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[Homebound]

yorkj86 wrote...

Jacqueline Nought may or may not be her real name. "Jack" is short for "Jacqueline." "Jack" may not have come from "Jacqueline," though. "Jacqueline" may just be a formalization used by Jack to fill in the name forms on that poetry application (or was it a forum?).  Where did the name "Jack" come from, though?  "Nought" is another word for "Zero." Jack is also known as "Subject Zero," so "Nought" may just be a pseudonym used by Jack in lieu of knowing her actual last name.

wiki says shadow broker has intel on jack and thats her name. id check it myself ingame but....i lost all my savefiles and i dont have a pc to play on.


*saaaaad face*

[Homebound]

oh ok. im going by the wiki here, so ya, im guessing its not "Subject zero: real name Jacqueline" then.

[spirosz]

Yeah, we don't know if that's her real first name. I like it though, sounds pretty.  I can see her confirming or mentioning her name in ME3, depending on being romanced or not, probably more on the personal side.  Even so, she might not even know her own name.  

Maybe she has a tattoo that represents her name.  I'm hoping we get to find out more about some of her tattoo's in ME3. 

Modifié par spiros9110, 19 juillet 2011 - 03:01 .

[Labrev]

Jacqueline Nought is just a pen name. Jacqueline being a feminine name for Jack, which, as far as we can tell, was what she's been called since her childhood in the Teltin facility. Nought means "Zero" which has obvious significance to her character.

Not her real name.

[Sepewrath]

I don't think she would know her name, she was taken as a baby, I doubt Cerberus cared about keeping her name.

[punchbag]

Because of the fact that "Nought" is synonymous with "Zero", I'm inclined to think it isn't her real last name. It just seems like too much of a coincidence for it to be very likely. Jacqueline still might be her first name, but we have no way to know right now. But I also don't think it's likely for her to know her real first name if she doesn't know her last name.

[KingNothing125]

Ugh, if Nought were her real last name, that would be beyond coincidence and a stupid play on words in the vein of the hokey Batman villain naming scheme. E. Nigma, the Riddler, being a dude who's an enigma... a lady name Harleen Quinzel dressing like a Harlequin, etc. ... lame.

Jacqueline Nought is a pen name, clearly.

[KyreneZA]

I think the name "Jack" was just more Teltin cruelty. And it stuck.

[Goat_Shepard]

Sepewrath wrote...

I don't think she would know her name, she was taken as a baby, I doubt Cerberus cared about keeping her name.

"Jack" had to come from somewhere, so I believe it is a short of her real name. Picture, if you will, Subject Zero's arrival at Teltin:

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The boss says this is the one, "the future of human biotics", and our source of entertainment for awhile. You should see the torture results quota that TIM forwarded us.
You serious? Who is he?
It's actually a she. Name is uhhh, h/o. Jacqueline Doe.
Little Jack. We're gonna have a lot of fun here, aren't we, little Jack?
You're fvcking depraved, you know that?
Says the depraved bastard standing next to me.
I just do logistics, you're the interrogation expert.
Whateva, you're still corrupt. When do I start?
She's an infant, Miranda. I swear you're the most sadistic 15 year old i've ever met.
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So they call her Jack as their little pet name during all those years of abuse, and since in the end Jack defied and slaughtered them, she keeps the name in mockery of them. JMO, obviously.

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 19 juillet 2011 - 01:31 .

[PiercedMonk]

Jack was four when she was abducted, so, presumably, she knew her name at the time.

I'd assume Jacqueline is her real name, but she goes by Jack to throw people off balance, if even only for a moment. Which, as you can see from Shepard and Company's surprise when they deactivate her cryo-cell, works.

'S funny, I remember the previous iteration of the BioWare forums back when it was first revealed that she has a name other than Subject Zero: there was at least a handful of threads by people insisting she's either a man or trans, because she has a below average [for video games] bust, and a dude's name. Oh, and man hands in the cinematic trailer. That was an issue for some folks, too.

[Batlass8]

I thought that Jack was taken from her family as an infant? Wasn't her mother told that the baby was stillborn? Also, she says she thought the Teltin facility was the whole world, which I think implies she spent all of her memory-forming years there. Did Cerberus just wait four years before starting to experiment on her? How... thoughtful of them.

Which raises a question for me. How do you all think things started in the Teltin facility? Like, did they just do a lot of monitoring at first? Lulling Jack into a sense of safety by being really nice to her for the first few months and then slowly trying to break her? Why did they even give her a desk? Was there torture and homework?

[KyreneZA]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

She's an infant, Miranda. I swear you're the most sadistic 15 year old i've ever met.

Heh. Shrewd, Goat, very shrewd (even the ages fit)! She'd be a toddler though.

[KyreneZA]

Batlass8 wrote...

I thought that Jack was taken from her family as an infant? Wasn't her mother told that the baby was stillborn? Also, she says she thought the Teltin facility was the whole world, which I think implies she spent all of her memory-forming years there. Did Cerberus just wait four years before starting to experiment on her? How... thoughtful of them.

Which raises a question for me. How do you all think things started in the Teltin facility? Like, did they just do a lot of monitoring at first? Lulling Jack into a sense of safety by being really nice to her for the first few months and then slowly trying to break her? Why did they even give her a desk? Was there torture and homework?

Shadow Broker Dossiers/Subject Zero (Jack)

Date was 2165, but the transcript refers to both "infant" and "baby" so clearly the LotSB writers ****ed up.

Modifié par Kyrene, 19 juillet 2011 - 02:45 .

[Goat_Shepard]

PiercedMonk wrote...

Jack was four when she was abducted, so, presumably, she knew her name at the time.

The transmission that the Shadow Broker intercepted when Cerberus stole Jack said she was an infant in 2165, so I are confused. Batlass may have a point that Jack might have been in limbo for a few years so Cerberus could put her through gene therapy, monitor and fix any abnormalities and whatnot.

As for her reading desk, they apparently didn't want her to be an animal, she received a (in)formal education (similar to Grunt's education?) and they probably thought they could control her, with or without her consent.

I'd assume Jacqueline is her real name, but she goes by Jack to throw people off balance, if even only for a moment. Which, as you can see from Shepard and Company's surprise when they deactivate her cryo-cell, works.

Indeed

'S funny, I remember the previous iteration of the BioWare forums back when it was first revealed that she has a name other than Subject Zero: there was at least a handful of threads by people insisting she's either a man or trans, because she has a below average [for video games] bust, and a dude's name. Oh, and man hands in the cinematic trailer. That was an issue for some folks, too.

Yeah, poor Jack and Alyx Vance getting mistaken for trannies

[PiercedMonk]

Batlass8 wrote...

I thought that Jack was taken from her family as an infant? Wasn't her mother told that the baby was stillborn? Also, she says she thought the Teltin facility was the whole world, which I think implies she spent all of her memory-forming years there. Did Cerberus just wait four years before starting to experiment on her? How... thoughtful of them.

Her mother was told she died due to complications from her EeZo exposure. Considering that the horrible list of potential side effects from EeZo eposure -- gravity control sounds pretty awesome, cancer somewhat less so -- I'd assume that it's actually somewhat common for victims to die from complications while still children. With Jack, she actually has degenerative brain damage. It could be that it began while she was still quite young and spent a lot of time in hospital.

So, if I'm remembering correctly, Jack began to show some powerful biotic potential while still in her early years, and her friendly local Cerberus agent took note. They snatch her up, falsify some hospital records, and suddenly they have a lab rat.

Batlass8 wrote...

Which raises a question for me. How do you all think things started in the Teltin facility? Like, did they just do a lot of monitoring at first? Lulling Jack into a sense of safety by being really nice to her for the first few months and then slowly trying to break her? Why did they even give her a desk? Was there torture and homework?

I'd rather not consider the details too closely. Presumably there were rewards when she performed well, torture when she fell short of their projected results?

There must of have been some sort of education as well. Jack's able to construct a prototype bio-amp from her memory of a schematic she saw. Obviously she's highly intelligent, but at some point she would have had to learn how such a thing works so she could understand what it was she was doing.

[PiercedMonk]

yorkj86 wrote...

PiercedMonk wrote...

'S funny, I remember the previous iteration of the BioWare forums back when it was first revealed that she has a name other than Subject Zero: there was at least a handful of threads by people insisting she's either a man or trans, because she has a below average [for video games] bust, and a dude's name. Oh, and man hands in the cinematic trailer. That was an issue for some folks, too.

  Seriously?  They seriously thought that?  If she doesn't look like Miranda, and if her ass isn't shoved in your face every other shot, she must have been born a he?

I would not lie to you.

Also funny that you bring up Miranda, seeing as she's a genetically engineered clone of her father, which is a bit more...questionable than a nickname or the fact that Jack's portrayal in the cinematic trailer would suggest she didn't have regular access to moisturizer.

[spirosz]

Bioware's fan base tends to be very vocal about small things. For example, the photo of Vegas, it's just a photo and yet people are stating the stereotypical things - meat-head, steroid user, etc. I'm keeping myself open minded till I play the game, then I'll judge him.

It reminds me of Jack and how bashful people were during her reveal.

[spirosz]

"I don't like her, so I'll kill her during the suicide mission" lol

[Goat_Shepard]

PiercedMonk wrote...
Also funny that you bring up Miranda, seeing as she's a genetically engineered clone of her father, which is a bit more...questionable than a nickname

Yeah I couldn't help thinking I was really romancing her father.

or the fact that Jack's portrayal in the cinematic trailer would suggest she didn't have regular access to moisturizer.

Say what?

yorkj86 wrote...

Bashful? "Reluctance to draw attention to one's self?" Seems like that would be the opposite of what Jack-bashers wanted.

lol you know what he meant.

Some people resent being forced to recruit her. I guess getting her killed is one way to deal with that. I don't see why you wouldn't just pay as little attention to her as possible, instead.

You can ignore her, yes, but she still talks during the suicide launch, she even badmouths Precious. And she nods to you after you survive. Plus I can't spend my days on the Normandy constantly watching out for a shiv in the back just cuz Jack wants my lunch money.

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 19 juillet 2011 - 04:56 .

[Labrev]

Maybe they named her "Jack" as a referrence to their boss, Jack Harper (the Illusive Man).

[Epantiras]

yorkj86 wrote...

PiercedMonk wrote...

'S funny, I remember the previous iteration of the BioWare forums back when it was first revealed that she has a name other than Subject Zero: there was at least a handful of threads by people insisting she's either a man or trans, because she has a below average [for video games] bust, and a dude's name. Oh, and man hands in the cinematic trailer. That was an issue for some folks, too.

  Seriously?  They seriously thought that?  If she doesn't look like Miranda, and if her ass isn't shoved in your face every other shot, she must have been born a he?

If I remember correctly, right after her reveal video people were creating threads saying that:

- "SuZe is a trannie"
- "SuZe" must have aids because she has no hair
- "Suze" must have cancer because she has no hair
- "SuZe" is clearly aimed to 12-years old boys
- "SuZe" is clearly owerpowered
- "I don't want to recruit SuZe"
- "I'm going to cancel my preorder"

My reaction was:

- "wow the people here on the forums are retarted"
- "everyone hates here. I guess she's going to be my favourite character"

[EDIT] the same is happening to Vega right now, we haven't heard a single spoken line from him and everybody's already saying that he's Jacob v 0.2 (or worse)

Modifié par Epantiras, 19 juillet 2011 - 06:24 .