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[Labrev]

idoless24 wrote...

kumquats wrote...

I agree.It seems to me that Jack is even shy in that scene. There's some making out going on, but nothing sexual at all. It's pure romance!

I agree too! I find it hard to believe that maleshep would "perform the deed" while she's crying. I imagine him comforting her while the scene fades to black until she's truly comfortable with someone she loves touching her at all.

Yeah, I also don't imagine that they do anything sexual. It's more appropriate that they wouldn't.

EDIT: as for GO's original question, I feel like Jack and Shepard are not too strange a couple depending on the character you've made. I consider Shepard to be a bit of a loner himself, no real close friends, keeping everything at business-level. With Jack it's different because she's not like that, and forces him to get away from that a bit. This Shep is also an earthborn who's been through some crap early on, so in some ways, he can relate.

The responsibilities of keeping a relationship will definitely have its difficulties. But as Thane says once, "all things worth keeping are (difficult)."

Modifié par Hah Yes Reapers, 08 juillet 2011 - 05:23 .

[idoless24]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

idoless24 wrote...

kumquats wrote...

I agree.It seems to me that Jack is even shy in that scene. There's some making out going on, but nothing sexual at all. It's pure romance!

I agree too! I find it hard to believe that maleshep would "perform the deed" while she's crying. I imagine him comforting her while the scene fades to black until she's truly comfortable with someone she loves touching her at all.

Yeah, I also don't imagine that they do anything sexual. It's more appropriate that they wouldn't.

EDIT: as for GO's original question, I feel like Jack and Shepard are not too strange a couple depending on the character you've made. I consider Shepard to be a bit of a loner himself, no real close friends, keeping everything at business-level. With Jack it's different because she's not like that, and forces him to get away from that a bit. This Shep is also an earthborn who's been through some crap early on, so in some ways, he can relate.

The responsibilities of keeping a relationship will definitely have its difficulties. But as Thane says once, "all things worth keeping are (difficult)."

I never made a maleshep but I definitely agree with what you're saying. My femshep is an earth born and a sole survivor so I always felt that her and Jack would have some great friendship dialogue in being kindred spirits of the loner variety. Hopefully in ME3 it will happen.

[spirosz]

My Canon Shepard is a Colonist and War Hero. With having his whole family killed, it just pushed him towards being a stronger person and willing to try to bring good to the galaxy. Sure it's a flawed place, but yet so beautiful and that's what he saw in Jack; seeing her tough and doesn't give a f*ck attitude didn't push him away from her, it made him see that there is a beautiful, caring, and very complex person. And I cannot wait to see the character development for her in ME3

[Golden Owl]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...



EDIT: as for GO's original question, I feel like Jack and Shepard are not too strange a couple depending on the character you've made. I consider Shepard to be a bit of a loner himself, no real close friends, keeping everything at business-level. With Jack it's different because she's not like that, and forces him to get away from that a bit. This Shep is also an earthborn who's been through some crap early on, so in some ways, he can relate.

The responsibilities of keeping a relationship will definitely have its difficulties. But as Thane says once, "all things worth keeping are (difficult)."

I did this too, for the same reasons...I had originally started with a Spacer, but him telling people he understands in ME2, had me thinking 'How?'....So eventually went back to ME1, recreated him and changed his history to Earthborn, yes Jack played a big part in that decision.

As for strange couple....Sheps personality wise (mines paragon), I didn't feel odd there...It was the visual appearance that threw me, my Shep looks VERY clean cut, he and Jack look like they have about as much in common as day and night appearance wise, I have seen plenty of Sheps who look perfect though (My canon Shep remains single ). Though thinking about it, my own argument falls flat for me, considering my own life...In my hey day, my presentation was pretty much a clean cut gypsy, where as my hubby was a Skin Head....different much...........And yep, of course he thinks Jacks appearance is absolutely awesome.....

[Slurms McKenzie]

I'm back folks! Missed me? Go on you know you did!

The screen on me pc broke....all I could see was weird colours and shapes, like it was some major tripout session, took longer than expected to sort out too. Anyway, what have I missed in the meantime? Any exciting Jack-related news?

Good Luck and Stay Safe

[GodWood]

Slurms McKenzie wrote...
Any exciting Jack-related news?

Nope

[AresXX7]

Alright Jack fans, lately I've been trying my hand at making banners of my favorite characters.
(hoping to get better as I go along)

Here's one I made for Jack/Subject Zero.

Hopefully it does her some justice.



If anyone happens to like it enough to use it, feel free to do so.

[Homebound]

sometimes i look at this world of ours and i cant help feel like people like Jack are the real sane ones. why is no one else going crazy from all the things that go on from sun up to sunset?

[Epantiras]

AresXX7 wrote...

Alright Jack fans, lately I've been trying my hand at making banners of my favorite characters.
(hoping to get better as I go along)

Here's one I made for Jack/Subject Zero.

Hopefully it does her some justice.



If anyone happens to like it enough to use it, feel free to do so.

Nice banner :-) too bad my signature space is already so crowded.

[KyreneZA]

Some more love(-ly Jack)...


(taking her with on Zaeed's loyalty mission)


(after her own loyalty mission)

Edit: removed the non-Jack-centric images

Modifié par Kyrene, 15 juillet 2011 - 08:01 .

[spirosz]

AresXX7 wrote...

Alright Jack fans, lately I've been trying my hand at making banners of my favorite characters.
(hoping to get better as I go along)

Here's one I made for Jack/Subject Zero.

Hopefully it does her some justice.



If anyone happens to like it enough to use it, feel free to do so.

Great banner   Love the colour tone with it, suites her well. 

[Garlador]

I'm very eager to see her with some hair on her head. I'm also curious if she's gotten any new tattoos (and whether Shepard will need to do a full-body inspection just to make sure...)

[idoless24]

Garlador wrote...

I'm very eager to see her with some hair on her head. I'm also curious if she's gotten any new tattoos (and whether Shepard will need to do a full-body inspection just to make sure...)

I truly think she should just stay bald but if they supply her with hair then I would hope they keep her character in mind (must I bring up Ashley?). Maybe shaved shaved sides with a ponytail? Functional, out of the way, and yet still Jack's rebellious taste.

[Ninjapino]

yorkj86 wrote...

I'm tired of conversations about Jack's new hair, so let's talk about something different.  I'd post this in the ME2 Jack thread, but it's not very active, anymore.

Jack: "Shepard, you got feelings for me? 'Cause I don't need the complication."
Here are the two conversations between Shepard and Jack that start the romance, in ME2:

Jack: Shepard, you got feelings for me? 'Cause I don't need the complication.
Shepard: Yes. Freaks you out, doesn't it?
Jack: Leave me alone, Shepard. I don't want this.
Shepard: You're lying.

OR

Jack: Shepard, you got feelings for me? 'Cause I don't need the complication.
Shepard: I'm not buying it, Jack. You're trying too hard.
Jack: Screw you. You don't know me. I've had enough.
Shepard: Fine with me.
Jack: You're too needy. That's not my thing.
Shepard: Riiiight.

In the other thread, we've talked about these conversations are creepy (and how the Neutral conversation option tends to avoid the creepiness).  This is a different question, though - Is it right of Shepard, to push Jack like this, after she says that she's not interested?  Even if she is interested, it's immaterial, as Shepard is essentially saying that he knows Jack better than she knows herself (hence the creepiness).  It's like being told "C'mon, you know you wanna."

From personal experiance, sometimes when you know there is something between you and another person, you have to push it if you actually want it to go anywhere.  Sometimes you care about someone and they care about you, but because of their issues, they want to avoid it as much as possible.  Is it ideal?  No.  But sometimes you have to say, "You know what?  Screw you, I know you're lying just to avoid complication.  I'm not letting you go that easily because I care about you, too." 

Of course, you need to be absolutly CERTAIN that that's the way it is and that you're not just an pushy, moronic jerk...a very fine line, indeed. 

[Epantiras]

yorkj86 wrote...
In the other thread, we've talked about these conversations are creepy (and how the Neutral conversation option tends to avoid the creepiness).  This is a different question, though - Is it right of Shepard, to push Jack like this, after she says that she's not interested?  Even if she is interested, it's immaterial, as Shepard is essentially saying that he knows Jack better than she knows herself (hence the creepiness).  It's like being told "C'mon, you know you wanna."

That's the reason that made me feel bad about the Jack romance: she says "no" but Shep replies "C'mon, you know you wanna."
But, with someone like Jack who keeps people at a distance, it will take patience and efforts to get through the walls she build around herself. If Shepard replied "ok, fine" instead then there would have been no romance. the problem with ME2 is that the writers had a limited number to conversation at their disposal to show Shepard gradually getting close to Jack, therefore it all seems rushed. I guess that if Jack were a real person, it would take *a lot* more go get to her heart than Shepard's smartass replies

EDIT

EDIT: Also, it's one thing to pursue someone romantically.  It's another
thing to accuse them of lying, or of not knowing themselves, when they
reject your advances.

I agree with you. If I were Jack, I would have smeared the walls with Shepard's bowels as soon as he had accused me of not knowing myself... but they *had* to put *sshole renegade options after all.

Modifié par Epantiras, 10 juillet 2011 - 10:28 .

[Ninjapino]

yorkj86 wrote...

But what indication was there, before, that the interest was mutual, especially from Jack's side? By that time, the only thing Shepard has to go on, is "Okay, she's just being tsundere, let's push her a little," which seems wrong.

EDIT: Also, it's one thing to pursue someone romantically.  It's another thing to accuse them of lying, or of not knowing themselves, when they reject your advances.

Yeah, that's actually really true.  Sorry, I was just pulling from personal experiance.  In that situation, though, there really wasn't much indication so Shep does come off pretty damn pushy.

[fainmaca]

Well, one thing to keep in mind is the Renegade romance option has already passed by. That hints to me she's getting a little freaked out by him constantly coming to talk with her, putting up with her, and yet not making a move. In Jack's mind at this point, she's asking 'why hasn't he screwed me yet? Is he waiting for permission? F**k it, I'll go ahead and give him permission, maybe he'll leave me alone then.' Then, when he makes it clear that's not what he's after, she starts to get confused about it. She really just finds it so strange that someone approaches her just to talk to 'Jack', and not for 'that tattooed ****', looking for a quick screw, and not for 'Subject Zero' to tear someone a new rear end, that she automatically locks down, shutting it out. We're scared by the unfamiliar. And when all you know is pushing people away, that's what your gonna do.

By the time the Paragon option comes around, Shepard has been down to speak with her three times, even turning down one of her advances previously. He's helped her through a very emotional ordeal, so he's gained some insight into her at this point. Sure, you'd need a psych degree and a mountain of patience before you could really understand her, but I was already seeing the pattern that she didn't want me close the moment I started talking to her like a person and not an asset to the team. So pushing then didn't feel as wrong to me as some of you have mentioned.

This conversation also has one of my fave lines in it. After Shepard says 'Riiight.', Jack says 'Stop it. This should be easy, why aren't you easy?"

It just encapsulates for me what I find so intriguing about her.

[Gethforceone]

yorkj86 wrote...

But what indication was there, before, that the interest was mutual, especially from Jack's side? By that time, the only thing Shepard has to go on, is "Okay, she's just being tsundere, let's push her a little," which seems wrong.

EDIT: Also, it's one thing to pursue someone romantically.  It's another thing to accuse them of lying, or of not knowing themselves, when they reject your advances.

Never really thought about it that way, the paragon line does seem really pushy.
So I'd say neutral is ideal in this situation.

[Vertigo_1]

twitter.com/#!/patsquinade/status/90258605617586176

"Lots of old friends grow and change in ME3. Jack is one of my favorites now."

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 11 juillet 2011 - 03:20 .

[spirosz]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/patsquinade/status/90258605617586176

"Lots of old friends grow and change in ME3. Jack is one of my favorites now."

The one word that is worrying me - "now"  Why now, why not before?  Bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the way people word somethings, I could just be reading into it too much.

Modifié par spiros9110, 11 juillet 2011 - 04:27 .