me into some super biotic". That, what she (perhaps somewhat reductively) refers to as "normal"...yeah. I will not go so far as to say that she "yearns" for it (though I will also refrain from saying that she doesn't), but I do think that at the very least, she may wonder about it sometimes. Contemplate it, even. What could have been. Does any part of that "could-have-been-life" still exist out there? And so forth. At the very least, I'm sure she wishes her life hadn't been as harsh as it has been, but a less harsh life would not have made her the person she is now. It would have made someone completely different. How that wondering and contemplation would make her feel is not something I'm quite willing to speculate on at the moment, but I do think it may at least happen.

And so, if the chance presented itself to learn even a little bit about her original life, even just a few small scraps - her real name, where she was born, whether or not her parents are still alive, etc. - I'm not so sure that she'd just dismiss it out of hand. I think, at the very least, the idea would give her some pause. And consider: Jack was taken from Eden Prime in 2165. She was born in 2161. That means she was roughly 4 years old at the time of her abduction. A 4 year-old child is fairly developed as a human being. I mean, there are still several years of psychological development to go, but a kid that age already has clearly defined tastes, a developed vocabulary and several general aptitudes and personality traits. Put in simpler terms: Jack was already "a person" by the time she was taken. You could perhaps say that she stopped being that person and became someone else at the hands of Cerberus, but that person still existed, still had a life and a mind of her own, such as it was. Does any of that remain out there? I do think she may wonder.

Modifié par Padt, 29 mai 2012 - 08:39 .


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"Hey Joker...f-"

Best line of ME3.

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Wowky wrote...

"Hey Joker...f-"

Best line of ME3.


I thought the line was "Screw you f-, flight lieutenant." still an epic line, I love the way Jack doesn't curse in front of the students.

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Padt wrote...

Hmmm.

Truthfully, I'm not so sure that Jack would be so completely dismissive of the idea of attempting to learn or recuperate at least some small measure of her original life (or rather, what would have been her life if Cerberus hadn't kidnapped her). I mean, I've seen the idea floated around here before that Jack probably doesn't really like herself, that she feels a certain loathing for the person she was made into by her experiences and so on and so forth. I'm not so sure I buy it. I think she likes being that sort of harsh, ruthless person. To be honest, I don't know if she would have been able to survive as long as she has if she didn't.

However, there is what I think may be a very telling line during one of the conversations when she's talking about the things Cerberus did to her, and she says something along the lines of, "whatever chance I had to be normal, they stole it by trying to turn me into some super biotic". That, what she (perhaps somewhat reductively) refers to as "normal"...yeah. I will not go so far as to say that she "yearns" for it (though I will also refrain from saying that she doesn't), but I do think that at the very least, she may wonder about it sometimes. Contemplate it, even. What could have been. Does any part of that "could-have-been-life" still exist out there? And so forth. At the very least, I'm sure she wishes her life hadn't been as harsh as it has been, but a less harsh life would not have made her the person she is now. It would have made someone completely different. How that wondering and contemplation would make her feel is not something I'm quite willing to speculate on at the moment, but I do think it may at least happen.

And so, if the chance presented itself to learn even a little bit about her original life, even just a few small scraps - her real name, where she was born, whether or not her parents are still alive, etc. - I'm not so sure that she'd just dismiss it out of hand. I think, at the very least, the idea would give her some pause. And consider: Jack was taken from Eden Prime in 2165. She was born in 2161. That means she was roughly 4 years old at the time of her abduction. A 4 year-old child is fairly developed as a human being. I mean, there are still several years of psychological development to go, but a kid that age already has clearly defined tastes, a developed vocabulary and several general aptitudes and personality traits. Put in simpler terms: Jack was already "a person" by the time she was taken. You could perhaps say that she stopped being that person and became someone else at the hands of Cerberus, but that person still existed, still had a life and a mind of her own, such as it was. Does any of that remain out there? I do think she may wonder.


"But... she was happy!" (Jack's mother. Food for thought) 

Your approach is very interesting, but how a person is "herself" is a very personal concept. I, for example, believe that people are born with a certain character and while the world around us change our perception and make us evolve thanks to experience, that certain character will always be what we are, deep inside.

I see Jack as a very strong child/girl/woman, that was influenced by the problems she had and somehow became a little bit more rude than she would normally be. But she deal with her past in ME2 and in ME3 she is free, her past doesn't matter anymore. ME3 Jack is probably happy as she could have been since she was Jennifer... I don't think she could have become much different from how she is deep inside, as we see her in ME2's awesome romance scene. During that scene she is basically Jack, Jennifer and Jacqueline... she is herself, period.

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I don't really picture Jack being all that interested in that part of her past. Her biological family thinks she's dead and she never really knew them so it doesn't really matter to her. Although I've sort of made "Jenny" Jack's unofficial Vega nickname.

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Jack is not amused, now where did I put my mistletoe:wub:

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vX-INSANIAC-Xv wrote...

Wowky wrote...

"Hey Joker...f-"

Best line of ME3.


I thought the line was "Screw you f-, flight lieutenant." still an epic line, I love the way Jack doesn't curse in front of the students.


At first yep, she says "screw you f-, flight lieutenant". But then after Joker says "uh...what the hell was that?" in response, Kahlee Sanders explains she promised not to curse in front of the students and Joker replies "oh man, did she need a swear jar for that or something?". Jack then says "kids, cover your ears. Hey Joker...f-" then it cuts to black. I've seen that scene three or four times now and I still giggle at it. Jack has the best sense of humour of any character in the ME series (apart from maybe Wrex)

BTW, Rodriguez SHOULD get a unicorn tattoo, IMO. She needs to get her balls out of her purse. She couldn't destroy wet tissue paper.

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I might not remember but do we ever figure out where she got "Jack" from? Cause she is Subject zero in the facility. does she pick her own name? Why Jack?

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Udalango wrote...

I might not remember but do we ever figure out where she got "Jack" from? Cause she is Subject zero in the facility. does she pick her own name? Why Jack?


Nope. My theory is that she probably remembered to be somehow bounded to the letter "J" (given that her true name is Jennifer), but didn't remembered or wanted to use her real name after all the horrors she went through at the facility. So maybe she picked Jack because it is the shortest and "driest" name starting with J. 

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Udalango wrote...

I might not remember but do we ever figure out where she got "Jack" from? Cause she is Subject zero in the facility. does she pick her own name? Why Jack?


I'm gonna go with her name coming from the slang "Jack", meaning nothing/zero - "Subject Zero".

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Jack is not amused, now where did I put my mistletoe:wub:


comming down on christmas morning to find this? That would be a good day

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Dr. Doctor wrote...

I don't really picture Jack being all that interested in that part of her past. Her biological family thinks she's dead and she never really knew them so it doesn't really matter to her. Although I've sort of made "Jenny" Jack's unofficial Vega nickname.


I, on the contrary, think that she would be very interested in that; reclaiming something stolen as it were. The desire would, of course, be tempered by possibly unconscious fear that she wouldn’t find them or would somehow be disappointed in the result. Either way, though, knowing even just the first name could be valuable if she chose to pursue it.

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Wowky wrote...

At first yep, she says "screw you f-, flight lieutenant". But then after Joker says "uh...what the hell was that?" in response, Kahlee Sanders explains she promised not to curse in front of the students and Joker replies "oh man, did she need a swear jar for that or something?". Jack then says "kids, cover your ears. Hey Joker...f-" then it cuts to black. I've seen that scene three or four times now and I still giggle at it. Jack has the best sense of humour of any character in the ME series (apart from maybe Wrex)

BTW, Rodriguez SHOULD get a unicorn tattoo, IMO. She needs to get her balls out of her purse. She couldn't destroy wet tissue paper.


I dont recall the section after "screw you f-, flight lieutenant", does that come up if you have a relationship with Jack?

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vX-INSANIAC-Xv wrote...

I dont recall the section after "screw you f-, flight lieutenant", does that come up if you have a relationship with Jack?


Yeah, it's in the dialogue that leads up to the Paragon interrupt where you grab her for a kiss.  <3

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There's a resemblance, that's for sure. The nose is different, but she has a similar skull structure.