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[Dragon_Claw]

Got bored, made this.

[KyreneZA]

Been a while, but (looks in wallet...) I'm still a card-carrying Jackolyte, so greetings all you fellow 'lytes!

Wanted to ask, what would Jack think about your Shepard choosing the Control ending and becoming all "I'm The Matrix"? My Jack's (canon; is there any other canon Shepard?) Shepard is just Paragade enough that he might pull it off for all those millenia without going batsh*t crazy, but what would she think about it all? Would she 'ascend' too at a later stage to be with him? Would she be against the very idea of such control? Your thoughts please...

[Premier Bromanov]

Kyrene wrote...

Been a while, but (looks in wallet...) I'm still a card-carrying Jackolyte, so greetings all you fellow 'lytes!

Wanted to ask, what would Jack think about your Shepard choosing the Control ending and becoming all "I'm The Matrix"? My Jack's (canon; is there any other canon Shepard?) Shepard is just Paragade enough that he might pull it off for all those millenia without going batsh*t crazy, but what would she think about it all? Would she 'ascend' too at a later stage to be with him? Would she be against the very idea of such control? Your thoughts please...

Jack might ask Hackett if he knows what happened to her boyfriend.  She might do a little searching of her own.  Reaper-Shepard would send her some kind of message.  She'd smile, and be sad for a while, but ultimately move on.

As we know from Legion's loyalty mission, Jack doesn't look very kindly upon someone forcing other people to obey them.  "If you screw with my head, made me nod and smile at everything... I'd rather you blew my head off. Let me die as me."  It would appear Jack would have personally chosen Destroy, maybe Refuse.

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 16 août 2012 - 12:36 .

[MattFini]

Premier Bromanov wrote...
It would appear Jack would have personally chosen Destroy, maybe Refuse.

I concur.  I think that's why my MaleShep - across all playthroughs - goes for Jack. I like her outlook on these things and I feel like her reaction to the Catalyst would've been the same as my Shepard's:  destroy those bastards.  It's the only way to get rid of them forever.

I like that kind of assertiveness because, in my mind, the other options (control and synthesis) were never options to begin with. 

[Jonata]

My personal opinion about Jack facing the death of Shepard and the arrival of Synthesis above the Galaxy is that Jack will first oppose it very hard, maybe hating Shepard for a while.

Then, when scientists will be able to cure her problem with neural decay, and she'll see what the Galaxy is becoming, she'll gradually accept what he did, ultimately accepting her new attitude and embracing the fact that war could be over forever.

"Nice job, boyscout."

[Premier Bromanov]

Jonata wrote...

My personal opinion about Jack facing the death of Shepard and the arrival of Synthesis above the Galaxy is that Jack will first oppose it very hard, maybe hating Shepard for a while.

Then, when scientists will be able to cure her problem with neural decay, and she'll see what the Galaxy is becoming, she'll gradually accept what he did, ultimately accepting her new attitude and embracing the fact that war could be over forever.

"Nice job, boyscout."

I think she would hate him for much longer than a while.  Synthesis is a gross violation of her body, and reminiscent of what happened to her at Teltin.  The only things that might ease her down from her hatred would be knowing that he was the one responsible for this (which might actually sustain her anger), and believing that he had no other choice given the circumstances.  And, yes, I used "believe" intentionally, because every Shepard has multiple choices available to them.  No one other than Shepard is privy to that knowledge, however.

[MattFini]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

I think she would hate him for much longer than a while.  Synthesis is a gross violation of her body, and reminiscent of what happened to her at Teltin.  

This hits too close to home for her ... I can't see her taking it very well at all. 

Jack's fiercely independent, and having something like this imposed on her takes a piece of that away.  Factor in her already volatile-yet-recovering mental state, and you've got a recipe for disaster. And that's before you even factor in that Shepard is taken away from her in this scenario.  

She might soldier on for the sake of her kids, but I see a piece of her dying inside, too. 

Modifié par MattFini, 16 août 2012 - 03:54 .

[Dr. Doctor]

 The thing with Synthesis is that while it ushers in a golden age for galactic civilization it's still Shepard forcing all life in the galaxy to change against their will. Destroy wipes out the Geth and EDI both who have acheived sentience just because their synthetic. Control (the Paragon version at least)  has Shepard sacrificing himself so that the galaxy can decide what happens next (Renegade has Shepard becoming the all-powerful dictator of the galaxy). 

Jack: So he's the ****ing King of the Reapers now?

Shepard: It's complicated.

Jack: Well I ain't going anywhere so you'd better start talking.

Shepard: The Reapers were being directed by an ancient AI. It was created to find a way for organic and synthetic life to live together in peace. The only thing is that it couldn't find a solution to the task it was assigned and it killed it's creators to create Harbinger. That same AI started the cycle of destruction because it was the best idea it could come up with. When your Shepard took control he sacrificed what made him the man he was to wipe out that intelligence so that the cycle could be stopped.

Jack: Why didn't he just blow them all to hell? Why didn't he come back?

Shepard: (sighs) The Crucible wouldn't have stopped with the Reapers, the energy it released would have wiped out the Geth, EDI, and damaged any technology caught in the blast. The AI also gave him the chance to merge all organic and synthetic life together. He knew that making everyone, especially you change without any choice in the matter was something that you'd never forgive him for.

Jack: (muttering) ******. So what's your deal then? Pretty damn obvious now that you're not the guy I thought I pulled out of the rubble on the Citadel.

Shepard: When your Shepard took control he changed. His thoughts and memories still live on inside of the Reaper code but to go through all of that while remaining human is impossible. I was created so that the man he was could live on and watch over the people he had to leave behind.

Jack: So you're what? The consolation prize for losing my Shepard? 

Shepard: No. If you want to go back to the way things were then I'm game, but it's up to you.

Jack: Look, it's just really weird that you're...

Shepard: ...supposed to be dead twice over? Yeah, that's going to take a little getting used to.

Jack: Yeah.

[MattFini]

Control Shepard was terrifying.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

I'm actually writing a piece on that. A story taking place after ME3. I chose synthesis, Jack is Shep's romance.

Shepard had a feeling that the battle on Earth would be his last, so he writes her a message on the eve of the fight in case it happens, and sets his omni-tool to send it to her if it reads his vital signs drop to fatal levels. And obviously, with Shepard getting absorbed and disintegrated, he's dead as dead can be. So she gets it, and it's really emotional.

As for synthesis itself, Jack is not a fan. She's basically neutral about how it changes her, but more bothered by the fact the Reapers didn't die. I stayed true to what the slides from EC showed me, so Biotic Company was a total loss. So after losing all her students while fighting Reapers, she has no will to really make nice with them.

[Premier Bromanov]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

I'm actually writing a piece on that. A story taking place after ME3. I chose synthesis, Jack is Shep's romance.

Shepard had a feeling that the battle on Earth would be his last, so he writes her a message on the eve of the fight in case it happens, and sets his omni-tool to send it to her if it reads his vital signs drop to fatal levels. And obviously, with Shepard getting absorbed and disintegrated, he's dead as dead can be. So she gets it, and it's really emotional.

As for synthesis itself, Jack is not a fan. She's basically neutral about how it changes her, but more bothered by the fact the Reapers didn't die. I stayed true to what the slides from EC showed me, so Biotic Company was a total loss. So after losing all her students while fighting Reapers, she has no will to really make nice with them.

Violating her body, reminding her of Teltin, and reminding her of Murtock, by having Shepard leave her a posthumous message?  What a very sad end for that Jack.

[MattFini]

Indeed.

That's why I'm glad Shepard can survive destroy. I would've chosen that anyway, but it's nice to know these characters can get a happy ending, even if BW doesn't want to show it.

Jack's romance slide is quite optimistic / hopeful and I like to think it leads to the life she so much deserves.

Thankfully I didn't have to choose synthesis to get it. Not sure I could do that.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Violating her body, reminding her of Teltin, and reminding her of Murtock, by having Shepard leave her a posthumous message?  What a very sad end for that Jack.

Okay... not exactly sure how a pulse of green energy that passes through her for no more than a second compares to a life of intermittant torture in a cell. But yes, the end of the war is very tragic in this story.

To be fair, Shepard gets the whole Murtock thing too, and so the message is less "sorry that it's over" and more "be happy that it happened." And to find that happiness again, for that's what his fight was dedicated to.

[MattFini]

Most likely because it's still a gigantic, involuntary change she didn't ask for.

I think that's where her problem would lie.

[Premier Bromanov]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Premier Bromanov wrote...

Violating her body, reminding her of Teltin, and reminding her of Murtock, by having Shepard leave her a posthumous message?  What a very sad end for that Jack.

Okay... not exactly sure how a pulse of green energy that passes through her for no more than a second compares to a life of intermittant torture in a cell. But yes, the end of the war is very tragic in this story.

To be fair, Shepard gets the whole Murtock thing too, and so the message is less "sorry that it's over" and more "be happy that it happened." And to find that happiness again, for that's what his fight was dedicated to.

First, it changes her being.  Second, it happens without her consent.  Thirdly, I'm sure the message Murtock left for her was meant to be reassuring, as well, but the outcome of an act can differ from one's intent in committing the act, which is what happened.  Lastly, I didn't say it would be equal to the torture she experienced at Teltin.  I said it would remind her of Teltin.

Modifié par Premier Bromanov, 17 août 2012 - 02:48 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

MattFini wrote...

Most likely because it's still a gigantic, involuntary change she didn't ask for.

I think that's where her problem would lie.

People don't always get what they ask for, Jack knows that as well as anyone. She can choose to be miserable about her situation, or she can make the most of it (and in doing so, find the upside to it, and maybe even decide that things went for the best). I'd say her character-arc was largely about how she shifted from the former to the latter.

And somehow, I don't think it's anything that she wouldn't get over quickly. That is, given the kind of things she's been through and overcome already.

[Premier Bromanov]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

MattFini wrote...

Most likely because it's still a gigantic, involuntary change she didn't ask for.

I think that's where her problem would lie.

People don't always get what they ask for, Jack knows that as well as anyone. She can choose to be miserable about her situation, or she can make the most of it (and in doing so, find the upside to it, and maybe even decide that things went for the best). I'd say her character-arc was largely about how she shifted from the former to the latter.

And somehow, I don't think it's anything that she wouldn't get over quickly. That is, given the kind of things she's been through and overcome already.

Sounds like he's just pointing out that it'd be a change to herself that she didn't ask for, that would still deeply affect her, and that wouldn't occur in the other endings, if Shepard were to make a different choice.

[Dr. Doctor]

 Have some more Jack:


Source

Modifié par Dr. Doctor, 17 août 2012 - 05:51 .

[Tasha Nar Rayya]

Maybe it is just the angle, but Shep looks really small compared to Jack here.

[Dragon_Claw]

Jack knows how to throw a party (Hallex)...

[Premier Bromanov]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

 Have some more Jack:


Source

This picture existing reminds me every time that I see it that we didn't get anything like this.

[DarkPrinceRevan]

Dr. Doctor wrote...

 Have some more Jack:


Source

i think Shepard looks small cause the model is from ME2 and i think those models are as a whole alot smaller than the ones in ME3 for some reason

aside from that i approve of Jack and Shepard making out in his cabin on the bed....or the fish tank

Modifié par DarkPrinceRevan, 18 août 2012 - 02:56 .

[MattFini]

Premier Bromanov wrote...

This picture existing reminds me every time that I see it that we didn't get anything like this.

Yeah, I don't understand that. I think Miranda actually got more, didn't she?

Jack really suffered in the romance department. Which would've really bothered me if her appearance wasn't so awesome (if wayyyyu too short).

[Dr. Doctor]

MattFini wrote...

Premier Bromanov wrote...

This picture existing reminds me every time that I see it that we didn't get anything like this.

Yeah, I don't understand that. I think Miranda actually got more, didn't she?

Jack really suffered in the romance department. Which would've really bothered me if her appearance wasn't so awesome (if wayyyyu too short).

Miranda might have quantity but Jack has quality. ME3 Miranda is missing a lot of what attracted me to her in ME2, she doesn't talk about what Cerberus is at all which is weird considering that she was such a strong believer in it in the previous game, she doesn't have any real impact on the war, and the only things she seems to care about is her sister and a romanced Shepard.

Jack at least still has her personality and stays in character. The romance could be much better (a love scene or something after the date would be nice) but I'm glad that Jack's still Jack.

[Padt]

I think one thing Jack really has over Miranda in ME3 is that they did a better job differentiating between Jack's friendship and romance conversation paths in the game. I mean, inevitably, both conversation paths will share a lot of dialogue, but I feel like the number of references and dialogue changes to reflect one relationship status or the other were extensive enough to make them feel whole and distinct from each other, and as satisfying as can probably be expected under the circumstances.

Of the ten, um...let's call them "Paramour achievement-worthy" love interests in ME3, I kinda feel like Miranda is tied with Liara as the one who got the poorest amount and quality of differentiation (in Liara's case, both her friendship and romance dialogue paths feel like they tilt too much towards friendship, and in Miranda's case, they both feel like they tilt too much towards romance). And honestly, it may seem petty, but that kinda bugged me. I wasn't big on how practically every conversation between Shepard and an unromanced Miranda felt like it was charged with romantic subtext.

Also, might just be me, but this picture:



Kinda sorta looks like Jack is making out with a Shepard doll. Must be the size difference.

Modifié par Padt, 18 août 2012 - 08:27 .