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[Ninjapino]

I googled searched "girls with mohawks" for that first image.....bad idea....now my keyboard is covered in drool.....

[Slurms McKenzie]

@Ninjapino

I hear ya mate...........

Good Luck and Stay Safe

[Ninjapino]

Alright, I'm going to get the images rolling with one of the old thread favorites.

[Ninjapino]

@Nyoka

You are now one of my new favorite people for that.

[Goat_Shepard]

That was pretty fast, Nyoka, very nice.

Ninjapino wrote...

Alright, I'm going to get the images rolling with one of the old thread favorites.

snp

Brilliant.

Few of my favorites

Użytkownik Goat_Shepard edytował ten post 13 czerwiec 2011 - 11:10

[Razorsedge820]

 Jacks is my fav, cant wait to see her new look in ME3. 



^^I hope this is not too explicit for the forums .

Użytkownik Razorsedge820 edytował ten post 13 czerwiec 2011 - 11:19

[Quaay]

One of my favorites from Steve Goad~

[GOALISTAIR]

^^ That is a great pic!

[spirosz]

I posted these songs in the old thread, but I thought I might as well post them here too!

A couple songs I wrote for Jack that I thought you guys would enjoy!

Użytkownik spiros9110 edytował ten post 13 czerwiec 2011 - 11:56

[ThatDancingTurian]

That comic is the most adorable thing. It almost makes me want to play a ManShep (can never get through male characters) just to romance her.

[Slurms McKenzie]

@Spiros9110

Hey Spiros, as one guitarist to another, I loved your playing. I've only recently started with classical/fingertyle playing, after a year or so learning tons of Guns n roses, Aerosmith and even some NIrvana! Dee by Randy Rhoads/Ozzy Osbourne was one of the first classical pieces I learnt! I was chuffed! Although, I learnt it all on my les paul as I have no acoustic, so it was slightly easier i suppose.......hmmm need an acoustic now.

Anyway, liked your playing, dedication there to compose your own stuff!
 
Good Luck and Stay Safe

[Ninjapino]

@spiros9110

Great songs....I'm, uh, "learning" guitar right now (aka learned a few things but failing to practice nearly as often as I should)

@yorkj86

Okay, I apparently missed the most adorable comic in existence in the old thread previously....

[Slurms McKenzie]

@Ninjapino

I actually liked the first fanart piece you provided most. Makes me wish I could draw. 

Good Luck and Stay Safe

[This is the End My Friend]

This was probably the first post from the original thread that made me realize the exceptional quality of the posters inside it.

Mondo47 wrote...

Here is my take on the character, love or hate her, feel free to shoot it down in flames - it's just my opinion. Try to stay awake; it’s a long one

The 'norm' in RPGs is that a party is usually made up of coherent elements that function together from the first moment, or numerous non-cohesive ones that become cohesive by the climax of the story. The thing is, Jack is the only real non-cohesive element from moment one; everyone else settles into the Normandy, accepting Shepard's command almost without question and begins to focus on dealing with the Collectors (even looking at characters experienced with the darker side of Cerberus projects, they step right up to the plate with no real assumption they might care beyond a simple "I'm here for you."), while Jack doesn't really want to come along at all. There's no talk or assumption of loyalty after that; Shepard isCerberus, wanting something from her again after they've taken pretty much everything there was to take. While everyone else trusts Shepard through experience or deeds, Jack never does. You have to earn her respect constantly. And boy is that an uphill struggle.

She makes no effort; she snarks her way through missions, displays character traits that are certainly sociopathic by throwing herself at Shepard sexually, displaying no remorse for previous misdeeds, explodes into casual threats of outright violence, etc. but utterly lacks the exterior charm, guile or panoply of lies of the textbook psychotic. Part of Jack is remorseless in its honesty; she takes crap from no-one and has a long memory where a potential betrayal is concerned. She's expecting it constantly, from any quarter. Even when being romanced, she's waiting for the knife in the back, and even if she begins to trust Shepard, no-one else is beyond suspicion.

Any vulnerability Jack has has been abused, almost every trust broken. Combine that with a childhood that almost certainly would cause PTSD to the nth degree and deliberate attempts to condition her to enjoy conflict, violence and physical pain has resulted in the creation of a woman that vacillates between promiscuity and casual violence. None of it is her fault. She was made that way; constructed to order.

Comparisons to Miranda and Grunt are obvious; all were ‘made’ to be ultimates (however Miranda had the chance to break away and forge her own destiny, and Grunt is a success as an 'ultimate warrior' due to the advantage of being Krogan, but understands little of what it means to be Krogan before his Rite). Jack however is the failure; the incomplete cast-off, and has had no-one to make her think differently. No wonder she's so damn resentful to Miranda in particular. The Cheerleader (stereotype) is easy and uncomplicated to love, and in this case is more entrenched in the enemy camp than Shep proves to be. So who loves Jack? Someone did once, but he died, leading her to try and shut that door; not even someone that loves her despite the black hole she has spinning around inside can be counted on. Everyone uses her, or worse, everyone leaves her.

Jack is (and don't get me wrong - I like the character more than anyone else in ME2) a pretty unsubtle variation on the broken doll; she tries to fill the shoes of a femme-fatal by being a consummate and dangerous survivor who
accepts that people want her for her power or her body, but the armour of attitude, scars and ink are fairly transparent. She has patched herself back together a hundred times, but to the right eyes she is obviously still damaged. Or her implants are making her like that – either way it’s all sad (and if the experiments that made her are causing unchecked brain damage/eventual death she becomes doubly tragic). She's a character that needs love, moreso than the others who will cope just fine without it. Without it, Jack will continue to circle the drain until it finally swallows her. It takes someone with a chair and a whip to get through the exterior of spikes to try it, and at the end of the day no-one can feel guilty about not wanting to try to tame the lion. Or being too challenged by it.

Jack makes you jump through hoops instead of just swooning on the spot, and probes Shep for his motivation for
helping her face her past and why the hell he/she keeps coming down to the arse-end of the ship to talk. Does he/she just want to **** me? Does he/she want to get me to trust them so they can just **** me over again? Does he/she want to help me, oh please, **** me no, not another ****ing Samaritan! In comparison, Tali has likely been carrying a torch for Shep for a while, lets face it. Miranda has respect for Shep's ability to command, his strength and charisma, and he can see more to her than the crafted perfection/cog in the
machine she was made to be/became. Jack's not a romance of choice - **** off, I need to think. I think some people took this way too seriously (after some of the rabid digital savagings I’ve laughed at on this forum). I
always take the idea of romance in RPGs with a grain of salt. People just don't act like that/say things like that! They make me chuckle. Or make snarky comments *ahem*. When Jack showed up in Shep's loft with those big, sad eyes... I'll admit my icy cynic’s heart defrosted a little. Maybe I brought too many kittens home when I was a kid too? Or I just prefer eyes over asses and scars.

"Maybe you're right, that I need..." is pure cliché (all it takes is the love of a good man/woman – a trope I find a little distasteful\\\\blatantly sexist most of the time, but it is traditionally romantic), true, but so is the high-society gal wanting some hot action in the grimy old engine room and the sweet bookish girl pouncing on you like a praying mantis. All the love interests have their cliché factor. Clichés are clichés because we love them so; they're part of our storytelling heritage. This happened to be the one that spoke to me the most. Romances in RPGs tend to be pushovers; versions of Garrus's 'stress relief' dictum on the way to the final showdown with Baby Cthulhu, while Jack was a puzzle box that seems to have either put people off with its exterior, just frustrated them with its difficult nature. That is, more than anything else, what made her stand out. Her unconventional looks coupled with an abrasive attitude was going to make her only appeal to a section of the fanbase, sure, but boy does she polarise the ME fans! No other character in the series has done this so strongly. The people that dislike her say as much for the character as those that liked her, but those of us that have come out of the ME2 experience as Jack fans
probably liked that one aspect over the others - the fact the character was strong, a survivor, but genuinely vulnerable. Not just another tough-as-nails bad girl. Not sitting in one camp or the other made her a more complete character than I at least expected from a video game, and one some of us certainly want to see more of. 

Good job, Bioware. Ya'll can wake up now

Użytkownik GeneralSlotts193 edytował ten post 14 czerwiec 2011 - 01:54

[Slurms McKenzie]

@GeneralSlotts

Aye, that were a good post, reasserts Jack as my favourite character.

Good Luck and Stay Safe

[MHRazer]

Warlock Adam wrote...

Just out of curiosity, what would be your reaction if she had longer hair but we had the option to make her bald if we wanted? So no mohawk or in-between, but two alternatives

It could be pretty funny and arguably in-character if it were a conversation option.

*Shepard after seeing Jack's new haircut after months in jail or however ME3 will start*
"You grew out your hair, huh? You know, you really rocked that shaved look."

"Screw you, Shepard! I'll wear my hair however the F* I want to!"

*Shepard shrugs and walks off*

*Next time Shepard visits Jack, she has her bald look back*

"I'll turn you inside-out if you say anything."

Użytkownik MHRazer edytował ten post 14 czerwiec 2011 - 05:38

[Slurms McKenzie]

@MHRazor

Yeah, agreed. A dialogue option to shave Jack's new ME3 hairstyle would be a pretty cool feature, it'll almost be a little fan service to Jack's old fans.

Good Luck and Stay Safe

[spirosz]

@Slurms

Hey man, thanks. You should check out this guy called Buckethead, he's what motivated me to play guitar - very diverse player. There's just so much to Jack and for me, the best way to express how I feel is through my music!!

@Ninja

I've actually had a guitar for 6 years, but didn't really start motivating myself to start playing till 2 years ago, just practice!!! Have a good mindset toward it and bam, shredding won't stop hahaha

@Slotts

I always loved Mondo's posts - I haven't seen that one before and I appreciate you posting it.

[ladyvader]

One of my Shepards left Ash for Jack. And I can't wait to see what happens with that issue.

I just finished a game earlier today where I didn't have enough paragon to resolve the Miranda/Jack fight and I sided with Jack and Miranda bit it at the Collector Base. Jack has more personality than Miranda.

[Goat_Shepard]

Dayum, I haven't had a Mondo fix in awhile. Much appreciated, Slotts

I wasn't quick to like Jack probably because of Mondo's point about her being the only character who doesn't swoon over Shepard. That unexpectedness was initially offputting and made me content with just rushing through her LM and not paying her any more mind. To put it in perspective, this was the first couple playthroughs where I was still high on Thane, Tali, Garrus, and a half dozen other characters who praised the ground I walked on after or even before one convo. Having all these nice people readily available made it easy to simplify and forget about the crazy woman squatting in the sub-deck. I think that's why there are a lot of "sleeper fans" of Jack, as axl describes it. I eventually started truly "listening" to Jack instead of just getting through the dialogue/loyalty aspects, if that makes sense. It also helped that I eventually stopped getting lost trying to find her.

@Spiros

Those are a couple of sweet tunes, man. You got quite a serene musical interpretation of Jack, which is refreshing to say the least. Makes me think of cuddly sweet Jack

And damn good playing, brah. Keep at it.

@Ravenstar

I feel the same way about Garrus, but I'll get there eventually.

And indeed, that comic is sublime.

@ladyvader

Sounds like fun.

Leaving Ash for Jack, I mean. I couldn't watch Miranda die. Unless her and Jack become BFF in ME3, then she has to go. Some things change, some things should never be changed

Użytkownik Goat_Shepard edytował ten post 14 czerwiec 2011 - 03:49

[KingNothing125]

That's a great post by Mondo47. I agree completely.

My first couple of playthroughs of ME2, I basically ignored Jack apart from her loyalty mission, because she just screams oversexualized-aggressive-tough-girl cliche, what with her wearing no clothes, criminal record, and having overpowered biotics. The only thing worse would have been if they had given her a katana blade. Yawn, eye-roll.

But when I finally got around to talking to her, I found her to be quite a bit more interesting. I already mentioned this in another thread, but I think Jack is the most compelling LI... like she really needs someone like Shepard, and Shepard's heart really goes out to her. Their pre-sucide mission scene is very touching.

My "main" Shepard is already pretty tight with Ashley, but If I had to start all over and could only choose one LI for the entirety of the trilogy, I would choose Jack.

Użytkownik KingNothing125 edytował ten post 14 czerwiec 2011 - 04:28

[GodWood]

So we are spamming here now