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[NamiraWilhelm]

If not a hug option, just make Joker a cuddly person

[Offcast]

on Namira's picture I imaged Joker tells Shep something like -Don't be afraid!Bioware will give us a chance for love and all gonna be ok
xD

[CDRSkyShepard]

Aw, hugs from Phantom and Joker huggy pics. Makes me smile. I mean, I can see how more people might spam the twitter feed on the Joker/EDI romance question, but the fan base for it is just so much smaller...there's tons of fan fiction/art/a Shoker FORUM to support Joker/Shepard. I can't believe that they'd do both Joker/EDI and Joker/Shep, and it seemed like to me they confirmed Joker/EDI yesterday...I don't know, maybe I'm reading into it too much.

I agree with Nam, if they do Joker/EDI it will be like they're saying that all he can get is a computer-simulated woman. *Grumblegroan*

[Wynne]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

I mean, I can see how more people might
spam the twitter feed on the Joker/EDI romance question, but the fan
base for it is just so much smaller...there's tons of fan fiction/art/a
Shoker FORUM to support Joker/Shepard. I can't believe that they'd do
both Joker/EDI and Joker/Shep, and it seemed like to me they confirmed
Joker/EDI yesterday...I don't know, maybe I'm reading into it too much.

I
agree with Nam, if they do Joker/EDI it will be like they're saying
that all he can get is a computer-simulated woman.
*Grumblegroan*

Me too--I hate it. I'd rather see him with almost anyone, because at least then I wouldn't be thinking about how gross and creepy the whole thing is. I mean seriously, romancing Legion would be just as weird--even if you put the geth hive mind in one body, it would still be basically a child, and so would she. Either is like a really smart child. They're innocent. Even if they suddenly had bodies and lusts, they'd be like 13-year-olds, suddenly experiencing that stuff for the first time. Physical maturity =/= sexual or emotional maturity. They'd need to grow and develop life experience before they could comprehend the meaning and the consequences of sex and relationships. They'd need guidance and help and compassion, just like children. Romancing them would be unethical until they were truly ready, and content with the idea of moving forward with the organic experience.

This hilarious and awesome video aside, the idea of getting it on with an AI... I don't know, it seems seriously wrong to me right now. It would take some really good writing to change my mind.

Well, anyway, the fact that Dave picked the Shepard/Joker question
to ask... isn't that maybe a good sign by itself, that they're at least
aware there are people who might want it? I didn't hear a kromance question asked. But at the same time, that's a bad sign, because Joker/EDI was asked... *bites lip* Ahh, I just don't know.

Maybe we could work on something constructive? That always makes me feel better when I'm down. The Joker/Shepard "more than friends" was very well chosen... we should put our heads together and see if we can think up a good set of questions that would be vague enough to be answerable (so, no non-answer territory), but clear enough that there can't be much dodging past what we really want to know. We'll have to be really clever here.

Omega Torsk wrote...

Wynne wrote...

When he answers the Joker/Computer question, he sounds positive/relaxed. When he non-answers the
Joker/Shepard question, he sounds tense/evasive. I guess that's because they've decided what to do about the latter and not the former?

Will it help to notice that he has a big ear-to-ear grin immediately after he non-answers the Jokermance question?

A nice, obfuscating, evasive grin of "Look at me, being all coy and cheeky and not giving answers, it's fun!" Because it is fun having loads of secrets that everyone wants to know but can't find out and then you just tease them with little tidbits. I can't blame him for that.

I have that same sinking feeling that they're not going to say a thing. I think, if it's not in, they won't want us to reconsider buying the game (not that I would, but some people might, and it's not smart to hurt your profits.) If it is in, then it will probably be so subtle and well-written that our minds and hearts will explode with thousands of mini-continuitygasms and emogasms, where the game teases us with hints and we're like "OMG, I just know this is coming... it is, isn't it? Pleeeeeeeease!" right up until the very end of the game, in which case they won't want us to know anything beforehand. Anything at all.

...I really hope they know we exist. :/ Maybe that's a thing to ask sometime. "How much over the years have you been asked about the possibility of Shepard/Joker? Is there a growing demand, or was it always sort of on the horizon with fans loving the writing and Seth Green's portrayal of the role?"

Omega Torsk wrote...

Edit: Okay, one final thought... was anyone around pre-ME2 for any of the now-confirmed romance hopeful threads? What were the hints/non-answers/etc Bioware was dropping? Perhaps looking back at the past can help us predict the results of the future!

Yup, I was. *scratches head* I think the first clues we had Thane would be romanceable... the fact that he was so oddly appealing for a non-human, and a daring assassin seemed like the type who would make a good romance. They also had dropped hints about how there would be some new alien LIs, I think, and unzipping of future-blouses. (Seriously.) And Thane's zipper made us think of him, though of course that was about Miranda.

*bites lip* Man, I'm trying to think... I think Casey Hudson was the one to spill the beans; confirmed it in an obscure chat somewhere and hinted that he'd be for a female Shepard. That was, unfortunately, like a few weeks before the release date. So whatever's happening, I doubt it will be happening soon even if they were to tell us, I hate to say.

P.S. Don't eat the straws! We need them for the grasping and such...

PoisonGirlRain wrote...

I just feel Bioware must be
aware of all the fans out there who want a Shepard/Joker romance, so to
make us watch an EDI/Joker romance...It's like what, do they WANT to
torture us? Do they WANT to make people hate them?

There are a lot of Joker fans out there, and I think that's the most well-known factoid. People have been asking for him to be able to get laid;  that may or may not have had Shepard attached to it in most cases.

If we're lucky, it's like Fenris/Isabela in Dragon Age 2--where if you romance one of them, it doesn't happen, but if you don't, they get together--it's not really overt, just some conversations you can ignore if you like, IIRC. It's pretty clear that they're not the ideal match for each other, but you can tell why they'd be attracted.

I wouldn't hate that half so much as I'd hate no Joker romance at all.

PhantomGinger wrote...

NamiraWilhelm wrote...

Anyone else wish ALL games had romances (Im looking at you fallout and TES)

OH GOD YES.

BioWare has spoiled me for any other game. I'm the girl that has to make sure the book she reads has some romance in it, otherwise it'll be a bore. Now, I'm the gamer that has to make sure there is some
romance in the game else I won't play it with as much enthusiasm. I
don't know why - I just love romance stories. I've said this once way
wayyyy back, but I'm like Christian from Moulin Rouge: obsessed with
love. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/love.png[/smilie]

Me too. I can enjoy something that isn't romantically inclined, if it's really good, but I always prefer a well-written love story with my (usually sci-fi/supernatural/crime drama-style) fiction if I can get it. I actually have a talent for this sort of thing; it's part of why I'm studying psychology. I was always the one to give friends non-pushy advice about romance. Probably comes from having seen multiple committed and mostly-functioning relationships up close during my youngest years and dreaming of falling in love for so long; I just have a fairly good sense of what can work and what doesn't. I also loved writing fiction for years, so that's even more a part of my mindset.

Love growing between two people is one of the best experiences a person can have. It's beautiful. It's freeing. It is, ironically, one of the best ways to become independent because knowing you're not alone makes you braver and more secure. I guess I see that with Joker and Shepard... they can rely on each other, but they're not clingy, they don't constantly stick together, their work life is more separate than it is between Shepard and the squad. It just works, but only long term. I see why it wouldn't have worked in ME1 or ME2; it's the kind of romance which if it's going to happen, it needs to slowly build up tension.

[Omega4RelayResident]

to be totally serious his bones would snap and break during sex.... thats enough of a turn off for me....

However... If Joker should get a Love Interest it should be Tali if Shep did not grab her in ME2.... the couple fits.... she has health issues ans so does he..... both of them love ships and being on them / flying them.... and both of them always need to be carefull

Modifié par Omega4RelayResident, 21 août 2011 - 12:28 .

[RhiPanda]

@Omega, to be totally serious, Jokers bones would not snap during sex, there are people who have his condition in real life who manage to have sex and Shep is probably capable of being gentle, you really should read the OP before posting in this forum gives you all the relevant info

[Omega Torsk]

RhiPanda wrote...

@Omega, to be totally serious, Jokers bones would not snap during sex, there are people who have his condition in real life who manage to have sex and Shep is probably capable of being gentle, you really should read the OP before posting in this forum gives you all the relevant info

@Omega? Hey, hey, hey!!!



*nods*

Modifié par Omega Torsk, 21 août 2011 - 01:02 .

[Offcast]

@Omega how many times u will repeat that?It's so annoying!Every time the same.U just stuck on these facts and u don't want to listen any other things.It's realky sad

[RhiPanda]

@Omega Torsk, hahaha XD tis true.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Omega4RelayResident wrote...

to be totally serious his bones would snap and break during sex.... thats enough of a turn off for me....

However... If Joker should get a Love Interest it should be Tali if Shep did not grab her in ME2.... the couple fits.... she has health issues ans so does he..... both of them love ships and being on them / flying them.... and both of them always need to be carefull

To be totally serious, you haven't told us anything we haven't heard or rebutted before. Do your homework and at least read the OP before you post. Thanks.

Oh, and just because two people have health issues doesn't mean they "fit."

Wynne wrote...

Me too--I hate it. I'd rather see him with almost anyone, because at
least then I wouldn't be thinking about how gross and creepy the whole
thing is. I mean seriously, romancing Legion would be just as
weird--even if you put the geth hive mind in one body, it would still be
basically a child, and so would she. Either is like a really smart
child. They're innocent. Even if they suddenly had bodies and lusts,
they'd be like 13-year-olds, suddenly experiencing that stuff for the
first time. Physical maturity =/= sexual or emotional maturity. They'd
need to grow and develop life experience before they could comprehend
the meaning and the consequences of sex and relationships. They'd need
guidance and help and compassion, just like children. Romancing them
would be unethical until they were truly ready, and content with the
idea of moving forward with the organic experience.

This hilarious and awesome video aside,
the idea of getting it on with an AI... I don't know, it seems
seriously wrong to me right now. It would take some really good writing
to change my mind.

Well, anyway, the fact that Dave picked the Shepard/Joker question
to ask... isn't that maybe a good sign by itself, that they're at least
aware
there are people who might want it? I didn't hear a kromance question
asked. But at the same time, that's a bad sign, because Joker/EDI was
asked... *bites lip* Ahh, I just don't know.

Maybe we could work
on something constructive? That always makes me feel better when I'm
down. The Joker/Shepard "more than friends" was very well chosen... we
should put our heads together and see if we can think up a good set of
questions that would be vague enough to be answerable (so, no non-answer
territory), but clear enough that there can't be much dodging past what
we really want to know. We'll have to be really clever here.

I hear you, Wynne. I totally agree that a computer, even if it were capable of actual emotions (which, they aren't, of course) they wouldn't have the emotional maturity to handle a relationship, especially when compared to people who are 30+ years old. They couldn't have a real relationship anyway, since everything is just a simulation. Even Data of Star Trek ran into that obstacle. To close out this particular issue, I encourage everyone to watch an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation called "In Theory." Not only is the episode very well done, I think it illustrates the point nicely.

I was very hopeful after ComicCon, since one of the winners of the fanart contest was a Shoker piece. (At least, I think I remember it was one of the winners, it was at least featured.) But now with this news from Gamescon, I'm not so sure. I mean, they were talking all about how they've been asked the Joker/EDI question a lot, and by that, they made it sound like the issue was old news to them. See, I don't get that, because I did some digging, and it seems to me - correct me if I'm wrong - that Joker/EDImancers don't even have a thread. If one did exist, I think we'd definitely know about it. It's only logical that if they knew about the Joker/EDI issue and payed attention to the forums at all, that they'd know about us, and that Joker/Shepard fans are many. Surely they've seen how hard we've fought for Shoker, how we've faced down the forum trolls and challenged anyone and everyone to come up with a valid reason for why it shouldn't happen. That challenge has gone unanswered since before the release of Mass Effect 2. Surely, surely BioWare wouldn't ignore the large amounts of fan art, fan fiction, and thought we've given to this issue and just hand Joker off to a computer. If they did that, they'd basically be leaving us in the dust, and it would be quite the betrayal, in my humble opinion. I mean, that doesn't mean that I won't buy the game or play the crap out of it, but I would honestly feel betrayed on this particular issue. We've put a lot of heart and soul into the effort to get BioWare to notice the demand there is for a Joker/Shepard relationship, hand-writing letters, if we have to. Come on, BioWare, if you're not gonna give us Joker, don't make us watch him make whoopie with the ship of all things.

I also agree that we should put our distressed energies to the best possible use. Perhaps we can start a discussion topic on Snap, Crackle & Pop to come up with new questions for the next live Q&A. I think we should ask a question along the lines of, "So, you said that the Joker/EDI people would be happy. Does this mean that the Joker/Shepard people will be happy, too?" We definitely need to worm some answers out of these guys.

Modifié par CDRSkyShepard, 21 août 2011 - 02:00 .

[HurricaneGinger]

Another Omega? It's a parallel universe! Neither can live while the other survives! You must...

*dramatic pause*

fight to the death.

THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!

*hands Omega T. the M-920 Cain*



Anyway, The Other Omega, go read the OP. It's not there for nothing. It'll explain that it's possible for Joker to be intimate. As for other relationships - why not. If Shep doesn't go for Joker, he could go with someone else. He deserves some lovin'.

And I concur on the Q&A thing. XD

Modifié par PhantomGinger, 21 août 2011 - 02:07 .

[PoisonGirlRain]

I'm not sure when I first started thinking about Joker as a LI for Shepard. I don't know if I ever did in Mass Effect, but I did start to like their relationship. I think with so much romance on the mind during the game, it crossed my mind a few times, but nothing serious. Though, I do remember a point in time playing Mass Effect 2 finding myself constantly going to the cockpit to talk to Joker trying to romance him and that's probably around the time I started thinking they should really make him a LI. I really liked the idea of it for a bit. I think there was also a point where I didn't really want a romance with him and Shepard because I thought he was too important or that their relationship was too "special"...or just "different", you know? The more I think about it though, I think that deep relationship is what could make the romance really good. I wouldn't want a romance where it's just a "what the hell" or fling type of thing. I think it would have to be deep or serious at least for me to be okay with it. I think I would be okay with their close relationship as is, but if Bioware did a good job, I think the Joker/Shepard romance could be one of the best ones, if not the best one. Some people might think that's saying a bit much, but that's just the way I feel at at the moment. So, at the very least, I think Bioware should have the option available to romance him.

In my personal opinion, I just feel like if Joker's going to get with anyone, it should be Shepard. I don't know if I would want to watch him get with someone else even if I didn't want him with Shepard. It's not really selfishness so much as it's that I just can't see him getting with anyone but Shepard. The EDI/Joker thing is really lame to me and I can't think of anyone else he has build-up with. I wouldn't want Joker to just suddenly fall for someone. and, in a way...when I think about the Joker/Shepard relationship, I think it would make a lot of sense.

I understand there are a lot of Joker fans and they want him to get laid haha , so who better to do that with than Commander Shepard, the baddest motherf***er in the galaxy, amirite?


Hmm, the Q&A thing is interesting...I may try to think of ways to word questions just right to get some answers...

Modifié par PoisonGirlRain, 21 août 2011 - 04:36 .

[CDRSkyShepard]

PoisonGirlRain wrote...

In my personal opinion, I just feel like if Joker's going to get with anyone, it should be Shepard. I don't know if I would want to watch him get with someone else even if I didn't want him with Shepard. It's not really selfishness so much as it's that I just can't see him getting with anyone but Shepard. The EDI/Joker thing is really lame to me and I can't think of anyone else he has build-up with. I wouldn't want Joker to just suddenly fall for someone. and, in a way...when I think about the Joker/Shepard relationship, I think it would make a lot of sense.

I understand there are a lot of Joker fans and they want him to get laid haha , so who better to do that with than Commander Shepard, the baddest motherf***er in the galaxy, amirite?


Hmm, the Q&A thing is interesting...I may try to think of ways to word questions just right to get some answers...

AMEN sister!

Modifié par CDRSkyShepard, 21 août 2011 - 05:23 .

[Sepewrath]

I don't see Joker as an LI, he is Shepard's buddy, a friend, that's all I see there.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Sepewrath wrote...

I don't see Joker as an LI, he is Shepard's buddy, a friend, that's all I see there.

Garrus is my Shepard's buddy. Does this mean he can't be an LI option for those who wish to pursue it?

Oh wait, he already is an LI. Case dismissed.

[Sepewrath]

lol don't be a dick about it and Garrus has never lived up to the buddy roll like Joker has, due to the way relationships work in ME.

[CDRSkyShepard]

Not trying to be a dick, good patron of this forum...however, that is a line we have heard time, and time again. I now direct you to our OP for further discussion, for I won't re-hash it here.

I am interested in how you think Garrus is no more of a "buddy" than Joker, I really am. Because I haven't seen a more buddy-buddy relationship than Shepard and Garrus. Shepard and Thane, Shepard and Jacob, and Shepard with any other character doesn't have that kind of buddy vibe to it. Thane is distant, and Jacob is flirty, but Garrus is dumbfounded by the suggestion of a possible "sparring" match.

Bottom line: that argument is not new to us, and holds zero water because you can choose not to romance a character if you don't want to. He can be your buddy if that's what floats your boat, and that's cool with us. Just don't say that we can't have our romance just so you can have your bromance, that's all.

Modifié par CDRSkyShepard, 21 août 2011 - 05:38 .

[Sepewrath]

At what point did I say, he shouldn't be an option? I said, I don't see him as one, that doesn't mean anything for anyone else. You people around here need to relax and not take everything that isn't praising your ideas as a direct attack. BSN has a bad rep because of that, chill out.

[HurricaneGinger]

Okay peeps, we all have different opinions here, let's chillax.

I'd post a happy Joker image but it seems whatever image I post doesn't want to work, so just imagine a happy Joker below.

IMAGE OF AWESOME HAPPY JOKER

[CDRSkyShepard]

You never said that he should be an option, either. I'm glad that you clarified, but the way you put it made it sound like we were trying to cut in on a perfectly good buddy relationship.

Sorry if we can come across as short, but we have problems with people coming in here, plunking down one line of "well this wouldn't work because ___." and generally trolling the thread usually for a reason that has been re-hashed many, many times. "Joker's only Shep's friend," "Joker's with EDI," and "Joker's pelvis would break during sex" among the most popular. We're not against you coming in here and speaking your mind at all, but when you just put down one line that we've heard dozens of times from dozens of trolls, we get pretty tired of it. I hope you can understand that it gets frustrating. BSN also has a bad rep because of people that don't read OPs, and just post what they think is clever and might force us to "re-think our ways." I personally have seen it happen many times, and it's hard to weed out who's being sincere and who's trying to rain on our parade.

On that note, I apologize if I came off as gruff. I'm up late sick and might not be watching my words as carefully as I might, otherwise.

[NamiraWilhelm]

Dont apologise Sky, in fact if you dont report them for the verbal abuse i will

Modifié par NamiraWilhelm, 21 août 2011 - 06:34 .

[Omega Torsk]

Sepewrath wrote...

At what point did I say, he shouldn't be an option? I said, I don't see him as one, that doesn't mean anything for anyone else. You people around here need to relax and not take everything that isn't praising your ideas as a direct attack. BSN has a bad rep because of that, chill out.

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Modifié par Omega Torsk, 21 août 2011 - 08:20 .

[NamiraWilhelm]

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[Omega Torsk]

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[Victia]

Wow - I missed alot ;-) having caught up with the past 3 or 4 pages although I shouldnt really get too excited but a non answer is usually a positive!!