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[KingNothing125]

Jonata wrote...

Never read Jack-fanfictions, I'm not much into that kind of thing at all

I probably sound like a bit of a broken record by now with how much I gush over it, but I stand by my recommendation...

If you only read one person's Jack fan-fiction, make it Mondo47's. I know exactly where you're coming from. I'm also
not into fan fiction at all... so take it from me, when I recommend fan fiction, it's worth a read. No disrespect to any other writers here, but Mondo's characterization of Jack is so consistently excellent that it could be mistaken for BioWare's own in-house Jack writers. And given how short-changed we were by ME3, her short stories add that extra bit of Jack characterization we're missing.

Modifié par KingNothing125, 19 juin 2012 - 12:18 .

[Padt]

Yeah, I'll say. I'm also not one for reading fan fiction. Just not something that holds my interest all that much. I've leafed through a Jack thing or two that I might have stumbled across while traversing the internet, mostly out of a (perhaps morbid) sense of curiosity. Most of it hasn't been...very good...let's say...but I've also sifted through a couple of Mondo's writings, and...yeah, I have to say she really does a pretty solid job of reproducing Jack's voice. You can almost hear Courtenay Taylor saying her words as you read them in your mind.

Modifié par Padt, 19 juin 2012 - 01:13 .

[Jonata]

KingNothing125 wrote...

Jonata wrote...

Never read Jack-fanfictions, I'm not much into that kind of thing at all

I probably sound like a bit of a broken record by now with how much I gush over it, but I stand by my recommendation...

If you only read one person's Jack fan-fiction, make it Mondo47's. I know exactly where you're coming from. I'm also
not into fan fiction at all... so take it from me, when I recommend fan fiction, it's worth a read. No disrespect to any other writers here, but Mondo's characterization of Jack is so consistently excellent that it could be mistaken for BioWare's own in-house Jack writers. And given how short-changed we were by ME3, her short stories add that extra bit of Jack characterization we're missing.

Padt wrote...

Yeah, I'll say. I'm also not one for reading fan fiction. Just not something that holds my interest all that much. I've leafed through a Jack thing or two that I might have stumbled across while traversing the internet, mostly out of a (perhaps morbid) sense of curiosity. Most of it hasn't been...very good...let's say...but I've also sifted through a couple of Mondo's writings, and...yeah, I have to say she really does a pretty solid job of reproducing Jack's voice. You can almost hear Courtenay Taylor saying her words as you read them in your mind.

 


Well I really do appreciate fan-made content when Jack don't look out of character (her part in Koobismo's awesome Marauder Shield Comic, for example, or even Dr. Doctor's skits here on the thread) so thank you for the hint. 

I'm pretty busy these days but summer is coming, I'll be sure to check Mondo's stories whenever I can. I already read one or two lines out of churiosity and at the very least I like the style. I'll let you know! 

[spirosz]

Things Worth Keeping by Urdaniel is such a great one, I love it.

My favourite one has to be Fight For The Lost - This one hasn't been updated in a while, but I got really emotional going through a lot of it, just really well written and great.

Sundown and Fainmaca both have great stories as well, though Fain's is more focused on ME3 story itself (which I find better than what we got in-game, but again, that's like comparing a book to a movie, I'll usually pick the book.

As everyone has said, read Mondo's blogs, they're wonderful and she really captures Jack so naturally.

This is also a one shot attempt, which I find captures Jack really well towards the end of it - If I Die

Modifié par spiros9110, 19 juin 2012 - 02:37 .

[CrimsonN7]

Padt wrote...

Yeah, I'll say. I'm also not one for reading fan fiction. Just not something that holds my interest all that much. I've leafed through a Jack thing or two that I might have stumbled across while traversing the internet, mostly out of a (perhaps morbid) sense of curiosity. Most of it hasn't been...very good...let's say...

Shipping character's who make absolutely no sense together is very prominent in alot of fanfics I have stumbled across lately. One pet peeve of mine is Miranda/Jack, doesn't make a lick of sense:huh:

[Shaleist]

I'm taking in some of the Jack fan fiction. Can't say I normally have a positive look of fan fiction, as I like the canon story to be as rewarding as possible. Making an exception for Jack.

[CrimsonN7]

Shaleist wrote...

I'm taking in some of the Jack fan fiction. Can't say I normally have a positive look of fan fiction, as I like the canon story to be as rewarding as possible. Making an exception for Jack.

I read a nice bit of fanfiction myself, some great, some not so, but I prefer pieces that stick to ingame established relationship arches, but these shipping together characters who either hate one another or have nothing to do with one another ever is just pointless IMO and takes away from the personalities of the characters.



Found this, I like it even though I'm getting a Keira Knightley vibe a little:whistle:

[Shaleist]

Agreed. Truth be told the only character in the whole series who had a semi-attraction to Jack seems to have been James Vega. And that wasn't much more than a comment.

[CrimsonN7]

Shaleist wrote...

Agreed. Truth be told the only character in the whole series who had a semi-attraction to Jack seems to have been James Vega. And that wasn't much more than a comment.

Vega liked to send out alot of mixed signals, my femshep called him out on his bulls*it:D Lots of people pined after Vega, not my femshep though, no in ME2 Jack liked to slowly torture my femshep:( Ugh I crushed hard after her. My femshep is loyal to Liara but damn having Jack on my ship wasn't easy. Still annoyed that Jack wasn't a romance option for femshep, Jack would have made sense being an option for femshep as we know she had relationships with women in the past. I don't like playing broshep but I give him one run out simply for my love of Jack:wub:



Numerous playthroughs that bit still makes me laugh^_^

[spirosz]

My favourite line from her, haha. On my first ME2 playthrough, I paused and said - wait, what did she just say to me, while laughing, haha. I'm actually surprised that they didn't go that route with her either, it would of seemed cliche almost.

[CrimsonN7]

spiros9110 wrote...

My favourite line from her, haha. On my first ME2 playthrough, I paused and said - wait, what did she just say to me, while laughing, haha. I'm actually surprised that they didn't go that route with her either, it would of seemed cliche almost.

When I look at the Kaidan romance option for broshep it seemed to come out of nowhere, I don't recall him mentioning anything about past romances with men in his life but Jack did mention encounters with women in hers, and it would have been far more convincing than Kaidan's sudden option IMO. I've seen some folks wanting Miranda, Tali and Ashley as same-sex options but I wouldn't agree there as these characters are straight and to go against that would be inconsistent IMO. Broshep shouldn't have had Jack all to himself;)

[Premier Bromanov]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

Still annoyed that Jack wasn't a romance option for femshep, Jack would have made sense being an option for femshep as we know she had relationships with women in the past. I don't like playing broshep but I give him one run out simply for my love of Jack:wub:

Doesn't necessarily mean she's gay, or bi.  There are a lot of things to consider, about that.

You're talking about the way she offhandedly makes a remark about "boyfriends or girlfriends" when Shepard asks her if she's seeing someone?  I viewed that as Jack calling Shepard out on assuming she might be bi or gay, based on her appearance and attitude, in the same way many players got called out on the same thing for the same reason. 

I like that they did that, and I know some FemShep players got butthurt about that. Something similar was done with Cortez and Traynor, and that was well done, too.

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 19 juin 2012 - 04:02 .

[CrimsonN7]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

I like that they did that, and I know some FemShep players got butthurt about that. Something similar was done with Cortez and Traynor, and that was well done, too.

Yeah Traynor shooting down broshep pretty quick made me lol alright, now you know the pain of rejection bro:D Bro Shep has it too good, that was sweet:P Her very "close relationship" with those former friends of hers set off my alarm bells, but alas for my femshep it's not meant to be:( Nah I wouldn't go by her appearance more of what she said, looks can be decieving;)

[KingNothing125]

Jack does mention that she ran with a couple of pirates who "helped her into their bed" soon after escaping from Teltin, but like you said, that doesn't necessarily mean she's bi. Threesomes are a gray area, and add to the mix drugs and personal discovery/insecurity, and god only knows why she got down with those two. She killed them though, so it clearly didn't mean much.

I'm with Epantiras who said she was pleasantly surprised that Jack was just plain ol' straight rather than bi. The badass goth/punk chick with a troubled past being bi is pretty cliche, as was mentioned above.

[The Naga]

KingNothing125 wrote...

Jack does mention that she ran with a couple of pirates who "helped her into their bed" soon after escaping from Teltin, but like you said, that doesn't necessarily mean she's bi. Threesomes are a gray area, and add to the mix drugs and personal discovery/insecurity, and god only knows why she got down with those two. She killed them though, so it clearly didn't mean much.

I'm with Epantiras who said she was pleasantly surprised that Jack was just plain ol' straight rather than bi. The badass goth/punk chick with a troubled past being bi is pretty cliche, as was mentioned above.

Agreed.

[Premier Bromanov]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

Premier Bromanov wrote...

I like that they did that, and I know some FemShep players got butthurt about that. Something similar was done with Cortez and Traynor, and that was well done, too.

Yeah Traynor shooting down broshep pretty quick made me lol alright, now you know the pain of rejection bro:D Bro Shep has it too good, that was sweet:P Her very "close relationship" with those former friends of hers set off my alarm bells, but alas for my femshep it's not meant to be:( Nah I wouldn't go by her appearance more of what she said, looks can be decieving;)

I haven't played through far enough even once to see MaleShep get rejected.  I just know that it happens. 

"Close re'ationship"?  Are you talking about that girl and her boyfriend "welcoming" Jack "in to their bed"?  That's an expression, meaning to invite someone to take part in illicit activity.  Jack's life is filled with people manipulating her so that they could take advantage of her.  And there are even more things to consider than what's been mentioned already.

[spirosz]

I wonder if her Murdock speech would of turned out differently if she was bi. Anyways, I would of been cool with her being bi, as long as it didn't take anything away from the script we had in ME2, I'm all down for it. You could always mod the game anyway, haha.

[Premier Bromanov]

spiros9110 wrote...

I wonder if her Murdock speech would of turned out differently if she was bi. Anyways, I would of been cool with her being bi, as long as it didn't take anything away from the script we had in ME2, I'm all down for it. You could always mod the game anyway, haha.

I would mind it, because it does play right in to a pernicious stereotype that Jack being straight works to fight.  That is, stereotypes about sexual orientation.  That is how and why Cortez and Traynor fit in to this, as well.

[CrimsonN7]

I just could have pictured Jack being Bi not just on the threesome remark but on her personality as a whole, Ashley and Miranda no both a bit too uptight, Jack yep, she just gives off that pretty confident laidback attitude. If Kaidan could declare his sudden love for broshep, why couldn't femshep have Jack as an option? Being bi is pretty natural so I would have liked to have seen this option spread out more in LI.

[Premier Bromanov]

CrimsonN7 wrote...

I just could have pictured Jack being Bi not just on the threesome remark but on her personality as a whole, Ashley and Miranda no both a bit too uptight, Jack yep, she just gives off that pretty confident laidback attitude. If Kaidan could declare his sudden love for broshep, why couldn't femshep have Jack as an option? Being bi is pretty natural so I would have liked to have seen this option spread out more in LI.

Technically, it wasn't "sudden", because the option was simply never offered in ME1, and ME2 excluded the VS altogether.  Or, if it is "sudden", it's only from a meta-perspective.

Jack, however, says she's not interested in women, when FemShep propositions her.  If Jack were suddenly interested in FemShep in ME3, not only would it fit her in to the stereotype that is fought by Jack being straight, it would cheapen Jack's decision.  That's not to mention that it would be extremely abrupt, giving her very minor role in ME3.  She's not even romanceable in ME3 by MaleSheps if she wasn't romanced by MaleSheps in ME2.

I don't really see how a person having a laidback personality has anything to do their sexual orientation.  Regarding the "threesome" comment, I addressed that before.

[CrimsonN7]

Fair enough I take your points. In regards to Jack and her laidback personality what I mean is her having maybe a more liberal outlook towards sexual encounters and partners. Although this is not always a healthy thing, some of these came from a dark time in her past, she's a damaged person, others have exploited that vulnerability.:(Personally I would have loved it if Jack was an option in ME2 but alas it's not meant to be so this gives me a reason to play broshep as I wouldn't bother with him otherwise. Seriously Meers voice, it's hard to focus, must fight the monotone-_-

Modifié par CrimsonN7, 19 juin 2012 - 05:21 .

[axl99]

Jack saying no to femShep in ME2 is nothing compared to the figurative ****block that was Samara.
I honestly wouldn't have it any other way.

[Udalango]

Im with Bromanov. If Iwould have found out Jack was Bi I would have rolled my eyes and not gone after her anymore. It woulda have just seemed like they Looked at a list of cliches and checked them all off. Doesnt mean she would have been cliche but I sure wouldnt have found out

[Jonata]

Agree with those against Jack being bi. In other BioWare games, like Dragon Age 2, all the characters seem to have a grey sexuality to appease the player, but Mass Effect as a series did very much to help fight those stereotypes and to introduce homosexuality/bisexuality in videogames in a very natural way.

Now Kaidan, IIRC, actually makes some kind of homophobic remarks when you romance Liara with FemShep in ME1, so his relationship with ManShep in ME3 may fall in the "only to appease the players category". Jack instead never was a character to "appease the player".

She is the way she is. I think it doesn't only help to fight prejudice and to exclude her from the "bad girls cliché" category, but also makes clear that she's not there to be the player's toy but to be herself, without compromise.

EDIT: also, I like the fact that she is not romanceable at all in ME3 if you have not romanced her in ME2. It means that you have to commit to what she is in order to romance her, you can't just like her now that she dealt with her past and she's more "calm and funny" and "got some hair" and go away with it.

Modifié par Jonata, 19 juin 2012 - 10:46 .

[lillitheris]

Jonata wrote...

Now Kaidan, IIRC, actually made some kind of homophobic remarks when you romance Liara with FemShep in ME1, …

YDRC.

She is the way she is. I think it doesn't only help to fight prejudice and to exclude her from the "bad girls cliché" category, but also makes clear that she's not there to be the player's toy but to be herself, without compromise.

She’s only a toy for some players currently, instead.

I’d reiterate that ‘different sexual orientation depending on the sex of the player character’ is not the same as ‘bisexual’, but people are so hung up in orientation that it‘s just pointless…the majority is attached to theirs with the strength only insecurity creates, and the minority (somewhat justified) feels any malleability delegitimizes their orientation.

So, you know. Whatever.