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[phantomdragoness]

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And to be absolutely honest y'all, concerning the slight doubt earlier about whether or not there is a Jokermance...I feel really good about it. I think we'll have our Joker. BioWare is tight-lipped about it, like they were with Garrus and Tali. They aren't answering our questions, and we haven't heard any news about him other than he is going to be in the game, he has 12 hours of dialog, and there was that one concern with the tweet a while back. Whatever is going on with Joker, it's huge. If it's bad, I hope we at least get a choice in it like we had with Anders. BioWare is great with giving us choices, though, so I am not that concerned about it anymore.

And our Shoker supporters are louder than Joker/EDI supporters. I think BioWare knows they will lose a few main people after the game's release should Joker/EDI happen.

Something like...this maybe.

Seth Green wants some love for Joker too!

EDIT: Ohh, top! I'd top Joker any time.


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Modifié par phantomdragoness, 18 septembre 2011 - 11:17 .

[VoluntaryVictims]

@ Victia: Thank you!

@ Phantomdragoness: OH YEAH COOKIE TIME
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On another note I just thought of something. I do hope I'm not 'hitting below the belt' as they say or going over a topic that has already been discussed. (I have a bad habit of not reading through threads that span over a certain number of pages)

To be blunt, if Tali can have a romance option with Shepard why can't Joker?

We all know that Quarians have a weak immune system, one that is so weak an 'airborne virus', as I remember it being stated by Tali, killed her mother. (Given, there have been some deadly airborne viruses in human history but they've had names, but the one she mentioned was general so it didn't seem important) Quarians know their immune system is weak but they also know there comes times when they want to partake in activities outside their enviro suits. Therefore they take the precautions necessary in order to ensure it goes as smoothly as possible, as seen in the TalixShep romance. Sure, Shepard wasn't sick. But we humans always have the possibility to expose new sickness to those who are not familiar with it, even if we're not sick. (Pardon my possibly terrible history reference, but the settlers who came to North American managed to wipe out a lot of the Native Americans because the natives had never been exposed to the disease the settlers brought with them.)

Moving onto Joker I feel he's been taking the necessary precautions if a romance option were to occur. (and, if not romance, just to improve his health in general) ME1 he was confined to a chair. ME2 he hobbled around the Normandy. In fact he managed to survive losing his balance and being thrown onto his back, given he did admit he was in pain, but he then resumed limping around the ship after the Collectors seized the Normandy's crew. It's not... blatantly obvious... but I don't think improvement occurs by sitting around doing nothing about your condition. Right?

But, that aside, I guess there's already the point stated on the 1st post that people with Vrolik's syndrome are productive members of society. So eh... I just felt like comparing Tali's situation to that of Jokers because both have the possibility of death through romance. Yet, Bioware allowed Tali to take the chance and she survived. So, why can't Joker?

/end wall of text. I hope I didn't just cover a topic that was already stated earlier in this thread. if so, I apologize for not catching up on the pages.

Modifié par VoluntaryVictims, 18 septembre 2011 - 11:30 .

[ubermensch007]

Joker romance in ME3?

This is a fantasy.It ain't gonna happen



This is (or was) reality:



I guess I'm just finding it hard to see, who might fancy Joker. Jeff doesn't even strike me as being a very social person.He seems to keep to himself mostly.He has a good sense of humor and is top of the class in his field.But most women, even if they are strong and very independant.Tend to look for a man, or be attracted to the sort of fellow who makes them feel safe and protected.Unfortunately; given Joker's condition.He isn't really in any position to fight for a woman's honor.

But be that as it may... I could see Engineer Gabriella Daniels perhaps striking up a friendship with Jeff, and maybe even more than that.How sad Joker was when the crew of the Normandy SR2 was abducted by the Collectors.Made me wonder if it was one person in particular that he was most concerned for.A girl he may fancy perhaps? Like Gabby...

Modifié par ubermensch007, 19 septembre 2011 - 12:01 .

[ubermensch007]

Thane Krios is strong, sexy and has a cool confidence.

Jeff "Joker" Moreau is a gifted pilot, but more of a class clown type of personality.

Of the women aboard the Normandy SR2.Whom do you think would fancy Joker, compared to Thane?

Edit:

Err... Yes.I sensed the sarcasm there.but what I was getting at is Thane doesn't even have to try all that hard to woo the ladies.He just gives off the aura of an alpha male and he dresses like a P.I.M.P. So you know.the fact that he keeps to himself most of the time doesn't prevent attractive women from wanting to get close to him.

Modifié par ubermensch007, 19 septembre 2011 - 12:15 .

[MisterJB]

ubermensch007 wrote...
Of the women aboard the Normandy SR2.Whom do you think would fancy Joker, compared to Thane?

The FemSheps of the fans who post in this thread?

[RhiPanda]

Hey girls can go for that type of personality, as evidenced by like this entire thread.

[ubermensch007]

@The FemSheps of the fans who post in this thread:

Wow... So you want to date the guy that got you and twenty of your other crew-mates killed?!

You want to get busy with a fellow who shows no remorse whatsoever for being largely responsible for the destruction of the Normany SR1 and disbanding of Commander Shepard's team?

Again I state:

Wow...

If that's the kind of fellow you would date.What kind of person wouldn't you date?

Geez... And here I thought Draco Malfoy Fan-girls were weird...

Modifié par ubermensch007, 19 septembre 2011 - 12:22 .

[Kathleen321]

ubermensch007 wrote...

Joker romance in ME3?

I guess I'm just finding it hard to see, who might fancy Joker. Jeff doesn't even strike me as being a very social person.He seems to keep to himself mostly.He has a good sense of humor and is top of the class in his field.But most women, even if they are strong and very independant.Tend to look for a man, or be attracted to the sort of fellow who makes them feel safe and protected.Unfortunately; given Joker's condition.He isn't really in any position to fight for a woman's honor.

But be that as it may... I could see Engineer Gabriella Daniels perhaps striking up a friendship with Jeff, and maybe even more than that.How sad Joker was when the crew of the Normandy SR2 was abducted by the Collectors.Made me wonder if it was one person in particular that he was most concerned for.A girl he may fancy perhaps? Like Gabby...

That may be true for most women.. most soft gentle types. But I think a handful of girls that play this game (including me) are the strong independent type and aren't necessarily looking for protection because they don't need it. My Shepard is a total paragon bad*** like me. I like Joker because he's funny and realistic. I don't like romance comedies, and fairy tale romances, and when I date I don't expect it to be rainbows and gummy bears. Joker isn't a knight in shining armor, he's that funny kind. Down to earth and real. I see your point here- but I thought I'd give you a tom boy perspective.  

[RhiPanda]

Wait wait wait so it was Joker who got Shepard and 20 crew members of the Normandy killed?
and all this time I was blaming the Collectors and the Reapers!
Thanks for clearing that up for me

[ubermensch007]

RhiPanda wrote...

Wait wait wait so it was Joker who got Shepard and 20 crew members of the Normandy killed?
and all this time I was blaming the Collectors and the Reapers!
Thanks for clearing that up for me

If you look at the footage of the first hit that the Normandy SR1 took from the Collector ship.Joker actually manages to evade enemy fire, but then for some reason or other he veers directly into thier line of
sight.And Pressly is killed instantly from the blast. The Final Flight of the Normandy SR1 (2:30 - 8:00)

What Joker says here:

Joker: It all fell apart without you Commander.Everything you stirred up, the Council just wanted it
gone.The team was broken up, records sealed, and I was grounded.The Alliance took away the one thing that mattered to me.Hell yeah I joined Cerberus!

As far as I'm concerned.That little sh!t is lucky the Alliance didn't send him to a firing squad! When first playing Mass Effect 2.I was expecting
to see Joker's fancy flight maneuvers save the day once more.
That didn't happen.The fact that Shepard decides to go and save him, even though Joker couldn't have been any closer to an Escape Pod.Just adds another degree of condemnation to him.But no Joker doesn't understand
why the Alliance took his wings.He doesn't show any remorse.He doesn't take any responsibility for all the blood that is on his hands.

In a way, I like how BioWare did the Prologue of ME2.Its good to see that even the best and brightest can have "brain farts" every now and then: just like anyone else can... Joker makes mistakes and so to does Shepard.But BioWare needs to fix this in ME3.After going to the Normandy Crash Site to collect the Dog Tags of the Fallen, and placing a Memorial at the site.

In ME3 Joker and Shepard need to revisit this hollowed ground, and Jeff needs to come clean.And stop bs-ing, man up and act like a real human being for a change.And not just some two-dimensional:
Hot-Shot Pilot/class-Clown...

And if he did something like this.Than I would respect him more.And be able to see a good looking girl or two taking a liking to him.Maybe I would myself

Modifié par ubermensch007, 19 septembre 2011 - 12:31 .

[ubermensch007]

@DeadlyHaven: Who the sam hill is Andy Sixx and Ronnie Radke? Is that short-hand for Daniel Radcliffe and Rupert Grint?

Commander Shepard has been responsible for the deaths of alot of people.But not do to incompentence.Unless you really suck during the Suicide Mission.

Modifié par ubermensch007, 19 septembre 2011 - 12:35 .

[RhiPanda]

Right so Joker, caught by surprise didn't manage to evade enemy fire?
My god that a** never mind grounded he should totally have been "sent to the firing squad"
And what is with you saying maybe if he did something like that some good looking girls might take a liking to him?

edit: Also yeah gotta agree Shep is responsible for the deaths of 300,000 Batarians, she can still get in a relationship.

Modifié par RhiPanda, 19 septembre 2011 - 12:36 .

[IdRatherBeSleeping]

I find it a tad medieval that you expect women to only want some shiny example of manhood, when as a strong and independent women, I only want someone who I enjoy spending time with and someone who fully appreciates me for who I am as a person. So, you can bash peoples faces in and keep me from being shot (which I can also do for myself) but you are dumb as dirt and an a**hole. Yeah I'll pick that any day over a funny sweet guy who I enjoy talking to.

Also, he was caught off guard and yes he is human. Which makes him flawed, as we all are. Also the collector ship is far more advanced than the Normandy. He did his best considering the situation. And by the way it is made clear in game all most no one died that day save for a scarce few.

[Omega Torsk]

Oh, look at what I missed!

...anyway,

phantomdragoness wrote...

And to be absolutely honest y'all, concerning the slight doubt earlier about whether or not there is a Jokermance...I feel really good about it. I think we'll have our Joker. BioWare is tight-lipped about it, like they were with Garrus and Tali. They aren't answering our questions, and we haven't heard any news about him other than he is going to be in the game, he has 12 hours of dialog, and there was that one concern with the tweet a while back. Whatever is going on with Joker, it's huge. If it's bad, I hope we at least get a choice in it like we had with Anders. BioWare is great with giving us choices, though, so I am not that concerned about it anymore.

And our Shoker supporters are louder than Joker/EDI supporters. I think BioWare knows they will lose a few main people after the game's release should Joker/EDI happen.

Phantom, I <3 your optimism! I want to catch it and put it in a jar!

>_>



*Grabs some of Phantom's optimism and runs away leaping and cackling like a Gremlin*

[RhiPanda]

I am also loving Phatonms optimism
Plus Shoker supporters are way way better than hmm, need to think of a portmanteau couple name for Joker and EDI... omg, JEDI! that is like the only good thing about that pairing *shudder*
Now I feel bad for saying there's something good about that pairing

[VoluntaryVictims]

@ Uber:
Naw, I don't think he's that 2-d. Sure, Bioware could explore more of his backstory and explain why he reacted to certain situation in specific ways. But, I think what you're describing is sheer ignorance. And, sure, an apology, responsibility taken, and more remorse would be nice other than when Ashely or Kaiden is left behind. However, that's what's so appealing. The good, bad, and ugly of being human, something you can relate to. Besides, there's already characters made to be the ideal male. (depending on who you're asking)

Buuuttt I don't want that, and that's that. Perhaps, I am bad judge of character but this won't change my mind. I'll worry about those things once I find a real man to marry.

[IdRatherBeSleeping]

I also will take some of Phantom's optimism and try to spread it around to others suffering from JRP (Joker Romance Pessimism).

[Kathleen321]

sweekeny94 wrote...

I find it a tad medieval that you expect women to only want some shiny example of manhood, when as a strong and independent women, I only want someone who I enjoy spending time with and someone who fully appreciates me for who I am as a person. So, you can bash peoples faces in and keep me from being shot (which I can also do for myself) but you are dumb as dirt and an a**hole. Yeah I'll pick that any day over a funny sweet guy who I enjoy talking to.

Also, he was caught off guard and yes he is human. Which makes him flawed, as we all are. Also the collector ship is far more advanced than the Normandy. He did his best considering the situation. And by the way it is made clear in game all most no one died that day save for a scarce few.

Completely agree. This is what I meant. I don't need protecting. I don't need a "knight in shining armor." Shepard certainly can handle herself. Joker is a friend- and he's been there for her from the start, easing all the tension with great laughs and sarcasm. Why shouldn't they have a romance? 

[ubermensch007]

@VoluntaryVictims: What do you mean by "I think that what you are describing is sheer ignorance." ?
Are you saying that i don't have a good grasp of Jeff "Joker" Moreao's characterization? Or am I discriminating against him b/c of his genetic disposition?

Please explain...

How can you say Joker's lack of remorse or regret about his ****** poor piloting (during the Collector attack on the Normandy SR1) and refusal to follow Commander Shepard's direct orders to abandon ship immediately, is appealing?!

The Joker i met in Mass Effect 2, came across as missing vital components of human emotion and psychology as far as I'm concerned.He was kind of like a cold blooded murderer who shows no remorse to the victims family in a courtroom.That's how much Joker seems to have compartmentalized what happened when the Normandy was destroyed.

Modifié par ubermensch007, 19 septembre 2011 - 01:15 .

[RhiPanda]

Some people have different ways of dealing with things, it's as simple as that. Just because someone doesn't react to a tragedy the way you think they should doesn't make them "like a cold blooded murderer"