Jonata wrote...
Logical reasoning?
Padt wrote...
While we're on the subject of ME3, I'm gonna write a little something here now, which is only really peripherally related to Jack, and only in the sense that it relates to all the squadmates from the previous game. Feel free to ignore this, if you like. It's bound to be a bunch on nonsensical rambling, and probably of not much interest to many people.
Prior to the release of ME3, here's how I honestly thought the game was going to play out in regards to your squad: at the beginning of the game, you would get something resembling a base, "skeleton" squad. Say maybe Liara, Vega, Garrus, Tali and the Virmire Survivor. Five members, the smallest squad of any ME game to date, but just about versatile enough to get you through most situations that the game could throw at you.
Then, just as the "spine" of ME2 revolved around recruiting squadmates and then helping them sort through personal issues via loyalty missions, the spine of ME3 would revolve around Shepard traveling across the galaxy, teaming up with former squadmates (who would essentially join up as temporary squadmates) for a few missions, then perhaps leaving them behind for whatever reason that could be considered germane to the squadmate or the situation - maybe the former squadmate would stay behind in order to secure alliances against the Reapers, maybe they would have personal business to take care of after helping Shepard. It doesn't matter. The point is, the ME3 squad would essentially work as a "revolving door" of sorts. The basic five - the new character and the fan-favorites - would always be there, yes, but pretty much everyone who has ever fought alongside you before would get to pitch in and do so again, at least for a little while. They could hang out on the Normandy for the duration of those missions, as well, and you could go talk to them after every mission just as you did in previous games.
So, basically: have to do some missions on Tuchanka? Maybe Grunt and/or Wrex are there, and they can join up with you for old times' sake, lend a hand. Have to do some missions in the Terminus Systems? Maybe you can contact Zaeed, who knows the terrain well, and he'll help you out. Have to do some missions against Cerberus? Hit up Miranda and/or Jacob, they can give you the goods. Have to do some missions on Kahje? Thane is sure to be around and he can do something for you. And so on and so forth. And in case a former squadmate can't temporarily join you because they died in a previous game - no muss, no fuss. Just choose someone from the "skeleton" squad. Maybe Vega can fill in for Grunt. Maybe Liara can fill in for Samara or Jack. And so it goes. But this way, you have a greater incentive to keep as many squadmates alive in your playthroughs, beyond just getting an increase in War Assets. You can make your squad a little richer and more varied, and you can hang out and fight alongside your old friends again, at least for a while.
I think this probably could've worked as the best of both worlds. You get to have all of your old squadmates back, but you also don't get penalized with a cripplingly small squad in case youwere too much of an idiotlost too many people in previous games. And hell, maybe you could use this little game structure as a method for some character work and development on your old squadmates. Maybe this is how Jacob could meet the Cerberus scientists that he wants to protect, and that would be the reason why he can't join you after his missions are over. Maybe this is how Jack would get to meet the Grissom Academy students and decide to become a teacher. Maybe this is how Grunt would rise to the top of the krogan food chain and become the leader of Aralakh Company. Maybe this is how you could find a cure for Thane...you get my point. And since the former squadmates are hanging out with you on the Normandy again, you could also take the opportunity to really squeeze out some interaction with them. Say each squadmate joins you for 1-3 missions. You could have a new conversation unlock after each of those missions, just like in ME2, and if the squadmate is also a love interest, maybe they could have a love scene in there just prior to leaving the ship.
I don't know. Maybe it would have been a little too costly and work-intensive for ME3 to play out like this. Each character would probably need to have a lot more dialogue, and naturally, also be developed as a combat-ready squadmate (that is, with their own power sets, weapon proficiencies, etc.). At the very least, I imagine it would have made ME3 a lengthier game. But I think it could've been fun. A little more dynamic, a little more interesting.
lillitheris wrote...
Jonata wrote...
Logical reasoning?
Yep. Pretty much none of the circumstances around ME3 make any logical sense if by it you mean planned.
Externally to the development itself, of course, lack of time and money is a good explanation for most problems.
spiros9110 wrote...
lillitheris wrote...
Jonata wrote...
Logical reasoning?
Yep. Pretty much none of the circumstances around ME3 make any logical sense if by it you mean planned.
Externally to the development itself, of course, lack of time and money is a good explanation for most problems.
And pandering to other more popular fanbases, which is understandable.
Dr. Doctor wrote...
Was anyone else sort of hoping for more interaction with Vega after he asks Shepard about becoming an N7?
Jack: Let me get this straight, you're meathead's teacher now?
Shepard: Normally we'd send him to N-School back in Rio, but considering that the Reapers reduced South America to a smoking ruin I'm the next best option.
Jack: So what's so special about your fancy boy scout camp?
Shepard: Twenty-hour days spent leading squads through the jungles for combat exercises, drops from high orbit, and that's just the easy stuff. Then after all that they send recruits into warzones, if the brass likes what they see you get N7.
Jack: Elysium was your big moment?
Shepard: Yeah, and it nearly killed me. After everyone we've lost so far I'm not so sure I want to throw James into the same situation.
Jack: Maybe he'll surprise you. I know my kids did.
Shepard: Maybe. You know, considering everything you've done you could get an N7 commendation yourself.
Jack: Not really my style big guy. 'Sides I'm not interested in becoming queen of the boy scouts anytime soon don't want anyone taking that job away from you.
Shepard: You could always be queen of the girl scouts.
Jack: You make a crack about baking cookies and I'm gonna have to punch you.
spiros9110 wrote...
lillitheris wrote...
Jonata wrote...
Logical reasoning?
Yep. Pretty much none of the circumstances around ME3 make any logical sense if by it you mean planned.
Externally to the development itself, of course, lack of time and money is a good explanation for most problems.
And pandering to other more popular fanbases, which is understandable.
Modifié par lillitheris, 18 juin 2012 - 12:57 .
Jonata wrote...
Dr. Doctor wrote...
Was anyone else sort of hoping for more interaction with Vega after he asks Shepard about becoming an N7?
Jack: Let me get this straight, you're meathead's teacher now?
Shepard: Normally we'd send him to N-School back in Rio, but considering that the Reapers reduced South America to a smoking ruin I'm the next best option.
Jack: So what's so special about your fancy boy scout camp?
Shepard: Twenty-hour days spent leading squads through the jungles for combat exercises, drops from high orbit, and that's just the easy stuff. Then after all that they send recruits into warzones, if the brass likes what they see you get N7.
Jack: Elysium was your big moment?
Shepard: Yeah, and it nearly killed me. After everyone we've lost so far I'm not so sure I want to throw James into the same situation.
Jack: Maybe he'll surprise you. I know my kids did.
Shepard: Maybe. You know, considering everything you've done you could get an N7 commendation yourself.
Jack: Not really my style big guy. 'Sides I'm not interested in becoming queen of the boy scouts anytime soon don't want anyone taking that job away from you.
Shepard: You could always be queen of the girl scouts.
Jack: You make a crack about baking cookies and I'm gonna have to punch you.
Jack: ...again.
Modifié par The Naga, 18 juin 2012 - 03:44 .
The Naga wrote...
For everyone else who played Mass Effect and made the best mistakes.
Modifié par Jonata, 18 juin 2012 - 04:02 .
lillitheris wrote...
spiros9110 wrote...
lillitheris wrote...
Jonata wrote...
Logical reasoning?
Yep. Pretty much none of the circumstances around ME3 make any logical sense if by it you mean planned.
Externally to the development itself, of course, lack of time and money is a good explanation for most problems.
And pandering to other more popular fanbases, which is understandable.
Let me just reassure you, once again, that we of the other fanbases don’t really feel pandered to. We got hit with slightly smaller bats, or so.
GeneralSlotts193 wrote...
Meh. I feel like Jack made out like a bandit content wise especially given her small role. Most of the other ME2 exclusives got dumped on, and I wouldn't say that the ME3 squad fared that much better.
GeneralSlotts193 wrote...
Meh. I feel like Jack made out like a bandit content wise especially given her small role. Most of the other ME2 exclusives got dumped on, and I wouldn't say that the ME3 squad fared that much better. Although I did enjoy my conversations with Garrus, which surprised myself.
Modifié par Jonata, 18 juin 2012 - 06:58 .
yejo wrote...
This would be super if they could manage it
Udalango wrote...
Padt your game sounds awesome!
Christ, but I love that line. Have ever since I saw it in the leaked script.The Naga wrote...
For everyone else who played Mass Effect and made the best mistakes.
Jonata wrote...
What surprised me, instead, is how enjoyable Vega turned out to be. Not at a ME2 level, but pretty funny for the dumb marine sterotype.
GeneralSlotts193 wrote...
Meh. I feel like Jack made out like a bandit content wise especially given her small role. Most of the other ME2 exclusives got dumped on, and I wouldn't say that the ME3 squad fared that much better. Although I did enjoy my conversations with Garrus, which surprised myself.
The Naga wrote...
GeneralSlotts193 wrote...
Meh. I feel like Jack made out like a bandit content wise especially given her small role. Most of the other ME2 exclusives got dumped on, and I wouldn't say that the ME3 squad fared that much better. Although I did enjoy my conversations with Garrus, which surprised myself.
Honestly, I think that serves more as a testament to the richness of Jack as a character than it does the intentions of the Mass Effect writing crew.
spiros9110 wrote...
The Naga wrote...
Honestly, I think that serves more as a testament to the richness of Jack as a character than it does the intentions of the Mass Effect writing crew.
Well we have the writers from ME2 to thank.
Jonata wrote...
spiros9110 wrote...
The Naga wrote...
Honestly, I think that serves more as a testament to the richness of Jack as a character than it does the intentions of the Mass Effect writing crew.
Well we have the writers from ME2 to thank.
The ME3 writers were actually pretty good in carrying on her character development. The defeat of her past was a very sensitive theme and they pulled off the new Jack perfectly, I think we must give them that.
Also the fact that they actually redesigned her means that they pulled some resources and time in Jack. The "fanbase appealing" changes were probably decided by someone else and the team behind Jack just had to deal with only 5 minutes of screentime.
And they pulled off a hell of a work with so little screentime.
spiros9110 wrote...
Ah, I semi-agree. As I stated before I was just missing the emotional aspect of their relationship, so I don't know if I can blame the writers/budget/or just overall vision of what they saw for her - it was their character, but I think fans really made it who she was today, especially with some of the character analyzation over the past two years. We were truly a lucky group of fans. I like her more just because of some of the fanfic I've read and what influence her character has had on me, personally.
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