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Cypher0020 wrote...

Hey Jack fans! Finally started my Jack ME2 run. Just wrapped up Freedom's actually.

Can you kick start the romance quicker if you pick up Jack first? I'm debating that over Mordin

but he allows you to upgrade quicker....>.>

I don't think you can actually quicken the romance up that much, but I'd say you should/could go for Jack first. From what I recall, there's a decent amount of banter on Mordins recruitment mission, so it's quite fun to try it with anyone but the standard two first squadmembers you have available.

Besides, you don't have access to a huge amount of upgrades straight from the get-go, so there's actually very little incentive to get Mordin fast, even though the game makes you feel slight guilt for not doing so.

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Cypher0020 wrote...

Hey Jack fans! Finally started my Jack ME2 run. Just wrapped up Freedom's actually.

Can you kick start the romance quicker if you pick up Jack first? I'm debating that over Mordin

but he allows you to upgrade quicker....>.>


You have to wait for every romance until the loyalty mission.
I always pick up Mordin and then Jack, it doesn't make a big difference.
After Horizon Jack's mission should be pretty early then.

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Oh, god. I know it was said to be fake and everything, but can you imagine Jack getting pregnant in ME3 but then dumping her for either your old LI or someone new? Shepard would be biotically torn to shreds.....literally......

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I'm not sure. I think such a scenario might play out something more like this. 

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Ninjapino wrote...

Oh, god. I know it was said to be fake and everything, but can you imagine Jack getting pregnant in ME3 but then dumping her for either your old LI or someone new? Shepard would be biotically torn to shreds.....literally......


Man, that's almost too bad to even imagine being in the game.

It'd be one hell of a long con though.

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Ninjapino wrote...

Oh, god. I know it was said to be fake and everything, but can you imagine Jack getting pregnant in ME3 but then dumping her for either your old LI or someone new? Shepard would be biotically torn to shreds.....literally......

That is one way to annihilate all Reapers.

However, if pregnancies are included in the game (big if), I don't think BioWare will allow you to dump a pregnant woman. Think of the sh*tstorms that'll cause, especially from Fox News.

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Bonte15 wrote...

i wonder what role jack going to play in me3, cause i was read someone else post from another topic and thy made a point to think on. They said if you did not romance jack she really has no reason of coming back to help shepard, so i want to know what you guys think about that!?


I would say that she wouldn't pass up a chance to kick some Cerebus ass regardless if your Shepard romanced her or not.  Someone like Zaeed would have less motivation to come back then Jack.  Especially, if Cerebus is working with/for the Reapers in 3, Jack by extension of her hatred for Cerebus would probably be very willing to go along with the fight against the Reapers as well.

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Ninjapino wrote...

Oh, god. I know it was said to be fake and everything, but can you imagine Jack getting pregnant in ME3 but then dumping her for either your old LI or someone new? Shepard would be biotically torn to shreds.....literally......

I'm sorry, but BioWare is too much of a pleaser of the populace to EVER include something like that, no matter how tame it would be compared to tv-standards. Just look at the backlash they got from Fox News for the (incredibly) tame sex-scenes in the first game.

Sometimes I really wish BioWare was a smaller developer, not tied down by shareholders, so they could go all-out with the grittiness we all know they have in them. Compare Mass Effect 2 with how The Witcher 2 treated many of its more adult-oriented scenes, and one could only marvel at the idea of what BioWare would do with no restraints. It would be glorious.

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"How about when in private with your love interest?"

"Of course. There always needs to be room for lighter and more intimate moments. It can't be all shooting and yelling orders!"


I don't think Jack would might the shooting and yelling ;)

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spiros9110 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/103332419658194944
"How about when in private with your love interest?"

"Of course. There always needs to be room for lighter and more intimate moments. It can't be all shooting and yelling orders!"


I don't think Jack would might the shooting and yelling ;)


She might mind it though.

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DudesterMcGillicutty wrote...

spiros9110 wrote...

twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/103332419658194944
"How about when in private with your love interest?"

"Of course. There always needs to be room for lighter and more intimate moments. It can't be all shooting and yelling orders!"


I don't think Jack would might the shooting and yelling ;)


She might mind it though.


yea she supposely a nnew person now, (please dont be all that new :()



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You know, at this point, I'm kind of not wanting to see what Jack looks like until I run into her in-game. Part of me wants it to be another "Holy crap!" moment like when you run into Garrus in ME2. Honestly, when he took of that helmet, I had no idea he was going to be in the game again and it was an awesome surprise. Obviously, it's not to the same level because I already know Jack will be in this game, but how you meet her, what she's doing, and what she looks like.....I really wouldn't mind if I ended up being caught off guard by it all.

Of course, now that I saw that, she's going to be revealed at Gamescom.....so I'm just going to say that this post is supposed to be reverse psychology then..... :P

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Ninjapino wrote...

You know, at this point, I'm kind of not wanting to see what Jack looks like until I run into her in-game. Part of me wants it to be another "Holy crap!" moment like when you run into Garrus in ME2. Honestly, when he took of that helmet, I had no idea he was going to be in the game again and it was an awesome surprise. Obviously, it's not to the same level because I already know Jack will be in this game, but how you meet her, what she's doing, and what she looks like.....I really wouldn't mind if I ended up being caught off guard by it all.

Of course, now that I saw that, she's going to be revealed at Gamescom.....so I'm just going to say that this post is supposed to be reverse psychology then..... :P


I'm in the same boat, haha.  I want to see, but I want that shock factor.  Is there confirmation of her be revealed at Gamescom?

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Ninjapino wrote...

You know, at this point, I'm kind of not wanting to see what Jack looks like until I run into her in-game. Part of me wants it to be another "Holy crap!" moment like when you run into Garrus in ME2. Honestly, when he took of that helmet, I had no idea he was going to be in the game again and it was an awesome surprise. Obviously, it's not to the same level because I already know Jack will be in this game, but how you meet her, what she's doing, and what she looks like.....I really wouldn't mind if I ended up being caught off guard by it all.

Of course, now that I saw that, she's going to be revealed at Gamescom.....so I'm just going to say that this post is supposed to be reverse psychology then..... :P


I kind of want that, too. My Paragon+Jack will be my first playthrough in ME3, just because I can't wait!
But if she gets revealed on the gamescom, I will never be able to visit this thread again, because all the Jackolytes will spam her picture.
Oh well at least I hope they don't spoil what Jack is doing and when my Shepard can meet her again.
I can't resist to see her reveal, I can't.  :(

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TL;DR: Was Jack Raped? (If so, it was sooo not necessary.)

Alright, so I've been lurking for a while now, just enjoying the discussion of all the other Jack fans, and just now decided to post.

My sister is the biggest Mass Effect fan in the world, and for a while, more engrossed in the Dragon Age Series, all I did was watch her play Mass Effect and ME2 again, and again, and again...

She never took Jack with her in her party. She never took several characters with her at all, actually- Garrus and Miranda were her staple squadmates. And while I love Garrus- who couldn't?- I just.... just something about Miranda's face bothers me, and I couldn't get very sympathetic with her history because the antagonist of it, her father, is a bogeyman we only ever hear about second hand. Bored of watching my sister play as a renagade, with nearly the same face, making all the same decisions, when I finally got interested in Mass Effect, my interest was on characters that my sister hadn't dragged all across the galaxy.

Jack, in particular. There's not much I can say about her that hasn't already been said, as to why I love her as a character so much, but I decided to post today because I had a question. On the Mass Effect Wiki, it states that Jack was raped, shortly after escaping the Cerberus facility, and then while in prison. However, throughout all the Youtube vids with Jack in them, and throughout all my sister's playthroughs (I am just now working on my own, shooting games aren't exactly my forte) I have never once heard or seen anything alluding to that particular abuse. So can anyone point me to where in the game it states- or implies- that Jack was sexually abused?

The rape issue bothers me in particular, because it feels tacked on, a tawdry attempt to add more drama and traumatic experience to an already tortured character. Wasn't it enough that she was kidnaped from her family,  imprisioned and experimented on like a lab rat, forced to kill other children and conditioned to love violence, Bioware? Wasn't it enough that her every interaction with other human beings after her escape consisted of manipulation and betrayal? I quote Limyaael, from her wonderful list of Fantasy/Creative Writing Rants when she said-

"... authors misjudge the scale of the abuse. They go too far one way or the other. On the major side, the author introduces a character who was beaten by her mother. And raped by her father. And had her teddy bear ripped apart. And who was neglected. And whose beloved brother died trying to protect her. And whose uncle starved her. And whose sister died in a fire for which the character blames herself. And whose magic was weak enough to get her teased by the other children in the mage school. And who was tortured by the bad guys. The author is screaming at me, insisting, “This character is in such pain that you can’t even imagine it!” Yes. Exactly. Increase the pain too much, and my imaginative connection with the character snaps. She becomes a blank to me, just a body for the author to heap fictional torture on. I don’t feel about her the same way I do about a victim of atrocities in the real world, because the author has reminded me that it’s all make-believe; the only reason this person is suffering so much is because the author wants her to.
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That is how I feel about Jack. There is a lot more to her than what Cerberus did to her during her childhood, and I like that. But the thing about her history post-Teltin is that the majority of her experiences were bad ones. So to add a rape (or two, looking at the Wiki again) on top of that, when Jack as a character has been "raped" or abused the majority of her life, that has crossed a line for me.

Ugh. I'm kind of hoping that the Wiki people just got it wrong...

Since this is the romance discussion thread, I should add that I wish Jack's final romance scene had a little more dialogue to it. "That I need...-?" Need what? That all she needs is the love of a good man, and that will repair all the years of abuse and lonliness she suffered? *gags* Couldn't there have been a few more lines before Shepard says, "No more questions?" Couldn't she have said that she wasn't used to him, someone who cared about her, for her, not for what she could do for him? That, while she wasn't used to it, she felt that she could get like it? ANYTHING but just, "Maybe you're right, that I need..."?!.  That's too vague, too vague to even begin to guess what she meant by it!

>_> I think I'm done.


Jack tell's you I think it is during the talk that gives you her loyalty mission about how she escaped the teltin facility on pragia.
That after she stole a shuttle and got off world she was picked up by some people who used her and then sold her into slavery.
Also when you take jack to the toilets in the darkstar lounge on the citadel you get a unique dialoge about how during her time in prison she was sexually assaulted by seven guys guardws and cons alike, killing 2 of em in the process.
the others she hunted down afterwards

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Ninjapino wrote...

You know, at this point, I'm kind of not wanting to see what Jack looks like until I run into her in-game. Part of me wants it to be another "Holy crap!" moment like when you run into Garrus in ME2. Honestly, when he took of that helmet, I had no idea he was going to be in the game again and it was an awesome surprise. Obviously, it's not to the same level because I already know Jack will be in this game, but how you meet her, what she's doing, and what she looks like.....I really wouldn't mind if I ended up being caught off guard by it all.

Of course, now that I saw that, she's going to be revealed at Gamescom
.....so I'm just going to say that this post is supposed to be reverse psychology then..... :P


Jack will be revealed at Gamescom? Where did you hear that? If so, that's awesome!!!! Thanks for the info!! 

I wouldn't mind seeing her new look, but I can wait until the game to find out what she's been up to. Looks like we'll be bringing the SPOILER warnings back Posted Image
 

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Hehe, prophet Ninjapino has decreed that Jack will be revealed at Gamescom. No going back now.

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Ohh, she's going to be revealed at Gamescom?

Neat!!!

... what's Gamescom?

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I think it was more an if, than a rumor, don't get excited please. :P

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*dies*

Sad-kitten.

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Shoot me now, but if BioWare doesn't reveal Jack, it would add more impact when we finally see her in-game. Personally, I wouldn't want to see Jack before playing the game either.

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Asenza wrote...

*dies*

Sad-kitten.


Nooooo, not a sad-kitten, I can't take it. I take it all back. :crying:

No really I would love to see her, but I'm already so hyped about this game. I hope Deus Ex cures me.

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ModroTheAnnihilator wrote...

Shoot me now, but if BioWare doesn't reveal Jack, it would add more impact when we finally see her in-game. Personally, I wouldn't want to see Jack before playing the game either.


Yes but if it's truly awful, what they've done to her, by the time the game is out, raging about it won't do anyone any good. At least if we see her soon in a yellow sundress we can make our dislike known and possibly, maybe, hopefully have something done about it...

Modifié par Asenza, 17 août 2011 - 07:32 .


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Asenza wrote...

ModroTheAnnihilator wrote...

Shoot me now, but if BioWare doesn't reveal Jack, it would add more impact when we finally see her in-game. Personally, I wouldn't want to see Jack before playing the game either.


Yes but if it's truly awful, what they've done to her, by the time the game is out, raging about it won't do anyone any good. At least if we see her soon in a yellow sundress we can make our dislike known and possibly, maybe, hopefully have something done about it...


Good point.

On that note, I kind of envision Jack to look something like this, provided you paragonized her.

http://browse.devian...set=72#/d385a27
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Add some hair, possibly a mohawk-esque hairstyle that spreads out slightly at the back of the head, and it'll be even better. Her black top could use a bit more detail too.

Modifié par ModroTheAnnihilator, 17 août 2011 - 08:04 .


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ModroTheAnnihilator wrote...

Asenza wrote...

ModroTheAnnihilator wrote...

Shoot me now, but if BioWare doesn't reveal Jack, it would add more impact when we finally see her in-game. Personally, I wouldn't want to see Jack before playing the game either.


Yes but if it's truly awful, what they've done to her, by the time the game is out, raging about it won't do anyone any good. At least if we see her soon in a yellow sundress we can make our dislike known and possibly, maybe, hopefully have something done about it...


Good point.

On that note, I kind of envision Jack to look something like this, provided you paragonized her.

http://browse.devian...set=72#/d385a27
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Add some hair, possibly a mohawk-esque hairstyle that spreads out slightly at the back of the head, and it'll be even better. Her black top could use a bit more detail too.



me likey, lol jack looks so calm here