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[Jonata]

Well there are so many talented pencilers in this thread. I'm sure some Jackolyte out there will accept the challenge sooner or later. Personally, I was tempted every time you came up with one of your amazing skits, but I'm not talented enough. Not yet, at least.

EDIT: on a completely unrelated note, does anyone knows if Jack appears (or is even mentioned) in one of the novels or comic books? 

Modifié par Jonata, 05 juin 2012 - 12:08 .

[Premier Bromanov]

Jack's not mentioned in any supplementary material. Not many people besides Cerberus even know about who she really is. She won't be getting a "Homeworlds" comic, either, because she's not a ME3 squadmate, but, judging from the quality (or lack thereof) of Tali's "Homeworlds" comic, that is an absolute relief.

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 05 juin 2012 - 12:22 .

[Jonata]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Jack's not mentioned in any supplementary material. Not many people besides Cerberus even know about who she really is. She won't be getting a "Homeworlds" comic, either, because she's not a ME3 squadmate, but, judging from the quality (or lack thereof) of Tali's "Homeworlds" comic, that is an absolute relief.

Well I think Sci-fi universes like Mass Effect are not very comics-able. Marvel and DC cosmic adventures are far different from what we see in shows like Star Trek or Battlestar Galactica, and comics version of Star Wars and Star Trek are not that good. I think there is some kind of fundamental incompatibility between comics and realistic Sci-Fi. 

EDIT: it could be also because pencilers of the Star Trek/Star Wars/Mass Effect comics never did any kind of research on how to render the character properly. People like J. G. Jones (Wanted) or Mike Deodato did wonders with pre-existent appearences (look at how well Jones put Eminem's face on Wanted's main character), maybe if the artists behind those homeworld comics would at least have googled the Geth Tali's comic wouldn't be that ugly.

Modifié par Jonata, 05 juin 2012 - 12:32 .

[Premier Bromanov]

Beyond art and writing, there are consistency issues, too. In the comic, Tali is shot in her side. In ME1, Tali is shot in her arm. Just a minor inconsistency, but seems details weren't being checked.

[Dr. Doctor]

Mass Effect: Invasion was a pretty good comic, mostly because it was focused on Aria and Cerberus' assault on Omega. The biggest failing that Dark Horse's ME comics have had is that the artwork is either decent or downright bad.

[Padt]

Udalango wrote...

Am I the only one who doesnt like the "Original ending" either?
Why cant the Reapers just be bad guys. Why do they have to be the good guys

Eh. I would not say that I have a preference for one or the other, but that's chiefly because while I do have several problems with the ending we have now, the main ones have little to do with whichever plot device (be it "dark energy" or "synthetics vs organics") is used to justify the existence and purpose of the Reapers, and they mostly boil down to execution. If the final revelations regarding the ending had been presented in a less slipshod, frustratingly vague manner, if it would have provided a greater sense of closure regarding some of the character relationships developed throughout the series, if we'd been given a little more context regarding the way the choices we took during the game affected the galaxy as a whole afterward, and if the narrative had been executed in a way that would flowed ina  more logical and internally consistent manner, I'm pretty sure I could've lived with it. I probably still would've managed to find some issue, but I could've lived with it. Hopefully the Extended Cut will remedy at least some of that.

I mean, I don't even care that the devs seem to feel that Shepard "has" to die. Have him/her die, or let him/her have little blue babies or whatever. Either of those two works for me.

[Dr. Doctor]

I kind of wished that the Reapers' motivations were kept ambiguous. Sovereign was scary because he's this god-like intelligence who's purpose is beyond the understanding of organics. To me the Reapers should have been like Cthulhu, Galactus, or even the Darkspawn they're more like a force of nature rather than an adversary that you can completely understand.

[Premier Bromanov]

I agree. And part of what made Sovereign scary is that he addresses Shepard like he's an insect, and his mind is incapable of understanding his motivations (which, unfortunately, would turn out to be true, but not because the Reapers' motivations are ineffable). To take away the horror of something, let people understand it. Thus, the Reapers were a lot less menacing, and the player is left trying to comprehend this jumble of nonsense. If the Reapers had been kept eldritch horrors, Bioware could have focused more on wrapping up the series for every other aspect of the setting.

Anyway, I want to get these two pictures of Shepard & Jack being happy together, but the artist is playing hard to get. It's a pain.

[Padt]

There is great appeal in that, as well. Personally, I never had much issue with the notion that the Reapers do what they do simply because that is their means of perpetuating their species (that is to say, the cycle of extinction and harvesting is how they create new Reapers). If an ulterior motive for the cycle's existence had to be introduced, then, you know, that's okay too, but I would've been completely cool with it if we hadn't learned anything about the Reapers past what we saw in Mass Effect 2. At the end of the day, the Reapers' origins would've been fairly irrelevant. All that matters is that they're here, doing what they do.

As it stands now, the ending does this rather awkward dance that abruptly shifts the focus of the series' conflict away from the concrete threat of the Reapers (who have been at the center of everything for the past three games) to the abstract idea of synthetics rebelling against and eventually destroying organics. And in doing so it creates several uncomfortable questions, questions that we are unlikely to ever learn the answers to, but whose answers could have better informed which of the three choices to take when dealing with both the Reapers and the synthetic/organic conflict. Its execution just leaves a lot to be desired.

[Udalango]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

I kind of wished that the Reapers' motivations were kept ambiguous. Sovereign was scary because he's this god-like intelligence who's purpose is beyond the understanding of organics. To me the Reapers should have been like Cthulhu, Galactus, or even the Darkspawn they're more like a force of nature rather than an adversary that you can completely understand.

Agreed to like a thousand percent.   Sovereign was incredibly awesome as a bad guy and that is even when you spend what, 90% of the game thinking he is a spaceship.  He has his speech, which Star Brat just voids, and the fight with the Citadel.  With just that he was freaking scary.  
Harby isnt as scary but I mean he was controlling an entire species from Dark Space so he is immensely powerful.....but he barely shows up in the third game.

The Reapers were such a great bad guy because of their nonchalance in killing us all.  Killing us was akin to us brushing our teeth every morning and that is terrifying.  

Then they get castrated in the ending.  Why could Sovereign just told us that in ME?  UGH!

Ive got to the point where instead of being angry about the ending I just think about what other heros would do in Shepards situation.
What would Doctor Who say to Star Brat....Or Master Chief?  Or for the Lulz Kratos?

Or this would be fun, and brings my comment to the topic of this thread, what would our Jack say to Star Brat?

[Jonata]

Guys, I don't want to be the one to say this, but can we please not starting to talk about the ending's flaws here? This is almost the only thread I read everyday because it's the only one that is not constantly talking about these things. In the spoiler section of the forum there are 10 threads being created every minute to talk about every single flaw of the ending.

Please let this be a Jack thread... or at the very least, let's use it to talk about the possibility of a LI reunion, that it's more relevant. Talking about how bad the Reaper threat was ruined at the end of the Mass Effect 3 is something that dozens of other threads are doing right now.

[vX-INSANIAC-Xv]

It's a shame Wrex never got to hang out with Jack, I think those two would have got on so well. I also want to have Jack and Wrex in a squad with my Vanguard shep so we can charge some unsuspecting mercs somewhere just for fun.

[Jonata]

vX-INSANIAC-Xv wrote...

It's a shame Wrex never got to hang out with Jack, I think those two would have got on so well. I also want to have Jack and Wrex in a squad with my Vanguard shep so we can charge some unsuspecting mercs somewhere just for fun.

I don't know. Obviously Jack have a passion for destruction, but I always figured Wrex like some kind of "war vet grandpa"... oh wait, maybe he could become a father figure for her. That would be cool: imagine Jack and Shep going to Tuchanka for some kind of Christmas dinner! 

(I've heard Wrex's stuffed Pyjack is a true delicacy)

Modifié par Jonata, 05 juin 2012 - 01:43 .

[Premier Bromanov]

Went searching on Youtube for a video compilation of all of the Jack romance material in ME3. She has 4 minutes of content. Liara, Garrus and Tali have at least 15. Feels very...melancholy.

[vX-INSANIAC-Xv]

Jonata wrote...

vX-INSANIAC-Xv wrote...

It's a shame Wrex never got to hang out with Jack, I think those two would have got on so well. I also want to have Jack and Wrex in a squad with my Vanguard shep so we can charge some unsuspecting mercs somewhere just for fun.

I don't know. Obviously Jack have a passion for destruction, but I always figured Wrex like some kind of "war vet grandpa"... oh wait, maybe he could become a father figure for her. That would be cool: imagine Jack and Shep going to Tuchanka for some kind of Christmas dinner! 

(I've heard Wrex's stuffed Pyjack is a true delicacy)

Wrex has a natural respect for biotics, he mentions it in ME1 when he is part of the crew and I think he would see Jacks extreme biotic potential. Christmas dinner at Wrex's sounds good, i'll make sure Jack wears her party hat!

[Arlionis]

I have a question.

During my first ME3 playthrough Miranda died because in ME2 I played a Paragrade and was unable to make her loyal again after siding with Jack. I found out that's because Miranda always dies if she was not loyal in ME2.


I'm going to replay ME2 again soon, and I'm wondering if the same happens to Jack (her dying in ME3 if she was not loyal in ME2)

[His Name was HYR!!]

Arlionis wrote...

I have a question.

During my first ME3 playthrough Miranda died because in ME2 I played a Paragrade and was unable to make her loyal again after siding with Jack. I found out that's because Miranda always dies if she was not loyal in ME2.


I'm going to replay ME2 again soon, and I'm wondering if the same happens to Jack (her dying in ME3 if she was not loyal in ME2)

I played a ME3 career where I pissed off Jack in ME2 just to see what happens. There are 0 consequences for it. Everything plays out just like loyal non-romanced Jack.

[Dr. Doctor]

HYR 2.0 wrote...
I played a ME3 career where I pissed off Jack in ME2 just to see what happens. There are 0 consequences for it. Everything plays out just like loyal non-romanced Jack.

I was sort of disappointed with that, I was sort of expecting her to have a "Yeah, I've done pretty well for myself no thanks to you." sort of line to a Shepard who treated her like a jerk.

[Premier Bromanov]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...
I played a ME3 career where I pissed off Jack in ME2 just to see what happens. There are 0 consequences for it. Everything plays out just like loyal non-romanced Jack.

I was sort of disappointed with that, I was sort of expecting her to have a "Yeah, I've done pretty well for myself no thanks to you." sort of line to a Shepard who treated her like a jerk.

It's nice to see characters developing separately from Shepard, or even in spite of him.  But some acknowledgement would have been nice.

[fainmaca]

A thought occurred to me today as I was writing some more Jack material. Some of you may know from my Ink fic about the datapad Jack finds with Murtock's message on it. I was toying with the idea of maybe having her put it back together after it gets smashed (read the fic to see why), and keeping it, but then it occurred to me that, with everything she's been through, there would be no way for her to keep a hold of it. Further exploration of that point made me realise that also means she'd be unable to have any kind of prized possessions, what with her in-and-out relationship with prisons, constantly running from Cerberus, the law, rival gangs, the entire Hanar Illuminated Primacy. The only things she has that she can call her own are her tattoos.

That sort of shed a newer, more tragic light on Jack for me, and it makes my belief that she'd never want to cover them up even stronger.

Just my two cents for the day.

[Premier Bromanov]

That is saddening. Now that she's got a stable life, of sorts, she can finally have possessions. I wonder if she even knows what to do with property. Obviously she's intelligent enough to figure out property, but I mean, it must be weird for her to simply have things. For Jack to have a sense of permanence of the things around her must be unusual.

[vX-INSANIAC-Xv]

fainmaca wrote...

A thought occurred to me today as I was writing some more Jack material. Some of you may know from my Ink fic about the datapad Jack finds with Murtock's message on it. I was toying with the idea of maybe having her put it back together after it gets smashed (read the fic to see why), and keeping it, but then it occurred to me that, with everything she's been through, there would be no way for her to keep a hold of it. Further exploration of that point made me realise that also means she'd be unable to have any kind of prized possessions, what with her in-and-out relationship with prisons, constantly running from Cerberus, the law, rival gangs, the entire Hanar Illuminated Primacy. The only things she has that she can call her own are her tattoos.

That sort of shed a newer, more tragic light on Jack for me, and it makes my belief that she'd never want to cover them up even stronger.

Just my two cents for the day.

As soon as Jack said that some of her tattoos aren't anybody's buissness I knew that they were very personal for her, but reading that made me realise that they are all she really has. It was a good two cents my friend.

[fainmaca]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

That is saddening. Now that she's got a stable life, of sorts, she can finally have possessions. I wonder if she even knows what to do with property. Obviously she's intelligent enough to figure out property, but I mean, it must be weird for her to simply have things. For Jack to have a sense of permanence of the things around her must be unusual.

Would she even bother, do you think? I mean, when she had a sort of stable place on the Normandy, she only got a cot, those datapads, and her gun. Maybe she would just see anything else as so much crap and not bother with it.

I can picture her living a very spartan, utilitarian lifestyle.

[DarkPrinceRevan]

fainmaca wrote...

A thought occurred to me today as I was writing some more Jack material. Some of you may know from my Ink fic about the datapad Jack finds with Murtock's message on it. I was toying with the idea of maybe having her put it back together after it gets smashed (read the fic to see why), and keeping it, but then it occurred to me that, with everything she's been through, there would be no way for her to keep a hold of it. Further exploration of that point made me realise that also means she'd be unable to have any kind of prized possessions, what with her in-and-out relationship with prisons, constantly running from Cerberus, the law, rival gangs, the entire Hanar Illuminated Primacy. The only things she has that she can call her own are her tattoos.

That sort of shed a newer, more tragic light on Jack for me, and it makes my belief that she'd never want to cover them up even stronger.

Just my two cents for the day.

well that revaluation is all kinds of heartbreaking, maybe she could have like a secret stash somewhere on a far off moon. but on a happier note....biotic airdrop FTW, good thing Shepard didnt accidentally get spaced again that wouldve be awkward lol

[fainmaca]

DarkPrinceRevan wrote...

well that revaluation is all kinds of heartbreaking, maybe she could have like a secret stash somewhere on a far off moon. but on a happier note....biotic airdrop FTW, good thing Shepard didnt accidentally get spaced again that wouldve be awkward lol

I see the scenes in my mind, and then I write them. Glad you liked it. now i just need to convince Bioware to expand/remake ME3 and add this scene in.... plus every other scene about Jack that I've written.