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[phantomdragoness]

DAMNIT OMEGA GIVE ME BACK MY MOJO-I mean my optimism!

ubermensch007 wrote...

@VoluntaryVictims: What do you mean by "I think that what you are describing is sheer ignorance." ?
Are
you saying that i don't have a good grasp of Jeff "Joker" Moreao's
characterization? Or am I discriminating against him b/c of his genetic
disposition?

Please explain...

How can you say Joker's
lack of remorse or regret about his ****** poor piloting (during the
Collector attack on the Normandy SR1) and refusal to follow Commander
Shepard's direct orders to abandon ship immediately, is appealing?!

The
Joker i met in Mass Effect 2, came across as missing vital components
of human emotion and psychology as far as I'm concerned.He was kind of
like a cold blooded murderer who shows no remorse to the victims family
in a courtroom.That's how much Joker seems to have compartmentalized
what happened when the Normandy was destroyed.

Hmm...I can see what  you're getting at, but perhaps you're only looking at the surface? I am very much like Joker. I don't show my emotions, I only show my sarcasm. I don't thank people easily, I thank by actions alone - and Joker's way to thank Shepard is to do a great job. I am not very social, and people are a little - well, intimidated is not the right word, but they are a little put off when they first meet me. But I've had people come to me later and tell me they were wrong about me, and that I am a very sweet person. Want to know why I'm not social and don't show emotion? Because I was bullied when I was a kid. Joker was possiby bullied too due to his condition, and his "emotionless wall" is a defense mechanism. Showing any emotion is a death sentence when someone is being bullied; what helps is not showing any emotion at all, let them think  you don't care, and most of the time they'll stop. At least they stopped with me. But after learning this survival technique, it's hard to drop it. Very hard. My best friend tells me that I am so guarded, it worries her. People who have these thick walls around them are comfortable and safe - they don't want to be hurt. Joker is one of these people. He's a tough one to crack.

And two years thinking you're to blame for someone's death can mess you up. No doubt he's dealing, and dealing still. But he knows that Shepard will be dealing **** all her own: two years dead and she's thrown out into the fight again without so much as a: "Are you okay?" Joker had to be Shepard's rock, even though she was sure she was everyone elses. I see him as being someone she can count on to stay cool no matter what. And then there's the emotion thing again - he doesn't want anyone to know that he very well may be torn up inside. There's still stuff I'm dealing with, but whenever someone brings it up, I always put on a happy face and say: "I'm fine."

And I honestly can't see how Joker's piloting was horrible? He did everything he was supposed to - he even maneuvered the Normandy so it was in front of the escape pods so the Collector Ship wouldn't hit them. And there's really not much one can do when a ship is being bombarded by those cannons, and they won't stop. Joker did his best, and unfortunately the Normandy SR1 wasn't up to standards for that attack. At all. If you look at the  the first attack, and then the attack on the Collector Base, there is a major difference. First attack: the Collector Ship shoots and the Normandy jerks violently. Second attack (head on with the Collector Ship): the Collector Ship shoots its cannon, and the Normandy doesn't jiggle one little bit. Thanks to all those upgrades, right? Lol!

So, I hope you understand our side a little more now. Joker's not 2D certainly, he's just a human being with cracks like the rest of us. And just because we have trouble showing emotions, it doesn't mean we're psychopath killers! lol

At least...I don't think. >_> *goes to check for dead bodies in back yard*


EDIT: Dang! Why did I get top of the page again?! Not that I mind...lol! More fanart!


by weemiji

Modifié par phantomdragoness, 19 septembre 2011 - 01:45 .

[VoluntaryVictims]

ubermensch007 wrote...

@VoluntaryVictims: What do you mean by "I think that what you are describing is sheer ignorance." ?
Are you saying that i don't have a good grasp of Jeff "Joker" Moreao's characterization? Or am I discriminating against him b/c of his genetic disposition?

Please explain...

How can you say Joker's lack of remorse or regret about his ****** poor piloting (during the Collector attack on the Normandy SR1) and refusal to follow Commander Shepard's direct orders to abandon ship immediately, is appealing?!

The Joker i met in Mass Effect 2, came across as missing vital components of human emotion and psychology as far as I'm concerned.He was kind of like a cold blooded murderer who shows no remorse to the victims family in a courtroom.That's how much Joker seems to have compartmentalized what happened when the Normandy was destroyed.

I believe what you were describing by the phrase "two-dimensional: Hot-Shot Pilot/class-Clown..." was, to be put simply: ignorance. That's what I meant.

And I believe he has the ability to show remorse which is why I added in my post prior, "and, sure, an apology, responsibility taken, and more remorse would be nice other than when Ashely or Kaiden is left behind," because he had shown emotion after the events of Virmire. Everyone has different ways of displaying emotion. If he's capable of displaying remorse after Virmire I'm pretty sure he would have, at one point, had regret for the actions you're stating that makes him "kind of like a cold blooded murderer who shows no remorse to the victims family in a courtroom." Of course this is an assumption which is also why I added, "sure, Bioware could explore more of his backstory and explain why he reacted to certain situation in specific ways."

Taking these assumptions into consideration, as well as circumstances and your statement, "Joker makes mistakes and so to does Shepard", I believe that both characters are at fault for one thing or another. That doesn't mean Shepard can't have interest in someone who is "kind of like a cold blooded murderer" then.

But, because I do not view him as a "kind of like a cold blooded murderer" I find his character appealing.

[phantomdragoness]

DeadlyHaven wrote...

ubermensch007 wrote...

RhiPanda wrote...

Wait wait wait so it was Joker who got Shepard and 20 crew members of the Normandy killed?
and all this time I was blaming the Collectors and the Reapers!
Thanks for clearing that up for me

If you look at the footage of the first hit that the Normandy SR1 took from the Collector ship.Joker actually manages to evade enemy fire, but then for some reason or other he veers directly into thier line of
sight.And Pressly is killed instantly from the blast. The Final Flight of the Normandy SR1 (2:30 - 8:00)

HUH? PRESSLY DIES?! (Hasn't played ME2 yet)

*snorts* This...uh...this IS a spoiler-approved thread, honey. XD

[Nyreen]

phantomdragoness wrote...

DeadlyHaven wrote...

ubermensch007 wrote...

RhiPanda wrote...

Wait wait wait so it was Joker who got Shepard and 20 crew members of the Normandy killed?
and all this time I was blaming the Collectors and the Reapers!
Thanks for clearing that up for me

If you look at the footage of the first hit that the Normandy SR1 took from the Collector ship.Joker actually manages to evade enemy fire, but then for some reason or other he veers directly into thier line of
sight.And Pressly is killed instantly from the blast. The Final Flight of the Normandy SR1 (2:30 - 8:00)

HUH? PRESSLY DIES?! (Hasn't played ME2 yet)

*snorts* This...uh...this IS a spoiler-approved thread, honey. XD

A ME2 spoiler in the ME3 thread...it should be expected.

Modifié par Celestina, 19 septembre 2011 - 02:24 .

[Fluffenstein]

I'm just going to add that I agree with Phantoms ToP.

And that I am extremely guarded and deflect a lot of things with humor and sarcasm as well.


...Also, hi guys! I've been gone for far too long~

[FlamingFlyingV]

Soooo, I was riding the elevator in my best friend's dorm, and apparently the second floor is for those in aviation. In the area where the elevator stops, there's a sign that reads "Pilots: cocky? Nah, just confident" and I was like "Joker! " at it XD

[Omega Torsk]

phantomdragoness wrote...

DeadlyHaven wrote...

ubermensch007 wrote...

RhiPanda wrote...

Wait wait wait so it was Joker who got Shepard and 20 crew members of the Normandy killed?
and all this time I was blaming the Collectors and the Reapers!
Thanks for clearing that up for me

If you look at the footage of the first hit that the Normandy SR1 took from the Collector ship.Joker actually manages to evade enemy fire, but then for some reason or other he veers directly into thier line of
sight.And Pressly is killed instantly from the blast. The Final Flight of the Normandy SR1 (2:30 - 8:00)

HUH? PRESSLY DIES?! (Hasn't played ME2 yet)

*snorts* This...uh...this IS a spoiler-approved thread, honey. XD

Yeah, sorry about that, Deadly. However, spoilers from the previous two games are indeed permitted in the Mass Effect 3 forums.
Actually, I'm not as surprised that you got spoiled as I am surprised that you haven't played ME2, yet!

My question is WRRRYYY!?!?!? Lol

And Phantom, you win a few interwebz for yet another awesome analysis of Joker! Also, I applaud your choice of Top-of-Page Joker pic! So freakin' sweet! And I wish Femshep could have that hair!!!

Oh, and one more thing:

phantomdragoness wrote...

DAMNIT OMEGA GIVE ME BACK MY MOJO-I mean my optimism!

NEVAAAR! *dashes away and hides behind a park bench, where he proceeds to nom on the optimism*

[CDRSkyShepard]

Hey ubermensch...

Did it ever occur to you that if Joker wasn't stabilizing the ship's attitude while in the gravity well of a PLANET that the Normandy would have entered atmo and killed everyone FASTER? He was obviously limping that crippled ship so she could stay in orbit, as evidenced by the mad gimbal-firing of the Normandy's remaining engines. That, sir, is the only reason the Normandy didn't burn up and kill everyone 2 minutes into the game.

I'm a pilot myself, and if I were in his position, I would have done the same thing. Keep the ship stable so everyone else can get out...maybe even pull the ship out of it. We pilots don't just up and "abandon ship." We're feisty motherfrakkers, and we try to do everything we can to save plane/ship and crew/passengers. I will also note that trying to fly a ship that's missing an entire engine nacelle is probably something beyond your ability (and mine, since such awesome flying things don't exist yet...but I can tell you, flying an airplane that's NOT being shot at with an inoperative engine is tricky enough), so who are you to judge what "****** poor" piloting skills are?

I mean, even Ash/Liara/Kaidan wasn't willing to just up and abandon ship, either...so...are they just as guilty? That ship meant everything to Joker, he was going to do anything and everything in his power to save her.

As for not showing any remorse in ME2...does Joker really strike you as the kind of guy to all up gush and cry, "OH MAH GAWSH SHEPARD! I FEEL SO TERRIBLE!!!" No, he keeps all his feelings bottled up. And the deeper the feelings, the deeper they're buried. It's really not hard to imagine that he'd not want to confront something like that...it was probably hard to come to terms with. Two years later, he's probably got those feelings buried so deeply that he's not even going to say, "Hey Shep, you remember that time you died?"

Anyway....

Ohai Fluff! Haven't seen you in a while! Welcome back!

[sokkenn_]

ubermensch007 wrote...

@VoluntaryVictims: What do you mean by "I think that what you are describing is sheer ignorance." ?
Are you saying that i don't have a good grasp of Jeff "Joker" Moreao's characterization? Or am I discriminating against him b/c of his genetic disposition?

Please explain...

How can you say Joker's lack of remorse or regret about his ****** poor piloting (during the Collector attack on the Normandy SR1) and refusal to follow Commander Shepard's direct orders to abandon ship immediately, is appealing?!

The Joker i met in Mass Effect 2, came across as missing vital components of human emotion and psychology as far as I'm concerned.He was kind of like a cold blooded murderer who shows no remorse to the victims family in a courtroom.That's how much Joker seems to have compartmentalized what happened when the Normandy was destroyed.

Uh... No.
Joker is simply a character that has had less screen time to develop compared to for example, Thane. Or Miranda. Or any other squad member. I'm studying psychology at the university, and I see absolutely no vital social components missing. He's no psycopath, he simply puts up a wall to defend himself; sarcasm works that way. What you describe is clearly a person with multiple signs of psychopatism and/or lack of empathy. There's no patological streaks in his personality. I've seen quite a few signs of patological illness in some of the other characters, though - Jack, for example.Thane. Zaeed. And Shepard too. Actually Shepard frigthen me sometimes. She's too calm about killing people, which suggest a lack om empathy. But hey, guess what. She's a character in a game. I don't see the point in diagnosing charcters in games with a paranoia, split personality or lack of empathy. Because they are fictional characters.

uh, what was my point? Oh yeah. As I mentioned, he's just a less developed character in the game, because he has had less screen time. 


.... And I probably just fed the troll.

Modifié par sokkenn_, 19 septembre 2011 - 10:29 .

[Most Definitely Sane]

ubermensch007 wrote...

@VoluntaryVictims: What do you mean by "I think that what you are describing is sheer ignorance." ?
Are you saying that i don't have a good grasp of Jeff "Joker" Moreao's characterization? Or am I discriminating against him b/c of his genetic disposition?

Please explain...

How can you say Joker's lack of remorse or regret about his ****** poor piloting (during the Collector attack on the Normandy SR1) and refusal to follow Commander Shepard's direct orders to abandon ship immediately, is appealing?!

The Joker i met in Mass Effect 2, came across as missing vital components of human emotion and psychology as far as I'm concerned.He was kind of like a cold blooded murderer who shows no remorse to the victims family in a courtroom.That's how much Joker seems to have compartmentalized what happened when the Normandy was destroyed.

No one said you were discriminating against him at all.
If you look back at your posts, you were really describing him as a one dimensional character.
In my opinion, Joker's not really open about his feelings. Some people don't talk about things that they feel guilty for, and Joker is probably one of them.

Modifié par Most Definitely Sane, 19 septembre 2011 - 10:23 .

[Patchwork]

sokkenn_ wrote...

ubermensch007 wrote...

@VoluntaryVictims: What do you mean by "I think that what you are describing is sheer ignorance." ?
Are you saying that i don't have a good grasp of Jeff "Joker" Moreao's characterization? Or am I discriminating against him b/c of his genetic disposition?

Please explain...

How can you say Joker's lack of remorse or regret about his ****** poor piloting (during the Collector attack on the Normandy SR1) and refusal to follow Commander Shepard's direct orders to abandon ship immediately, is appealing?!

The Joker i met in Mass Effect 2, came across as missing vital components of human emotion and psychology as far as I'm concerned.He was kind of like a cold blooded murderer who shows no remorse to the victims family in a courtroom.That's how much Joker seems to have compartmentalized what happened when the Normandy was destroyed.

Uh... No.
Joker is simply a character that has had less screen time to develop compared to for example, Thane. Or Miranda. Or any other squad member. I'm studying psychology at the university, and I see absolutely no vital social components missing. He's no psycopath, he simply puts up a wall to defend himself; sarcasm works that way. What you describe is clearly a person with multiple signs of psychopatism and/or lack of empathy. There's no patological streaks in his personality. I've seen quite a few signs of patological illness in some of the other characters, though - Jack, for example.Thane. Zaeed. And Shepard too. Actually Shepard frigthen me sometimes. She's too calm about killing people, which suggest a lack om empathy. But hey, guess what. She's a character in a game. I don't see the point in diagnosing charcters in games with a paranoia, split personality or lack of empathy. Because they are fictional characters.

uh, what was my point? Oh yeah. As I mentioned, he's just a less developed character in the game, because he has had less screen time. 


.... And I probably just fed the troll.

I see your point about Shepard but I handwave it as Shepard being a solider under fire. Even when not under actual fire the game always has Shepard in the midst of a crisis so battlefield mentality remains in effect. There's down time but no off time, if that makes sense.

Which is why for varying lengths of time my Shepards are going on vaction after the Reapers are defeated.

[IdRatherBeSleeping]

I would assume, that at this point, Shepard has seen EVERYTHING out there, and therefore would not get worked up about shooting someone when he/she has had droves of geth and mercs to kill plus Reapers and Saren, so it's not like its the first time they killed someone. I think he/she can count killing a few people as a minor issue. But I would say a renegade Shep would be a bit more okay with killing people for no reason other than it makes things easier and they don't care. That Shep, a casual killer, I would say is a psycopath. Parogon Shep looks for options and gives second chances. But Joker is not in any way a cold blooded killer. He is just a man who hides his true feelings and puts up walls to keep out the hurt, as do many people in this world.

[sokkenn_]

Ser Bard wrote...

sokkenn_ wrote...

ubermensch007 wrote...

@VoluntaryVictims: What do you mean by "I think that what you are describing is sheer ignorance." ?
Are
you saying that i don't have a good grasp of Jeff "Joker" Moreao's
characterization? Or am I discriminating against him b/c of his genetic
disposition?

Please explain...

How can you say Joker's
lack of remorse or regret about his ****** poor piloting (during the
Collector attack on the Normandy SR1) and refusal to follow Commander
Shepard's direct orders to abandon ship immediately, is appealing?!

The Joker i met in Mass Effect 2,
came across as missing vital components of human emotion and psychology
as far as I'm concerned.He was kind of like a cold blooded murderer who
shows no remorse to the victims family in a courtroom.That's how much
Joker seems to have compartmentalized what happened when the Normandy
was destroyed.

Uh... No.
Joker is simply a
character that has had less screen time to develop compared to for
example, Thane. Or Miranda. Or any other squad member. I'm studying
psychology at the university, and I see absolutely no vital social
components missing. He's no psycopath, he simply puts up a wall to
defend himself; sarcasm works that way. What you describe is clearly a
person with multiple signs of psychopatism and/or lack of empathy.
There's no patological streaks in his personality. I've seen quite a few
signs of patological illness in some of the other characters, though -
Jack, for example.Thane. Zaeed. And Shepard too. Actually Shepard frigthen me sometimes. She's too calm about killing people,
which suggest a lack om empathy. But hey, guess what. She's a character
in a game. I don't see the point in diagnosing charcters in games with a
paranoia, split personality or lack of empathy. Because they are
fictional characters.

uh, what was my point? Oh yeah. As I
mentioned, he's just a less developed character in the game, because he
has had less screen time. 


.... And I probably just fed the troll.

I see your point about Shepard but I handwave it as Shepard being a
solider under fire. Even when not under actual fire the game always has
Shepard in the midst of a crisis so battlefield mentality remains in
effect. There's down time but no off time, if that makes sense.

Which is why for varying lengths of time my Shepards are going on vaction after the Reapers are defeated.

Yes, I think you're quite right.
But sometimes I really miss some kind of reaction from him/her. Just a little sign that he/she's feeling remorse or that he/she's having a nightmare about having killed approximately 300,000 batarians. I know this won't happen, though. Not that I want Shepard to have post traumatic stress disorder or something, but a little sign that Shepard
is human would be nice. Though it depends on how you're playing your Shepard, I suppose. Renegade Shep would probably not feel remorse.

And a long vacation would definitely do Shepard some good  And probably a talk with a psychologist too. I hope that's covered by her insurance, it's gonna be expensive.

Modifié par sokkenn_, 19 septembre 2011 - 12:13 .

[SilentK]

@ Sokken    I think that Shepard will show more feelings about Arrival and what happened in that dlc in ME3. Hmmm... I always play it the last thing I do on a FemShep so it feels pretty ok. Perhaps it's just too much, you can't take it in at once. Hmm.... or that's how I explain it    =)


Regarding Joker and shows or remorse or guilt
Hmmm.... thinking back to how upset he was after Virmire. Didn't he pretty much tell Shepard that he could never make such a decision. That it would be too much. And then the beginning of ME2 comes along and even if it isn't his fault. Because he never asked Shepard to come up and save him. I'm sure that he blames himself. For the entire ship and it's crew. He said he could not handle choosing between Ash and Kaidan, how is he going to handle the destruction of Normandy and the loss of so many people of it's crew and Shepard. Jupp, I'm guessing that he has a wall about 5 miles high and that could be one of the reasons for why you can't romance him in ME2. That situation has to be resolved first.



Hmm... The latest FemShep just had her crew kidnapped and there are some good scenes with Joker and EDI. And they pretty much confirmed my EDI-Joker friends scenario.

When you first talk with Joker after the crew was taken and Miranda get's angry.

EDI: We did everything we could, Jeff!
Joker: Yeah, thanks mom

And afterwards when you talk to him in the cockpit.

EDI: Shepard is right to be concerned, you may have suffered a number of stress fractures
Joker: I'm ok. She's so my mom (he says something equivalent of I'm ok)

After EDI is unshackled he pretty much refers to her as mom. He trusts her as a friend but it doesn't sound like love to me. It sounds like a work buddy. I'm trying to keep on the optimistic side of things here  =)    pretty please no Joker-EDI-thing. At least something with a pulse. 

Modifié par SilentK, 19 septembre 2011 - 01:34 .

[Sylvanpyxie]

He isn't really in any position to fight for a woman's honor.

Uhm.... Yeeeeeaaaaah......

My girls? Big enough and ugly enough to defend their own honour, thank you very much. Don't need a knight in shining armour riding in to save the day. Silent and supportive? Possible homicidal maniac with questionable loyalties? Charming and snarky and flirtatious? Yes. Yes. Yes.

Overprotective self righteous pillock? Knight in shining armour rising to defend a maiden's honour? Needy, clingy, talk to me, love me love me, desperate saddo? Thanks but uh, i'll pass.

Overall Bioware romances are becoming a train wreck, they usually can't do snarky well, so they tend to stick to clean cut soldier types, and ninja-mances are so common it's disgusting. Add to that the fact 50% of NPC dialogue is hidden behind romances, it's impossible to like the character without entering a romance, which is plain depressing...

And this might have just turned into a rant so uh, i'll stop and leave you with this to chew on:
Obsidian's Neverwinter Nights 2, Bishop -: "Nah, don't go defending her honour. She can do that herself. And unlike you i *KNOW* she can."

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 19 septembre 2011 - 03:58 .

[Victia]

Not that shep needs a knight on shining armour but I think joker is more like one than any other li/potential - how many times has he swooped in on his valliant steed and saved her from certain death? I loose count

@silentK - yes those whole dialogues point to friendship, esp when shep says he is flirting with edi and joker says something like 'there is no need 5o get all unnatural'

[Omega Torsk]

sokkenn_ wrote...

.... And I probably just fed the troll.

Yeah, this is why I've been trying to avoid responding to this character... but screw it, I'll throw my 2 cents in.

ubermensch007 wrote...

Wow... So you want to date the guy that got you and twenty of your other crew-mates killed?!

You want to get busy with a fellow who shows no remorse whatsoever for
being largely responsible for the destruction of the Normany SR1 and
disbanding of Commander Shepard's team?

The aftermath wasn't Joker's fault. A wise person once said "sh** happens." Also, it was the Collectors/Reapers that got Shepard's crew killed. Joker did the best he could under such circumstances. Read CDR's post, she couldn't have explained it any better. Even the best damn helmsman in the Alliance fleet is still human.

Also, I would like to turn the spotlight on Shepard. I watch the Death of the Normandy scene and can't help but say "WTF?" S/He had a full 6 seconds after placing Joker in the escape pod to swing through the door / climb in / fall in and gtfo, but instead s/he decided to watch the explosion for a few seconds while just standing in the doorway... I know, I know, Shepard is supposed to die, it just always annoyed me...

You accuse Joker of disobeying an order, getting Shepard killed? Like CDR explained, Joker wasn't putting the crew in danger, he was doing his damn job! He was trying to keep the ship stable in order to save as many people as could be saved. Yes, I hold him at fault for staying in the seat and trying to save the Normandy after Shepard makes it clear everyone is gone, but like I said... he's still human (he loves that freakin' ship). Also, as awesome as Joker is, he is still Shepard's responsibility. Shepard is the Commanding Officer and the safety of the crew is his/her concern. So, Shepard gave his/her life saving as many crew as s/he could; s/he was doing her duty just as Joker was.

Also, I'm not gonna comment on you calling Joker a psychopath that doesn't talk about his feelings. Phantom and Sokkenn have put it into perspective much better than I could.

ubermensch007 wrote...

I guess I'm just finding it hard to see, who might fancy Joker. Jeff doesn't even strike me as being a very social person.He seems to keep to himself mostly.He has a good sense of humor and is top of the class in his field.But most women, even if they are strong and very independant.Tend to look for a man, or be attracted to the sort of fellow who makes them feel safe and protected.Unfortunately; given Joker's condition.He isn't really in any position to fight for a woman's honor.

See, this is... wow... okay, I personally don't see something like this being as typical as you say in this day and age (let alone the future). I mean, I think it was Leonidas who said, "Clearly, you haven't met our women."
There are many factors that go into a relationship, nowadays. What attracts women isn't my place to say (as you noticed, I'm one of the only frequent posters on here that has a Y-chromosome and I'm no expert on the science of what women want; everyone in the world is just way too diverse), but it isn't really fair to use this argument to pigeonhole a stereotype into Femshep of all female videogame heroines. I mean, have you seen her? She can handle herself, she doesn't need a guy to protect her. That being said, has it ever occurred to her that she might like Joker because he's a faithful friend? Maybe she thinks he's cute? She's interested by him? She thinks he's funny? Many factors go into deep affection, not just how sexy/strong/etc a guy is. Also, I feel that Joker has fought for Shepard's honor more than a few times. Not physically, no, but he pulled her ass out of the fire more times than once, out of all her original crew he was the first to return, he's always been there for her, etc. I think that more than qualifies him for her honor.

ubermensch007 wrote...

As far as I'm concerned.That little sh!t is lucky the Alliance didn't send him to a firing squad!

This is why I'm trying to avoid you. Not sure if you actually believe that or you're trolling.

One moar thing:

DeadlyHaven wrote...

And I haven't played ME2 yet because I have to replay ME1 twice due to OCD purposes. I had to restart DA:O twice before I could do my next playthrough. I gotta perfect it, do all side quests (depending on the type of character) and if I make any mistakes or do something I don't like I restart the game. Isn't OCD lovely? Oh well, at least this way my game will be perfectly especially because of my friend who helps me. He gives bad advice. He didn't even know that you didn't have to kill the people in Noveria. So at the end of the day, I blame him,

No, no, no, no. Use that first transfer! I like to refer to your first Shepard as a "damage control" Shepard. It's the one you play through the games with, learn the story, make mistakes, get messy, etc so that on a future playthrough, you won't make the mistakes again and can play the character as perfectly (or imperfectly) as you please! Trust me, on my first Shepard, I did barely any of the Citadel quests and only a few of the side missions (because I didn't know). I have slight OCD as well, but it helps to know that your first playthrough won't be your last (and it better not be. Lol). As far as I'm concerned, those soldiers on Noveria were following Benezia's orders and Shepard was defending him/herself. You shouldn't feel guilty for getting their blood on your hands! 

Edit: Forgot to add one point:

sokkenn_ wrote...

Yes, I think you're quite right.
But sometimes I really miss some kind of reaction from him/her. Just a little sign that he/she's feeling remorse or that he/she's having a nightmare about having killed approximately 300,000 batarians. I know this won't happen, though. Not that I want Shepard to have post traumatic stress disorder or something, but a little sign that Shepard is human would be nice. Though it depends on how you're playing your Shepard, I suppose. Renegade Shep would probably not feel remorse.

Ohhh, ME3 may surprise you, then! 
I think it was Casey Hudson (or one of the Bioware officials working on the game) that revealed that Shepard would definitely be having some "human moments" in ME3!

Modifié par Omega Torsk, 19 septembre 2011 - 05:14 .

[RhiPanda]

To do with Shep showing more emotion I am pretty sure that Jennifer Hale said something about seeing another side to Shep as well which is good news to me
Heh you all did way better at arguing your points for Joker (I am bad at stuff like that) and I agree with pretty much everything you all said.
Gah they really really need to release at least one screenie of Joker, would be a nice prezzie for us

[NamiraWilhelm]

When people feed the trolls, baby jesus cries!

To move on, have some idiocy from me. 



... i make myself lol

Modifié par NamiraWilhelm, 19 septembre 2011 - 06:12 .

[leminzplz]

@ Namira - O_O I think my eyes are bleeding :L WHHHYYY!? Why meee? If I feel bad, I can't imagine what Joker would be feeling :L