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[Humanoid_Typhoon]

darthnick427 wrote...
I just wish she'd still talk to me if i didn't romance her

That could be said of many of the characters.

[KingNothing125]

T3hAnubis wrote...

By the way, I recall asking here that her romance is a Paragon one. My current Shepard is Renegade, so which moments do you need to be Paragon to get it? I try to be Renegade everyone except of big desicions (Maelon's Genophage Research, Reprogramming Heretic Geth, Handing over Vetor, etc.) so I want to know to no mess up. My Shepard is basically an Antihero, ruthless but in the end does the right thing, if that makes sense...

When Jack asks what's with all the questions, and if it's just about getting her in the sack, don't say yes (the renegade option).

[darthnick427]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...
I just wish she'd still talk to me if i didn't romance her

That could be said of many of the characters.

Sooo true. Prime example: "Can it wait for a bit? I'm in the middle of some caliberations."

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

darthnick427 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...
I just wish she'd still talk to me if i didn't romance her

That could be said of many of the characters.

Sooo true. Prime example: "Can it wait for a bit? I'm in the middle of some caliberations."

Yeah I think after the reach/flexibility line he doesn't etalk to you until after his LM and then again after the SM

[darthnick427]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...
I just wish she'd still talk to me if i didn't romance her

That could be said of many of the characters.

Sooo true. Prime example: "Can it wait for a bit? I'm in the middle of some caliberations."

Yeah I think after the reach/flexibility line he doesn't etalk to you until after his LM and then again after the SM

Oh well. Bioware is fixing that in ME3. At least that's what i'm hoping for with that "deeper connections with your squad" line they pulled

[SlottsMachine]

@T3

I still think your drawing a link between Jack's severe trauma and psychopathy that just isn't there. And I don't recall Joker's comment, but since when did he become a foremost person on the subject. There is no context for Liara's comment, and even if she was referring to Jack's "psychopathy", what the hell does she know. She hasn't or just met Jack, and was likely told to **** off. I'm sure Liara was shocked and apalled.

Modifié par GeneralSlotts193, 01 août 2011 - 05:54 .

[KingNothing125]

I think the issue may be the definition of psychopathy. When people hear the word "psychopath", they usually think of Buffalo Bill or The Joker...

But the definition of the term is a lot more broad than that... basically if you have any kind of mental disorder, you qualify under that definition. In that sense, I would agree that Jack is a psychopath. But I would absolutely disagree with lumping her in with "real" stereotypical psychopaths like Freddy Krueger, Norman Bates, or Morinth.

[SlottsMachine]

@King

Yeah, when I think of a psychopath, I think of the serial killer type or the Madoff type. And pretty much ignore everything in between.

Modifié par GeneralSlotts193, 01 août 2011 - 06:33 .

[CmndrFisher]

http://www.msnbc.msn...msnhp&gt1=43001 -Here's a little tidbit for all you Jack fans

[DudesterMcGillicutty]

T3hAnubis wrote...

@ DudesterMcGillicutty
Psychopath is used too negatively by people. Look up the word, calm the **** down man. I like Jack too and she IS a psychopath.

Sorry, didn't mean to come off as beligerent. I was going for comedy, but I guess it didn't read. Really, I was trying to say that it's kinda ridiculous to base the whole thing on a video title.

But, here are some of the symptoms of being a psycopath: The inability to form attachments to anyone or anything. Glibness or superficial charm. Grandiose sense of self worth. I never really see any of these in Jack.

So, I think that instead of a psychopath, Jack is instead a person who simply puts up a tough front. Lots of people do it. I mean, if she did have the disease of being a psychopath, it wouldn't be cured in a couple talks. That's the key difference. A tough guy puts up a front to protect himself. A psycopath doesn't have anything to protect. It's a neurological disorder that creates a person who does not feel anything for other people. A relationship, in any sense of the word, with a psychopath is impossible. If there's a relationship, the person is not a psychopath.

[ExiledTyrant]

what up with Jack's biotic upgrade that talks about her having sever neural degeneration. should I be worried about how much time Jack actually has to live or be functional? neural means brain right stuff like nervoous system. she has a massive break down whats gonna happen =\\

[KyreneZA]

spiros9110 wrote...

***wondeful image snipped***

Love the way she looks in this lithograph.


Grunt in the background cracks me up, "FISH?"

Is this part of a larger image, spiros?

[KyreneZA]

KingNothing125 wrote...

T3hAnubis wrote...

By the way, I recall asking here that her romance is a Paragon one. My current Shepard is Renegade, so which moments do you need to be Paragon to get it? I try to be Renegade everyone except of big desicions (Maelon's Genophage Research, Reprogramming Heretic Geth, Handing over Vetor, etc.) so I want to know to no mess up. My Shepard is basically an Antihero, ruthless but in the end does the right thing, if that makes sense...

When Jack asks what's with all the questions, and if it's just about getting her in the sack, don't say yes (the renegade option).

@T3hAnubis: Since we have you participating in this thread, could you answer a question for me (and possibly other paragaders/renegons)? What is the fascination with a one dimensional character/playthrough like you are describing? Why would a character be an **** the whole time, but (using meta-game knowledge) be a paragon of virtue when it comes to the "big desicions" (sic)? IF he's an "Antihero," like you claim, is he one because he's evil but furthers the cause/s of good? Or is he just a jackass that happens to save the galaxy (which isn't really an antihero)? Or is he the classical antihero who dies saving the galaxy?

Don't get me wrong, this is not a personal attack. I also can't really fathom paragon players either. A saccharine sweet paragon Shepard is just as baffling to me, so I would like your input.

As for your question about romancing Jack, when she asks about "are you eying me out Shepard?" you can either immediately turn her down with a top-right/neutral choice, or use the bottom-right choice and then back out with a top-right/neutral choice. The former is probably better, as the latter doesn't really make sense the way the dialogue is written. You can therefore romance her without gaining any paragon points, if you were worried about that. If she jumps you/your Shepard below engineering, you know it's time for a reload.

[Clonedzero]

spiros9110 wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...


and she has no regard for other peoples lives, so yeah, i'd say that fits sociopath pretty good.

What?  What about her reaction to hearing about Ascension?  Her reaction was concerning the kids there because she thought Cerberus was running another project like Pragia.  What about Shep himself, Murdock?  She cares about them, but isn't going to show it because she doesn't or didn't want people thinking she's "soft,"  I could go on. By the way, she was brought up and forced to enjoy killing, but from the way I see it, she won't kill any without a reason and usually it has to do with her gut instinct on getting betrayed.  

As Goat mentioned, there's no actual evidence of Jack ever murdering someone innocent.

but offering to kill innocents for shepard after they raid ships is cool? sure...

and yeah, i know her backstory and her issues, ive done a paragon romance of her and all that. i just have a hard time having sympathy for her is all.

what about her bragging about all her different crimes, raids, blowing up entire spacestations?

you're not doing her justice by just saying "hey, she's just misunderstood, she's really a nice innocent person" cus well, she's not. sure she has a hidden soft side, but that absolutely doesnt make up for her being a murderous sociopath

but like i said, i still liked her character alot. i just have a hard time taking her too seriously or sympathizing with her.

[KyreneZA]

Clonedzero wrote...

but offering to kill innocents for shepard after they raid ships is cool? sure...

what about her bragging about all her different crimes, raids, blowing up entire spacestations?

I rearranged what you said a little, forgive me. How do we know she was being serious? How do we know she wasn't just exagerating in order to intimidate or keep Shepard at bay? Also, bear in mind that all of this is said in the first one or two conversations she has with Shepard. None of this sociopathy shows itself later on. Did she just 'get better' during the course of the game, or was she never 'that sick' to start with?

and yeah, i know her backstory and her issues, ive done a paragon romance of her and all that. i just have a hard time having sympathy for her is all.

That is fine. I have a hard time sympathizing with her, and so does my Jack's Shepard. Just because I do, shouldn't entitle me to call her a "murderous sociopath" though. As has hopefully been proven...

you're not doing her justice by just saying "hey, she's just misunderstood, she's really a nice innocent person" cus well, she's not. sure she has a hidden soft side, but that absolutely doesnt make up for her being a murderous sociopath

...or not, she isn't a sociopath. What has also not been proven is that she's "a nice innocent person" because you are right, "cus well, she's not." However, it seems that you cannot look past your conception of her, and won't listen to others explaining it to you. Disproving Jack the psycho-/sociopath =/= calling her a nice person, yet you chose to read it like that. Shall we agree to disagree and leave it at that?

[KyreneZA]

CmndrFisher wrote...

Top 5: Female video game characters -Here's a little tidbit for all you Jack fans

(Fixed)
That probably goes some way to explain why Jack is already confirmed (voicework, new design rumours/tweets, etc.) for ME3, while Miranda (for instance) is not. It does make me want to play "Uncharted" though.

[KyreneZA]

ExiledTyrant wrote...

what up with Jack's biotic upgrade that talks about her having sever neural degeneration. should I be worried about how much time Jack actually has to live or be functional? neural means brain right stuff like nervoous system. she has a massive break down whats gonna happen =

That all depends on what type of neurodegeneration (both current or fictional in the ME universe) Jack has. I'm personally not too worried. A mass accelarated ferrous slug or being nom-nommed by a Reaper is probably far more deadly.

[Goat_Shepard]

ExiledTyrant wrote...

what up with Jack's biotic upgrade that talks about her having sever neural degeneration. should I be worried about how much time Jack actually has to live or be functional? neural means brain right stuff like nervoous system. she has a massive break down whats gonna happen =

All biotics have this, I guess. She will possibly end up incoherently drooling in a bucket in 20-30 years, but obviously that has no relevance now. And she'll probably die before that. I also consider that Shepard has been through a resurrection and so much trauma that he'll likely end up a slobbering tomato before he reaches old age as well.

Clonedzero wrote...
but offering to kill innocents for shepard after they raid ships is cool? sure...

Offering and actually doing it are two different things. I would love to go to Beverly Hills and burn Rupert Murdoch's estate to the ground, that doesn't make me an arsonist. You also have to consider context, she was emitting yet another scare tactic, because even if you go renegade it's clear that the offer isn't serious. And if you did go pirate, you would be killing innocence during every raid, with desire.

and yeah, i know her backstory and her issues, ive done a paragon romance of her and all that. i just have a hard time having sympathy for her is all.

I understand not sympathizing with her life post-Teltin, but no sympathies for a torture/abuse/rape/forcibly drugged victim? What magnitude of pain inflicted on a person is required for you to feel bad for them? I guess she could have also been used for biotic spawning

what about her bragging about all her different crimes, raids, blowing up entire spacestations?

you're not doing her justice by just saying "hey, she's just misunderstood, she's really a nice innocent person" cus well, she's not. sure she has a hidden soft side, but that absolutely doesnt make up for her being a murderous sociopath

Not saying she's innocent, but clearly she's misunderstood.

You wouldn't like my renegade Shepard, that's for sure. He sent Niftu Cal to his death for his own amusement. Jack said it was mean (social empathy) but funny (experimental conditioning). I was pissed that she said I was being mean.

but like i said, i still liked her character alot. i just have a hard time taking her too seriously or sympathizing with her.

So, what do you like about her? I understand where you're coming from, pretty much everything we know about her was told to us by Jack herself, so she could be lying to our faces about everything. So I look at what happens in the game: she joins your crew, doesn't hurt anyone on the Normandy, follows your orders, and most importantly, she chooses to blow up an abandoned facility instead of going after people like TIM, even when it's offered by Shepard. Questionable past, but I'm more focused on what's happening now, Ashley.

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 01 août 2011 - 12:34 .

[Goat_Shepard]

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...
There is no context for Liara's comment, and even if she was referring to Jack's "psychopathy", what the hell does she know. She hasn't or just met Jack, and was likely told to **** off. I'm sure Liara was shocked and apalled.

Liara....knows....evverryythiiingg!!

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 01 août 2011 - 12:38 .

[spirosz]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...
There is no context for Liara's comment, and even if she was referring to Jack's "psychopathy", what the hell does she know. She hasn't or just met Jack, and was likely told to **** off. I'm sure Liara was shocked and apalled.

Liara....knows....evverryythiiingg!!

Lmao

Hey Goat how do you change the text of your link? 


@Kyrene

Yes, it's part of the team lithograph that was on sale a while ago, never got my hands on one, wish I did.  I believe they're selling a smaller version now. 

[kumquats]

Goat_Shepard wrote...

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...
There is no context for Liara's comment, and even if she was referring to Jack's "psychopathy", what the hell does she know. She hasn't or just met Jack, and was likely told to **** off. I'm sure Liara was shocked and apalled.

Liara....knows....evverryythiiingg!!

I love the jealous part, I always abuse Jacob for that.
Liara is not the best source to judge Jack's behavior.
Hell has no fury like a woman scorned.

Psychopaths manipulate other people and are very charming, as far as I know.
Jack would be the worst psychopath of all time.

[Ace Attorney]

KingNothing125 wrote...

I think the issue may be the definition of psychopathy. When people hear the word "psychopath", they usually think of Buffalo Bill or The Joker...

But the definition of the term is a lot more broad than that... basically if you have any kind of mental disorder, you qualify under that definition. In that sense, I would agree that Jack is a psychopath. But I would absolutely disagree with lumping her in with "real" stereotypical psychopaths like Freddy Krueger, Norman Bates, or Morinth.

This.

Kyrene wrote...

KingNothing125 wrote...

T3hAnubis wrote...

By the way, I recall asking here that her romance is a Paragon one. My current Shepard is Renegade, so which moments do you need to be Paragon to get it? I try to be Renegade everyone except of big desicions (Maelon's Genophage Research, Reprogramming Heretic Geth, Handing over Vetor, etc.) so I want to know to no mess up. My Shepard is basically an Antihero, ruthless but in the end does the right thing, if that makes sense...

When Jack asks what's with all the questions, and if it's just about getting her in the sack, don't say yes (the renegade option).

@T3hAnubis: Since we have you participating in this thread, could you answer a question for me (and possibly other paragaders/renegons)? What is the fascination with a one dimensional character/playthrough like you are describing? Why would a character be an **** the whole time, but (using meta-game knowledge) be a paragon of virtue when it comes to the "big desicions" (sic)? IF he's an "Antihero," like you claim, is he one because he's evil but furthers the cause/s of good? Or is he just a jackass that happens to save the galaxy (which isn't really an antihero)? Or is he the classical antihero who dies saving the galaxy?

Don't get me wrong, this is not a personal attack. I also can't really fathom paragon players either. A saccharine sweet paragon Shepard is just as baffling to me, so I would like your input.

As for your question about romancing Jack, when she asks about "are you eying me out Shepard?" you can either immediately turn her down with a top-right/neutral choice, or use the bottom-right choice and then back out with a top-right/neutral choice. The former is probably better, as the latter doesn't really make sense the way the dialogue is written. You can therefore romance her without gaining any paragon points, if you were worried about that. If she jumps you/your Shepard below engineering, you know it's time for a reload.

My Shepard basically acts like a jerk and is direct but when his action would affect a friend or a lot of people or a race, he actually thinks about it. It may not make sense to you but it does for me.

I was thinking of doing another character (engineer) who is going Paragon so he may romance Jack and leave the Renegade infiltrator for Miranda or Tali.

Modifié par T3hAnubis, 01 août 2011 - 07:31 .

[Slurms McKenzie]

T3hAnubis wrote...

I was thinking of doing another character (engineer) who is going Paragon so he may romance Jack and leave the Renegade infiltrator for Miranda or Tali.

Yes. You do that.

[Ace Attorney]

Slurms McKenzie wrote...

T3hAnubis wrote...

I was thinking of doing another character (engineer) who is going Paragon so he may romance Jack and leave the Renegade infiltrator for Miranda or Tali.

Yes. You do that.

Why that response?  

[Slurms McKenzie]

T3hAnubis wrote...

Slurms McKenzie wrote...

T3hAnubis wrote...

I was thinking of doing another character (engineer) who is going Paragon so he may romance Jack and leave the Renegade infiltrator for Miranda or Tali.

Yes. You do that.

Why that response?  

Why not? Does it freak you out?