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[SilentK]

Awww... Sorrel that pic was simply wonderful! Always love watching your sketches =) Hmmm... I would be very happy to see such a scene in ME3


Hmm... If your BroShep or FemShep doesn't romance Joker, how do you want the friendly conversations to turn out? They have said that they are working on the conversations so that there will be more friendship-stuff. What would be the good becoming best buddies with Joker scenes. I have a few FemSheps for Kaidan, Liara and Jacob so I'm hoping that you can get to know Joker better as a friend on those PT:s. Joking around in the cockpit, actually sitting down in the mess sometime in the game and taking a coffe? Actually, I would really like to be able to do that, the coffe-thing.

[SolarDiamond]

I would love a heart to heart with Joker. Going over his feelings about what happened with the attack of the SR1, and his talking about his loyalty to Shepard throughout the entire series. I would think that by the third game he would begin to trust Shepard enough to open up to her/him on a deeper level. I'm hoping that we get something like that with the hinty tweets about our favorite pilot having a lot on his mind. That would probably come at a later point in the game, though.

It would be fun if you could get a group together for cards and actually be able to play, with humorous banter going on all the while.

[Sorrel]

It's super terrible and nerdy but I have troubles playing ME and romancing anyone at all, because I keep being like 'But Jokerrrrr' in the back of my mind!

#fandomproblems
#taggingbsn

[sokkenn_]

@ Sorrel,
You've got some amazing anatomy skills! =D I love your art.

Modifié par sokkenn_, 22 septembre 2011 - 09:59 .

[ubermensch007]

@phantomdragoness:That was an 'most excellent' (as Bill & Ted would say) post my dear (Top of page 153) I appreciate your candor, respectful demeanor and just the overall way you expressed yourself.

@Deadly Haven, and others. I'm not a troll.I just had no idea that so many people felt so strongly about Joker being romancable in ME3. So I came here to investigate.

@Forumites: I can only speak for myself.But I think many of you may understand where I'm coming from here.(If you role-play)

My Commander Shepard is not a Spectre first.

- My C.S. is not human first.

- My CS gender does not come first.

My Commander Shepard first and formost: is a Commanding Officer! And Jeff 'Joker' Moreo has given Shepard reasons to doubt whether he would follow Shep's commands.For when push came to shove.When lives were on the line.Joker disregarded Commander Shepard's orders, when he was standing right in his face.He says "No." to a direct order from his CO twice.During the Collector attack.Shepard has to forcibly remove Joker from the pilots seat.And drag him to the escape pod...

I have some experience with being in command.I don't lord power over people or anything.But I still do remember this one time, when my boss put me in charge of four to five helpers.And a couple of them didn't seem to like taking orders from a younger person.I asked my boss,"What's my authority here?" He told me to do as I see fit.So I sent two or three of those fellows home.Why? Because of their attitude and constant second guessing of my decisions.One even tried to usurp my leadership.It was outrageous.The work got done with the two who remained though.So as you can see, I take the relationship of the Leader and Follower very seriously...

[NamiraWilhelm]

Joker is a bit of a wildcard, you're right, but they're obviously willing to sacrifice that for such a great pilot. There are millions of examples of this in stories. At least his disobeying is charming

Top of my head is House haha. Hes rude, crude, a bit of a d!ck, but such an incredible Doctor his employers are willing to overlook all his unprofessional flaws.

[Elanor]

ubermensch007 wrote...



My Commander Shepard first and formost: is a Commanding Officer! And Jeff 'Joker' Moreo has given Shepard reasons to doubt whether he would follow Shep's commands.For when push came to shove.When lives were on the line.Joker disregarded Commander Shepard's orders, when he was standing right in his face.He says "No." to a direct order from his CO twice.During the Collector attack.Shepard has to forcibly remove Joker from the pilots seat.And drag him to the escape pod...

I don't get it. So, you're saying that Joker can be romancable if he follow every Shepard's order?

[Omega Torsk]

Elanor1 wrote...

ubermensch007 wrote...



My Commander Shepard first and formost: is a Commanding Officer! And Jeff 'Joker' Moreo has given Shepard reasons to doubt whether he would follow Shep's commands.For when push came to shove.When lives were on the line.Joker disregarded Commander Shepard's orders, when he was standing right in his face.He says "No." to a direct order from his CO twice.During the Collector attack.Shepard has to forcibly remove Joker from the pilots seat.And drag him to the escape pod...

I don't get it. So, you're saying that Joker can be romancable if he follow every Shepard's order?

Joker: Ohh, Commander... I- I didn't know you were into that type of stuff...
*Shepard cracks whip*

[Patchwork]

I can't back this up with actual military examples but it seems logical to me that in a combat situation a pilot would do their job for as long as possible before abandoning ship.

The captain has to stay to make sure as many of the crew as possible are saved. The pilot has to keep the enemy's attention so they don't start shooting at the escape pods.

I'm not saying Joker wasn't stubborn about leaving but imo it's an understandable sort of stubborn for understandable reasons.

[Offcast]

hey gyus what about the results of Joker's poll?

[phantomdragoness]

ubermensch007 wrote...

@phantomdragoness:That was an 'most excellent' (as Bill & Ted would say) post my dear (Top of page 153) I appreciate your candor, respectful demeanor and just the overall way you expressed yourself.

@Deadly Haven, and others. I'm not a troll.I just had no idea that so many people felt so strongly about Joker being romancable in ME3. So I came here to investigate.

@Forumites: I can only speak for myself.But I think many of you may understand where I'm coming from here.(If you role-play)

My Commander Shepard is not a Spectre first.

- My C.S. is not human first.

- My CS gender does not come first.

My Commander Shepard first and formost: is a Commanding Officer! And Jeff 'Joker' Moreo has given Shepard reasons to doubt whether he would follow Shep's commands.For when push came to shove.When lives were on the line.Joker disregarded Commander Shepard's orders, when he was standing right in his face.He says "No." to a direct order from his CO twice.During the Collector attack.Shepard has to forcibly remove Joker from the pilots seat.And drag him to the escape pod...

I have some experience with being in command.I don't lord power over people or anything.But I still do remember this one time, when my boss put me in charge of four to five helpers.And a couple of them didn't seem to like taking orders from a younger person.I asked my boss,"What's my authority here?" He told me to do as I see fit.So I sent two or three of those fellows home.Why? Because of their attitude and constant second guessing of my decisions.One even tried to usurp my leadership.It was outrageous.The work got done with the two who remained though.So as you can see, I take the relationship of the Leader and Follower very seriously...

I thank you.

And yes, Joker is indeed a wild card, but I trust him to get the job done, and he is a "most excellent" pilot. XD I'd only dismiss him if he absolutely could not get the job done. Joker does follow your orders if you choose the nice option - with the other option, he freaks out and that just makes it worse for him and Shepard; Joker's already freaking out, and with Shepard saying that the Normandy is dead only makes him want to fight harder. I think Joker considers the Normandy a part of him because he can't get around anywhere without nearly hurting himself; flying is his life, I can understand why he'd be devistated with the loss of the Normandy. He also possibly thinks the loss of the finest ship in the galaxy is his fault, and he felt like he should go down with it to make up for his failure. I don't think it's really his fault, though. The ship simply wasn't up to snuff for the attack, like I said before. He did what he could, and Joker has always pushed himself to be the best and better - losing the Normandy was a huge failure for him. His admittance: "Okay...help me up" must have been difficult. It means he respects Shepard a LOT. Also, humans are instinctual creatures, we want to survive.

Also, what's one or two "no"'s compared to years of loyalty and a job well done? Almost nothing, in my opinion.

Modifié par phantomdragoness, 22 septembre 2011 - 07:29 .

[RhiPanda]

Offcast wrote...

hey gyus what about the results of Joker's poll?

What poll is this?

[Offcast]

about Joker romance

[Sorrel]

@Ubermensch

Joker is a superior officer, he has a responsibility to the ship and one of those responsibilities is to ensure the ship remains operational whilst evacuating crew. That means he is one of the last ones off a sinking/depressurizing/crashing vessel.

He believed he could save the ship or at least get it into a vector that would allow safe atmospheric re-entry -- potentially saving lives of those trapped in parts of the ship or those physically unable to escape -- and crew were still present onboard when he refused the evacuation order. Thus, he was only acting as he was trained and as he was supposed to in an emergency situation by remaining at station.

On a similar vein, Shepard as the commanding officer has the responsibility of ensuring everyone alive is off the ship. The CO is THE LAST TO LEAVE bar none. So it was his/her responsibility to retrieve any crew still aboard the ship, thus acting on protocol.

Joker did everything right from a military perspective.

[RhiPanda]

Huh, don't think I've seen that poll, what are the results?

Also gonna add I agree with Joker being in the right with how he acted, it was his duty to try and get everyone off safely and that is what he did.

[Sorrel]

Bailie's growing her hair out from a buzz, hence the floof.

[Victia]

ubermensch007 wrote...

I have some experience with being in command.I don't lord power over people or anything.But I still do remember this one time, when my boss put me in charge of four to five helpers.And a couple of them didn't seem to like taking orders from a younger person.I asked my boss,"What's my authority here?" He told me to do as I see fit.So I sent two or three of those fellows home.Why? Because of their attitude and constant second guessing of my decisions.One even tried to usurp my leadership.It was outrageous.The work got done with the two who remained though.So as you can see, I take the relationship of the Leader and Follower very seriously...

Having been in management for most of my working life (and often being younger than those working for me) I know where you are coming from however - part of being in management or command is knowing that those who work 'under' you know how to do their jobs better than you do, as they are trained in something spcific whilst you are trained to make sure that everything gets done on time, properly and by the correct people (as well as other more boring and stressful things lol) I believe this was a case where Joker was right to dissobay - by doing so he bought the Normandy time and her crew longer to escape, at the end of the day he knows how to do his job and would have been trained for emergecy like that, as are all pilots today - for example a fighter pilot doesnt just bail if he is crashing - he ensures that the plain will crash somewhere safe - ie away from populated area - even if it costs him his life

[RhiPanda]

Ahh love that pic Sorrel, loving the floofy hair
If femshep #1 hair is available in game I am deffo using it

[Offcast]

DeadlyHaven thank u :]

[SpaceinMind]

I haven't been around here for awhile. I'm glad to see the Joker love still strong. I am confident that we will get the Jokermance....must remain optimistic.

[RhiPanda]

Being optimistic is what we all do best

[IdRatherBeSleeping]

 I am with most by saying Joker definitely didn't do anything wrong. As stated before he had to maneuver the ship so that the escape pods could get away. If he had just left, most people on board and escaping would have died. Yeah he was stubborn and was reluctant to obey orders, but as Victia said " [P]art of being in management or command is knowing that those who work 'under' you know how to do their jobs better than you do . . . "

To build on this, if everyone always obeyed without question things would be a wreck. Blind obedience is an awful trait to have as human being. When a person just follows orders, eventually, they forget how to think for themselves. Most people are smarter than they look, give them chance. A commanding officer might be dumber than they look. You would hope they know better, but there is a chain of people promoting and demoting people and who says anyone is qualified to judge the worth of anyone one person. Evaluate each person as an individual and know what they are capable of, and make decisions then, rather than making assumptions. Assume nothing, question everything. While I feel thinking freely and letting others what your thoughts are important, the people lower in the chain of command should be evaluating the judgements of their superiors.

Joker thought he knew best and went for it, showing initiative. I think that is a possitive trait. 

(Appologizing now for the wall of text, but it bumps us to the front page again right? I had a thought in my head and when that happens I end up going into tangents.)

[suprhomre]

 Banging Joker is like banging my brother so NO! This is a bad isea.