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[spirosz]

Clonedzero wrote...


and she has no regard for other peoples lives, so yeah, i'd say that fits sociopath pretty good.

What?  What about her reaction to hearing about Ascension?  Her reaction was concerning the kids there because she thought Cerberus was running another project like Pragia.  What about Shep himself, Murdock?  She cares about them, but isn't going to show it because she doesn't or didn't want people thinking she's "soft,"  I could go on. By the way, she was brought up and forced to enjoy killing, but from the way I see it, she won't kill any without a reason and usually it has to do with her gut instinct on getting betrayed.  

As Goat mentioned, there's no actual evidence of Jack ever murdering someone innocent.

Modifié par spiros9110, 31 juillet 2011 - 11:33 .

[Goat_Shepard]

I was impressed with Jack's comments about "Manara and her boyfriend" and also about the cult she joined. IMO she had no interest in being an outlaw, she was looking for help, answers, acceptance, and was willing to assimilate with criminals to attain that, but "it was all about money" she says in a disgusted way. Same with Manara and co, so she ditched them. The one place she probably felt was home, the outlaw colony she mentions, got destroyed by a (turian?) spacestation, and she blew that mofo up. Poor girl is just unlucky.

Anyway, that's why I take a lot of what she says like going pirate, leading boarding parties, executing people, taking the Normandy, etc, with a grain of salt. She's trying to test you, see if you want to use her for what she's good at, or to simply scare you. I like going paragon when she says "wouldn't mind putting the Normandy through her paces when your away", cuz Shepard is so serious that "Joker wouldn't appreciate that" and she says "Relax" all disappointed cuz you didn't get angry like she wanted you to, and maybe that you're also kinduv a boy scout

[Ace Attorney]

yorkj86 wrote...

People around here use the word "sociopath" as often as they use verbs. Sociopaths are incapable of empathy. They lack a conscience. Jack is capable of empathy. Therefore, Jack is not a sociopath. She does have behavioral issues, due to conditioning.

BioWare themselves called her a sociopath. See the Commander Shepard Fight for the Lost trailer.

Edit - Correction, psychopath:


Anyway, here is for reference the Definition of sociopath in Dictionary.com: person, as a psychopathic personality, whose behavior is antisocial and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.

Modifié par T3hAnubis, 01 août 2011 - 01:51 .

[DudesterMcGillicutty]

Oh for Christ's sake. The use of the word "psychopath" by Bioware was just to provide an intro to the character for everyone. I highly doubt that they meant to provide an all-encompassing term for who she is. It was a video title. Not a shining beacon provided for us to hold fast to and ignore everything else that happened in the game.

It's called "character development". Christs sake.

[Ace Attorney]

@ DudesterMcGillicutty
Psychopath is used too negatively by people. Look up the word, calm the **** down man. I like Jack too and she IS a psychopath.

Modifié par T3hAnubis, 01 août 2011 - 03:03 .

[Jake71887]

T3hAnubis wrote...

Psychopath is used too negatively by people. Look up the word, calm the **** down man. I like Jack too and she IS a psychopath.

Paragon romance kinda negates the psychopath theory.

[l DryIce l]

DudesterMcGillicutty wrote...

Oh for Christ's sake. The use of the word "psychopath" by Bioware was just to provide an intro to the character for everyone. I highly doubt that they meant to provide an all-encompassing term for who she is. It was a video title. Not a shining beacon provided for us to hold fast to and ignore everything else that happened in the game.

It's called "character development". Christs sake.

This. Jack later shows feelings about past events when talking to Shepard. Psychopath seems like a pretty strong term to describe someone who isn't one-dimensional. Sociopath...depends on how you define sociopath. Maybe. 

EDIT: I guess it also depends on how you define psychopath. I usually (maybe incorrectly?) associate the term psychopath with the lack of an ability to feel emotion. Whereas, I associate the term sociopath with how a person actually behaves. 

But honestly, I don't really care much for labels. I know what she's done and how she acts. That's all that matters to me. 

Modifié par l DryIce l, 01 août 2011 - 03:09 .

[Ace Attorney]

Jake71887 wrote...

T3hAnubis wrote...

Psychopath is used too negatively by people. Look up the word, calm the **** down man. I like Jack too and she IS a psychopath.

Paragon romance kinda negates the psychopath theory.

Theory? Hardly. Not trying to troll but she is a psychopath. The romance is indeed portraying a way that Shepard will help her overcome the condition but you can't just overcome it in a few weeks / months (timespan of ME2). Hell, look at the discussion Shepard and Liara have on the DLC if you romance her. Shepard basically admits her state but see she is getting better.
I like Jack, my current playthrough is going to romance her, because I want a Shepard to see beyond her condition and involved in helping her mental state.

[Jake71887]

T3hAnubis wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

T3hAnubis wrote...

Psychopath is used too negatively by people. Look up the word, calm the **** down man. I like Jack too and she IS a psychopath.

Paragon romance kinda negates the psychopath theory.

Theory? Hardly. Not trying to troll but she is a psychopath. The romance is indeed portraying a way that Shepard will help her overcome the condition but you can't just overcome it in a few weeks / months (timespan of ME2). Hell, look at the discussion Shepard and Liara have on the DLC if you romance her. Shepard basically admits her state but see she is getting better.
I like Jack, my current playthrough is going to romance her, because I want a Shepard to see beyond her condition and involved in helping her mental state.

And that guy that sacrificed himself for her, sure she pretending it didn't bother her, but she obviously cared for hima  great deal. She puts on a psychopath disguise, a ruse to keep others at a distance; but that doesn't exactly mean she is one.

[KingNothing125]

It's a marketing hook, so what? That hardly proves anything. First impressions are subject to change. Heck, the player is left wondering if Jack is a man or a woman before she finally emerges from cryo... are we supposed to think she's a hermaphrodite?

She certainly seems like a psychopath when you first see and meet her, but that's where information and character development comes in. Turns out she's not a psychopath, she's a chick with tons of baggage and a huge chip on her shoulder. They're not the same thing.

[Deepo78]

 
If I had to choose between Jack and Ashley in ME3, it's Jack by about a mile. 

[l DryIce l]

Deepo78 wrote...

 
If I had to choose between Jack and Ashley in ME3, it's Jack by about a mile. 

That was...out of nowhere. I agree, but...okay. 

[Deepo78]

l DryIce l wrote...

Deepo78 wrote...

 
If I had to choose between Jack and Ashley in ME3, it's Jack by about a mile. 

That was...out of nowhere. I agree, but...okay. 

Sorry, didn't mean to come out of nowhere with that.

[l DryIce l]

Deepo78 wrote...

l DryIce l wrote...

Deepo78 wrote...

 
If I had to choose between Jack and Ashley in ME3, it's Jack by about a mile. 

That was...out of nowhere. I agree, but...okay. 

Sorry, didn't mean to come out of nowhere with that.

Not a problem. No rule against randomness in this thread. 

[Jake71887]

l DryIce l wrote...


Not a problem. No rule against randomness in this thread.

Says you! 

[l DryIce l]

Jake71887 wrote...

l DryIce l wrote...


Not a problem. No rule against randomness in this thread.

Says you! 

:happy:

Ah yes, "vocabularly". The highlight of my day. The highlight...of my day. The highlight....

[SlottsMachine]

@T3

Let me get this straight, you believe Jack to be a psychopath and yet you also believe she can be fixed by her romance possibly. I didn't think psychopathy was something that you just get over (I'm all better now Shepard, no more killing and maiming for me), sure her romance might help her be less antisocial but that's about it.

[Jake71887]

l DryIce l wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

l DryIce l wrote...


Not a problem. No rule against randomness in this thread.

Says you! 

:happy:

Ah yes, "vocabularly". The highlight of my day. The highlight...of my day. The highlight....

Ah yes, "Vocabularly" We have dismissed those claims. 

[Ace Attorney]

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...

@T3

Let me get this straight, you believe Jack to be a psychopath and yet you also believe she can be fixed by her romance possibly. I didn't think psychopathy was something that you just get over (I'm all better now Shepard, no more killing and maiming for me), sure her romance might help her be less antisocial but that's about it.

No, if you understood that from my posts it was a misunderstanding. It can't be over just like that but overtime, I think so. That is why Shepard says what he says to Liara.
But as Joker says "that is just my opinion, no need to spread it around".
Buy by posting...I'm spreading it...*mind blown*

Anyway, I only saw bits of the romance on YouTube (including the aforementioned Liara comment). Once I'm done on this playthrough of my Renegade Infiltrator and see it all myself, maybe my opinion will change.

Modifié par T3hAnubis, 01 août 2011 - 04:37 .

[Sepewrath]

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...

@T3

Let me get this straight, you believe Jack to be a psychopath and yet you also believe she can be fixed by her romance possibly. I didn't think psychopathy was something that you just get over (I'm all better now Shepard, no more killing and maiming for me), sure her romance might help her be less antisocial but that's about it.

Well modern pyschology is built on people just getting over it, so why cant we think so. Not to mention she isn't suffering from pyschosis, she doesn't hear voices in her head telling her to burn the ship down, she doesn't have multiple personalities, some kind of god complex or many of the things associated with psychosis. She is angry, mad at the world that has treated her like crap all her life, that is something you can just get over.

Of course there shouldn't be some kind of radical personality change, where she stops using 4 letter words and wants to become a pacifist. No she would still be abrasive, she would still get off on violence and be untrusting of new people, that is just hardcoded into her. However he pessimistic outlook on life and her feeling of she has to do everything on her own can change with a simple romance, hell that could change with a friend.

[Ace Attorney]

By the way, I recall asking here that her romance is a Paragon one. My current Shepard is Renegade, so which moments do you need to be Paragon to get it? I try to be Renegade everyone except of big desicions (Maelon's Genophage Research, Reprogramming Heretic Geth, Handing over Vetor, etc.) so I want to know to no mess up. My Shepard is basically an Antihero, ruthless but in the end does the right thing, if that makes sense...

[Sepewrath]

Paragon is the way to go with her.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

T3hAnubis wrote...

By the way, I recall asking here that her romance is a Paragon one. My current Shepard is Renegade, so which moments do you need to be Paragon to get it? I try to be Renegade everyone except of big desicions (Maelon's Genophage Research, Reprogramming Heretic Geth, Handing over Vetor, etc.) so I want to know to no mess up. My Shepard is basically an Antihero, ruthless but in the end does the right thing, if that makes sense...

You can pretty much renegade her up to when she asks if its all about sex,then you have to paragon.

[darthnick427]

Ah yes "Jack". The human super biotic, allegedly part of the Normandy crew and possible romance for Shepard. We have dismissed that claim.

XD

Just kidding Jack is pretty cool. I never romance her but I find her story interesting as hell. I just wish she'd still talk to me if i didn't romance her